Game of Thrones Thread

[frozenrunner]

Jaime went through a lot and it absolutely transformed his character... until it reverted back. If it was written better his story of a addict unable to quit the women he loved, despite it going against the other things he loved had some stronger potentail.

You're missing something about the show's version of Jamie. He was filled with self-loathing, about the man he used to be and the things he had done. He became more introspective after being crippled, and a lot of that was due to his friendship with Brienne. He loved and respected her, not in small part for her almost naive moral purity, and I think ultimately he felt the potential of happiness with her was much better than he deserved. And that she didn't deserve to be saddled with a man like him.

So when he heard his sister was (essentially) going to die, he made the decision to punish himself by denying himself happiness and returning, symbolically, to his shameful past to die with Cersei. All that talk about being just as hateful as her was pure self-loathing.

And, of course, he loved Cersei, too. Both as a brother and as a lover. As sick as it is, there probably isn't a non-incest relationship that can compare to that kind of bond.

So he "saves" Brienne the fate of being with a monster, returns to someone he loves eternally in spite of how awful she is, and he punishes and destroys himself by doing so. Perfect for someone who hates himself.

Should this turn have been given more time to play out onscreen? (And it wouldn't have taken much, maybe one more scene.) Sure, but that goes for everything in the rushed final season. Overall, Jamie had one of the more competent arcs of the non-book seasons IMO.

 

[RadicalCentrist]

The dude was scared out of his mind, literally too scared to speak. Not to mention, nobody believed him because at that point white walkers were still a myth. Ned killed him just for being a deserter which again is not exactly the pinnacle of morality.

You're right, he should have instead applied the law arbitrarily on zero basis, a far more moral choice of action.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Wasn't Martin quoted saying he wrote fantasy for adults? That's what's infuriating about D&D dumbing the series down for the Burlington Bar crowd.

Yeah, but Martin's an old hippie, so YMMV on whether "fantasy for adults" just means various local equivalents of people saying "fuck" a lot, or not. What little I've seen from Martin that qualifies as "adult" shades into exceptional edgelording or makes me want to have a forensics team dig up his back yard.

Ned killed him just for being a deserter which again is not exactly the pinnacle of morality.

Not the pinnacle of morality, but hardly the nadir either; remember that morale was a sine qua non in medieval warfare, so they took it as given that executing deserters- and other people who could encourage bad behavior- was necessary pour encourager les autres. The Roman legions were the finest fighting force in the world in their day, and their punishments for their own men who got out of line were pretty horrific. It sucks, but if you want to have an effective army that stays effective, staying in line has to give you a better shot at surviving than desertion.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Stannis and Melisandre burned Shireen, something that I don't think their book counterparts would even do. (I remember Carice Van Houten was particularly vocal about it, pleading with the showrunners to not do it but they overruled her)

I'm glad Brienne wasn't pregnant with Jamie's child. It would have been such an insult to the character. She seems better suited to Tormund anyway.....even tho Tormund is with Jon Snow lol.

I was hoping Cersei would get stabbed or pushed to her death. But no. Rocks. Ehhh.....

Also what the actual fuck happened to Ellaria Sand?

 

[Secret Asshole]

Also what the actual fuck happened to Ellaria Sand?

"We kind of forgot about Dorne" - D&D and Everyone watching Game of Thrones

No, this will never ever get old.

 

[darkhorse816]

Won the dead or alive pool at my work!

 

[verissimus]

Khal Drogo not happy either with what they did to his Khaleesi

Jason Momoa *REACTS* to Daenerys Death Scene Live

Jason Momoa who plays Khal Drogo in Game of Thrones reacts live to the death scene of Dany in he season finale.

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Edit : Seriously, why was Sophie Turner and Kit Harrington so foolish to even bother criticizing the whole petition/fan backlash anyway when 1) almost any and all fan backlashes is rarely ever directed at the crew or the actors but at the top (writers, director, and producers) and 2) they had to have also known that a significant proportion of fans haven't been happy at the quality (or rather lack thereof) of the writers/show runners work since at least the previous season. Are they really that naive or is it misguided loyalty for them to back Benioff and Weiss?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Khal Drogo not happy either with what they did to his Khaleesi

Jason Momoa *REACTS* to Daenerys Death Scene Live

Jason Momoa who plays Khal Drogo in Game of Thrones reacts live to the death scene of Dany in he season finale.

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Edit : Seriously, why was Sophie Turner and Kit Harrington so foolish to even bother criticizing the whole petition/fan backlash anyway when 1) almost any and all fan backlashes is rarely ever directed at the crew or the actors but at the top (writers, director, and producers) and 2) they had to have also known that a significant proportion of fans haven't been happy at the quality (or rather lack thereof) of the writers/show runners work since at least the previous season. Are they really that naive or is it misguided loyalty for them to back Benioff and Weiss?

Kit, unprompted, called the season a disappointment in an interview before the episode aired then fumbled to recover himself. I think HBO's lawyers are getting trigger happy.

 

[Gaat]

Kit, unprompted, called the season a disappointment in an interview before the episode aired then fumbled to recover himself. I think HBO's lawyers are getting trigger happy.

Freudian slip and then trying to backpedal there. Sophie (unguarded), Kit, Peter, Jason...some of their heavy hitters objected to this shitty bukkake.

Even if it gets quieted down or people justify (I can see it in a stretch) the writing, you have to wonder if those who didn't like GoT ending because their name is associated with the fan backlash are gonna reduce working with the producers to preserve their brand name.

 

[дядя Боря]

some good points on the aftermath and what lead to it:

Martin is on record saying that he was thinking 11-13 seasons. HBO thinking about 5 more. D&D wanted to leave on the peak for a more lucrative gig. I buy all of it.

4-5 more seasons, as many pointed out, this would be a dramatic difference. But previous arguments that Martin fucked HBO is not true, it was Dumb and Dumber who fucked HBO and the fan base.

On unrelated note, Cersei was making 700k per episode. Holy fuck, no wander people want to go into acting. Shit, I'd fucking totally stay on, make the bank and retire into playing whatever I wanted. All these actors will always be remembered as their GOT characters.

 

[Mola Ram]

On unrelated note, Cersei was making 700k per episode. Holy fuck, no wander people want to go into acting. Shit, I'd fucking totally stay on, make the bank and retire into playing whatever I wanted. All these actors will always be remembered as their GOT characters.

Sounds good, just remember you need to suck Harvey Weinstein's cock.

 

[Spatula]

On unrelated note, Cersei was making 700k per episode.

Most expensive smirk in history.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Also what the actual fuck happened to Ellaria Sand?

I kinda figured that after Tyrene died Cersei would either stop feeding her or let The Mountain go all murderrape. If not the falling rocks killed her.

 

[Lemmingwise]

He (Crow) said that he waited over a thousand years for Bran. We're shown he doesn't need to be stuck in weirwood 24/7 mind you. Both examples are in the show not so much the book.

Again, even if Bran somehow can't have such longevity (not even if he wargs into a dragon) nothing rules out selecting his successor from another greenseer and so on, ensuring Westeros has a new magical dynasty.

Oh alright, I was confused, since in the show he is a 3 eyed raven, I thought you were talking about the book.

Khal Drogo not happy either with what they did to his Khaleesi

Who cares what pedo drogo thinks?

Spoiler: touching kids

Seriously, why was Sophie Turner and Kit Harrington so foolish to even bother criticizing the whole petition/fan backlash anyway when 1) almost any and all fan backlashes is rarely ever directed at the crew or the actors but at the top (writers, director, and producers) and 2) they had to have also known that a significant proportion of fans haven't been happy at the quality (or rather lack thereof) of the writers/show runners work since at least the previous season. Are they really that naive or is it misguided loyalty for them to back Benioff and Weiss

It's the price if doing business in hollywood and that includes HBO.

If they don't, they get litigated against (see leaks where lawyers were discussing aggressive legal action against bill murray if he kept refusing doing promotional work for the new feminist ghostbusters movie) or they don't get rehired.

Kit harrington answered in an interview that the end was "dissapointing". Afterwards jhe tried to salvage it by saying it was "epic". I doubt he is really happy with the results.

 

[Mola Ram]

Kit harrington answered in an interview that the end was "dissapointing". Afterwards jhe tried to salvage it by saying it was "epic". I doubt he is really happy with the results.

Imagine for almost an entire decade you've been built up as the main character of the world's biggest tv show. Your career started there, you became a bigtime celebrity there, you've succeeded beyond your wildest dreams thanks to this show. You've committed many months of grueling work to this project. Finally it reaches a crescendo, it's all coming to an end ... and your final episodes consist of a few meme-worthy lines, the plot arc that was clearly intended to end with you landing the killing blow on the villain being handed off to someone else for a YASS SLAY KWEEN moment, and your character being foisted off into exile for no particularly good reason.

Kit Harington seems like a nice guy, but it would take a much better actor to feign approval of all that.

 

[ReplicantWiggum]

My honest two cents is GRRM told them the endings they went oh shit we wrote our selves into a literal corner with Dany, mine as well subvert but still use the same ending, they subverted the NK ending completely IMHO since I don’t think the long night will end in war but compromise!
Never the less. The final 5 seasons were rushed watch the rotten tomatoes episode by episode it stays solid 96 area for 4 damn seasons!

Also I think Jon although in the show is an idiot all around in military strategy, he can fight and in da boox he seems like an honorable man who was taught by Ned Stark the most honorable man, I think Jon deserved thrones in da Boox and it remains a monarchy with stark blood kept in the mix as well Da Norf would not recede..

 

[Lemmingwise]

Kit Harington seems like a nice guy, but it would take a much better actor to feign approval of all that

He ended up married to castle cutie rose lesly, can't really feel sorry for him.

 

[ReplicantWiggum]

He ended up married to castle cutie rose lesly, can't really feel sorry for him.

I like Sophie turner even tho she is a Coke head IMHO

 

[Starscreams Cape]

One of the greater failings is that we didn't really get to experience Dany's alienation and frustration that she felt in westeros. With better writing and time there could be so many more instances where she felt out of place or where she tried to do things in an essos way and was rebuffed in a westeros way. Most of all, I think her 2nd dragon should have died during the fight, so that for once a dragon's death could have some real emotional ramifications and have a stronger justification for torching the city. Though seeing Emilia's short range of acting... that is perhaps debatable if it would really have worked. Particularly if the army had surrendered, the bells had been rung.... the two dragons landed on some builidings.

And then a commoner had seized one of the scorpions and shot a dragon. That would have been a perfect Franz Ferdinand type murder that resulted in catastrophic reprisal. Then she would have real reason to be angry with her council that councilled mercy on the city. It would be just the right push to protect herself and drogon with more severe measures.

Exactly. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think they showed her interacting with even ONE of the commoners of Westeros. As I said earlier in the thread, if they had put in just one scene of a few commoners reacting in a distrustful or resentful way it would have helped sell it. The fact they didn't is just unforgivable. It's so lazy it defies belief.

And I had never thought of placing the 2nd dragon death during the battle but damn is that a good idea. Again, it would have been another and final brick in the wall. But apparently they wanted to have a "watercooler cliffhanger" and sell Euron as the badass he never was.

I must admit I'm enjoying the suffering from the harpies who think it was wrong to have her turn because she's a womyn. I hope they're STILL losing sleep over it. But as a fan of the books, good storytelling and the seasons up to this one, this was just an abomination.

 

[Secret Asshole]

HBO was fucking re.tarded for letting them continue. They should have been booted off. 'Sorry, we don't agree. Bye.' But nope, just let them continue onwards.

Kit, unprompted, called the season a disappointment in an interview before the episode aired then fumbled to recover himself. I think HBO's lawyers are getting trigger happy.

This is all lawyers. The backlash has been tremendous and probably killed the franchise for HBO.