Game of Thrones Thread

No, that's now what he believes, when it comes to those three it's just that they're all probably manipulating different things but nothing about a war between them.

His main out there theory is that Planetos is part of the 1000 worlds universe, which for the uninitiated is basically the world where a lot of GRRM's previous books/short stories* were based in largely unrelated stories. Basically, there was a war between a human space empire and some hive-minded aliens, and some of the worlds regressed to varying degrees, including a few to a medieval level.

Even if it's true, I don't think it'd ever come up.

* Which for the record show a lot of the themes that GRRM repeats a , which includes amongst other things: people with valyrian features, hiveminded/psychic races and visions being tools used to fuck with people. It goes the other way too, though, for example, Victarion when journeying to Slaver's Bay stops by an island with these weird monkeys & pyramids which is a reference to And Seven Times Never Kill Man
 
Someone on datalounge posted info about the purported original plot for season 8. It’s probably bullshit, but it’s interesting nonetheless:

So I asked, (apparently I’m not the only one asking questions about what happened right now), and managed to get a few new bits of information. GRRM has made it clear he’s ‘not pleased’ with how the show ended behind closed doors. Things were already strained between him and D&D, but this was the final straw. It’s categorically NOT the ending he had planned for the characters. The good thing is that it’s finally lit a rocket up his ass to finish the next book...

The original plan for S7 and 8 was quite different. Cersei’s pregnancy was meant to end with her miscarrying at the end of S7 as Jaime rode North. That scene was filmed, but held back, and then cut entirely. That was meant to signal the start of her spiralling into absolute madness. The whole nonsensical ‘Bronn being sent to kill Jaime and Tyrion’ plot is a hangover from that original outline, but he was meant to go after Sansa (who Cersei believed had her poisoned), and in turn Brienne, which was supposed to be the death knell for any reconciliation for the twins when Bronn came North and told Tyrion and Jaime about Cersei plans. That was the set up for Jaime being the Valonqar, which morphed into Jon killing Dany.

Dany was always meant to lose it after being provoked by Cersei, but the situation was a lot less black and white. With nothing left to lose, Batshit!Cersei was going to outright threaten to blow up King’s Landing with the remaining wildfire. Dany still ends up razing the capital, but it’s in the aftermath of a far more even battle. She wins, but but everyone (including Grey Worm) she brought West with her dies. Both Jon and Tyrion walk away from her too, and she commands Drogon to melt the throne and flies back East.

George is working towards a return to seven independent kingdoms in the books, but they cut so many of his characters that is was never a realistic option. In the show, Jon was meant to sit on the throne originally, with Jaime, in the aftermath of killing Cersei, paying for his crimes by serving as his Hand. They essentially split the two major beats of Jaime’s arc, killing his Queen and becoming Hand, between Jon and Tyrion and fucked him (and Cersei) over, because HBO wanted to ensure that Kit, Emilia and particularly Peter would get a shot at Emmys. (Nikolaj and Lena were smart enough to realise that their character arcs were being sacrificed.) King Bran was the result of D&D being OBSESSED with reading online theories and wanting to come out of left field. There was also discussion of how it would be perceived if they removed a woman from the throne and placed a man there instead. ‘Bran the Broken’, as a disabled character, was the compromise. The second hand embarrassment is fucking painful!

ETA Cersei miscarrying was part of the episode scripts from AwayForTheLads, the guy who leaked all of season seven months beforehand. So that does match up.
 
So it's not a meme, D&D are basically in love with the whole "subverted expectations", even if they have no idea about character motivations, foreshadowing, themes, planting and payoff, etc.

The only consolation out of this is the case that if GRRM ever finishes the books it'll take a big dump over this ending, and the smug assholes who are going all "the season was great bc muh QUEEN SANSA AND KING BRAN" are gonna feel betrayed, lol.
 
Lore question: There was a bunch of other Brans than this one, shouldn't he be the 21st of his name or something?
He's the first Brandon that was King on the Iron Throne so no, regnal naming starts over. If he were King in the North then yeah, he'd get a number.

EDIT: Actually no he probably wouldn't. Starks don't seem to use regnal numbers, just titles. Brandon the Shipwright. Brandon the Burner, etc.
 
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The post-episode survey of the final episode on the Game of Thrones subreddit was just released. The episode got a 5.5. Keep in mind that this by far the most forgiving and lenient Game of Thrones discussion forum on Reddit (and one of the most on the whole internet) and people still hated the ending.
 
He's the first Brandon that was King on the Iron Throne so no, regnal naming starts over. If he were King in the North then yeah, he'd get a number.

EDIT: Actually no he probably wouldn't. Starks don't seem to use regnal numbers, just titles. Brandon the Shipwright. Brandon the Burner, etc.
There are so many Brandons everywhere in the line ,it makes Louis look underused.
 
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The Lannisters have been my favorite house, by FAR.

The way these last few seasons have massacred these characters ... God, I'm so pissed.

You KNOW you done fucked up when I see my favorite characters die and I feel absolutely nothing.
 
Remember when movies or TV shows sucked, and people were able to voice their criticisms without being called every name in the book by the media and Hollywood?

When we hate things like Star Wars or Captain Marvel, we're all called bigots.

When we hate how Game of Thrones ended, we're lectured by the likes of HBO, the media, and Sophie Turner about how we're all "disrespectful" meany faces because people worked SO HARD on the show.

Want to talk disrespect? How about the fans of the series, who spent their time watching and financially supporting the series via HBO subscriptions? THIS is the sloppy ending we're given, and we're not supposed to criticize? You know, if the cast and crew weren't able to spot a Starbucks cup and two water bottles that made it into frame, then maybe they should have worked a little bit harder, damn it.

The corporations are demanding our allegiance. I don't know how else I can view it at this point. I don't care if that sounds a little too "tin foil" to some, either. These big-ass corporations are demanding that we "consume the product, don't ask questions, and consume the next product" (to paraphrase RedLetterMedia). It's borderline scary, if you ask me.
 
Lore question: There was a bunch of other Brans than this one, shouldn't he be the 21st of his name or something?
None of the 8 bajillion Brandon Starks before him were King of the Seven Kingdoms, just the North. This is a title that has had 3 non-Targaryens hold it in its existence. "First of his name" and the like refers to holders of that particular title.
Remember when movies or TV shows sucked, and people were able to voice their criticisms without being called every name in the book by the media and Hollywood?

When we hate things like Star Wars or Captain Marvel, we're all called bigots.

When we hate how Game of Thrones ended, we're lectured by the likes of HBO, the media, and Sophie Turner about how we're all "disrespectful" meany faces because people worked SO HARD on the show.

Want to talk disrespect? How about the fans of the series, who spent their time watching and financially supporting the series via HBO subscriptions? THIS is the sloppy ending we're given, and we're not supposed to criticize? You know, if the cast and crew weren't able to spot a Starbucks cup and two water bottles that made it into frame, then maybe they should have worked a little bit harder, damn it.

The corporations are demanding our allegiance. I don't know how else I can view it at this point. I don't care if that sounds a little too "tin foil" to some, either. These big-ass corporations are demanding that we "consume the product, don't ask questions, and consume the next product" (to paraphrase RedLetterMedia). It's borderline scary, if you ask me.
Corporations realized that dullards in entertainment journalism would become the best bootlicking toadies in the world if it meant they could continue shitting on the same nerds their corporate masters were stealing all their ideas from. That's all this "entitled" nonsense amounts to. It's just a signal phrase to trigger positive press.
 
Someone on datalounge posted info about the purported original plot for season 8. It’s probably bullshit, but it’s interesting nonetheless:



ETA Cersei miscarrying was part of the episode scripts from AwayForTheLads, the guy who leaked all of season seven months beforehand. So that does match up.

Maybe it's just the lowered expectations, but that seems like it'd make a hell of a lot more sense than what they actually went with.
 
Maybe it's just the lowered expectations, but that seems like it'd make a hell of a lot more sense than what they actually went with.

That's actually not bad. I can believe the whole award bait thing as well, even though Peter Dinklage, Emilia Clark, and Kit Harington don't come over as egotistical enough to screech about how they were "denied" gongs. I can especially believe the concern about the optics of a man deposing a STRONG WAMEN as well; the screeching that Sansa's rape engendered seemed to have cowed them quite a bit. Given that Star Wars had gone woke they probably didn't want to jeopardise all that lovely Lucas Lucre.
 
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