I don’t feel comfortable determining if anyone is happy just from what I see online, it’s a very relative thing.
But Hotwheels certainly managed to build a life for himself, which is about as good as it gets for most adults. I think not having female companionship, and being a virgin, was an issue years ago that made him unhappy, but moving to the Philippines allowed him to afford prostitutes and I would assume assistants to help him with daily life. Maybe he’s even found a girlfriend idk, but I hope so.
I’m not casting any aspersions on you. I’m glad you’ve found a way to lead a happy life with your condition. If your son is 25 there wasn’t early genetic testing readily available to try and avoid passing it along to a child. Fredrick was certainly writing that essay to address what’s available now thanks to science.
However one of his quibbles was his mother had multiple children, some with the condition, some without. She was never really able to care for any of them but kept having them anyway. The govt provides money and benefits for such children. In loving household that cares for a disabled child properly the additional money probably doesn’t even cover all that’s needed, but for a parent who doesn’t give a shit it’s a gravy train.
Basically for a certain type of person the govt is incentivizing having disabled kids instead of trying to prevent it. (This goes well beyond OI. There are families who try to get kids Dx with autism simply for the extra money they get from SSI.) For some people using disabilities, real and faked, to generate income is a way of life.
I think his idea of incentivizing not having kids if you are disabled is interesting. There’s a great danger in trying the ban any group from having kids, the famous slippery slope. But instead of some govt eugenic overreach or punishment instead let parents benefit/be rewarded for making a decision to not have kids if they suffer from or are a carrier for a debilitating inheritable genetic condition. There will still be disabled people because many conditions are flukes or mutations, but it would reduce the number. Reducing the preventable cases means more money and services available for living disabled people.
Everyone wants to be loved, so yeah, I can see why he'd have been unhappy before. Maybe he's happy now (I hope so) and I am misreading it, but I think most adults (even non-disabled) with 2 shitty parents and a shitty living situation would be happier after some therapy.
Not only was genetic testing not readily available, but misinformation about our condition was also rampant. We were told multiple things that science now knows were untrue that affected decisions we made.
Absolutely! Sadly, parents using their disabled children as meal tickets is not uncommon. It's disgusting. Government agencies don't investigate or prosecute it, maybe because it's difficult to prove, I don't know but something needs to be done.
I think his idea of incentivizing not having kids if you are disabled is fantastic. I'd much rather pay someone to not have children who will suffer (because they are uncared for or because of their conditions) than pay them to pump out more and more babies.
Another problem is many states sterilization laws are prohibitive. I couldn't get my tubes tied when my son was born because in my state you had to be at least 21 or be under 21 with 4 or more children. I was only 18 and he was my first, but we knew we didn't want to risk passing this on again. It should have been my choice, but my Dr.'s hands were tied by the law. How does that make sense?
Yeah while forced sterilization is a thing that's happened relatively recently and is extremely fucked up, women who want to be sterilized can have a pretty hard time making it happen.
I'm still wondering how the fuck Sapphire Crimson Claw in the Tumblr subforum got a hysterectomy in her late 20's with no kids. Slight PL but I have a friend who had a hysterectomy for medical reasons and had to go through like four doctors before she found one willing to do the procedure because she had no kids and was in her late 20's.
My only guess is Sapphire is such a tard that even the most misogynistic doctor could see she was someone that didn't need to reproduce.
It really sucks if you're in one of the abortion ban states especially. Can't get an abortion safely, but can't 100% prevent yourself from getting pregnant either (unless you just completely abstain from sex and make sure not to get raped I guess).
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but I wonder if the reason fundies like fetuses and potatoes so much is because it's impossible for them to do something they see as sinful or violate their morals. Plus they can project whatever they want onto them, so the fetus/potato can be a perfect pious, saintly being to them.
I'm still wondering how the fuck Sapphire Crimson Claw in the Tumblr subforum got a hysterectomy in her late 20's with no kids. Slight PL but I have a friend who had a hysterectomy for medical reasons and had to go through like four doctors before she found one willing to do the procedure because she had no kids and was in her late 20's.
My only guess is Sapphire is such a tard that even the most misogynistic doctor could see she was someone that didn't need to reproduce.
Could she have gone to some low-tier gender confirmation doctor? There's one near me who is known in local trans and "enby" circles for performing hysterectomies on just about any woman who walks in the door.
Anyways, one thing about Hannah specifically that strikes me as odd is that her story is that teh ebil OBGYN told her that literally everything was wrong with this baby and tried to force her to get an abortion and then forcefully kicked out of the clinic when she refused, which seeing as how all the information I've found tells me that she lives in Ohio this claim strikes me as extremely odd. I've also noticed that lil' Evelyn seems to get sick A LOT (and even got so sick that the only way to transport her was by airlifting her to a hospital) and posts like this one suggest that a common issue with ES taters is that they have compromised immune systems, though that doesn't seem to stop Hannah from dragging Evelyn outside for photoshoots or letting her younger baby rip out her breathing apparatus.
Yeah while forced sterilization is a thing that's happened relatively recently and is extremely fucked up, women who want to be sterilized can have a pretty hard time making it happen.
It really sucks if you're in one of the abortion ban states especially. Can't get an abortion safely, but can't 100% prevent yourself from getting pregnant either (unless you just completely abstain from sex and make sure not to get raped I guess).
I'm surprised none of the abortion bans I've heard of so far forbids prenatal genetic testing. That would be the best way to keep women from aborting tard babies, and I've heard of a few stories of fundie doctors refusing to tell their patient that the fetus is severely disabled out of fear of the patient aborting.
I'm surprised none of the abortion bans I've heard of so far forbids prenatal genetic testing. That would be the best way to keep women from aborting tard babies, and I've heard of a few stories of fundie doctors refusing to tell their patient that the fetus is severely disabled out of fear of the patient aborting.
Yeah while forced sterilization is a thing that's happened relatively recently and is extremely fucked up, women who want to be sterilized can have a pretty hard time making it happen.
I'm still wondering how the fuck Sapphire Crimson Claw in the Tumblr subforum got a hysterectomy in her late 20's with no kids. Slight PL but I have a friend who had a hysterectomy for medical reasons and had to go through like four doctors before she found one willing to do the procedure because she had no kids and was in her late 20's.
My only guess is Sapphire is such a tard that even the most misogynistic doctor could see she was someone that didn't need to reproduce.
It really sucks if you're in one of the abortion ban states especially. Can't get an abortion safely, but can't 100% prevent yourself from getting pregnant either (unless you just completely abstain from sex and make sure not to get raped I guess).
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but I wonder if the reason fundies like fetuses and potatoes so much is because it's impossible for them to do something they see as sinful or violate their morals. Plus they can project whatever they want onto them, so the fetus/potato can be a perfect pious, saintly being to them.
I don't know if it's been mentioned, but I wonder if the reason fundies like fetuses and potatoes so much is because it's impossible for them to do something they see as sinful or violate their morals. Plus they can project whatever they want onto them, so the fetus/potato can be a perfect pious, saintly being to them.
The speculation I've seen from this thread at least is that fundies latch onto the potatoes because it's a kind of cognitive dissonance. In my personal experience a lot of pro-lifers tend to think of the issue in total absolutes, and it's really easy for them to say that there's no grey areas when they're confident that future potato-ism isn't an excuse (I've even seen some really insane fringe groups claim not even the life/health of the mother should be a reason because if a woman isn't willing to die for her 10000% doomed stillborn or because she needs chemo for a cancer than will kill her sooner than a fetus can even be viable without treatment, then clearly she's a heartless monster) when you're fairly confident that it will never ever happen to them. So I think when it does actually happen to them, they're left with two options: re-assess their position, or double down. The people in this thread all chose the latter. I'm sure there's some projection involved, but it seems more of the "see the doctors were definitely wrong and they aren't potatoes at all, just look at this totally deliberate spasm" variety to me.
As for fetuses, as cliche as it is there is definitely a pattern of seeing pregnancy as karma or a punishment. You could make a whole drinking game out of how many times you see the phrases "should take responsibility," "irresponsible," or some reference to hook-ups and Tinder being to blame (even though most studies suggest that hook-up culture is a fairly small minority with most showing that most of this supposed culture is "all talk, no action" and only 17%-30% of women participate; and the research citing 30% is usually because it's counting fully clothed make-out sessions as hook-ups) in pro-life arguments and discussions.
Although a slightly tinfoil-hat speculation is that fundies are so gung-ho about pro-life is because they've turned adoption into something of an industry. Majority of pro-life organizations are either sponsored by or partnered with (usually Christian) adoption agencies, which on the surface makes sense, but then this also includes crisis pregnancy centers. You know, the places that give irresponsibly false information like "birth control causes cancer" or my personal favorite "condoms actively cause STDs, not prevent them." And CPCs are almost infamously aggressive about pushing adoption onto pregnant women - even ones didn't want to abort at all - with horror stories of low income women going in because of the promises of free diapers only to be browbeat into adoption, or even one story where a CPC refused to call a doctor for a woman in labor until she signed relinquishment forms (which from what I remember the center was rightly sued for). And it's easy to see why such places would be so hellbent on pushing for adoption when you realize they make fucking bank facilitating the adoption process.
Combine that with a lot of CPCs being most prominent in states with the least amount of sex education, it makes sense to me that prolife industries would have motive to produce as many pregnant teens as possible.
Though on that note I have been curious as to what CPCs or Christian adoption agencies do in the event the "birth mother" turns out to be carrying a potato. Because the demand for deliberately adopting tater babies looks to be borderline insignificant and I can't find many records of such a situation occurring.
Though on that note I have been curious as to what CPCs or Christian adoption agencies do in the event the "birth mother" turns out to be carrying a potato. Because the demand for deliberately adopting tater babies looks to be borderline insignificant and I can't find many records of such a situation occurring.
I'm convinced that despite their posturing, fundies actually feel the same revulsion towards deformed flesh doll children as everyone else-they just suppress it for the sake of toeing the party line. That explains why they're so crazy about potato kids, but unwilling to actually shoulder the burden of caring for them.
The speculation I've seen from this thread at least is that fundies latch onto the potatoes because it's a kind of cognitive dissonance. In my personal experience a lot of pro-lifers tend to think of the issue in total absolutes, and it's really easy for them to say that there's no grey areas when they're confident that future potato-ism isn't an excuse (I've even seen some really insane fringe groups claim not even the life/health of the mother should be a reason because if a woman isn't willing to die for her 10000% doomed stillborn or because she needs chemo for a cancer than will kill her sooner than a fetus can even be viable without treatment, then clearly she's a heartless monster) when you're fairly confident that it will never ever happen to them. So I think when it does actually happen to them, they're left with two options: re-assess their position, or double down. The people in this thread all chose the latter. I'm sure there's some projection involved, but it seems more of the "see the doctors were definitely wrong and they aren't potatoes at all, just look at this totally deliberate spasm" variety to me.
As for fetuses, as cliche as it is there is definitely a pattern of seeing pregnancy as karma or a punishment. You could make a whole drinking game out of how many times you see the phrases "should take responsibility," "irresponsible," or some reference to hook-ups and Tinder being to blame (even though most studies suggest that hook-up culture is a fairly small minority with most showing that most of this supposed culture is "all talk, no action" and only 17%-30% of women participate; and the research citing 30% is usually because it's counting fully clothed make-out sessions as hook-ups) in pro-life arguments and discussions.
Although a slightly tinfoil-hat speculation is that fundies are so gung-ho about pro-life is because they've turned adoption into something of an industry. Majority of pro-life organizations are either sponsored by or partnered with (usually Christian) adoption agencies, which on the surface makes sense, but then this also includes crisis pregnancy centers. You know, the places that give irresponsibly false information like "birth control causes cancer" or my personal favorite "condoms actively cause STDs, not prevent them." And CPCs are almost infamously aggressive about pushing adoption onto pregnant women - even ones didn't want to abort at all - with horror stories of low income women going in because of the promises of free diapers only to be browbeat into adoption, or even one story where a CPC refused to call a doctor for a woman in labor until she signed relinquishment forms (which from what I remember the center was rightly sued for). And it's easy to see why such places would be so hellbent on pushing for adoption when you realize they make fucking bank facilitating the adoption process.
Combine that with a lot of CPCs being most prominent in states with the least amount of sex education, it makes sense to me that prolife industries would have motive to produce as many pregnant teens as possible.
Though on that note I have been curious as to what CPCs or Christian adoption agencies do in the event the "birth mother" turns out to be carrying a potato. Because the demand for deliberately adopting tater babies looks to be borderline insignificant and I can't find many records of such a situation occurring.
Fringe groups like the largest religious group in the US, Catholicism, who literally made a saint out of a woman who died rather than have an abortion?
(On the other hand, if ex-Catholics were their own denomination they'd be the third largest religious group.)
Fringe groups like the largest religious group in the US, Catholicism, who literally made a saint out of a woman who died rather than have an abortion?
(On the other hand, if ex-Catholics were their own denomination they'd be the third largest religious group.)
In my defense, I was mostly working from my own experience where I've only met 1 person IRL who believed "fatally non-viable pregnant women should just let themselves die" and that even the most hardcore pro-life laws being pushed tend to still include exemptions for the mother's life. At the very least that level of prolife is fringe in the sense that it's not popular to express such views out loud.
(Incidentally, pardon the power-leveling but that particular fundie was also a certified nurse. Which seems to be a combination that's way more common than I'm comfortable with - it reminds me of something I read about how male bullies in high school often go on to be soldiers and police officers while female bullies become nurses and flight attendants)
That link is certainly an interesting read, thanks for sharing.
In my defense, I was mostly working from my own experience where I've only met 1 person IRL who believed "fatally non-viable pregnant women should just let themselves die" and that even the most hardcore pro-life laws being pushed tend to still include exemptions for the mother's life. At the very least that level of prolife is fringe in the sense that it's not popular to express such views out loud.
(Incidentally, pardon the power-leveling but that particular fundie was also a certified nurse. Which seems to be a combination that's way more common than I'm comfortable with - it reminds me of something I read about how male bullies in high school often go on to be soldiers and police officers while female bullies become nurses and flight attendants)
That link is certainly an interesting read, thanks for sharing.
Do you guys remember that little girl that I think had treacher collins syndrome? She's missing like her whole smile and it's the creepiest fucking thing ever. She died, thank god. Her mom was going to media outlets and saying that people were telling her she should've aborted her daughter and saying it was cruel. She should've aborted her. She looked like a horror movie and people would stare and it made me feel bad for her. I think she was mentally competent to know people found her scary looking which is sad. I'm glad she won't have to live any longer with the stares and not have to go to school to get bullied.
Do you guys remember that little girl that I think had treacher collins syndrome? She's missing like her whole smile and it's the creepiest fucking thing ever. She died, thank god. Her mom was going to media outlets and saying that people were telling her she should've aborted her daughter and saying it was cruel. She should've aborted her. She looked like a horror movie and people would stare and it made me feel bad for her. I think she was mentally competent to know people found her scary looking which is sad. I'm glad she won't have to live any longer with the stares and not have to go to school to get bullied.
Uhhh, Sophia Weaver didn't have Treacher Collins. As a matter of fact, I don't think there's a name for the specific facial condition she had.
We do know that she suffered from Rett Syndrome. which causes severe mental EXCEPTIONALISM, so she probably didn't have the brainpower to realize how sad her situation was.
