DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[Nigel of Ukip]

Was bored, sorry guys.

 

[Forbidden Math]

What I think I find funniest about DSP rants and ravings about other content creators who do something wrong (often leading to Phil implying they shouldn't make any money...) is that he is the person with the absolute least credibility to be attempting to warn others of someone fucking up.

I know you're reading this Phil, color inside your lines clown man and just be happy people still come and give your ass money because the fact is you're in no position to be looking down on anyone from the moral/monetary/career pit you're standing in.

 

[whereicantfollow]

So I've actually wondered this quite a bit about Phil after seeing some other content creators. If you're a viewer of Phil what does he bring to the table in terms of content creation? He has the personality of a salted slug and he offers no unique insight on games. He literally admits to just trawling through twitter feeds seeing what the public opinion is and then regurgitates it. His gameplay has the skill and finesse of Helen Keller trying to thread a needle. No speedruns, no strategy, no interesting factoids about the games developers or some shit. Just a middle age man on a jizz stained coach playing through a video game.

At least back in 2008-12 or whenever the fuck he was at his peak, he was at least offering a ton of gameplay on a variety of games.

 

[PieceofShet]

This is the same dude that filmed himself showering in his bathroom.

TWICE

One for money and fun. Second time for money only.

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

So I've actually wondered this quite a bit about Phil after seeing some other content creators. If you're a viewer of Phil what does he bring to the table in terms of content creation? He has the personality of a salted slug and he offers no unique insight on games. He literally admits to just trawling through twitter feeds seeing what the public opinion is and then regurgitates it. His gameplay has the skill and finesse of Helen Keller trying to thread a needle. No speedruns, no strategy, no interesting factoids about the games developers or some shit. Just a middle age man on a jizz stained coach playing through a video game.

At least back in 2008-12 or whenever the fuck he was at his peak, he was at least offering a ton of gameplay on a variety of games.

What is reason Phil's fans love him? I don't know. If we could only find some commonality between Sidella, Rob Warren, Superblindman, and Lutherkujo...

 

[Malagor the dank omen]

So I've actually wondered this quite a bit about Phil after seeing some other content creators. If you're a viewer of Phil what does he bring to the table in terms of content creation? He has the personality of a salted slug and he offers no unique insight on games. He literally admits to just trawling through twitter feeds seeing what the public opinion is and then regurgitates it. His gameplay has the skill and finesse of Helen Keller trying to thread a needle. No speedruns, no strategy, no interesting factoids about the games developers or some shit. Just a middle age man on a jizz stained coach playing through a video game.

At least back in 2008-12 or whenever the fuck he was at his peak, he was at least offering a ton of gameplay on a variety of games.

This is something of a personal story i have relating to DSP, because i mostly became interested about him thanks to TIHYDP vids. Initially i really disliked him but in time the general dislike for his habits died down and i started to appreciate him. But appreciate what? His shittiness. The thing is that if DSP embraced a clown persona that fucks up at everything (not hard for him) and stopped being a general ass, he would be somewhat likeable if just for pointing out and laughing at him for being generally bad at games. The thing is that he obviously doesn't like the games he plays and he rages too much because he takes the game as something serious, therefore aggravating his anger at some times (check out his fight against the chained ogre in Sekiro). If he enjoyed games and took a laugh at himself every now and then when he fucks up, he would be ok.

Right now, the only good thing about DSP is his perseverance. He died 60 times against Ludwig, 73 against Gundyr and nearly 50 against Ukbuk the black. He's commendable for ramming his head against the wall time and time again, but we gotta remember he ragequitted Persona 3 on easy.

 

[Pargon]

He's commendable for ramming his head against the wall time and time again

His perseverance would be laudable if and only if he had the intellect or empathy to put it toward something beneficial to humanity. Bull-headed stubbornness used for personal gain is only due applause when the person is somehow disadvantaged. If they have actual adversity to overcome. Then it becomes a story of hope.

All of Phil's disadvantages are self-imposed, and the things he puts his all into service only himself and his slothful lifestyle. As others have said, no one works harder at being lazy than Phil. If his limp neurons could fire randomly enough for him to devise a manner of supporting his lifestyle that required even less work on his part, he'd hang up streaming and we'd never hear from him again.

 

[Eugene Drizzledick]

What is reason Phil's fans love him?

He's been around a long time, and for those people who are appear mid-late 20s, they grew up watching Phil struggling at games like they did. We mock Phil for his 11 year legacy, but there is some value to it.

What I don't understand are the recent young teen paypigs blowing their graduation money on Phil. How does Phil attract any new viewers, besides detractors who come across his endless library mocking him?

 

[Comma]

He'll talk shit about other streamers all day long and say they dye their hair and wear clown makeup, but he won't name names to avoid getting popped for targeted harassment.

He has named Ninja directly while making fun of his dyed hair, though. Here's a clip of one instance, but if I remember correctly he has done this more than once with Ninja as the subject:

See, that's the part I don't get: he gets banned for making fun of someone having a blue beard after that person critized DSP in his chat. So you could say he was being provoked, but he gets a ban anyway. Maybe the provoking was a reason to cut the ban short in the end, who knows. But then, not even a year later, we have DSP talking massive shit about someone's blue hair who is literally minding is own business, and he get's away scot-free.

As was mentioned earlier, it might come down to different people from Twitch staff judging things differently, but that would mean that either 1) his "cases" have been handled by the same person or group of people multiple times (or in rotation), who apparantly haven't found a single reason to issue a ban, or 2) his "cases" have been handled by completely different people every single time, who also haven't seen a reason to deem the ToS/community guidelines broken.

And with "cases" I mean every occurance of him doing/saying something stupid, like shit talking someone way bigger than he is, which undoubtedly nets him tons of reports per occurance (which at the same time is probably detrimental to the goal one is trying to reach). Maybe people at Twitch don't even read all DSP reports anymore, simply because of the possible sheer amount and/or frequency of them. Though, rate me optimistic, but I can't shake the feeling he will go too far at some point, like he pretty much always does. Or maybe at some point it's a cumulative thing, and they (Twitch) have been keeping a list of things.

I dunno, doods. It's just weird.

 

[SkippyLongbottom]

He has named Ninja directly while making fun of his dyed hair, though. Here's a clip of one instance, but if I remember correctly he has done this more than once with Ninja as the subject:
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See, that's the part I don't get: he gets banned for making fun of someone having a blue beard after that person critized DSP in his chat. So you could say he was being provoked, but he gets a ban anyway. Maybe the provoking was a reason to cut the ban short in the end, who knows. But then, not even a year later, we have DSP talking massive shit about someone's blue hair who is literally minding is own business, and he get's away scot-free.

As was mentioned earlier, it might come down to different people from Twitch staff judging things differently, but that would mean that either 1) his "cases" have been handled by the same person or group of people multiple times (or in rotation), who apparantly haven't found a single reason to issue a ban, or 2) his "cases" have been handled by completely different people every single time, who also haven't seen a reason to deem the ToS/community guidelines broken.

And with "cases" I mean every occurance of him doing/saying something stupid, like shit talking someone way bigger than he is, which undoubtedly nets him tons of reports per occurance (which at the same time is probably detrimental to the goal one is trying to reach). Maybe people at Twitch don't even read all DSP reports anymore, simply because of the possible sheer amount and/or frequency of them. Though, rate me optimistic, but I can't shake the feeling he will go too far at some point, like he pretty much always does. Or maybe at some point it's a cumulative thing, and they (Twitch) have been keeping a list of things.

I dunno, doods. It's just weird.

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The issue is definitely on twitch handling being biased because it depends on who issues these sort of things. All those autistic mass reports and Phil's cries on the dirty trolls, might have worked in his favor here.

And with twitch's stupid guidelines, that if it doesn't appear on vods, it never happened. Which is why thots like Affinity are told to delete vods if a mess up happens, and why Phil never keeps them up at all.

 

[Funko Pops NFT collector]

He's been around a long time, and for those people who are appear mid-late 20s, they grew up watching Phil struggling at games like they did. We mock Phil for his 11 year legacy, but there is some value to it.

What I don't understand are the recent young teen paypigs blowing their graduation money on Phil. How does Phil attract any new viewers, besides detractors who come across his endless library mocking him?

Phil is very infamous,so most likely someone hears a content creator mocking him and decide to check Phil out,since Phil is extremly toxic and boring to the edge of physical pain,95%(or more) of the people who check him out realize that he deserves to be mocked,but about 5%(or less) of the people that decide to check him out are the human manifestation of a wheelchair symbol and they come to the conclusion that Phil is the most entretaining and realest mother fucker on the internet and that he is just misunderstood,its not unlikely to think that 1 in every 20 people(or less than that) are exceptional.

Thats the theory I go for as to why he gets new viewers.

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

My understanding of the ban was not just Phil making fun of a guy's blue beard. He scrolled over his avatar and brought it on screen and then made fun of his appearance. He didn't just mock dyed hair, he pointed out a specific person, put his picture on screen, and called him an idiot.

Maybe just saying someone is an idiot isn't ban worthy. Putting someone on screen and saying that specific person is an idiot might have been what crossed the line.

 

[Madmartigan]

Anyone trying to psychoanalyze the actions (or lack of actions) of twitch moderators are just wasting their time.
Phil, like every other streamer on Twitch, will be around for exactly as long as those in charge want him to be.
It's pretty much common knowledge to anyone that follows Twitch stuff that their moderators definitely "play favorites", and make decisions based on a streamer's popularity, and their personal feelings toward them.
They do occasionally slap big streamers on the wrist with a suspension of a day or two just for show, but they will not permanently ban any partner unless they've already made the decision they don't want them around anymore.
You've got people like LegendaryLea that literally showed her fucking pussy on stream (among other things), still streaming on the site. And now you've got Dr. Disrespect who streamed in E3 bathrooms (which I think may actually be against the law), who I can assure you will not be permanently banned.
With all of the rules Twitch has, I'm sure Phil has broken enough of them to earn enough strikes for a ban. Regardless, he'll be around until someone in charge decides "ok, fuck this guy, let's get him off the platform."

 

[actually]

See, that's the part I don't get: he gets banned for making fun of someone having a blue beard after that person critized DSP in his chat. So you could say he was being provoked, but he gets a ban anyway. Maybe the provoking was a reason to cut the ban short in the end, who knows. But then, not even a year later, we have DSP talking massive shit about someone's blue hair who is literally minding is own business, and he get's away scot-free.

As was mentioned earlier, it might come down to different people from Twitch staff judging things differently, but that would mean that either 1) his "cases" have been handled by the same person or group of people multiple times (or in rotation), who apparantly haven't found a single reason to issue a ban, or 2) his "cases" have been handled by completely different people every single time, who also haven't seen a reason to deem the ToS/community guidelines broken.

It could also be dependent on whether the victim themselves makes the complaint. Phil immediately deleted his tweet related to Ninja (something about muppets with blue hair) when he was told (by a detractor, I think) that someone had let Ninja know about it and Ninja had responded with a "Thanks for the heads-up, I'll look into it" type of answer.

 

[Eugene Drizzledick]

On Phil's day off to spend with Kat, HIS WIFE, it makes me think how strange it is that there's no reports of people seeing him or Kat IRL. I'm not suggesting anyone stalk him, but we all know where he lives, he states his days off, one can guess the few places he'd go, yet nothing.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

It could also be dependent on whether the victim themselves makes the complaint. Phil immediately deleted his tweet related to Ninja (something about muppets with blue hair) when he was told (by a detractor, I think) that someone had let Ninja know about it and Ninja had responded with a "Thanks for the heads-up, I'll look into it" type of answer.

I think this is the biggest thing. If Ninja went to Twitch staff about Phil, that'd be the end of Phil. Even if the dude didn't have evidence, he could just say he was offended by what Phil did. But if 200 people report the same clip saying they are offended on Ninja's behalf, I think the most Twitch could do is say they're looking into it and send a generic copy/pasted message to Phil with the few sentences of the TOS saying don't be abusive/harass people. Streamers like Ninja are just smart enough/don't care to get dragged into the goutsphere because there is nothing to gain from engaging in Phil's drama. It sucks for us because it denies us entertaining content, but it is 100% the right move on their part.

With the other blue haired dude, I'm pretty sure he was the one who directly filed the complaint which is why Twitch did something. But even in that clear cut case, it was what, a few days being banned? I know there are a few very specific instances of Twitch being over the top strict with streamers and handing out severe bans, but those are outlier cases where it was usually done for PR reasons. If they could have gotten away with their standard Twitch thing of doing the bare minimum and not get negative press, that's what they would have done. And that applies to anyone, not just Phil.

There's not a grand Twitch conspiracy protecting Phil. In the gout bubble, it feels like Phil is a much bigger asset to Twitch than he really is, but he really is small fry. I know it feels like Phil draws in an unreasonable amount of Twitch money for his paypigs, but you'd be surprised how much money larger streamers bring in. The big difference is they aren't toxic e-beggers, so they have a sustainable audience who give more frequent and reliable payments. Those streamers in turn take that money and invest it into streaming or play games based on what their audience wants or any number of other smart streaming decisions that keeps the money flowing. And unlike Phil, they're actually growing and getting more people who legitimately want to support the channel.

The only time Phil was really a stand out streamer was that brief moment where Tut (or one of the other big pay pigs) gifted a bunch of tier 3 subs, since even on big channels most people just stick with tier 1. But even then, I bet some of the larger streams were making more through their general tier one subs and just the sheer amount of cheers they get, which again, is sustainable while Phil's tier 3 sub record was done by the next month. In any event, he's not a huge golden cow for Twitch that needs to be protected. If anything I'd say it's the opposite, he's some small time rando who isn't worth policing because he has no influence whatsoever on the site.

 

[Salubrious]

Does it make me a bad person that just once, I'd like to see a big streamer with 20K viewers raid/host DSP just to see his reaction?

I know he got raided once by like 500 people and immediately shut off the stream because it was closing time. Just like he once shut off the stream right in the middle of one of Emerald Sevens Tier-3 cheer bombs.

 

[Freshtodeath]

On Phil's day off to spend with Kat, HIS WIFE, it makes me think how strange it is that there's no reports of people seeing him or Kat IRL. I'm not suggesting anyone stalk him, but we all know where he lives, he states his days off, one can guess the few places he'd go, yet nothing.

There have been some sightings. I believe one guy saw phil at IKEA and Phil completely ignored him. In general though I don't think many detractors live near Renton, Washington. On his days off Phil sleeps until 1pm then goes to target so if you really wanna see him it's not that hard.

 

[BTK]

On the topic of why do people like, watch, and support Phil, I have to say that's part of why I pay attention. I got into Phil from finding TIHYDP MGS2 and I thought it was a joke for the first few minutes, then I realized what was going on. I was amazed. Then as I got into the lore and really started consuming media, watching videos, reading forums, seeing more of his personality, I wondered how he could be around for so long as such a horrible "entertainer." How does this guy make money? How does he live life?

But the focus is typically on him and how bad he is and what he does. I have seen people get close to my current curiosity, but never expand on it. And maybe it's in this 4,000 post thread, but I just mean I personally haven't seen too many people discuss it... And what I am referring to is what other people offer that he doesn't. And I mean that as a very kinda separate thing from what does Phil not do that he should. There's plenty of talk about how Phil could fix his problems.

I don't mean to sound like I'm the first person to think of this because I fully understand I'm nobody special. But I guess an example of what I mean is:

I decide to watch someone stream a game (which I already don't understand. I watch walkthroughs/guides for when I can't figure something out, or I watch impressive feats like really cool speedruns, or things like the guy that beat God of War's hardest boss on GMGoW [the hardest difficulty] at level 1 without taking damage), so I go to Twitch. I somehow come to picking between some regular streamer and DSP.

Let's say they're both playing uh... Some team based game. Like a team death match. Now, Phil of course plays his online multiplayer games with chat all blocked and muted, so there's no social interaction there. This means he's now just wandering around doing who knows wtf. So he's not helping his team win. He sucks at games so he's probably getting destroyed. And then of course there's the bitching and excuses and bad jokes, etc. We all know this.

If I look at most any other streamer, and I don't know much about streaming culture because like I said, I don't watch it much because I'd rather play the game myself, but this is a whole hypothetical situation anyway. If I look at another streamer, chances seem to me to be high that he will have his chat unmuted and will probably interact with his teammates. Maybe they're friends of his already and it's a premade, or maybe he joined a group of randos. He will probably be decent enough a human being that if there's not an already toxic group of people there when he joins, that he will strike up a conversation or join in one that's already going. Maybe he makes friends with one or two or all of his team. They communicate, they play the objective, they cooperate to play well. Maybe they begin streaming, or if he already has friends that stream, then I can follow them, too. I can get involved in their group. There's more incentive for me to watch and pay attention to their interactions because they're friends and they're having fun. There's more a chance for in-jokes that makes me feel like part of their group the longer I follow them. That in turn makes me more likely to support not just the streamer I started watching, but his whole group.

My alternative is some antisocial curmudgeon sitting in the boringest, saddest little room, doing poorly at games and talking about all this horrible shit in his life that I'M TRYING TO ESCAPE FROM IN MY OWN LIFE, PHIL. I play videogames and perhaps watch a streamer to get my mind off MY bills and personal shit. I give zero fucks that you got yourself into an unsustainable situation based on over optimism about how long you were gonna be making money, and now you can't keep up the lifestyle. He refuses to even entertain the idea of a lifestyle downgrade.

Sorry for the really long ass post but damn man. I had a lot to vent out before I got too angry and started really toeing that line of A-Logging.

 

[Royalty Free Fish Food]

In my A-Log dream universe, I’d hire a local PI to follow him around on a few off days and just see his habits in the real world. Take video of him, what he spends money on.

Just to see what his paypigs might do knowing how much money he wasted on garbage while he cries poverty.