Careercow Max Landis

[Greyfield]

That anyone would cheer for your form of justice is legitimately terrifying. Everyone deserves a defense, but that becomes impossible when the accusations are vague and anonymous. Even so, you already made a claim that was demonstrably untrue. You said John Landis murdered three people. Not only did the court find that be not true, he was never even charged with murder.

This is why you're afraid. It's not because Max Landis has extremely powerful lawyers, it's that someone might start poking holes in your story if it were put under an ounce of scrutiny. There's $24 million dollars in the Time's Up GoFundMe and you could easily make your own. You have the full support of the public and the media. Everyone is on your side, yet you want to claim otherwise.

Bill Cosby is sitting in a jail cell right now so don't try to feed us some bullshit about how the son of a washed up director is untouchable.

It was absolutely John Landis' fault that those people died. The fact that he got away with it was a miscarriage of justice and shows how money trumps justice in Hollywood. He may not have wanted to kill those kids, but his negligence and psychotic scheduling caused the accident. The very fact that those kids were there violated California labour laws. Thankfully, there were social consequences for his actions though, apparently he ended up friendless and blacklisted by countless people. Spielberg used to regularly visit the Landis home, but after that incident he avoided him like the plague.

Seriously, forget about this argument, forget about Max, and read up on this case. It is infuriating that John Landis is walking free after what he did.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

You said John Landis murdered three people. Not only did the court find that be not true, he was never even charged with murder.

Yeah, semantics seem the correct angle to address a dude who clearly paid his way out of responsibility in court that got 3 people (2 of which were kids) killed due to his shitty attitude towards safety taking a backseat to good looking footage.

You have the full support of the public and the media. Everyone is on your side, yet you want to claim otherwise.

The attention of the masses is a fickle thing.

I don't even really disagree, I just think you argue your point fairly poorly.
Everyone should have the ability to defend against accusations, otherwise it's just a witchhunt. Max Landis seems to have so many accusers, that it's hard to think it's all just fabrication, still without any kind of evidence or concrete accusations, it's still just a witchhunt.
One should not cheer for such a thing and Max should be held accountable in court, not by the judgement of Twitter.

 

[Gordon Cole]

Some more stories:

https://twitter.com/Ani_Easton/status/1138626687229235200 (http://archive.fo/xAZlN)


https://twitter.com/AllieGoertz/status/1138635783256936448 (http://archive.fo/ZjDMx)


https://twitter.com/Lee_Jameson/status/1138664582333968384 (http://archive.fo/ASl7X)


https://twitter.com/MaggieLevin/status/1138590763971780614 (http://archive.fo/Lsjza)


(Also jfc, is Max Landis really the hill you guys wanna die on?)

 

[Pargon]

(Also jfc, is Max Landis really the hill you guys wanna die on?)

As opposed to the umpteenth pile of hearsay?

Sure, why not.

 

[Eggman's Ghost]

Attempting to blacklist someone with "secret evidence" is the definition of ASKING for legal action.

I don't know how I can be more clear about this. The evidence isn't secret, I just can't show it to you/the internet. I also don't personally hold it all right now except for what pertains to my particular assault. We also have corroborating witnesses going on record for us in the article, which I was just told would run soon. That's really all I can give you right now. Sorry y'all

 

[Greyfield]

I mean it all sounds familiar. I've never heard of him beating someone up completely, but have heard of him hitting people.
First words out of his mouth if he feels he's even being challenged are 'I can ruin you.'
And humiliation/sadism (physically and emotionally) seems to be his biggest kink.

I didn't know he had a thread here. I'm going to catch it up over the weekend - not sure if the things I know haven't already been mentioned. I'm sure they have, the guy doesn't even try and hide shit.


OK, I'll bite: what exactly am I supposed to do? Other than believe and support people who've come to me about him and then encourage them to report it? Then, in turn, warn others about his behaviour?

Reminder: this hasn't happened to me. I managed to dodge most of his ire for not being 'above the line' talent. So I'm supposed to call up police and say "Jane Doe told me she was assaulted by Max Landis, go get him." Aside from being not how that works, what right do I have to tell her story? What if she doesn't want it out there?

I mean it's not even like I can go to the studio with it. If it didn't happen on one of their productions with one of their staff they don't give a shit because they're not liable. That's the cold hard truth.

So by deduction that leaves me one recourse: go blast someone else's horror story (that I can't prove) all over social media. That makes me no better than Zoe Quinn or Bex. I don't think Max should ever have been allowed the power and cache he has, and if I had it my way he'd never work in this industry again. But that's opinion, not fact. And I firmly fucking believe in going to police with this shit, not social media.

Which brings me back to this: I can only support, encourage and warn. It takes people of power to lead by example. It will take people much more powerful than I to effect any change, to down tools, to refuse to work for these people... to back the studios into a corner.

Wow, thanks for actually answering. And I agree with you, I think people saying you should immediately call the cops don't really understand how things run in Hollywood, especially for rich guys like Max.

I've got one last question, and this one isn't as clear cut. Why do you think Max does what he does? All of this, frankly doesn't make any sense to me. Like I get that he has a past as an abusive piece of shit, especially during his teen years and early twenties... but why is he still a piece of shit? Why did he abuse his last girlfriend, the last person in his corner, knowing how much heat was around him?

Is it all just kink to him? Does he hurt and humiliate people because he can't help it? What's driving this guy. There are plenty of bipolar people who don't do this shit, no one is forcing him to be this way still. He had everything to lose. #MeToo was in full swing and yet... he still destroyed his last remaining relationship, the last thing protecting him from the onslaught he is about to face. He mentioned that he was going to therapy and that he was working on himself a long while ago... but was all that just bullshit? He had the whole world handed to him, and he still fucked it up because he couldn't at least pretend not to be a monster for 2 seconds. I can't wrap my head around this guy.

 

[Gordon Cole]

As opposed to the umpteenth pile of hearsay?

Sure, why not.

Despite his own asshole actions, lack of defense from others and the many stories that consistently paint him as a terrible person both sexually and not, how is he innocent in your eyes?

 

[Red Hood]

Some more stories:

https://twitter.com/Ani_Easton/status/1138626687229235200 (http://archive.fo/xAZlN)
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https://twitter.com/AllieGoertz/status/1138635783256936448 (http://archive.fo/ZjDMx)
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https://twitter.com/Lee_Jameson/status/1138664582333968384 (http://archive.fo/ASl7X)
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https://twitter.com/MaggieLevin/status/1138590763971780614 (http://archive.fo/Lsjza)
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(Also jfc, is Max Landis really the hill you guys wanna die on?)

More than anything else I want the address of that Beetlejuice themed bar. Whether it's the movie or the WackPack member, I want to be at a Beetlejuice themed bar.

 

[Pargon]

Despite his own asshole actions, lack of defense from others and the many stories that consistently paint him as a terrible person both sexually and not, how is he innocent in your eyes?

A person being an asshole does not mean they deserve to be rendered persona non grata.

A lack of defense from rumor, particularly rumor circulating primarily in tight, close circles, means nothing.

Stories are stories. In some stories I'm a billionaire industrialist with a 24-hour erection and somehow am not the scarcely socially-acceptable goblin I actually am.

The latest post about him is using very loaded, very emotional language without leveling any actual accusations. When someone is described as a torturer it should be treated as the serious matter it is from all sides, not just the one that throws one person into the fire on the words of another.

 

[blackduck]

I wouldn't be surprised if all of these accusations are bullshit but I really dislike Max Landis and I'm pretty sure he positioned himself as a woke #believewomen male feminist on twitter prior to this so I really don't care if he's getting owned by his own ideology.

 

[Strange Looking Dog]

One thing I've noticed is that each subsequent MeToo incident is met with increased suspicion, and even hostility. For all the questionable good naming and shaming and "starting a conversation" might have done, it has also proportionally increased people's mistrust of these unverifiable accusations. The people who support this practice for ideological reasons may well find themselves more than disappointed with the results if this trend continues.

At some point you have to evaluate quantity as valuable in addition to quality.

So then if you were to say something enough times, it would become true? Sounds like a recipe for the dogpiling of unpopular or inconvenient people. Now don't go taking that as me saying Landis specifically is innocent either, from what I've seen so far it looks like some substantial amount of what has been leveled against him could be true, how much is verifiably true of course remains to be seen. Do not blame people for scrutinizing the insubstantial; as of course anyone can add an accusation to the pile.

The thread on Landis has been a thing for a while. We all know he’s a weirdo and also kind of a shitbag. I don’t know why when accusations amp up, suddenly there are people in thread white-knighting Landis and going “all these girls are LIARS”.

As a final note, what you're seeing is not "white knighting", it is something called principle; specifically that of innocent until proven guilty. Further, you seem to be purposefully failing to understand what's been said by others in this thread; most people aren't saying he's unconditionally innocent, most aren't even saying he's innocent --and ask yourself, who would? Does this guy even have fans?-- they are instead saying; "we'll wait and see". They are objecting to the process.

All that said, if he's guilty I hope they cut his balls off.

Don't you worry my man, the orchiectomy will solve that when this egg hatches

"Listen you guys, raping those chicks was just part of exploring of my suppressed gender identity!"


Oh look he's already half way there

 

[VA 540]

So then if you were to say something enough times, it would become true? Sounds like a recipe for the dogpiling of unpopular or inconvenient people. Now don't go taking that as me saying Landis specifically is innocent either, from what I've seen so far it looks like some substantial amount of what has been leveled against him could be true, how much is verifiably true of course remains to be seen. Do not blame people for scrutinizing the insubstantial; as of course anyone can add an accusation to the pile.

There are still conditions to evidence by virtue of quantity, but it’s still a valuable and valid measure of an accusation’s weight. If all of the accusing women were known to follow one another or spend time together, they could have collaboratively made a story.

However, when multiple accusations rise from unrelated people who have no reason or route to forge a scenario together, that’s a point toward Landis being found guilty.

Additionally: do the stories align?

If the accusers knew one another beforehand and their stories aligned, then it raises red flags for collaboration.

If the accusers didn’t know one another beforehand and the stories have notable differences, red flags arise for misconstruing the story, or for Landis having made a mistake, but not being a predator.

However, the accusers did not know each other, and many key details of their accounts align and show the same behavior from Landis. This points to Landis being a repeat, intentional offender, and the actual “villain” so to speak, and significantly decreases the likelihood of this being a “team of exaggerating girls takes down a celebrity they dislike” situation.

You can’t take quantity at face value, but the more accounts that surface from more sources that have no reason to collaborate, and share key details, it lends additional credibility to their claim that he’s a predator.

 

[Pargon]

There are still conditions to evidence by virtue of quantity, but it’s still a valuable and valid measure of an accusation’s weight. If all of the accusing women were known to follow one another or spend time together, they could have collaboratively made a story.

However, when multiple accusations rise from unrelated people who have no reason or route to forge a scenario together, that’s a point toward Landis being found guilty.

Additionally: do the stories align?

If the accusers knew one another beforehand and their stories aligned, then it raises red flags for collaboration.

If the accusers didn’t know one another beforehand and the stories have notable differences, red flags arise for misconstruing the story, or for Landis having made a mistake, but not being a predator.

However, the accusers did not know each other, and many key details of their accounts align and show the same behavior from Landis. This points to Landis being a repeat, intentional offender, and the actual “villain” so to speak, and significantly decreases the likelihood of this being a “team of exaggerating girls takes down a celebrity they dislike” situation.

You can’t take quantity at face value, but the more accounts that surface from more sources that have no reason to collaborate, and share key details, it lends additional credibility to their claim that he’s a predator.

It is ludicrously simple for a group of people to meet and collaborate surreptitiously on the internet. Cf. every actual extremist group. It is also simple for those people to find one another initially when they are, for example, discussing rumors about a public figure. I don't say this to scream "CONSPIRACY!", just to indicate that collusion is always extremely difficult to prove until screenshots of an IRC channel surface.

 

[Gordon Cole]

As a final note, what you're seeing is not "white knighting", it is something called principle; specifically that of innocent until proven guilty. Further, you seem to be purposefully failing to understand what's been said by others in this thread; most people aren't saying he's unconditionally innocent, most aren't even saying he's innocent --and ask yourself, who would? Does this guy even have fans?-- they are instead saying; "we'll wait and see". They are objecting to the process.

I've been with this thread from the jump and all y'all are crawling out of the woodwork slamming her instead of focusing on him. I don't even know who half you niggers are.

 

[Pargon]

I've been with this thread from the jump and all y'all are crawling out of the woodwork slamming her instead of focusing on him. I don't even know who half you niggers are.

No one cares how long you've been here.

If you want to see him slammed, there's no better way to see it done than for proof to come to light.

 

[BubbleButt]

However, when multiple accusations rise from unrelated people who have no reason or route to forge a scenario together, that’s a point toward Landis being found guilty.

I guess I don't understand why I should believe all this shit about Max just because some people with Kiwifarms accounts say he's done things when the same kind of shit happened to Vic Mignona for over a decade. Why should I just believe Max is guilty because of rumors and hearsay? This isn't fucking Twitter, guys.

 

[Gordon Cole]

No one cares how long you've been here.

As your grandpa, go to your room.

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

If it's really mostly his mom who's shielding him, she sounds like a real C U Next Wednesday.

 

[Man vs persistent rat]

A person being an asshole does not mean they deserve to be rendered persona non grata.

Sure it does - nobody wants to be around a piece of shit. Doesn't make him a rapist, and the claims may be exaggerated, but being unprofessional and awful to people around you is a great reason to freeze someone out of a circle and is not just a showbusiness thing. If he's not an asshole, just some sped who doesn't know etiquette that is maybe a different matter, but it's a matter of intent.

Fortunately Max appears to be loaded so can easily sue these people and we might get the truth in court.

 

[blackduck]

Is max still getting work or is there any confirmation he's been blacklisted?

I really doubt Max would sue even if he didn't actually do anything wrong. He seems like the kinda guy that would convince himself he was a piece of shit by 2019 standards and just disappear or try to work quietly.