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Wtf is Mueller's game here? Why hold back instead of just recommending impeachment?

Because he knows perfectly well there's nothing to impeach over. It's just a dog throwing his masters a bone instead of the other way around. He's also probably afraid that if he admits Trump did nothing wrong, they'll take out all their frustration and hatred on him as a substitute.
 
Because he knows perfectly well there's nothing to impeach over. It's just a dog throwing his masters a bone instead of the other way around. He's also probably afraid that if he admits Trump did nothing wrong, they'll take out all their frustration and hatred on him as a substitute.

I'm sure this was a method to go beyond the findings in the report while avoiding any questions from GOP in the house. This avoided subpoenaing him.

Remember all that cover up bullshit Cirrhosi was talking last week? Well they always fucking project and here is your cover up. Mueller was never going to testify and they don't want to impeach. They just think if they can keep hanging it over his head it will kill him in 2020 and they are almost certainly wrong. They are opening themselves up to the extremists in their own party, the extremists outside of their party, and alienating everyone else in the country with this unending bullshit.

The DNC has done nothing for this country in two years outside of obstruct and shamelessly piss all over Trump's carpet and that's going to come back on them.
 
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This is why the phrase, "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched" was penned. I legitimately can't make it further than a few paragraphs into this article without tasting vomit.
 
Hitler was actually a little incompetent/impatient and it was literally the main reason that Germany didn't conquer the entire world in the 1940s.

He was so fucking close and many people forget that if he hadn't fucked with Russia while Japan fucked with USA he might have actually conquered all/most of the world and considering how absolutely cucked Germany was from WW1 (which was a mere 20 years earlier) his conquest was nothing short of miraculous.

Hitler and the Nazis were absolute monsters but looking at them from a purely historical standpoint - Hitler was one of the greatest conquerors; possibly the greatest; of all time.
Gonna have to hard disagree here.

Hitler invading Russia when he did and how he did was entirely down to the absolutely existential need for its resources, by far the most important being oil, which the German economy and German war machine were running out of fast, and which they had no way of getting more of thanks to the Royal Navy blockade. They were scheduled to run out in about 1942/1943 and if they ran out their hold over their occupied lands would be terminally shaken, and they would become a sitting duck for either a soviet invasion or a British/Commonwealth invasion/liberation of France which would then probably also trigger a soviet invasion.

And frankly even this desperate gamble was better planned out by Hitler than is traditionally believed, since his aim was a mad bull dash to the Caucasus to seize all the oil and other resources there, thus giving Germany all the fuel it needed for an indefinite war while terminally starving the Soviets of fuel and food. Unfortunately for him, his generals were of the opinion that all they needed to do to defeat Russia was seize Moscow, apparently forgetting the fact they would still have several thousand miles to fall back to and continue the war, and they disobeyed his orders and diverted troops from his main aim which turned germany's slim chance of victory into an absolute certainty of defeat once the attack on the Caucasus bogged down, as it could never regain its momentum and would only be pushed back from then on.

The real major fuckup Hitler made was trusting the foreign policy advise of a literal retard* regarding the British government/population's willingness for another war, which is why he planned out his conquest of the east with the explicit notion that Britain would never intervene and most crucially never blockade Germany's ports and starve them of the resources they needed for a protracted war.

* Seriously, it really cant be overstated how jawdroppingly terrible a diplomat and a foreign policy maker Von Ribbentrop was. Of all the bigwigs of the nazi government I think there is a very good argument that he is by far the one most responsible for the downfall of the Third Reich, just by how hilariously out of touch he was with the nations he was supposed to be the expert on, how autistically obsessed he was with his own personal grudges and fantasies at the expense of his nation's and leader's interests and needs, and how astonishingly obnoxious and repulsive he was to literally every foreign leader and ambassador he was supposed to charm and bring into an alliance with Germany.
This is super off topic but I just have to say that I'm not following the logic here.
You say Barbarossa was a gambit by Hitler to get vital supplies like oil and rare metals but starting a massive land war with the largest country on earth on the off chance that you might get your hands on said war material and might be able to win the protracted campaign that will follow doesn't really make sense and yes I'm aware who we're talking about here but still.
Thats also not getting into the fact that Hitler and the rest of the NSDAP 1, viewed the USSR as an imminent threat that needed to be dealt with and 2, made no bones about the fact that they wanted to exterminate the Slavs right along with the Jews.
Trying to claim that the Eastern Front was a necessary gamble by Hitler sounds an awful lot like an ass covering excuse made after the fact.
Barbarossa was a clusterfuck from the word "go". From the utterly pathetic logistics planning, but then again Germany was always shit at logistics Barbarossa is just when it really bit them in the ass, to the fact that it happened at all.
TLDR In my view the Eastern Front was the action of a compulsive gambler and racist and delusional ideologue not some 4d chess move to stave off German collapse.
I'm sorry for derailing the thread but I've seen Holden claim this before and it just makes me go WTF.
The largest country on earth which was not only certain in Hitlers mind, and probably in reality too, to make moves of attacking Germany the moment they sensed weakness, but had recently been humiliated by the Finns and was thus was not an impossible adversary in the minds of military planners.

And as I said before, they didnt really have any other options given how their only source for oil once Britain cut the sea off was Romania, and the piddling amount of oil there had to be stretched over the entire continent that germany needed to exploit for resources and labour. And if they ran out then their whole economy and war machine would just cease to exist overnight, causing total and certain collapse of Germany as a power in europe. They couldnt magically conjure up all that oil, all that food, all those rare minerals, and everything else they once relied on international trade for, so drastic and risky actions were considered and attempted.



Yeah, and it would be a whole lot easier to deal with the soviets before germany ran out of oil and resources would it not? Hence why barbarossa happened when it did.

This is really the crux of the argument. If germany wanted to win before it ran out of resources and before the soviets had built up their strength for a proper war footing, they only had a very limited window for doing it. If they waited too long they would have run out of the resources needed for any major push into russia, and russia would have become that much tougher an opponent thus amplifying the disadvantage.



Well either it was a desperate gamble Hitler and co made in the face of existential resource shortages, or hitler just randomly ordered the invasion for what amounted to shits and giggles and masturbatory fantasies of muh-reich, and just assumed everything would work out despite having done everything in his power in the decade beforehand to avoid a two front war specifically because it would make defeat extremely likely.

Also about those logistics, you ever wonder why Germany relied so much on horses for transport of men and materials? Horses dont need oil. The blitzkrieg attack on russia was always a desperate hail mary given how if the attack bogged down their fragile logistic lines would disintegrate and rob the attack of all momentum and ensure defeat. If they could not even gather up enough oil to move all their shit by truck, it helps illustrate how dire their situation was.


Hardly a 4d chess move to see you are running out of resources and then try and take them from your main enemy in a surprise attack. Hitler was not a master strategist or anything of the sort, but he wasn't stupid. Nor was he naive enough to assume that "muh aryan super soldier" schtick would automatically win the war for him. If he was capable of bottling up his lebensraum obsession enough to ally with the USSR in taking Poland when it suited his interests and trading supplies with them, it stands to reason he would have probably only chosen to break this alliance if he had some actual reason for doing so

Read inside the Third Reich by Albert Speer. Hitler was a sperg who could delegate & give a good speech.
Hitler was able to take power because he was viewed as stupid and weak, and bunch of other pretenders thought they'd be able to put him in the topslot, then knock him off an take over themselves.

Hitler had that Jobs like reality distortion bubble and the ability to praise and berate talented people in the right combination to make them perform. Early on, he had a knack for promoting smart people from outside and industry, where they were able to break up a lot of "stagnation".

Germany in 1941 hadn't even gone full war economy. Military industries were still competing and sabotaging each other, keeping processes and numbers secret from even the state. This wasn't fixed till later, and probably too late. If they'd geared up for total war in the 30s, it might have been a different story; France and most of Europe was the German Armed forces not really trying.

Hitler's real gaffe with Barbarossa was treating the countries he liberated from Soviet Occupation as bad or worse than the Soviets did, turning what should have been thankful populaces willing to aid in the pushing back of the Soviet dicators into partisan-ridden beds of unrest. Ukraine especially initially viewed the Germans as liberators and were ripe for collaboration, but they were mistreated and abused and many adolescent girls were little better than enslaved, so that put an end to that.
The Soviet/Germany conflict was inevitable; Stalin had seen Germany's war machine and was modernizing and rebuilding the officer corps he'd executed most of. A later war would have been against a better equiped and trained Soviet force. The western front was quiet, Britain was bleeding and only kept in the war because of support from America, and there only really fighting in Africa that wasn't going so well for the Brits.

There's more to be said about other German failings, but I'll stop here.
 
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This is why the phrase, "Don't count your chickens before they're hatched" was penned. I legitimately can't make it further than a few paragraphs into this article without tasting vomit.
I couldn't get to the fifth without shaking my head in disgust.

Nor is there much credible disagreement that the president treats lies, exaggerations and bullying as everyday weapons in his communication toolbox.
This is what got me the most. Imagine the lack of self awareness of a New York Times writer, especially after the Sarah Jeong, Covington Catholic, and Antisemitic Cartoon controversies, to say this.
 
FFS, stop with the Hitler stuff already jeeze.
But you see, we're trying to make a point that Trump is LITERALLY mega hitler
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Impeach him out of the Whitehouse NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!
When I saw that hashtag trending, that video was the first thing that popped into my head

By the way, what is it with the snarky/childish anti-Trump hashtags trending on Twitter recently? I don't follow many political accounts (majority of political accounts I do follow are fairly conservative), and I've been getting bombarded with anti-Trump trends.
 
The one thing I've never been able to get a straight answer to is, should the stars align and somehow Trump gets impeached and Mike "shock the gay away" Pence becomes President...then what?

What's the end goal here?

Do the DNC want Pence to become POTUS? Have they not understood what his platform would be?

Are they so blinded by narccism and impotent rage that they would welcome a hard core right wing religious fundamentalist simply to defeat Trump?

Are they that morally broken that they would openly welcome this event? So long as it means Trump loses?

Holy shit...in my view the progressive left has gone completely insane just becuase Trump did what they told him he could never do


He won.
 
One thing I've always noticed about TDSers is how they always attribute blind faith in Trump to conservatives, if not outright lower intelligence than liberals.
The least passionate AOC supporter is more diehard than the most hardcore Trump supporter. They absolutely love her and for what?

At least with Trump, he fucked a pornstar who ended up paying him by the way, married a model and flies between his New York penthouse and Florida resort in his private jet. Compare that to Sandy O. who has been evicted multiple times and didn't even have the money to put down first, last and a security deposit when moving to DC.
 
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Get reckted.
IF true, that's petty as fuck, and kind of a dick move to make everybody do extra work just so Trump wouldn't have to see the name John McCain. But on the other hand, fuck John McCain.
Yeah that's the thing... given everything else that's gone on as "fake" around Trump, I'd like to see more confirmation of that news before believing it.
 
Except, isn't the USS John McCain named after https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_S._McCain_Sr.

Not John "Corpse Holding Tight to a Senate Desk" McCain

Edit: OK, apparently the Navy did a rededication on the ship to add John McCain the Tumor.

However, what's being overlooked is this interesting tidbit...

"The destroyer was involved in a collision with the merchant ship Alnic MC on 21 August 2017 off the coast of Singapore, which resulted in the deaths of ten of her crew, and left another five injured. This event occurred a little over two months after a collision between USS Fitzgerald and MV ACX Crystal resulted in fatalities.
While the ship was undergoing repairs at Yokosuka Naval Base in May 2019, President Donald Trump paid a visit to the nearby USS Wasp, with the White House requesting in advance that the John S. McCain be moved “out of sight.” The ship could not be moved, but its name was obscured with a tarp and later a barge."

Gee, I wonder why?

Naw, must have to do with Trump's "Feud" with a dead man.
 
Yeah that's the thing... given everything else that's gone on as "fake" around Trump, I'd like to see more confirmation of that news before believing it.


The relevant part of the article:

In a May 15 email to U.S. Navy and Air Force officials, a U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official outlined plans for the president’s arrival that he said had resulted from conversations between the White House Military Office and the Seventh Fleet of the U.S. Navy. In addition to instructions for the proper landing areas for helicopters and preparation for the USS Wasp—where the president was scheduled to speak—the official issued a third directive: “USS John McCain needs to be out of sight.”

“Please confirm #3 will be satisfied,” the official wrote.

When a Navy commander expressed surprise about the directive for the USS John S. McCain, the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official replied: “First I heard of it as well.” He said he would work with the White House Military Office to obtain more information about the order.

Acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan was aware of the concern about the presence of the USS John McCain in Japan and approved measures to ensure it didn’t interfere with the president’s visit, a U.S. official said.

There were discussions within the U.S. military over the past week about how to handle the warship, another U.S. official said. The ship is being repaired after a 2017 collision, and any ship undergoing such repair or maintenance would be difficult to move, officials said. A tarp was hung over the ship’s name ahead of the president’s trip, according to photos reviewed by the Journal, and sailors were directed to remove any coverings from the ship that bore its name. After the tarp was taken down, a barge was moved closer to the ship, obscuring its name. Navy officials acknowledge the barge was moved but said it was not moved to obscure the name of the ship. Sailors on the ship, who typically wear caps bearing its name, were given the day off during Mr. Trump’s visit, people familiar with the matter said.

It could be that the sailors were given the day off to spectate the president's visit, they probably didn't even consider that. How many crew are even still on the ship if it's being repaired? Perhaps they didn't want a damaged ship in view. There's so many questions that they never ask when it comes to things like this. Anything to make Trump look weak or bad is the MO when it comes to the press and it's disgusting.


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