Game of Thrones Thread

[No creativity]

It all led up to this.

All the politics, intrigue and murder culminated in the every contender to the throne except team Cersei and team Daenerys dying so they could turn the show into the Good, the Bad and the Zombies.
Margaery, the High Sparrow and Littlefinger getting ignominiously killed off because politics are boring, amirite?

All of this just so that they could have a 90 minutes long medieval men vs spooky monsters battle that you can't even fucking see because of how dark it is and still isn't as good as the one in a movie from 2002.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Spoiler

At least Bear Loli went out like a boss and Jorah dies saving Danerys but Arya suddenly materializing behind the Night King to knife him was a real wtf moment and totally not in a good way.

Also unhappy the way Mel went out. she could have at least done her magic and bring back Jon's dragon but no, she takes off the magic choker, her clothes and its goodnight nurse.

Is the character supposed to be 10? Because the actress is 15.

Bella Ramsey is fifteen but I remember Stannis showing Jon her letter at the Nights Watch castle saying something like Look at what this ten year old girl wrote when I told House Mormont to bend the knee; it was The North Knows no King but the King In The North and his name is STARK. It's also the scene where Stannis offers to legitimize Jon and name him head of House Stark in return for his support but Jon turns him down.

Spoiler

RIP Bear Loli fuck that zombie ice giant

 

[darkhorse816]

It all led up to this.

All the politics, intrigue and murder culminated in the every contender to the throne except team Cersei and team Daenerys dying so they could turn the show into the Good, the Bad and the Zombies.
Margaery, the High Sparrow and Littlefinger getting ignominiously killed off because politics are boring, amirite?

All of this just so that they could have a 90 minutes long medieval men vs spooky monsters battle that you can't even fucking see because of how dark it is and still isn't as good as the one in a movie from 2002.

It's the Game of Thrones, you win or you die. These houses, people, they played the game and lost. The person who coined the phrase was Cersei. Since she was a child, after hearing her fortune, she started playing the game. She has been winning. She defeated Ned, Margaery, the High Sparrow, anyone who tried to take her place because she is ruthless, she doesn't care what people think about her. Ned cared about honor, Margaery cared about her family and her public image (in more of a diplomatic way, like giving food to poor people), and the High Sparrow thought he won the day Tommen merged the faith with the crown. She will do anything to avoid her fate and get what she wants. Being the Queen forever, with no prettier queen to take her place. Like a lot of games, people get eliminated, teams get eliminated. So it's down to these two teams.

There's still going to be politics at play. We don't know how the North is going to react after the Long Night. For example, in last week's episode, Theon came back specifically for the Starks, not Daenerys. Dany was shocked. We don't know how many of the Dothraki and Unsullied have been left alive vs the Wildings, Knights of the Vale, and armies from Northern houses. This battle should not magically fuse these two factions together.

Spoiler

It might have been a smart move having Arya be the person to kill the Night King. It makes Dany and Jon question why they are here. Dany didn't stop the threat and get her big hero moment to endear the North and the Vale to her, and Jon is questioning why he was brought back to life. Should he take the throne? Is that his purpose? And has the Prince(ss) that was Promised prophecy fulfilled or is it referring to a different long night (like Cersei taking Wildfire up to the next level, Qyburn creating an undead army, or creating more Franken-soldiers)

 

[StarkRavingMad]

This is worse. Last Jedi had a shit setup with Abrams' mystery boxes and generic bullshit. GoT had the best possible setup you could ask for and squandered it all.

You're completely right.

It blows my mind how much they fucked it up. I mean, in my opinion, the show hasn't been up to par of the beginning since The Purple Wedding, but damn.

They are seriously appealing to the lowest common denominator with this. God damn it.

Spoiler

At least Bear Loli went out like a boss and Jorah dies saving Danerys but Arya suddenly materializing behind the Night King to knife him was a real wtf moment and totally not in a good way.

Also unhappy the way Mel went out. she could have at least done her magic and bring back Jon's dragon but no, she takes off the magic choker, her clothes and its goodnight nurse.

Apparently Melisandre's "true destiny" and "ultimate purpose" was to give Arya a pep talk.

The fuck.

 

[Judge Holden]

It's the Game of Thrones, you win or you die. These houses, people, they played the game and lost. The person who coined the phrase was Cersei. Since she was a child, after hearing her fortune, she started playing the game. She has been winning. She defeated Ned, Margaery, the High Sparrow, anyone who tried to take her place because she is ruthless, she doesn't care what people think about her. Ned cared about honor, Margaery cared about her family and her public image (in more of a diplomatic way, like giving food to poor people), and the High Sparrow thought he won the day Tommen merged the faith with the crown. She will do anything to avoid her fate and get what she wants. Being the Queen forever, with no prettier queen to take her place. Like a lot of games, people get eliminated, teams get eliminated. So it's down to these two teams.

Thing is though, melodrama spurred on by a smug cartoonishly evil idiot who only retains leadership and power through author fiat against all previous in-universe logic is the kinda shit that should never have taken any narrative priority over what in universe is an absolute game changing apocalyptic event unless this plotline winds up tying in to the larger one in some way.

There's still going to be politics at play. We don't know how the North is going to react after the Long Night. For example, in last week's episode, Theon came back specifically for the Starks, not Daenerys. Dany was shocked. We don't know how many of the Dothraki and Unsullied have been left alive vs the Wildings, Knights of the Vale, and armies from Northern houses. This battle should not magically fuse these two factions together.

Yeah........Im gonna guess we are going to see none of that. The battle will have magically fused these two factions together and there will be no conflict ever again other than this guy occasionally harumphing.

- A Dothraki Horde? This is most undignified! -

Spoiler

It might have been a smart move having Arya be the person to kill the Night King. It makes Dany and Jon question why they are here. Dany didn't stop the threat and get her big hero moment to endear the North and the Vale to her, and Jon is questioning why he was brought back to life. Should he take the throne? Is that his purpose? And has the Prince(ss) that was Promised prophecy fulfilled or is it referring to a different long night (like Cersei taking Wildfire up to the next level, Qyburn creating an undead army, or creating more Franken-soldiers)

Ah yes. Now the boring ass "thousands of years old threat from eldritch frost demons/elves and their armies of undead with mysterious motives and who are spoken of in legends across the world" pettyness is out the way we can finally go back to Emilia Clark attempting to act while babbling about thrones and wheels

 

[Spatula]

Holy shit this show is trash.

 

[Judge Holden]

Also fellas I have just had another depressing realisation.

Even with this absolute fuckfest of a story, the series could still have been slightly salvaged had the hack frauds in charge just followed an easily included plotline and character from the books.

Euron Greyjoy. The Book Version.

Seriously. In the books he is not only depicted as a Ramsay Bolton tier sadist and monster but with far more intelligence and competence to the point of having a plan and the means to enslave Danys dragons for himself, he is increasingly hinted and then flat out shown in the latest exerpts from Winds of Winter to be deeply involved with the darker eldritch and lovecraftian shit that riddles the background lore and is steadily becoming more prominent in series, and he is actively planning something that involves mass slaughter-sacrificing a fucktunne of priests and magic users including nyarlathotep cultists and warlocks and such in order to become a god.

If there was ever going to be a force that takes advantage of the return of the white walkers in order to gain more power both figurative and literal and become the ultimate antagonist of the series then it would be him.

Instead we just have....this.

- FINGA IN DA BUMMMMMMM!!! -

 

[StarkRavingMad]

So here's the thing:

Cersei is my favorite character ... Or was (though I don't really care about anybody at this point). Her taking down the High Sparrow was fantastic, I thought ... But since then, they've just made her cartoonishly evil. The intriguing things about her are gone. The actress is still doing a good job in the role, but the way she's written is just ... No longer interesting. She's turned into a one-note character.

It is so damn predictable and underwhelming that the final showdown will be at King's Landing.

 

[Commander X]

A recent but relevant edit

 

[Judge Holden]

So here's the thing:

Cersei is my favorite character ... Or was (though I don't really care about anybody at this point). Her taking down the High Sparrow was fantastic, I thought ... But since then, they've just made her cartoonishly evil. The intriguing things about her are gone. The actress is still doing a good job in the role, but the way she's written is just ... No longer interesting. She's turned into a one-note character.

It is so damn predictable and underwhelming that the final showdown will be at King's Landing.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Her trying to use all her every political guile and it either failing or backfiring, only to then use a piece of information she had horded for years to wipe out her enemies with pure trickery and brute force was something that actually felt halfway earned in terms of narrative....unfortunately immediately after this everything went to shit as she turned into a soulless cackling villain.

Frankly they should have kept Tommen alive as both her puppet king and her main humanising element since her love for her children has been probably the most integral part of her character since Season 1, all while he despises her for what she did and she slowly realises that even having ultimate power, all her enemies dead or worse, and everything else she has always wanted has not given her the happy ending she needed.

Really fucking basic narrative I know, but at least its not "MWAHAHAHAHA I LIKE SKINNING PUPPIES!" bullshit. And hell if she remains atleast somewhat humanised and sympathetic then people actually have some stake in how she deals with the oncoming zombie apocalypse and the fact she is insanely outmatched by the prophesied "younger more beautiful queen" she has always feared

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Her trying to use all her every political guile and it either failing or backfiring, only to then use a piece of information she had horded for years to wipe out her enemies with pure trickery brute force was something that actually felt halfway earned in terms of narrative....unfortunately immediately after this everything went to shit as she turned into a soulless cackling villain.

Frankly they should have kept Tommen alive as both her puppet king and her main humanising element since her love for her children has been probably the most integral part of her character since Season 1, all while he despises her for what she did and she slowly realises that even having ultimate power, all her enemies dead, and everything else she has always wanted has not given her the happy ending she needed.

Really fucking basic narrative I know, but at least its not "MWAHAHAHAHA I LIKE SKINNING PUPPIES!" bullshit. And hell if she remains atleast somewhat humanised and sympathetic then people actually have some stake in how she deals with the oncoming zombie apocalypse and the fact she is insanely outmatched by the prophesied "younger more beautiful queen" she has always feared

Agreed.

Cersei has always been smart and conniving-- she's learned from the best (Tywin), after all. I wouldn't call her a genius though ... Nor would I call her a dumbass. The problem with her right now, though, is that she is making really dumbass choices because "Mwahahaha I'm eeeevvvvilllll!" and yet everything is still going according to plan for her. The Battle of Winterfell went exactly as she wanted: She doesn't have to worry about the Dead, and the other armies have dwindled considerably ... But that wasn't at all because of strategy on her part; it happened because the plot deemed it so. SO lazy!

I've always told people that Cersei Lannister and Catelyn Stark share a LOT of similarites in terms of the personalities (and people say I'm nuts, but I digress lol). The one difference between them, though, is Cersei's intellect. That's why she's still alive, and why dumbass Catelyn got herself and lots of her family killed, lol. However, the decisions that Cersei's making now ... She would have been dead early on in Season 7 if the writers were aware of how dumb her choices have been!

 

[DapperShark]

Also fellas I have just had another depressing realisation.

Even with this absolute fuckfest of a story, the series could still have been slightly salvaged had the hack frauds in charge just followed an easily included plotline and character from the books.

Euron Greyjoy. The Book Version.

Seriously. In the books he is not only depicted as a Ramsay Bolton tier sadist and monster but with far more intelligence and competence to the point of having a plan and the means to enslave Danys dragons for himself, he is increasingly hinted and then flat out shown in the latest exerpts from Winds of Winter to be deeply involved with the darker eldritch and lovecraftian shit that riddles the background lore and is steadily becoming more prominent in series, and he is actively planning something that involves mass slaughter-sacrificing a fucktunne of priests and magic users including nyarlathotep cultists and warlocks and such in order to become a god.

If there was ever going to be a force that takes advantage of the return of the white walkers in order to gain more power both figurative and literal and become the ultimate antagonist of the series then it would be him.

Instead we just have....this.

- FINGA IN DA BUMMMMMMM!!! -

He who shall feast before the fall of Night and rise from the graves and the charnel pits to become a new god, yeah Euron is fucking terrifying in the books and it's a travesty that the show just turned him into the average Ironborn meathead. I still hold hope he'll actually act like the Crow's Eye before the show's over

 

[Judge Holden]

Agreed.

Cersei has always been smart and conniving-- she's learned from the best (Tywin), after all. I wouldn't call her a genius though ... Nor would I call her a dumbass. The problem with her right now, though, is that she is making really dumbass choices because "Mwahahaha I'm eeeevvvvilllll!" and yet everything is still going according to plan for her. The Battle of Winterfell went exactly as she wanted: She doesn't have to worry about the Dead, and the other armies have dwindled considerably ... But that wasn't at all because of strategy on her part; it happened because the plot deemed it so. SO lazy!

I've always told people that Cersei Lannister and Catelyn Stark share a LOT of similarites in terms of the personalities (and people say I'm nuts, but I digress lol). The one difference between them, though, is Cersei's intellect. That's why she's still alive, and why dumbass Catelyn got herself and lots of her family killed, lol. However, the decisions that Cersei's making now ... She would have been dead early on in Season 7 if the writers were aware of how dumb her choices have been!

She has what Tywin would call "low cunning" which is fairly fitting given how she presumes to be his successor despite this being her only real gift, while Tywins despised son whose intellect he dismissed as "low cunning" was actually the true inheritor of his intelligence and understanding. She can gain an immidiate short-medium term advantage while utterly crippling herself long term while Tyrion's plans unfold and reap rewards in the long term.

Well...thats how it should be. Instead Tyrion is now a retard and Cersei has an I-Win button so everything goes right for her because shut up.

 

[Spatula]

Shit, why doesn't Arya just sneak in Kings Landing.
What is the point anymore? Everyone now know she is the best ninja in history. Why risk additional lives and resources to keep another war going?

Spoiler: spoiler

So you want me to believe, a mythical frost man does not die from direct dragon fire blown in his face, but dies from a 150cm girl jumping with a dagger?

 

[Judge Holden]

Shit, why doesn't Arya just sneak in Kings Landing.
What is the point anymore? Everyone now know she is the best ninja in history. Why risk additional lives and resources to keep another war going?

Team "outmatched underdogs" over here has a dragon, an autistic all knowing wizard, the ultimate fedora ninja, and every last piece of plot armour left in the series alongside the loyalty of like five or six of the seven kingdoms*.

Team "mwahahahaha we are totally a credible endgame villain who are easily outmatching the heroes" has douchebag pirates, some sketchy mercenaries, and a decided lack of elephants.

Somehow I am not feeling much tension

*oh yeah and they also have fucking Mereen on speed dial if they want to get reinforcements but im guessing Essos has been entirely forgotten at this point

 

[CWCissey]

Spoiler: Fuck this

No wonder they called it the Long Night, I can't see shit!
Wasted opportunity for a cool long shot where it goes between the characters as they prepare.
Dumbfuck tactics (why send your cavalry against a fucking horde?) What are the dragons doing?
This is some World War Z shit
THE NIGHT KING IS A CONSOLE COMMAND SPAWN CAMPING NIGGER
Stop with this 'OH NOES, YOUR FAVOURITE CHARACTER IS IN PERIL!' crap!
Good Lord, they're killing off the regulars, but don't have the balls to kill one of the majors. Get Sansa at least!
Ugh, Jon's fighting a Dark Souls boss.
ARYA? FUCKING ARYA KILLED THE NIGHT KING WITH ONE SHOT? PISS OFF! SEVEN SEASONS OF SETTING UP THE NIGHT KING AS JON'S NEMESIS AND YOU HAVE FUCKING ARYA YEET HIM AT THE LAST MINUTE OUT OF FUCKING NOWHERE? THE WRITERS ARE HACKS. CON-FUCKING-FIRMED.
F to Dolorous Edd, Lyanna Mormont, Beric Dondarrion, Theon Greyjoy, Ser Friendzone, Melisandre. Cersei had better up her villain game.

 

[Judge Holden]

Honestly after thinking things through Im actually kinda hyped for the promised CleganeBowl

Seriously just imagine seeing the undead mountain striding down the steps of a burning Red Keep to face his vengeful brother for a final time.....

...only to slip on some banana peel on the second step and then spend a minute falling down the stairs, breaking every bone in his body as his full plate armour clangs loudly against the steps, only stopping after colliding with a dragonglass rake on the last step that thwacks him in the face and leaving him a bleeding, sobbing mess on the floor.

Before Sandor can deliver the killing blow he gets thrown out the window by the truck of a hidden elephant, allowing Hot Pie to emerge from the shadows and use his valyrian steel butterknife to finish off his old nemesis.

Hell this scenario would arguably make more sense than what we got last night, since unlike Arya and the Night King, Hot Pie actually had some vague narrative link to Gregor Clegane given the fact the mountain once made him piss himself in fear

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

I didn't mind it. The show has been going on for so fucking long I forgot the NK was even a threat for a few seasons. Half the books released are substories and plots not to do with the main storyline, so of course they have to leave out a lot of shit for the TV show. It's the biggest TV undertaking in history and it's got 6 episodes to conclude 8 seasons in a show built upon small intimate relationships.

The only crime is how the pawn of the children of the forest died and disappeared so easily. All those corpse circles and possible secret deals between the Children and the Starks etc. I hope it gets explained at some point to not just make the NK a big baddie for no real reason. He didn't need a grand death or anything, they just need to explain why he exists at all before the show ends.

Clegane bowl + Cersei getting fucked, possible elephants and Ghost apparently being in the next episode is pretty good. I'm no book sperg and haven't given a shit about GoT in years, but I found this episode reigniting.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

So I’ve never watched GoT, but from what I’m gathering from all this is that it was just a really bad version of this?

Spoiler

 

[Jub-Jub]

8 seasons of build up for that...

Spoiler: Battle plan

Who the fuck thought up that battle plan? ASOIAF is supposed to be based off of the War of the Roses right, so roughly late 1400s. Why are tactics that were common in Caeser's time being ignored?

Seriously, shit even i could tell was wrong:

• Cavalry charge against an (in essence) immovable wall
• Trebuchets vs mobile army and no catapults / onagers instead
• Siege in front of shield/spear wall
• Palisades and ditch behind shield wall
• Not using: cav / dragons for flanks / sweeps, spears to defend walls, catapults while enemy stands still waiting

Spoiler: other laughable moments

The whole Arya hides in the library seemed cut out of another episode and wholly out of place, teleports from under the desk. Berrick stabbed 20 times in Christ position only to be 5 feet behind Arya and the hound. Teleports behind you, NK goes out like a bitch. Shot of Theon and crew firing arrows at a horde 5 feet from them and not being overrun, Lyanna Mormont killing the giant.

I hope GRRM is happy with his millions and being such a lazy fuck as this is how his story goes down in history (and he'll never complete his book for the true ending)