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You'd think so. But you'd be wrong. In Shane's defense, I may have advised him to eat a shoe at some point.

How does a website in Canada "specifically market to Texas"?

I'm all for dragging these lying assholes into court. But you may have to go to Canada to actually do that.

Maybe you could reach the Texans in Texas? And then you have to prove they were the source. What's the opposite of prima facie?

AnOminous linked to an appeal last night which explores the various ways in which jurisdiction can be established. The four cases they use to explore the question are really worth reading even if you don't read how they affected the court's decision in the case being appealed.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=7963287021326394207&hl=en&as_sdt=6&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr
 
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WTF. Is this how their delusion spreads? One of them pulls out something out of their ass and everyone goes along with it as an infallible fact? I'm guessing Ty Beard is ProJared's attorney the the next thing we're going with.
 
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The court never found itself to lack jurisdiction and decided the case on the merits, which it wouldn't have done had it found it had no jurisdiction.
Sure, but it was in the original complaint. Somehow, I think his lawyer had solid ground here:

III.THE COURT LACKS PERSONAL JURISDICTION OVER DEFENDANT To establish personal jurisdiction over a nonresident defendant, a plaintiff must show that the forum state’s long-arm statute confers jurisdiction over the defendant and that the exercise of jurisdiction comports with constitutional principles of due process. Rio Props., Inc. v. Rio Int’l Interlink, 284 F.3d 1007, 1019 (9th Cir. 2002), citing Omeluk v. Langsten Slip & Batbyggeri A/S, 52 F.3d 267, 269 (9th Cir. 1995). Arizona’s long-arm statute allows the exercise of personal jurisdiction to the same extent as the U.S. Constitution. See Ariz. R. Civ. Proc. 4.2(a); Cybersell, Inc. v. Cybersell, Inc., 130 F.3d 414, 416 (9th Cir. 1997); A. Uberti & C. v. Leonardo, 892 P.2d 1354, 1358 (Ariz. 1995). Thus, a court in Arizona may exercise personal jurisdiction over a nonresident defendant as long as doing so accords with constitutional principles of due process. Id.“The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment operates to limit the power of a State to assert in personam jurisdiction over a nonresident defendant.” Helicopteros Nacionales de Colombia, S.A. v. Hall, 466 U.S. 408, 414-15 (1984) (citation omitted). If a court determines that a defendant’s contacts with the forum state are sufficient to satisfy the Due Process Clause, then the court may exercise either “general” or “specific” jurisdiction over an out-of-state defendant. Boschetto v. Hansing, 539 F.3d 1011, 1016 (9th Cir. 2008). General jurisdiction refers to the authority of a court to exercise jurisdiction even where the cause of action is unrelated to the defendant’s contacts with the forum. Helicopteros, 466 U.S. at 414 n.9. Specific jurisdiction exists when a suit arises out of, or is related to, the defendant’s contacts with the forum. Id. at 414 n.8.

A.The Court Does Not Have General Jurisdiction over Defendant A court may assert general jurisdiction over a defendant if the defendant’s activities in the state are substantial or continuous and systematic, even if the cause of action is unrelated to those activities. Doe v. American Nat’l Red Cross, 112 F.3d 1048, 1050-51 (9th Cir. 1997), quotingHaisten v. Grass Valley Med. Reimbursement Fund, Ltd., 784 F.2d 1392, 1396 (9th Cir. 1986). Case 2:16-cv-00604-JJT Document 12 Filed 05/04/16 Page 9 of 28


-5- Here, there are no facts alleged supporting general jurisdiction over Mr. Stanton. Mr. Stanton is not engaged in any activities in Arizona that could be considered substantial or continuous and systematic. Mr. Stanton is a resident of Mississippi with his principal and only place of business in Brandon, Mississippi. (Id., ¶ 19.) Mr. Stanton does not conduct any business in Arizona. (Id., ¶ 20.) Mr. Stanton does not own real estate, personal property or other assets in Arizona. (Id., ¶ 21.) Mr. Stanton maintains no offices, employees, equipment, records, accounts, salespersons, or agents in Arizona. (Id., ¶ 22.) In fact, Mr. Stanton has never been to Arizona. (Id., ¶ 24.) Accordingly, Mr. Stanton does not have such continuous and systematic contacts with Arizona to be subject to general personal jurisdiction in this state. B.The Court Does Not Have Specific Jurisdiction over Defendant The Ninth Circuit applies a three-part test to determine whether the defendant’s contacts with the forum state are sufficient to subject him to the state’s specific jurisdiction. Under this three-part test, specific jurisdiction exists only if: (1) the defendant purposefully availed himself of the privileges of conducting activities in the forum, thereby invoking the benefits and protections of its laws, or purposely directs conduct at the forum that has effects in the forum; (2) the claim arises out of the defendant’s forum-related activities; and (3) the exercise of jurisdiction comports with fair play and substantial justice, i.e., it is reasonable. See. e.g., Bancroft & Masters, Inc. v. Augusta Nat’l Inc., 223 F.3d 1082, 1086 (9th Cir. 2000) (citingCybersell. Inc. v. Cybersell, Inc. 130 F.3d 414, 417 (9th Cir. 1997)). “The plaintiff bears the burden of satisfying the first two prongs of the test.” Id. If a plaintiff satisfies the first two burdens, “the burden then shifts to the defendant to present a compelling case that the exercise of jurisdiction would not be reasonable.” Id.Plaintiff has not satisfied the first two prongs of the test. In libel cases, the Supreme Court has held that a court may have specific jurisdiction over a defendant where the intended effects of the defendant’s non-forum conduct were purposely directed at and caused harm in the forum state. Calder v. Jones, 465 U.S. 783, 788-90, 104 S. Ct. 1482, 79 L. Ed. 2d 804 (1984). Under the Calder test, personal jurisdiction is based upon: “(1) intentional actions (2) expressly aimed at the forum state (3) causing harm, the brunt of which is suffered--and which Case 2:16-cv-00604-JJT Document 12 Filed 05/04/16 Page 10 of 28

-6- the defendant knows is likely to be suffered--in the forum state.” Core-Vent Corp. v. Nobel Indus. AB, 11 F.3d 1482, 1486 (9th Cir. 1993). To be clear, the focus is on the contacts the defendant has with the forum state itself, not with persons residing in the forum state. Plaintiff mistakenly focuses his personal jurisdiction allegations on the fact that Plaintiff resides in Arizona and, thus, Defendant should have known that any damage from alleged libelous statements would be felt by Plaintiff in Arizona. (Doc. 1, Compl, ¶ 2d.) However, the “effects test” is not this broad. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has observed that Calder“cannot stand for the broad proposition that a foreign act with foreseeable effects in the forum state always gives rise to specific [personal] jurisdiction.” Bancroft, 223 F.3d at 1087. Purposeful direction requires “something more” than mere foreseeability in order to justify the assertion of personal jurisdiction over the out-of-state defendant. Id.Tort-based personal jurisdiction was most recently addressed by the U.S. Supreme Court in Walden v. Fiore, 571 U.S. ___, 134 S. Ct. 1115, 2014 WL 700098 (2014). In Walden, a Georgia police officer searched plaintiffs in Georgia and seized a large amount of cash. Plaintiffs claimed that after they returned to their Nevada residence, Walden helped draft a false probable cause affidavit in support of forfeiture. No forfeiture complaint was ever filed and the funds were returned. Plaintiffs filed a tort suit against Walden in a Nevada District Court. The district court dismissed, finding that the Georgia search and seizure did not establish a basis for personal jurisdiction in Nevada, even though that is where the Plaintiffs lived. The Ninth Circuit reversed, reasoning that Walden submitted the affidavit with the knowledge that it would affect persons with significant Nevada connections. The Supreme Court reversed the Ninth Circuit. In a unanimous decision the Court found there was no jurisdiction in Nevada, holding that “the proper question is not where the plaintiff experienced a particular injury or effect but whether the defendant’s conduct connects him to the forum in a meaningful way.” Walden, 2014 WL 700098, at *7 (emphasis added). The Court relied on Calder and its precedent emphasizing the defendant’s connection to the forum, not the plaintiff’s, when considering whether specific jurisdiction may be asserted. For a state to exercise jurisdiction consistent with due process, a relationship must arise out of contacts Case 2:16-cv-00604-JJT Document 12 Filed 05/04/16 Page 11 of 28


-7- that the defendant himself created with the forum itself, not with persons residing there. The plaintiff cannot be the only link between the defendant and the forum. Rather, it is the defendant’s conduct that must form the necessary connection with the forum. See Burger King v. Rudzewicz, 471 U.S. 462, 478, 105 S. Ct. 2174, 85 L. Ed. 2d 528 (1985) (“If the question is whether an individual’s contract with an out-of-state party alone can automatically establish sufficient minimum contacts in the other party’s home forum, we believe the answer clearly is that it cannot”); Kulko v. Superior Court of Cal., City and County of San Francisco, 436 U. S. 84, 93, 98 S.Ct. 1690, 56 L.Ed.2d 132 (1978) (declining to “find personal jurisdiction in a State . . . merely because [the plaintiff in a child support action] was residing there”). Due process requires that a defendant be haled into court in a forum State based on his own affiliation with the State, not based on the “random, fortuitous, or attenuated” contacts he makes by interacting with other persons affiliated with the State. Burger King, 471 U. S. at 475 (internal quotation marks omitted); Walden, 2014 WL 700098, at *10. Like Walden, Mr. Stanton lacks the “minimal contacts” with Arizona supporting personal jurisdiction. None of the alleged wrongful conduct occurred in Arizona, and Mr. Stanton formed no jurisdictionally relevant contacts with Arizona. The Complaint alleges that “The Defendant sells merchandise which he profits from in the State of Arizona through online sale.” (Doc. 1, Compl. ¶ 2a.) It also is alleged that Defendant advertises his website “through his YouTube and other media outlets which is visible to viewers inside the State of Arizona and this advertisement and financial contact directly leads viewers in Arizona to the libelous statements involved in this case.” (Id. ¶ 2f). However, Mr. Stanton profits through online support donations (not “sales”) and nationwide advertising on the Internet in general. To establish specific jurisdiction, a defendant operating an interactive website must direct “something more” than just the website to the forum state. See Bancroft, 223 F.3d at 1087; see also George Kessel Int’l, Inc. v. Classic Wholesales, Inc., No. CV-07-323-PHX-SMM, 2007 WL 3208297, at *4 (D. Ariz. Oct. 30, 2007) (“An internet advertisement alone is insufficient to subject a party to jurisdiction in another state; there must be ‘something more’ to demonstrate that the defendant directed activity toward the forum state.” (citation omitted)). Additionally, Case 2:16-cv-00604-JJT Document 12 Filed 05/04/16 Page 12 of 28

-8- this lawsuit is not even related to the alleged forum-related activities of making online sales and receiving donations or support from Arizona residents. Plaintiff also asserts that Defendant purposefully availed himself of the privilege of doing business in Arizona by selling subscriptions to his services for minimum $1 per month, of which there are almost 4,000 subscribers, “some of which are in The State of Arizona causing continual periodic financial contact with the State.” (Doc. 1, Compl. ¶ 2b.) However, Mr. Stanton does not sell anything in Arizona or to the State of Arizona. He produces videos and articles in Mississippi and his audience can choose to donate to him on Patreon, a crowdfunding site for artists and creators. (See Exhibit A, ¶ 14.) This audience is worldwide and has no specific or majority basis in Arizona. (Id., ¶ 17.) Mr. Stanton’s business is supported entirely be crowd funding, meaning that individuals voluntarily elect to support Defendant’s business through donations. (Id., ¶ 13.) A donation is not required in order to access Mr. Stanton’s reviews, videos and online content. (Id., ¶ 15.) Mr. Stanton does not solicit donations from any particular state or jurisdiction and is not aware if individuals from the State of Arizona have or have not donated to support Mr. Stanton’s business. (Id., ¶ 16.) However, even if there are donors from Arizona or content viewers from Arizona, that does not constitute “something more” showing Mr. Stanton purposefully directed activity toward Arizona. Plaintiff has not shown that Mr. Stanton specifically targeted Arizona residents with his services, nor is the alleged (non-existent) $1.00 subscription fee enough to overcome the “something more” hurdle on its own, even if such subscriptions were the subject of the claims. Plaintiff also alleges “The Defendant has directed damaging statements at The Plaintiff causing in excess of $2,000,000 damages to the Plaintiff, an Arizona resident... The Defendant knew or should have known that the statements would cause damage and that such damage would occur in Arizona.” (Doc. 1, Compl.¶ 2d)2 However, as explained in Calder and Walden, the fact that Plaintiff is located in Arizona and that the “brunt of the harm” is felt by Plaintiff in Arizona is not sufficient to confer personal jurisdiction over Defendant. There is no 2 Plaintiff also cites 42 U.S.C. § 1985, Conspiracy to interfere with civil rights, which is a statute inapplicable to this case. Case 2:16-cv-00604-JJT Document 12 Filed 05/04/16 Page 13 of 28


-9- evidence that the alleged libelous statements were directed to the State of Arizona, as opposed to being directed at Plaintiff, who happens to reside in Arizona. While in Calder the events underlying the alleged libelous story occurred in California and the story was researched through California sources, here the alleged libel concerned DHS products that were distributed worldwide through Steam, an entity located in the State of Washington. (Exhibit A, ¶ 8.) It has not been alleged that DHS products reached Defendant other than through the ordinary stream of commerce. Unlike in Calder, therefore, the alleged libel cannot be seen as a comment on an Arizona event. Rather, it is a comment on video games made available by DHS worldwide on the Internet through Steam, a video game distribution service, including to Defendant’s home state of Mississippi and elsewhere. Moreover, while any article written in the National Enquirer might be directed at a California audience (as in Calder), here, by contrast, Defendant’s website and YouTube channel are available worldwide. It has not been alleged that Arizona was a primary audience for the commentary or that Defendant knew that Plaintiff lived in Arizona. Furthermore, unlike in Calder, it is unclear whether the brunt of the alleged harm has been suffered in Arizona. Calder involved alleged libel against an individual. This case involves an allegation of libel against a limited liability company in a suit that has wrongly been brought by an individual manager of that company. A limited liability company does not suffer harm in a particular geographic location in the same sense that an individual does. The harm from an allegedly libelous statement is not necessarily suffered in the place of incorporation or organization. Core-Vent, 11 F.3d at 1486, citing Casualty Assurance Risk Insurance Brokerage Co. v. Dillon, 976 F.2d 596, 599-600 (9th Cir. 1992). In summary, mere injury to an Arizona resident is not a sufficient connection to the forum for Mr. Stanton to be subject to personal jurisdiction in Arizona. The alleged injury occurred in Arizona simply because that is where plaintiff chose to reside. Arizona was not the focal point of the alleged injury or a location of harm foreseeable to Mr. Stanton and Mr. Stanton did not expressly aim the alleged defamatory statements at Arizona. See, e.g., Herman v. Cataphora, Inc., 730 F.3d 460, 465 (5th Cir. 2013) (no jurisdiction in Louisiana over a Case 2:16-cv-00604-JJT Document 12 Filed 05/04/16 Page 14 of 28


-10- California defendant where, even though the defendant knew plaintiffs engaged in some activity in Louisiana, he never mentioned Louisiana explicitly or implicitly in the article, nor did he refer to specific actions taken in Louisiana); see alsoClemens v. McNamee, 615 F.3d 374, 378-79 (5th Cir. 2010) (declining personal jurisdiction because, even though the defendant knew harm would result in Texas, Texas was not the focal point of the alleged defamatory statement). Because Arizona was not the focal point of the alleged libelous statements, Mr. Stanton is not subject to personal jurisdiction in Arizona.

So another example of a 'long arm statute.'

Being as he was a US resident at the time, this isn't relevant to suing ANN in Canada.

EDIT: added missing jargon. And a spoiler tag. Because god damn.
 
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WTF. Is this how their delusion spreads? One of them pulls out something out of their ass and everyone goes along with it as an infallible fact? I'm guessing Ty Beard is ProJared's attorney the the next thing we're going with.
You're forgetting that these autists are part of a hive mind. They are too fucking lazy to do anything that involves a minute or longer of thinking, research, consideration or really anything other than "o ya, u right, beard so screwed, marzgurl hawt, tiddies, ren did nothing wrong"

The ironic part is that almost no one is on Jared's side and they still try to lump us in like we haven't been roasting his ass for days.
 
EDIT: And, if I recall, there was an issue of Jurisdiction there too. Romine literally said his state had jurisdiction because he bought a shirt online. Which is exactly what I'm hearing here, re: "well I can view their website." That's an example of 'significant contact' that got laughed out of court.

Buying/Selling goods online to another state is actually a far better reason for jurisdiction then what ANN would be facing. There was an actual act of commerce. Money changed hands and product was addressed and shipped to the state of jurisdiction by the vendor. I'm not saying it's a strong claim for jurisdiction. I'm saying that it is several orders of magnitude better then "well the website can be viewed in Texas via the internet". There really is no two way engagement there.

Now ANN may have some other attack-able points. Their corporation is registered to an apartment in Canada, but has anyone checked where their web site is hosted? Also the author in question is in the US. Gee wouldn't it be fun to test if ANN actually bothers to indemnify their contractors. (And you just know ANN isn't bothering to carry Libel insurance!)
 
Buying/Selling goods online to another state is actually a far better reason for jurisdiction then what ANN would be facing. There was an actual act of commerce. Money changed hands and product was addressed and shipped to the state of jurisdiction by the vendor. I'm not saying it's a strong claim for jurisdiction. I'm saying that it is several orders of magnitude better then "well the website can be viewed in Texas via the internet". There really is no two way engagement there.

Now ANN may have some other attack-able points. Their corporation is registered to an apartment in Canada, but has anyone checked where their web site is hosted? Also the author in question is in the US. Gee wouldn't it be fun to test if ANN actually bothers to indemnify their contractors. (And you just know ANN isn't bothering to carry Libel insurance!)
My guess is that they are hosted in Canada. I really wish I had the add-on that shows you where a website is hosted.
 
AnOminous linked to an appeal last night which explores the various ways in which jurisdiction can be established. The four cases they use to explore the question are really worth reading even if you don't read how they affected the court's decision in the case being appealed.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=7963287021326394207&hl=en&as_sdt=6&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr

It's also been appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court which denied cert., so it's what controls under Texas state law.

If you don't want to read the whole thing, or even if you do, here's a Volokh Conspiracy article explaining its implications:
https://archive.fo/hn2SC
(archive link because Washington Post's shitty website blocks Brave despite the idiots being a Brave-verified publisher)
 
You're forgetting that these autists are part of a hive mind. They are too fucking lazy to do anything that involves a minute or longer of thinking, research, consideration or really anything other than "o ya, u right, beard so screwed, marzgurl hawt, tiddies, ren did nothing wrong"

The ironic part is that almost no one is on Jared's side and they still try to lump us in like we haven't been roasting his ass for days.
Are there people who think Marzgurl is/was hot? She was maybe a 4/10 (5 if you were really thirsty, and that would've been in her CA heyday). Admittedly, my own assessment is probably a stretch...
 
Are there people who think Marzgurl is/was hot? She was maybe a 4/10 (5 if you were really thirsty, and that would've been in her CA heyday). Admittedly, my own assessment is probably a stretch...

With extremely careful FGAS work she was able to have a couple photographs taken where she looks kind of cute. Without that, though she's in hard 4 territory.

Sure, but it was in the original complaint. Somehow, I think his lawyer had solid ground here:

I do too, but the court pointedly failed to address it in its ruling.
 
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Does Monica even do anything other than Funimation/Rooster Teeth work? Vic still has Viz Media, Bang Zoom!, Sentai, Aniplex, Netflix, video games, audiobooks, cartoons, music...stuff like that.
She's done some Sentai stuff, as has Marchi. Monica's most recent role was... I think Made In Abyss. Other than that, I think they're both exclusively Texas based.
 
Buying/Selling goods online to another state is actually a far better reason for jurisdiction then what ANN would be facing. There was an actual act of commerce. Money changed hands and product was addressed and shipped to the state of jurisdiction by the vendor. I'm not saying it's a strong claim for jurisdiction. I'm saying that it is several orders of magnitude better then "well the website can be viewed in Texas via the internet". There really is no two way engagement there.

New Hampshire having jurisdiction in Keeton (who pretty much venue shopped) seemed pretty tenuous, but that's not the way the court saw it.

In Keeton, a New York resident filed a defamation suit in New Hampshire against the publisher of Hustler magazine, an Ohio corporation with headquarters in California. 465 U.S. at 772, 104 S.Ct. 1473. The plaintiff apparently filed in New Hampshire because it was the only state where limitations had not run. Id. at 773, 104 S.Ct. 1473. Although the defendant's only contacts with New Hampshire consisted of monthly magazine sales there, the Court concluded that the distribution of "some 10,000 to 15,000 copies of Hustler magazine in that State each month" could not "by any stretch of the imagination be characterized as random, isolated, or fortuitous." Id. at 772, 774, 104 S.Ct. 1473. 40*40 The Court viewed this as evidence that the defendant "chose to enter the New Hampshire market," id. at 779, 104 S.Ct. 1473, and found it to be "sufficient to support an assertion of jurisdiction in a libel action based on the contents of the magazine." Id.at 773-74, 104 S.Ct. 1473.

Although the plaintiff in Keeton had almost no connection with New Hampshire, the Court noted that "the jurisdictional inquiry ... focuses on the relations among the defendant, the forum, and the litigation." Id. at 780, 104 S.Ct. 1473 (emphasis added). Referencing its decision in Calder v. Jones, 465 U.S. 783, 104 S.Ct. 1482, 79 L.Ed.2d 804 (1984), which the Court released on the same day as Keeton, the Court explained that the plaintiff's residence "is not ... completely irrelevant" because the "plaintiff's residence in the forum may, because of defendant's relationship with the plaintiff, enhance defendant's contacts with the forum." Id.(citing Calder, 465 U.S. at 788-89, 104 S.Ct. 1482). "Plaintiff's residence," in other words, "may be the focus of the activities of the defendant out of which the suit arises." Id. "But plaintiff's residence in the forum State is not a separate requirement, and lack of residence will not defeat jurisdiction established on the basis of defendant's contacts." Id. Noting that "New Hampshire has a significant interest in redressing injuries that actually occur within the State" and that "[t]he tort of libel is generally held to occur wherever the offending material is circulated," id. at 776-77, 104 S.Ct. 1473, the Court concluded that, because the defendant had "continuously and deliberately exploited the New Hampshire market, it must reasonably anticipate being haled into court there in a libel action based on the contents of its magazine." Id. at 781, 104 S.Ct. 1473.
 
New Hampshire having jurisdiction in Keeton (who pretty much venue shopped) seemed pretty tenuous, but that's not the way the court saw it.

In Keeton, a New York resident filed a defamation suit in New Hampshire against the publisher of Hustler magazine, an Ohio corporation with headquarters in California. 465 U.S. at 772, 104 S.Ct. 1473. The plaintiff apparently filed in New Hampshire because it was the only state where limitations had not run. Id. at 773, 104 S.Ct. 1473. Although the defendant's only contacts with New Hampshire consisted of monthly magazine sales there, the Court concluded that the distribution of "some 10,000 to 15,000 copies of Hustler magazine in that State each month" could not "by any stretch of the imagination be characterized as random, isolated, or fortuitous." Id. at 772, 774, 104 S.Ct. 1473. 40*40 The Court viewed this as evidence that the defendant "chose to enter the New Hampshire market," id. at 779, 104 S.Ct. 1473, and found it to be "sufficient to support an assertion of jurisdiction in a libel action based on the contents of the magazine." Id.at 773-74, 104 S.Ct. 1473.

Although the plaintiff in Keeton had almost no connection with New Hampshire, the Court noted that "the jurisdictional inquiry ... focuses on the relations among the defendant, the forum, and the litigation." Id. at 780, 104 S.Ct. 1473 (emphasis added). Referencing its decision in Calder v. Jones, 465 U.S. 783, 104 S.Ct. 1482, 79 L.Ed.2d 804 (1984), which the Court released on the same day as Keeton, the Court explained that the plaintiff's residence "is not ... completely irrelevant" because the "plaintiff's residence in the forum may, because of defendant's relationship with the plaintiff, enhance defendant's contacts with the forum." Id.(citing Calder, 465 U.S. at 788-89, 104 S.Ct. 1482). "Plaintiff's residence," in other words, "may be the focus of the activities of the defendant out of which the suit arises." Id. "But plaintiff's residence in the forum State is not a separate requirement, and lack of residence will not defeat jurisdiction established on the basis of defendant's contacts." Id. Noting that "New Hampshire has a significant interest in redressing injuries that actually occur within the State" and that "[t]he tort of libel is generally held to occur wherever the offending material is circulated," id. at 776-77, 104 S.Ct. 1473, the Court concluded that, because the defendant had "continuously and deliberately exploited the New Hampshire market, it must reasonably anticipate being haled into court there in a libel action based on the contents of its magazine." Id. at 781, 104 S.Ct. 1473.

But even in Keeton, there was a clear act of commerce. There was physical product being delivered to, distributed in and sold in the state in question. I agree with you that it is tenuous. I'm just saying that trying to force Texas Jurisdiction over something published in a Canadian Website seems substantially more tenuous.
 
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But even in Keeton, there was a clear act of commerce. There was physical product being delivered to, distributed in and sold in the state in question. I agree with you that it is tenuous. I'm just saying that trying to force Texas Jurisdiction over something published in a Canadian Website seems substantially more tenuous.

It would be interesting to see it argued. There've been a couple of cases here but I think it's something with which all jurisdictions are going to find themselves grappling more and more as the manner in which information is delivered continues to change.

Radio and television, of course, have long "published" in locations far from the point of origin. The internet is somewhat different in that we can actually quantify the extent to which a particular article has been accessed from specific locations. Does ANN report on the Texas-based VA animation industry on any kind of regular basis? Do they run advertisements targeting that market? The devil really seems to be in the detail.
 
Does ANN report on the Texas-based VA animation industry on any kind of regular basis? Do they run advertisements targeting that market? The devil really seems to be in the detail.
They deal in anime news (how good the news is up to you) so they do talk about Funimation. Whether it's directly linked to Funimation proper (Gen Fukunaga stepping down, or the Vic case) or on properties Funimation licenses (cast list, schedules, etc) they definitely do report on it.

That said they do report on everything, from Sentai (also in Texas), Crunchy, Viz, and so on.

As for ads, they don't run ads, say, to subscribe to FunimationNow, but they will run ads on disc releases or whatever on properties Funimation licenses.

Sentai is also Texas.
Yes, which is why I said they're exclusively Texas. Could've worded it better, though.
 
New Hampshire having jurisdiction in Keeton (who pretty much venue shopped) seemed pretty tenuous, but that's not the way the court saw it.

In Keeton, a New York resident filed a defamation suit in New Hampshire against the publisher of Hustler magazine, an Ohio corporation with headquarters in California. 465 U.S. at 772, 104 S.Ct. 1473. The plaintiff apparently filed in New Hampshire because it was the only state where limitations had not run. Id. at 773, 104 S.Ct. 1473. Although the defendant's only contacts with New Hampshire consisted of monthly magazine sales there, the Court concluded that the distribution of "some 10,000 to 15,000 copies of Hustler magazine in that State each month" could not "by any stretch of the imagination be characterized as random, isolated, or fortuitous." Id. at 772, 774, 104 S.Ct. 1473. 40*40 The Court viewed this as evidence that the defendant "chose to enter the New Hampshire market," id. at 779, 104 S.Ct. 1473, and found it to be "sufficient to support an assertion of jurisdiction in a libel action based on the contents of the magazine." Id.at 773-74, 104 S.Ct. 1473.

Although the plaintiff in Keeton had almost no connection with New Hampshire, the Court noted that "the jurisdictional inquiry ... focuses on the relations among the defendant, the forum, and the litigation." Id. at 780, 104 S.Ct. 1473 (emphasis added). Referencing its decision in Calder v. Jones, 465 U.S. 783, 104 S.Ct. 1482, 79 L.Ed.2d 804 (1984), which the Court released on the same day as Keeton, the Court explained that the plaintiff's residence "is not ... completely irrelevant" because the "plaintiff's residence in the forum may, because of defendant's relationship with the plaintiff, enhance defendant's contacts with the forum." Id.(citing Calder, 465 U.S. at 788-89, 104 S.Ct. 1482). "Plaintiff's residence," in other words, "may be the focus of the activities of the defendant out of which the suit arises." Id. "But plaintiff's residence in the forum State is not a separate requirement, and lack of residence will not defeat jurisdiction established on the basis of defendant's contacts." Id. Noting that "New Hampshire has a significant interest in redressing injuries that actually occur within the State" and that "[t]he tort of libel is generally held to occur wherever the offending material is circulated," id. at 776-77, 104 S.Ct. 1473, the Court concluded that, because the defendant had "continuously and deliberately exploited the New Hampshire market, it must reasonably anticipate being haled into court there in a libel action based on the contents of its magazine." Id. at 781, 104 S.Ct. 1473.
I know I'm splitting hairs, but: That'd be pretty damned relevant if Hustler was published out of a foreign country, and if ANN sold, say, 10k-15k subscriptions (or whatever) in Texas.

Now, I'm not stopping anyone from suing anyone. But suing ANN seems like a pretty long gamble (and possibly a bonehead move) just to shut them up and steal their lunch money.

I don't think Vic is likely to get through round 2 in time to beat the statute of limitations, and I highly doubt ANN is in round 2.

I mean, if Ty says it's a good idea, I'm behind him all the way. But it seems like kind of a pipe-dream at the moment.
 
It would be interesting to see it argued. There've been a couple of cases here but I think it's something with which all jurisdictions are going to find themselves grappling more and more as the manner in which information is delivered continues to change.

Radio and television, of course, have long "published" in locations far from the point of origin. The internet is somewhat different in that we can actually quantify the extent to which a particular article has been accessed from specific locations. Does ANN report on the Texas-based VA animation industry on any kind of regular basis? Do they run advertisements targeting that market? The devil really seems to be in the detail.

Oh man, why does that suddenly remind me of that 90's era Utah case against Satellite Porn? Utah had appointed this proud 40 something Virgin woman as their "Porn Czar". Her job was to enforce Utah's strict anti porn laws. Her first task, she sued the major Satellite TV providors for beaming "Pay Per View" Porn channels into Utah. The claim was that the porn violated Utah's "Community Standards". At which point the Satellite Providers offered up their granular records which showed that the citizens of Utah consumed roughly 5x more porn per capita than any other state. And that this consumption was very broadly spread throughout their populace. So clearly Utah's actual "Community Standards" were not what their Porn Czar claimed they were. Needless to say the Satellite providers won, and the Porn Czar position was permanently eliminated soon after.

Granted I'm not sure that this has much to do with this case, beyond an interesting case where the Federal Court did find jurisdiction against an outside data broadcasting company. The Satellite companies had no facilities in Utah. Although they did clearly have subscribers.
 
What could get ANN dragged to Texas imo was when they put out that twitter stuff asking for direct info relating to Vic. If a certain crew of Texans sent them defamatory info, which they published, and causing damages to business activity within Texas, you meet the standard. They didn't just put a story on the internet, they reached out to people in Texas for that story, which caused damage in Texas. Good enough the make the argument anyway, and as others have said ANN would be dumb as all hell to fight it. If they manage to defeat Texas jurisdiction they get sued in Canada and that would be a very bad thing for them.
 
How does a website in Canada "specifically market to Texas"?

I'm all for dragging these lying assholes into court. But you may have to go to Canada to actually do that.

Maybe you could reach the Texans in Texas? And then you have to prove they were the source. What's the opposite of prima facie?
How ANN could be dragged into this was covered in one of Nick's earlier streams. Basically they defamed Vic in an article and after the article was published Vic lost his job at Rooster Teeth and Funimation. Ergo you could could sue for defamation and tortious interference with business prospects which are in Texas.

As I understand it they could be dragged into Texas through tortious interference, there is of course also the conspiracy angle if it's found. Heres the stream where Nick talked about this ANN starts at about 1:32:19 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soO1PEsGayA
 
I'm calling it now that the entire "I Stand with Vic" movement is heading to the fate of GamerGate within 1-2 years. Yellow Flash is on stream now talking with some random asshat about a guy trying to grift money off the movement while complaining about other people grifting off the movement. Every stream Rekeita does now has someone trying to super chat about their own personal go fund me for their: "friendwhoistotallynotthemwhoneedsmoneybecauseimightlosemyhouse" or people trying to pimp their shitty youtube channel. Rekeita's unrelenting ignorance of talking to people who claim to know about GG who don't and not listening to better reason will start to tank this whole ship quickly. At some point it will spin out of control and Rekeita will be forced to remove his association with it out of fear of tanking his own brand he built to be the Metokur of the movement while TUG and Yellow flash continue on to the Ethan Ralph and Sargon paths after the movement implodes.

Thankfully the case in court will most likely be unaffected by all of this, but the current litany of orbiters around this will accelerate this into something stupid. This has the potential to derail Rekeita's grand schemes of this being a movement that supports other people falsely accused of fake sexual harassment.

Good luck to the Exceptionals. May they live long and prosper.

The core of ISWV has no intention of the movement existing beyond the scope of Vic's restoration and compensation for his undue loss due to illegal defamation against his character and interference with his contracts.

Rekieta Law YouTube channel belongs to Nick Rekieta, not you. He can do with it as he please.

The YouTube channels involved with ISWV are not headed towards anything different than what they are already experiencing. I don't know where you're inventing your information from. YF, TUG, and Ren are embroiled in a CG battle which has existed for over a year now. If anything, the suspension of Ren and Spidey have quieted things down a bit and forced the latter two to be more careful. With that said, Ren had just recently been suspended yet again (approximately two hours prior to the time of this writing).

You seem to be blowing smoke where there is no fire.
 
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