Carlos Maza / @gaywonk versus Steven Blake Crowder / @scrowder (#VoxAdpocalypse) - Twitter war between a Canadian in nationality and a Canadian in behavior

Godzilla@1989 said:
Has Vox been struggling right now? Would they be better off if they sack Carlos?
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NBCUniversal Invests $200 Million in Vox Media

Parent company Comcast already has a stake in Vox Media through its investment arm, Comcast Ventures.
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They have big backing, so even if their losing money they'll survive.
Carlos stars in more of their youtube videos then any other employee, which I imagine is their main source of income because of the high views. So it would be a huge risk to fire him as he's kind of the face of Vox.
 
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Arm Pit Cream said:
www.hollywoodreporter.com

NBCUniversal Invests $200 Million in Vox Media

Parent company Comcast already has a stake in Vox Media through its investment arm, Comcast Ventures.
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
They have big backing, so even if their losing money they'll survive.
Carlos stars in more of their youtube videos then any other employee, which I imagine is their main source of income because of the high views. So it would be a huge risk to fire him as he's kind of the face of Vox.
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So he’s like what Yahtzee is to the Escapist then.

I imagine though he’ll end up being a MovieBob soon and sperg the fuck out so hard it’ll hurt Vox.
 
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Big Content post, Sorry if something has already been posted.

https://www.out.com/news-opinion/2018/12/21/both-sides-argument-doesnt-include-hate-speech (Archive)

From the set of Tucker Carlson Tonight, Fox’s foremost talking head launders hatred through the character of a journalistic news host, fraying the brains of his viewers with a potent mix of paranoia and xenophobia presented as fact. Vox’s Carlos Maza has spent the past two years cataloging Carlson’s white supremacy, and the means by which it masquerades as journalism.


“Fox is set up to not clearly demarcate between what is opinion and what is news,” he said on a call with Out. “They don’t hold their host to journalistic standards, and so Carlson is able to distribute deliberately misleading information.” That deliberately misleading information is often indistinguishable from the stuff of genocidal propaganda. “It’s the classic model in which a marginalized group is targeted through the idea that they are undermining the value of the nation state,” Maza explained.

(Vox article that the OP vid came from)
https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/11/...rassment-abuse-twitter-free-speech-experiment (Archive)

At its inception, Twitter was designed to be a kind of radical experiment in free speech.

Some retarded blog post about bullying
http://equalitymatters.org/blog/201310220002 (Archive)

As Levine points out, both Bream and Webb fail to distinguish between acts of bullying – which typically target an individual and involve personal attacks – and purely political speech.

He's a big boy with Big Ideas
https://cdt.org/blog/tech-talk-the-powers-and-perils-of-speech-online/ (Archive)

We first hear from Carlos Maza (lolarchive), a video producer at Vox, who questions whether the best ideas always wins in the digital marketplace of ideas.

"You don't Understand, I am for Free Speech, guise"
https://cdt.org/blog/free-speech-is-a-moving-target/ (Archive)

"And does shutting down “bad speech” really cause such speech to proliferate underground, underneath the current monopolistic landscape of giant tech platforms?"

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Godzilla@1989 said:
So he’s like what Yahtzee is to the Escapist then.

I imagine though he’ll end up being a MovieBob soon and sperg the fuck out so hard it’ll hurt Vox.
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Carlos is more important to Vox then Yahtzee is to The Escapist, Carlos is one if the top union members if I recall correctly. Both are very important to the survival of the brand of these failing media brands.

I think you're underestimating how delusional these San Fran journos are, they're hardcore leftists that think punching nazis is the coolest stuff around. I'm sure they genuinely believe and support Carlos.
 
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Sam Losco said:
Why is "Veteran Status" on the list of things you can no longer talk about? Is YT trying to get rid of the stolen valor channels?
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They're aligning the list of protected groups with groups typically listed in anti-discrimination legislation. By including "veteran status" they can point at various state and federal laws for cover. It sounds better to say they "modeled it on existing law" than "we pulled this list out of our ass."
 
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Absorbed said:
After stepping back for a while and looking at the whole situation, you two are very much spot on, there's no conspiracy, no Vox trying to take down Youtube.

Carlos makes videos for Vox showing his ugly face in front of the camera, he is in an open relationship, he posts dickpix and gay cuck porn on Reddit. I searched some keywords on his Twitter and found a few interesting tweets

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Tweets 1, 2, 3, 4

The first tweet is just 2 months old, responding to Crowder saying videos like that don't bother him. 2nd one, last year September, posted ~6 months after the tweet I posted yesterday where he said Crowder doesn't bother him, but suddenly he does? 3rd tweet, he's mostly joking about it in replies. Last, 4th tweet, posted on the same day as he started this whole drama, again, he seems perfectly calm.

What I'm trying to establish is that Carlos is a massive attention whore. All the open relationships shit, posting porn on reddit, Tweets where he constantly flips his opinions and tries new things to get attention. As the 2nd screen, hell even the 4th one shows, he tried to do this "I'm being bullied" shtick multiple times in the past.

This time though, he detailed it much more, convenient timing just as Pride month was starting certainly helped, so did exposure boost from Twitter and all the articles written - I wonder if he tipped off some Twitter and journo friends before he went on his rant.

As others have said, getting Crowder demonetized or deplatformed doesn't help Vox at all, as these rule changes usually fuck up the platform as a whole, not just specific creators. And this guy works for the video team as far as I'm aware, and Youtube getting worse would only encourage them to shrink that department and either move him to a different one or fire him. I don't think trying to move Youtube audience back to websites like Vox works either, it's more likely they'll move to other social media like Twitter/FB or follow the old creators. Though Memology's point about the Vox union shit might have influenced Carlos to do this, maybe he wants to get hired elsewhere.

All in all, this is basically just 1 guy sniffing an opportunity to gain relevance and get his 15 minutes of fame by weaponizing outrage, and possibly use this as a career advencement, since everyone knows his name now - no big conspiracy here.
Meanwhile, Crowder, even if he's demonetized and deplatformed, doesn't lose all that much, he already has a platform outside Youtube and doesn't need their monetizing, and he's jerking off this a lot just like Carlos and is trying to direct his audience there instead of Youtube. The figs thing is also pathetic, great joke there Steven.

Grifters and attention whores will get what they want and continue their careers while hiding behind bigger goals like "free speech" or "bigotry on Youtube", smaller innocent creators get hit, Youtube gets that little bit worse, and in 1 week we'll all forget this.
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Surprise surprise a gay guy is an attention whore who didn't see that coming.
 
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Also, just for the numbers, guys for you people of showing how Crowder won't really be affected by this with his Mug Club $99 or $69 donations.

Assuming 100,000 people are paying $99 dollars a year for mugs. Assume that a small fraction of his subs, relatively small is paying 99 bucks a year.

100,000*99 = 9, 900,000

If we assume that 100,000 people or so are paying $69, $6,900,000.

Yeah...I think Crowder is merely profiting off of his show on his YT channel maybe to pay off back payments or so. With his cable TV-like business model, he's COMPLETELY fine without his YT channel. They're paying him that amount A YEAR. That's a load of money right there. I do believe there's at least that amount of people watching the full show. AT LEAST. That amount of money is almost 2/3 of the funding that one school in my county gets, so...yeah. That plus the t-shirts or whatnot from non-fans too and the shop, that's a ton of cash. So him going on about how his staff "relies on the Youtube revenue" really shows he's kind of bluffing just for them netbux, my guys. Crowder has way too much of a nice-ass house for him to be worried:

 
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The Pink Panther said:
Yeah...I think Crowder is merely profiting off of his show on his YT channel maybe to pay off back payments or so. With his cable TV-like business model, he's COMPLETELY fine without his YT channel. They're paying him that amount A YEAR. That's a load of money right there. I do believe there's at least that amount of people watching the full show. AT LEAST. That plus the t-shirts or whatnot from non-fans too and the shop, that's a ton of cash. So him going on about how his staff "relies on the Youtube revenue" really shows he's kind of bluffing.
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Hes never said he relies on YouTube for revenue as far as im aware. He usually says he is entirely funded by Mug Club, that Mug Club is what makes the show happen. But YouTube is vitally important to his future because YouTube grows his audience and gives him mass marketing so more people become aware of him and what he does and to gain him fans willing to spend money on him annually. Without that he will quickly stagnate in new subscriptions and lose revenue over time through trickling losses.
 
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Funny how YouTube also Thanos'd my favorite channel BUDS131 for "bullying". For those not in the know, BUDS131 was Don Shipley, a former SEAL who busts phonies and other stolen valor scum. He also busted Nathaniel Phillips when he claimed Vietnam veteran status with the Covington HS debacle.

Note that the new policies have 'veteran status' as a protected category. Maza helped make stolen valor, a federal crime, protected. Fuck this guy.
 
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