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Zero0
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Take it with a grain of salt, there's a good chance they would record multiple endings to prevent leaks.
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I'm just remembering the leak that dropped several months before season 7, which literally got every single point of the season correct, save only...
... that Cersei's pregnancy ended in a miscarriage, which could still happen and might have been filmed but not used. Speaking of which, what does he predict happens to her?
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What I have seen will haunt me until I live.
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I know it's a bit pointless, but I feel it's cathartic to share my thoughts on what could have been done different and better.
The main issues are that Arya essentially hijacks Jon's plot by killing the NK, but even so, the timing and handling of the kill itself are shit and none of the other characters really did anything important in the entire episode. Also, don't make the commanders plan their battle like mouthbreathers ffs.
The Night King is literally an avalanche that will swallow all of Westeros and Essos, no matter who sits on the throne.
Jon Snow's story is all about this, when he sends a letter to Ramsay in Winterfell to ask for help.
When he decides to let the Wildlings into the Kingdom.
It's the lesson that he learned, that he dies trying to uphold. The thing that he still adheres to after being brought back to life.
I usually appreciate attempts to be clever and atmospheric about the lighting, but in this case, I could never tell what was going on and a few neat visuals aside, my overall opinion regarding the cinematography is that it was atrocious. 2 or 3 neat scenes do not salvage this, when all the rest is just brown blurs in the darkness.
The main issues are that Arya essentially hijacks Jon's plot by killing the NK, but even so, the timing and handling of the kill itself are shit and none of the other characters really did anything important in the entire episode. Also, don't make the commanders plan their battle like mouthbreathers ffs.
First is easy to fix: Have Jon be the most important character to confront the NK. He doesn't have to deal the killing blow himself, but he should be the one that has the biggest part.
Second is also pretty easy: Resolve Cersei's Iron Throne plot in Season 7.
Third:
You can sum up absolutely everybody's actions in this Episode with "They fight the Undead in Winterfell and get swarmed"... this is such a big problem that it even applies to those in the crypt. Those that die only get a small addendum, which boils down to "And then the character gets killed by [thing]."
Every character needs something unique to do and to achieve in this episode. There has to be a point why everyone is in Winterfell for this fight. If their place can be taken by random nameless strangers without any change, that is bad.
And lastly:
The planning for the battle shouldn't be this illogical and nonsensical. Quite the opposite, if you want to show how insanely screwed the protagonists are, you have to show that all they planned works perfectly, but it's still futile since the numbers of the enemy just make any success almost meaningless.
The beginning should be bonfires our in the open, where you can see hordes of undead stream past. Then the Trebuchets fire and obliterate dozens and dozens of Undead with every hit. Show the effects of the hits in a closeup, then draw back the camera to reveal that even with the effectiveness of the pitch-projectiles and the number of hits the trebuchets score, the size of the Undead is still so insanely bug that it hardly matters. Similarly, the scene where the Dothraki get their Araks ignited and they charge the enemy should be a flanking maneuver once the Undead have reached the Unsullied. It would carry a larger "oomph" when we see how they cleave through the enemies (with people on Winterfell's ramparts cheering as they watch) just to see the attack falter the way we saw in the actual episode. This would be much more effective, since the reaction goes from "They really kick the Undead's asses..." to "... but it still isn't nearly enough!"
As I said, the Army of the Undead is huge. So huge, that they don't care if they lose thousands. They do not care about themselves. They'll just jump into a moat until it's full enough that the others can cross on their crushed bodies. They will cling to a wall until their bodies form a ramp that the others can climb onto. They are less like an Army and more like an relentless, endless wave of bodies.
That means, the strategy that our protagonists choose should be shown to be very smart, highly effective... and yet utterly futile due to the sheer number of opponents.
As for individual characters, since we don't have many episodes left, this might be a good moment to resolve a few of the individual plots and ffs give them something to do in this episode!
A few quick ideas:
Bran: Make his warging have an effect.
All of Winterfell is engulfed in the unholy blizzard, the Undead approach the Godwood. Bran wargs away, with a murder of crows starting from the branches of the Weirwood, starting to circle around it in ever bigger circles. Eventually, the storm subsides in that area. Undead that try to enter it topple over and stop moving (Bran is essentially creating a place they can't enter similar to what the Children of the Forest did in their cave). The White Walkers, however, are powerful enough to enter, they proceed.
Theon: Ever since his time as "Reek" he ran away instead of fighting. Show his progress by him choosing to fight to the death in the Godswood.
So, he's protecting Bran like in the original episode, however before the fight, it's established that there is a door or passageway that can be used to escape. When the White Walkers approach, they kill off the Ironborn Archers. Theon looks towards the escape route, towards Bran, then makes his decision to not abondon Bran and fights off the White Walkers with his spear. He manages to fend them off long enough until the rest of the main characters arrive. Theon is wounded mortally, but his stand against the White Walkers bought the others enough time to help defend Bran.
Samwell/Ed: Instead of awkwardly slapfighting the Undead, they should focus on defending the people in the crypt.
Pretty straightforward, Samwell and Ed see some Undeads making their way towards the entrance of the crypt, so they fend them off, hole up in the stairwell and hack to pieces every Zombie that gets too close. After all, they are the shields that guard the realms of men.
Jaime: He wants redemption for his bad deeds and to regain his lost honor.
This is a bit out there, I'll admit, but I think a scene where Jaime saves Dany from the Undead Dragon would be interesting and it could have a neat payoff.
Basically, Dany gets seperated from Drogon and is attacked by the Undead dragon. Jaime sees this, grabs a spear with Dragon Glass on the tip, charges in there and stabs the dragon, just as it's readying itself to spit its blue fire.
Later, during the epilogue of the show, we see that Dany puts a white cloak on Jaime's shoulders as he's kneeling in front of her on the steps of the Red Keep. Dany says something along the lines of "Now stand up, Lordcommander of the King's Guard, Sir Jaime Lanister - the Dragonslayer".
I know, it's kind of cheesy, but I feel giving Jaime the title of Dragonslayer and making him sort of a hero of the people would be a nice end for his character arc.
Add and mix with character deaths as appropriate or needed.
Second is also pretty easy: Resolve Cersei's Iron Throne plot in Season 7.
Third:
You can sum up absolutely everybody's actions in this Episode with "They fight the Undead in Winterfell and get swarmed"... this is such a big problem that it even applies to those in the crypt. Those that die only get a small addendum, which boils down to "And then the character gets killed by [thing]."
Every character needs something unique to do and to achieve in this episode. There has to be a point why everyone is in Winterfell for this fight. If their place can be taken by random nameless strangers without any change, that is bad.
And lastly:
The planning for the battle shouldn't be this illogical and nonsensical. Quite the opposite, if you want to show how insanely screwed the protagonists are, you have to show that all they planned works perfectly, but it's still futile since the numbers of the enemy just make any success almost meaningless.
The beginning should be bonfires our in the open, where you can see hordes of undead stream past. Then the Trebuchets fire and obliterate dozens and dozens of Undead with every hit. Show the effects of the hits in a closeup, then draw back the camera to reveal that even with the effectiveness of the pitch-projectiles and the number of hits the trebuchets score, the size of the Undead is still so insanely bug that it hardly matters. Similarly, the scene where the Dothraki get their Araks ignited and they charge the enemy should be a flanking maneuver once the Undead have reached the Unsullied. It would carry a larger "oomph" when we see how they cleave through the enemies (with people on Winterfell's ramparts cheering as they watch) just to see the attack falter the way we saw in the actual episode. This would be much more effective, since the reaction goes from "They really kick the Undead's asses..." to "... but it still isn't nearly enough!"
As I said, the Army of the Undead is huge. So huge, that they don't care if they lose thousands. They do not care about themselves. They'll just jump into a moat until it's full enough that the others can cross on their crushed bodies. They will cling to a wall until their bodies form a ramp that the others can climb onto. They are less like an Army and more like an relentless, endless wave of bodies.
That means, the strategy that our protagonists choose should be shown to be very smart, highly effective... and yet utterly futile due to the sheer number of opponents.
As for individual characters, since we don't have many episodes left, this might be a good moment to resolve a few of the individual plots and ffs give them something to do in this episode!
A few quick ideas:
Bran: Make his warging have an effect.
All of Winterfell is engulfed in the unholy blizzard, the Undead approach the Godwood. Bran wargs away, with a murder of crows starting from the branches of the Weirwood, starting to circle around it in ever bigger circles. Eventually, the storm subsides in that area. Undead that try to enter it topple over and stop moving (Bran is essentially creating a place they can't enter similar to what the Children of the Forest did in their cave). The White Walkers, however, are powerful enough to enter, they proceed.
Theon: Ever since his time as "Reek" he ran away instead of fighting. Show his progress by him choosing to fight to the death in the Godswood.
So, he's protecting Bran like in the original episode, however before the fight, it's established that there is a door or passageway that can be used to escape. When the White Walkers approach, they kill off the Ironborn Archers. Theon looks towards the escape route, towards Bran, then makes his decision to not abondon Bran and fights off the White Walkers with his spear. He manages to fend them off long enough until the rest of the main characters arrive. Theon is wounded mortally, but his stand against the White Walkers bought the others enough time to help defend Bran.
Samwell/Ed: Instead of awkwardly slapfighting the Undead, they should focus on defending the people in the crypt.
Pretty straightforward, Samwell and Ed see some Undeads making their way towards the entrance of the crypt, so they fend them off, hole up in the stairwell and hack to pieces every Zombie that gets too close. After all, they are the shields that guard the realms of men.
Jaime: He wants redemption for his bad deeds and to regain his lost honor.
This is a bit out there, I'll admit, but I think a scene where Jaime saves Dany from the Undead Dragon would be interesting and it could have a neat payoff.
Basically, Dany gets seperated from Drogon and is attacked by the Undead dragon. Jaime sees this, grabs a spear with Dragon Glass on the tip, charges in there and stabs the dragon, just as it's readying itself to spit its blue fire.
Later, during the epilogue of the show, we see that Dany puts a white cloak on Jaime's shoulders as he's kneeling in front of her on the steps of the Red Keep. Dany says something along the lines of "Now stand up, Lordcommander of the King's Guard, Sir Jaime Lanister - the Dragonslayer".
I know, it's kind of cheesy, but I feel giving Jaime the title of Dragonslayer and making him sort of a hero of the people would be a nice end for his character arc.
Add and mix with character deaths as appropriate or needed.
And here I thought it couldn't get any worse. But I have to say, the showmakers inability to convey that Dany wasn't supposed to attack the Undead and did so out of anger is a new level of incompetence.
This is exactly what I feared would happen to me. The quick and unceremonious end of the NK (as well as pretty much just being a pointless b-plot in this show, now) means that it retroactively taints all scenes that pertain to this entire subplot. It undermines the basic idea of the entire story. You can't put a bandaid on that.
This is exactly the opposite of what ASOIAF is about. The point is that squabbling over thrones, ranks, money, power and so on are irrelevant, since there is a threat looming over everyone that can't be avoided, it can't be reasoned with.
The Night King is literally an avalanche that will swallow all of Westeros and Essos, no matter who sits on the throne.
Jon Snow's story is all about this, when he sends a letter to Ramsay in Winterfell to ask for help.
When he decides to let the Wildlings into the Kingdom.
It's the lesson that he learned, that he dies trying to uphold. The thing that he still adheres to after being brought back to life.
I watched the episode with a few friends in a completely dark room, with a video projector. We couldn't see shit, despite the darkness in the room and the size of the picture.
I usually appreciate attempts to be clever and atmospheric about the lighting, but in this case, I could never tell what was going on and a few neat visuals aside, my overall opinion regarding the cinematography is that it was atrocious. 2 or 3 neat scenes do not salvage this, when all the rest is just brown blurs in the darkness.
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After the battle in kings landing cersei runs to the crypts where jamie and and tyrion met last season, the whole thing starts to crumble, so possibly crushed to death? But I don't think he said that she died from this so idk
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I mean the posts are up there, but this person is a moron and is often a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian. They think Sansa should be the main character of the whole series cause she's their waifu and Arya makes them BLARMS levels of angry bc initially she competed with Sansa, so...
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See also: Snoke. I enjoyed TFA when it first came out, because derivative as it was, it felt like Star Wars had at least remembered what made it great, and was trying to get back there albeit in the safest, most derivative way possible. Then TLJ happened, and watching TFA again, I just have this looming feeling of dread knowing how all these plot points and character arcs (well, character arc- Finn's) are going to go up in a puff of smoke. There's no way of un-ringing that particular bell, since no matter how good any subsequent fixes are, that crushing disappointment and disillusionment can't really un-happen. Psychology just doesn't work that way.
And, like TLJ, we're at a point where virtually every fan theory is/was better than what they actually went with, which makes the letdown just that much more poignant; if they'd written their way into a corner and there was no non-bullshit way out, people would have accepted it (albeit grudgingly.) However, they had all the pieces in place for a great escalation and/or climax, and instead they just colossally shit the bed in a damp squib of an anticlimax.
"Of all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest of these: 'it might have been.'"
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You'll be thrilled to know the punchable little shit behind that disaster couldn't restrain himself from chirping up about this disaster and fan reaction:
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See, the funny thing is, even if people stick around with GoT, just to see how it ends, they will still keep this in mind once another show rolls around by the same guys. I, for one, do not drop a show lightly, and if I do, I take a long hard look at whoever made it and you can bet that these assholes will never again get a chance to waste my time like this and they certainly don't get any kind of pre-emptive trust.
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Jesus, I wish I could be so easily entertained.
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We fought the wrong enemy.
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I get the feeling you'd get an equally strong reaction to a video of jangling keys from these guys. I don't know if one really wants to lower the bar that far.
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You'd be happier if you did.
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Dude Arya Stark being flown in by a flock of Wyverns while Led Zeppelin’s Immigrant Song plays would be awesome.
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Also going by the princess tropes of
Can talk to animals
Routinely Kidnapped
Lusted after by evil king
Can't do anything without a man helping
Has magical powers
sits by and does nothing when fighting breaks out
Has a tragic childhood
Bran is the ultimate princess
Can talk to animals
Routinely Kidnapped
Lusted after by evil king
Can't do anything without a man helping
Has magical powers
sits by and does nothing when fighting breaks out
Has a tragic childhood
Bran is the ultimate princess