Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I'm still wondering on, had she still lived, what Leia's storyline would have been. I'm still mad that she died, but at the same time I wonder if it was good so as to basically spare her from character assassination/derailment.

Obviously she was supposed to be all dark like ROTJ Luke but I wouldn't trust JJ.
 
I think most, if not all, of the problems with the Disney Star Wars can be attributed to them rushing into things head first without a plan.

I disagree. Lucas didn't have a plan, really, but when ANH became a surprise hit, he and his pals sat down and came up with one. They took what they'd already established, built on it, and let the story evolve naturally.

Disney doesn't do that. Instead, you have a diversity hire catlady writing department, Kathleen "muh feminism" Kennedy, and the marketing department that wants things as pablum and family-friendly as possible all breathing down the neck of anyone who actually tries to tell a story without checking the boxes demanded by all of the above. Look at how they've treated directors who step out line- Edwards got sidelined, and Miller and Lord got flat-out fired when they didn't do precisely what the Mouse wanted (or, in Edwards' case, did it a little too well.) Disney doesn't have story to tell. It has a checklist that it intends to put on the screen, and the story is just whatever can be used to string together each of the tick marks.
 
I can't imagine Boyega is happy at this point. He's been the most obviously enthusiastic Star Wars fan of the sequel cast. If any of the cast ends up blasting them in public at some point, it will be him (or a hammered Oscar Isaac).

Well, first Boyega was relegated to goofy comic relief, then coward, then comic relief. In between he was being shipped CONSTANTLY with Oscar Issac who ribbed him incessantly about it. It honestly bordered on sexual harassment with the way these people were talking to him. So that's pretty uncomfortable.

Then he's pretty much useless, completely and utterly, in TLJ until he has the chance to save his friends in a noble self-sacrifice which would complete his character arc. Then Rose slams into him, risking killing them both. Not for any good reason mind you, but for the reason, "“We’re going to win this war, not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love." She kisses Finn emotionlessly while the laser is about to murder all of their friends. It is one of the stupidest lines ever uttered about war. No. Winning a war is about sacrifice. War is horrific. Men (99% of the time) die through sacrifice and planning. War has costs. It requires the strength of will that Finn had, knowing he was going to die, to deal a great blow to the enemy. That's an amazing arc for the character. Looking death in the face, accepting your death so the war could be one. Not to mention he WAS saving what he loved, his friends. Finn literally looks at her like she's mentally retarded in the scene when she says these lines. Like I think Boyega just could not muster anything else than that in that moment, and I don't blame him. She basically just gives him a peck on the lips because he barely returns it in any way.

I would have, no joke, punched her square in the fucking face. You risked killing yourself, you risked killing me, for what? Because you're in love with me and acted recklessly and selfishly, relegating everyone else to death? Fuck yourself. Its not like she knew Luke was going to appear.

Then because he wanted to kill Luke to perfect this shitpile of a film, he has Luke teleport in, steal Finn's moment and then dies. So Finn's arc is actually completed. He now has nothing to do but accept a paycheck.

I think most, if not all, of the problems with the Disney Star Wars can be attributed to them rushing into things head first without a plan.

Disney got this property and they had all these new toys to play with and they just had to make it as fast as possible.

The end result was a trilogy that had the first film basically be a remake of the the original 1977 classic, a sequel that undoes all that was set up in VII, and now we have a third movie that looks to be undoing all that was undone in VIII. They clearly did not have a plan in place and just made these movies by the seat of their pants and it shows. Say what you want about the prequels (and lord knows I could say plenty) but at least it was all one vision and one narrative...not a coherent, well written, or well executed one, but at least its all one narrative. The new ST has all the signs of just "doing it for the sake of doing it" when this is something that should have been carefully constructed,

Even worse, they decided to do the inbetween films like Rogue One and Solo to do the Marvel shared universe format, but Star Wars has always worked as big event films. It is very hard to do that when there is a film every year. They feel a lot less special then. Granted, I actually liked Rogue One for what it was and maybe doing stand alones every three years instead of ST films might have been better, but in any case, they put way too much on their plate way too quickly, and that creates the mess we have now.

While I do not disagree Disney rushed things, I think the main problem was that Disney did NOT want to use ANY material from the old universe. AT. ALL. They clearly wanted an entirely new demographic. They wanted to shorn themselves completely of George Lucas, his vision, BOTH in the OT and the Prequels and especially the EU. The major problem with this is that your established fan base has been en-scorched in these properties for literally their entire lives with a love and appreciation for the OT and the EU. They then made the worst decision they could: Go scorched Earth. OT was out, new was in. Get rid of the Skywalker shit as fast as possible. The easiest and simplest thing would be to use the Thrawn Trilogy and just re-cast everyone. This makes sense on two levels: One, The Thrawn Trilogy is attributed to re-vitalizing interest in Star Wars and basically kick-started the franchise into what we see to modern day. Two, You can get your younger actors introduced to a new audience. Fresh and young, breathe new life into these characters. Three, everyone on the planet Earth is familiar with the Star Wars story. Its pop-culture legend. You don't need to re-boot or soft-reboot it. The knowledge is there. Darth Vader dies, the Emperor dies, Luke becomes Jedi. That's all you need to know. Then you get really everything you need. You get your strong female lead in Mara Jade, a host of cool characters, new lore a fun adventure and a thrilling series over all.

But the plan was to basically obliterate the property they purchased. Why they would do this, I have absolutely 0 idea. Studios do this. all. the. time. They buy these properties and then ignore what made them popular and are utterly shocked when they bomb. Like the damage done to Star Wars is pretty fucking bad. The brand is in the toilet right now. Even the new themepark is all Disney Starwars only with the exception of the 'new' Millenium Falcon. Why? Nobody wants that shit. They want old locations. They want Tatooine. They don't want random planet name nobody has heard of. Even the most casual person knows the look of the planet. What the fuck are you doing? Are you doing this because you're spiting all these fans? Like, even prequel fans, who are younger aren't going to buy into this.

I don't understand their motivation. They're like, "We're the Starwars now. You'll like it or else." People have the EU novels. They've got the old comics. The old games, the old trilogy. They're nowhere near as decent as the Marvel films. You've just hired probably the two worst and most hated creative project leads on the planet right now, D&D from Game of Thrones. People have other shit they could go to.

This is the problem with the Mouse in entertainment. Now everything is diversity checkboxes and making shit as bland and meaningless as possible to sell merch. Which nobody is not fucking buying. I mean, they've crashed a 4 billion dollar IP in only like 3 years. That's fucking impressive.

I'm still wondering on, had she still lived, what Leia's storyline would have been. I'm still mad that she died, but at the same time I wonder if it was good so as to basically spare her from character assassination/derailment.

Obviously she was supposed to be all dark like ROTJ Luke but I wouldn't trust JJ.

...she didn't die though? Unless you're mad at Carrie Fisher dying.
 
I'm still wondering on, had she still lived, what Leia's storyline would have been. I'm still mad that she died, but at the same time I wonder if it was good so as to basically spare her from character assassination/derailment.

Obviously she was supposed to be all dark like ROTJ Luke but I wouldn't trust JJ.
Like most of this trilogy's setup, there's no mention of what they had planned, especially in regards to Leia, just that Rey was supposed to be the new hero and save everyone. But no doubt that they were going to fuck up Leia's character just as bad as they did the rest.

On another note, we all know that Disney-Lucasfilm supposedly went back to George for ideas because they're that desperate, but so far there's no detail on what he's influenced since IX had no real script (according to JJ) or a proper set up (which is looking pretty bad according to a lot of word of mouth), but according to some rumors going around, the part George did have involvement in was having them make 3PO and R2 return as main characters for this movie despite having been pushed aside to make room for BB-8 and his merch (with R2 getting the worst of it by JJ having him shut down for almost a decade for no real reason other than to guard some fucking macguffin while 3PO just gets relegated to a red arm joke), which is why they're suddenly back in merchandise and why they play a bigger role in IX, supposedly because George reminded them that the story is mostly told from 3PO and R2's perspectives in this fucking saga (much like the characters they were based on, Tahei and Matashichi from The Hidden Fortress), but no doubt they'll find a way to butcher the two droids now that they're back in the spotlight in order to prop up BB-8 and his pointless lamp sidekick's merch.

Well, first Boyega was relegated to goofy comic relief, then coward, then comic relief. In between he was being shipped CONSTANTLY with Oscar Issac who ribbed him incessantly about it. It honestly bordered on sexual harassment with the way these people were talking to him. So that's pretty uncomfortable.

Then he's pretty much useless, completely and utterly, in TLJ until he has the chance to save his friends in a noble self-sacrifice which would complete his character arc. Then Rose slams into him, risking killing them both. Not for any good reason mind you, but for the reason, "“We’re going to win this war, not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love." She kisses Finn emotionlessly while the laser is about to murder all of their friends. It is one of the stupidest lines ever uttered about war. No. Winning a war is about sacrifice. War is horrific. Men (99% of the time) die through sacrifice and planning. War has costs. It requires the strength of will that Finn had, knowing he was going to die, to deal a great blow to the enemy. That's an amazing arc for the character. Looking death in the face, accepting your death so the war could be one. Not to mention he WAS saving what he loved, his friends. Finn literally looks at her like she's mentally exceptional in the scene when she says these lines. Like I think Boyega just could not muster anything else than that in that moment, and I don't blame him. She basically just gives him a peck on the lips because he barely returns it in any way.

I would have, no joke, punched her square in the fucking face. You risked killing yourself, you risked killing me, for what? Because you're in love with me and acted recklessly and selfishly, relegating everyone else to death? Fuck yourself. Its not like she knew Luke was going to appear.

Then because he wanted to kill Luke to perfect this shitpile of a film, he has Luke teleport in, steal Finn's moment and then dies. So Finn's arc is actually completed. He now has nothing to do but accept a paycheck.



While I do not disagree Disney rushed things, I think the main problem was that Disney did NOT want to use ANY material from the old universe. AT. ALL. They clearly wanted an entirely new demographic. They wanted to shorn themselves completely of George Lucas, his vision, BOTH in the OT and the Prequels and especially the EU. The major problem with this is that your established fan base has been en-scorched in these properties for literally their entire lives with a love and appreciation for the OT and the EU. They then made the worst decision they could: Go scorched Earth. OT was out, new was in. Get rid of the Skywalker shit as fast as possible. The easiest and simplest thing would be to use the Thrawn Trilogy and just re-cast everyone. This makes sense on two levels: One, The Thrawn Trilogy is attributed to re-vitalizing interest in Star Wars and basically kick-started the franchise into what we see to modern day. Two, You can get your younger actors introduced to a new audience. Fresh and young, breathe new life into these characters. Three, everyone on the planet Earth is familiar with the Star Wars story. Its pop-culture legend. You don't need to re-boot or soft-reboot it. The knowledge is there. Darth Vader dies, the Emperor dies, Luke becomes Jedi. That's all you need to know. Then you get really everything you need. You get your strong female lead in Mara Jade, a host of cool characters, new lore a fun adventure and a thrilling series over all.

But the plan was to basically obliterate the property they purchased. Why they would do this, I have absolutely 0 idea. Studios do this. all. the. time. They buy these properties and then ignore what made them popular and are utterly shocked when they bomb. Like the damage done to Star Wars is pretty fucking bad. The brand is in the toilet right now. Even the new themepark is all Disney Starwars only with the exception of the 'new' Millenium Falcon. Why? Nobody wants that shit. They want old locations. They want Tatooine. They don't want random planet name nobody has heard of. Even the most casual person knows the look of the planet. What the fuck are you doing? Are you doing this because you're spiting all these fans? Like, even prequel fans, who are younger aren't going to buy into this.

I don't understand their motivation. They're like, "We're the Starwars now. You'll like it or else." People have the EU novels. They've got the old comics. The old games, the old trilogy. They're nowhere near as decent as the Marvel films. You've just hired probably the two worst and most hated creative project leads on the planet right now, D&D from Game of Thrones. People have other shit they could go to.

This is the problem with the Mouse in entertainment. Now everything is diversity checkboxes and making shit as bland and meaningless as possible to sell merch. Which nobody is not fucking buying. I mean, they've crashed a 4 billion dollar IP in only like 3 years. That's fucking impressive.



...she didn't die though? Unless you're mad at Carrie Fisher dying.
Take all these wins my dude :winner::winner::winner::winner::winner::winner::winner::winner::winner::winner::winner::winner:
 
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Well, first Boyega was relegated to goofy comic relief, then coward, then comic relief. In between he was being shipped CONSTANTLY with Oscar Issac who ribbed him incessantly about it. It honestly bordered on sexual harassment with the way these people were talking to him. So that's pretty uncomfortable.

Then he's pretty much useless, completely and utterly, in TLJ until he has the chance to save his friends in a noble self-sacrifice which would complete his character arc. Then Rose slams into him, risking killing them both. Not for any good reason mind you, but for the reason, "“We’re going to win this war, not by fighting what we hate, but saving what we love." She kisses Finn emotionlessly while the laser is about to murder all of their friends. It is one of the stupidest lines ever uttered about war. No. Winning a war is about sacrifice. War is horrific. Men (99% of the time) die through sacrifice and planning. War has costs. It requires the strength of will that Finn had, knowing he was going to die, to deal a great blow to the enemy. That's an amazing arc for the character. Looking death in the face, accepting your death so the war could be one. Not to mention he WAS saving what he loved, his friends. Finn literally looks at her like she's mentally exceptional in the scene when she says these lines. Like I think Boyega just could not muster anything else than that in that moment, and I don't blame him. She basically just gives him a peck on the lips because he barely returns it in any way.

I would have, no joke, punched her square in the fucking face. You risked killing yourself, you risked killing me, for what? Because you're in love with me and acted recklessly and selfishly, relegating everyone else to death? Fuck yourself. Its not like she knew Luke was going to appear.

Then because he wanted to kill Luke to perfect this shitpile of a film, he has Luke teleport in, steal Finn's moment and then dies. So Finn's arc is actually completed. He now has nothing to do but accept a paycheck.



While I do not disagree Disney rushed things, I think the main problem was that Disney did NOT want to use ANY material from the old universe. AT. ALL. They clearly wanted an entirely new demographic. They wanted to shorn themselves completely of George Lucas, his vision, BOTH in the OT and the Prequels and especially the EU. The major problem with this is that your established fan base has been en-scorched in these properties for literally their entire lives with a love and appreciation for the OT and the EU. They then made the worst decision they could: Go scorched Earth. OT was out, new was in. Get rid of the Skywalker shit as fast as possible. The easiest and simplest thing would be to use the Thrawn Trilogy and just re-cast everyone. This makes sense on two levels: One, The Thrawn Trilogy is attributed to re-vitalizing interest in Star Wars and basically kick-started the franchise into what we see to modern day. Two, You can get your younger actors introduced to a new audience. Fresh and young, breathe new life into these characters. Three, everyone on the planet Earth is familiar with the Star Wars story. Its pop-culture legend. You don't need to re-boot or soft-reboot it. The knowledge is there. Darth Vader dies, the Emperor dies, Luke becomes Jedi. That's all you need to know. Then you get really everything you need. You get your strong female lead in Mara Jade, a host of cool characters, new lore a fun adventure and a thrilling series over all.

But the plan was to basically obliterate the property they purchased. Why they would do this, I have absolutely 0 idea. Studios do this. all. the. time. They buy these properties and then ignore what made them popular and are utterly shocked when they bomb. Like the damage done to Star Wars is pretty fucking bad. The brand is in the toilet right now. Even the new themepark is all Disney Starwars only with the exception of the 'new' Millenium Falcon. Why? Nobody wants that shit. They want old locations. They want Tatooine. They don't want random planet name nobody has heard of. Even the most casual person knows the look of the planet. What the fuck are you doing? Are you doing this because you're spiting all these fans? Like, even prequel fans, who are younger aren't going to buy into this.

I don't understand their motivation. They're like, "We're the Starwars now. You'll like it or else." People have the EU novels. They've got the old comics. The old games, the old trilogy. They're nowhere near as decent as the Marvel films. You've just hired probably the two worst and most hated creative project leads on the planet right now, D&D from Game of Thrones. People have other shit they could go to.

This is the problem with the Mouse in entertainment. Now everything is diversity checkboxes and making shit as bland and meaningless as possible to sell merch. Which nobody is not fucking buying. I mean, they've crashed a 4 billion dollar IP in only like 3 years. That's fucking impressive.



...she didn't die though? Unless you're mad at Carrie Fisher dying.

I was referring to Carrie dying.
 
But the plan was to basically obliterate the property they purchased. Why they would do this, I have absolutely 0 idea. Studios do this. all. the. time. They buy these properties and then ignore what made them popular and are utterly shocked when they bomb.
I think this is the result of two things combining: the corporate bureaucrat mindset and the accounting department. Let me explain that last one:

See, in accounting, there's this thing called "goodwill." It's basically what you buy something for in excess of the book value of it's physical assets, IOW, the value of the brand itself. Coca-Cola is considered the classic example: if you wanted to buy the Coca-Cola Corporation, you wouldn't just be buying physical bottles, plants, trucks, recipies, and so on, you would be buying the cachet associated with Coca-Cola, and that's going to set you back a fair bit. When buying IPs, most of what you're buying is goodwill: you're buying the positive associations that the IP has built up with whoever likes it.

So what I think is that empty suits, being empty suits, automatically assume that they "own" that goodwill, that all those positive associations transferred over to them as seamlessly as their money transferred into the original creator's bank account. That since it's their goodwill now- see, you can point to it on the annual report and everything!- that fans will like their Star Wars because the fans like Star Wars.

This is, of course, not true. You still need to keep giving the fans what they like, as Coca-Cola found out the hard way with the New Coke debacle. So as a result, this lashing out at the fanbase from the Mouse is the result of NPCs aggroing after their interactions go off-script: "You like Star Wars, our product is Star Wars, therefor you like our product! How are you not getting this? Why are you malfunctioning?"

Just my armchair analysis, obviously. But Disney obviously expected rebuild the Ship of Theseus with construction paper and still have it float.
 
I think this is the result of two things combining: the corporate bureaucrat mindset and the accounting department. Let me explain that last one:

See, in accounting, there's this thing called "goodwill." It's basically what you buy something for in excess of the book value of it's physical assets, IOW, the value of the brand itself. Coca-Cola is considered the classic example: if you wanted to buy the Coca-Cola Corporation, you wouldn't just be buying physical bottles, plants, trucks, recipies, and so on, you would be buying the cachet associated with Coca-Cola, and that's going to set you back a fair bit. When buying IPs, most of what you're buying is goodwill: you're buying the positive associations that the IP has built up with whoever likes it.

So what I think is that empty suits, being empty suits, automatically assume that they "own" that goodwill, that all those positive associations transferred over to them as seamlessly as their money transferred into the original creator's bank account. That since it's their goodwill now- see, you can point to it on the annual report and everything!- that fans will like their Star Wars because the fans like Star Wars.

This is, of course, not true. You still need to keep giving the fans what they like, as Coca-Cola found out the hard way with the New Coke debacle. So as a result, this lashing out at the fanbase from the Mouse is the result of NPCs aggroing after their interactions go off-script: "You like Star Wars, our product is Star Wars, therefor you like our product! How are you not getting this? Why are you malfunctioning?"

Just my armchair analysis, obviously. But Disney obviously expected rebuild the Ship of Theseus with construction paper and still have it float.

I think you're right with that. It is such an empty suit decision and they looked at Star Wars like a brand they couldn't crash. My way would have required some risk. It was easier and less risky to do a soft reboot and they didn't care, all these smelly nerds would accept it and they would get their new audience. So they roll out the Internet Defense Force once this goes wrong, which fails constantly. Eventually you don't even need the IDF anymore, because, lol, no one is buying your shit and is just ignoring it because it no longer generates money.

I've just seen the cycle happen so. many. times. Nobody ever learns from it. I think you've also got the 'we're too big to fail so we can do what we want' Disney mentality. So even if it does fail, they'll shove it down your fucking throat because what else will you do?
 
Finn is getting the shaft because out of the new core ST trilogy characters he's the only one who isn't a slight variation on characters from previous movies. I think they just don't know what to do with him since they can't copy-and-paste from the PT/OT.
 
But no doubt that they were going to fuck up Leia's character just as bad as they did the rest.
They kinda did anyway, she went from an accomplished, respected and popular politician/general to somebody who accomplished nothing over a 30year period while the opposition gained huge amounts of resources and strength. Nobody in the republic listens to her or lends aid and leaves her with a handful of people that can fit on the millennium falcon at the end of TLJ.
no doubt they'll find a way to butcher the two droids
We've seen the merchandise of C3P0 with Chewie's bowcaster and people talking about how he will save the day by kicking arse... I think that probably counts.
Boyega was relegated to goofy comic relief, then coward
There was a rumor/leak that the new black chick is also going to be an escaped storm trooper that was abducted as a child. If that's true then he'll have had everything related to his character and arc stolen from him during the trilogy.
 
If Disney had acquired a casino in Las Vegas and had run it the way they have run the Star Wars franchise, they'd start by refusing to comp free rooms and drinks to all of the Whales, and comp them only to Womens Studies Majors and College Professors. Then, they'd rip out all of the slot machines and replace them with PCs that have "woke" games like Depression Quest and Gone Home installed on them. Then they'd serve nothing but Vegan food at the buffet, and have nothing but black, tranny, wheelchair-bound poetry slams on all of the stages and entertainment venues. And then they'd put "The Force is Female" t-shirts and "Male Tears" mugs in the casino souvenir gift shop.

Then they'd stand back, slap their foreheads and wonder why they were losing money. "We catered to all of the Right People!" they'd exclaim. "We want Good People in our establishment! Not sexist, racist, bigoted manbabies! Since we're on the Right Side of History, the problem must be that we're not catering to the Good People enough! We need to double down and put more Feminist and POC-friendly content in our casino! Someone quick! Round up a group of 400+ lb women and trannys that we can turn into a Showgirl Revue headlined by Leslie Jones!"
 
I'm still wondering on, had she still lived, what Leia's storyline would have been. I'm still mad that she died, but at the same time I wonder if it was good so as to basically spare her from character assassination/derailment.

Obviously she was supposed to be all dark like ROTJ Luke but I wouldn't trust JJ.
The Force is Female, remember. I would have expected her talking about how all these toxic men (such as Ackbar) in the Rebell alliance built the new Republic after the Empire was defeated. She'd talk about how they ignored her input and how that set up the new Republic to fail. IX would end with her being put in charge of making the NuRepublic, but doing it right this time™. Just like we will now get Rey reforming the Jedi, but doing it right this time™. Something to that effect, anyway.

Now, I'm wondering if they will kill off her character in IX or not. Imagine, every movie of the new trilogy would then contain the death of one of the old characters. How lame would that be? Especially given how we already had a fake-out death in TLJ.
They are in a really bad spot. I doubt they have much material to work with, so they can sort of gloss over her character, which would feel bad and inappropriate, they could kill her off, which would feel lame and inappropriate or they can shoehorn old unused footage, which will feel lackluster and inapporpriate.

I would have, no joke, punched her square in the fucking face. You risked killing yourself, you risked killing me, for what? Because you're in love with me and acted recklessly and selfishly, relegating everyone else to death? Fuck yourself. Its not like she knew Luke was going to appear.
Without Luke showing up randomly, that whole scene would have ended with every remaining rebell being put in front of a ditch and being shot to red mist by a gorilla AT-AT firing squad.
Just imagine them all standing there, glaring at Rose, while she just fawns over Finn, shortly before they all get shot, hosed into the ditch and then buried by child-slave labour.

On another note, we all know that Disney-Lucasfilm supposedly went back to George for ideas because they're that desperate, but so far there's no detail on what he's influenced since IX had no real script (according to JJ) or a proper set up (which is looking pretty bad according to a lot of word of mouth), but according to some rumors going around, the part George did have involvement in was having them make 3PO and R2 return as main characters for this movie despite having been pushed aside to make room for BB-8 and his merch (with R2 getting the worst of it by JJ having him shut down for almost a decade for no real reason other than to guard some fucking macguffin while 3PO just gets relegated to a red arm joke), which is why they're suddenly back in merchandise and why they play a bigger role in IX, supposedly because George reminded them that the story is mostly told from 3PO and R2's perspectives in this fucking saga (much like the characters they were based on, Tahei and Matashichi from The Hidden Fortress), but no doubt they'll find a way to butcher the two droids now that they're back in the spotlight in order to prop up BB-8 and his pointless lamp sidekick's merch.
Given how C3P0 is now Johnny Rambo with a Bowcaster, I can very well imagine how that went:

George: "See, you underused iconic characters, the old trilogy heavily featured C3P0 and R2D2, they were important characters!"
Disney: "Really? They hardly killed or berated anyone!"
George: "That's not the point, just give them a bit of a bigger part, old fans will love it."
Disney: "Oh, okay. Right. Gotcha. What about C3P0 turns into a Jedi?"
George: "What, no, that's crazy!"
Disney: "Yeah right. Let's make him a battle hardened soldier instead! Give him some cool weapon!"
George: "This is terrible. Don't do it, you'll regret it!"
Disney: "Maybe we should give him Chewbacca's blaster... hey, how about we make all former Jedi kiddy diddlers?"
George: "What is wrong with you guys?!"
Disney. "What is wrong with YOU? You made a movie about kiddy diddlers being the good guys!"

All joking aside, C3P0 is a lame comic relief in the ST (sort of also in the OT edit: PT, just not as bad), I assume the scene where he grabs the gun will be some "Oh so whacky" hijinks, maybe a rip-off (or throwback?) to when his head was wired to the body of the battle-droid.

So what I think is that empty suits, being empty suits, automatically assume that they "own" that goodwill, that all those positive associations transferred over to them as seamlessly as their money transferred into the original creator's bank account. That since it's their goodwill now- see, you can point to it on the annual report and everything!- that fans will like their Star Wars because the fans like Star Wars.
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So they roll out the Internet Defense Force once this goes wrong, which fails constantly. Eventually you don't even need the IDF anymore, because, lol, no one is buying your shit and is just ignoring it because it no longer generates money.
It's not that hard to see where they got the idea at the start, though, and keeping an eye on the fan reaction will tell you why:
When Disney bought Star Wars, there was a huge surge in goodwill, people were cheering, cause the franchise was no longer owned by Lucas, who was seen as the one holding the brand back. No wonder these suits thought they were going to have an easy time, everything was in the green. Unfortunately, they didn't realize that this surge in goodwill and hype also meant it would need to be paid off by their product, so they stumbled headlong into a substantial amount of backlash when TFA invalidated the OT while ripping it off (but still mixed in with a shitton of praise)... then came TLJ and shit went south entirely. When you have to pay off a fuckton of reviewers and influencers to literally tell everyone "TLJ made a lot of people angry - and here is why that's a good thing", then shit is on fire, yo.

There was a rumor/leak that the new black chick is also going to be an escaped storm trooper that was abducted as a child. If that's true then he'll have had everything related to his character and arc stolen from him during the trilogy.
If she ends up actually being a competent, serious ex-soldier, that would be really fucking amazing. She'd undermine Finn's entire thing, steal it and then be better at being "Finn" than Finn was. Hope they'll have her lead a Storm Trooper revolt and turning Finn into a mere tag-along sidekick. Bonuspoints if he ends up with her, just so he has a romance with 3 girls in 3 movies, cause that's not problematic at all!
 
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I think most, if not all, of the problems with the Disney Star Wars can be attributed to them rushing into things head first without a plan.

Disney got this property and they had all these new toys to play with and they just had to make it as fast as possible.

The end result was a trilogy that had the first film basically be a remake of the the original 1977 classic, a sequel that undoes all that was set up in VII, and now we have a third movie that looks to be undoing all that was undone in VIII. They clearly did not have a plan in place and just made these movies by the seat of their pants and it shows. Say what you want about the prequels (and lord knows I could say plenty) but at least it was all one vision and one narrative...not a coherent, well written, or well executed one, but at least its all one narrative. The new ST has all the signs of just "doing it for the sake of doing it" when this is something that should have been carefully constructed,

Even worse, they decided to do the inbetween films like Rogue One and Solo to do the Marvel shared universe format, but Star Wars has always worked as big event films. It is very hard to do that when there is a film every year. They feel a lot less special then. Granted, I actually liked Rogue One for what it was and maybe doing stand alones every three years instead of ST films might have been better, but in any case, they put way too much on their plate way too quickly, and that creates the mess we have now.
Nahh, they had a vague plan apparently, then Fathead Johnson fucked it up by wanting to "subvert" it all and throw away all of the potential hooks that JJ set up. That fucker definitely did that because he was probably not happy that he was being accused of doing a reboot of empire and smugly decided that nope, he gonna do something worse. Way worse.

Now I do blame the rest of the gang for their own sins like JJ being a toy-holic who holds IPs hostage over that shit (and then wondering why no one buys his shit) and arbitrarily holding contracts plusbeing a coward who can't finish. Kennedy being a miserable cunt who seeks to destroy the series that allowed her her shitty middle management job in the first place by writing a fanfic with her as the OC. And the Disney execs for pumping out assembly line whimsy that allows for no time to recharge or rethink on ideas. Also whoever the fuck is supposed to be quality control, since who the fuck let's a movie get to an assembly cut before wanting to reshoot the whole thing?
 
Nahh, they had a vague plan apparently, then Fathead Johnson fucked it up by wanting to "subvert" it all and throw away all of the potential hooks that JJ set up. That fucker definitely did that because he was probably not happy that he was being accused of doing a reboot of empire and smugly decided that nope, he gonna do something worse. Way worse.

Now I do blame the rest of the gang for their own sins like JJ being a toy-holic who holds IPs hostage over that shit (and then wondering why no one buys his shit) and arbitrarily holding contracts plusbeing a coward who can't finish. Kennedy being a miserable cunt who seeks to destroy the series that allowed her her shitty middle management job in the first place by writing a fanfic with her as the OC. And the Disney execs for pumping out assembly line whimsy that allows for no time to recharge or rethink on ideas. Also whoever the fuck is supposed to be quality control, since who the fuck let's a movie get to an assembly cut before wanting to reshoot the whole thing?
See, this is where I stand and assumed probably happened behind the scenes.

When Kennedy was hired to run Lucasfilm, she presumably had no idea what to go from ROTJ. And let’s be honest, excluding the EU, it would be a challenge for anyone to follow up after ROTJ. It’s almost like Lucas dared Disney to make a justifiable sequel trilogy. And they did, except there was the problem.

After struggling with not knowing what to do, she eventually hired JJ to direct. JJ of course loves the OT like Hollywood loves Obama and presumably hated the prequels. However, like Kennedy, JJ had no idea where to build off from ROTJ and just went “Fuck it, let’s wing it!” Now I could assumed happened next is that they retconned the EU and then had a off the record non-disclosed script contest and Michael Arndt’s was the presumed winner and they build it off from there.

For TLJ, I could think RJ didn’t like what JJ set up and just fucked around with it, which caused JJ to also fucked around with ROS. Basically the development of the ST is winging it with no plan. And it shows.
 
One way to explain Finn the Janitor as a stormtrooper (ignoring the overall mess of the ST) would be if the First Order was stretched so thin that Phasma was ordered by Hux or Kylo Ren to assemble troops on such short notice that she had no choice but to press menial labor type troopers into combat duty because they were still trained at one point to use blasters and other basic tactics needed on a battlefield. Like everything else with the last two episode films, however, we get no explanation for items that seem implausible, confusing, out of character, or simply contradictory.

The Last Jedi did, in my own head canon, allow Finn to make sense. Hux hates Kylo each other, and he sent a janitorial team down on the commando raid as a fuck you to him.

It makes more sense than the canon.
 
Hey @GeneralFriendliness, I’m not sure if you mentioned this or not but was Rey and Fin originally supposed to be one character at first?
I mentioned that like over 150 or so pages back I think. Rey and Finn were originally the first characters conceived by Lucas, but under different names, with Rey being Kira and Finn being Sam. Kira was conceived as a young force sensitive orphan (designed after Kristen Stewart) from a junk planet who sets out on a journey of self-discovery after her adoptive community is destroyed by a mysterious force (the main villains who I will get to in a moment). Unlike Rey, Kira always wanted to leaver her homeplanet yet she was always held back. She was described as a loner and a gear-head with a love for machines. She eventually meets Sam, originally conceived as a young white male and loner mercenary who is very anti-social "but oozed charisma" who is also later revealed to be an orphan. An early piece of concept art also shows him wielding a blue lightsaber (which I guess is why Finn briefly wields one in the film just to get fucked over). Concepts (most of which were made during the Disney transition period) also toyed with the idea of him being an ex-trooper under one of the imperial remnants. There are a lot of initial initial concepts and ideas that got thrown around during the making back when George and Arndt were in charge, but one concept was that Kira meets Sam at a local spaceport and convinces him to get her off-world in hopes of joining the highly esteemed Jedi Academy of Luke Skywalker on Yavin 4. They are eventually joined by a character who was never given a proper name, simply referred to as @JohnDoe as a tentative title until they could figure out a name for him, however he never got an official name as that's when Disney and JJ decided to take the reigns in their own direction and just do a repeat. However, what is known is that John Doe was originally conceived as a tall and muscular black man resembling Mace Windu (although any connection is unknown but some like to theorize that Mace Windu survived Anakin's attack and eventually fathered this guy) and he went through three concepts: In the first, Doe was a jedi who came to protect Kira and help escort her to the academy, in the second he was a bounty hunter with a wookiee companion (not Chewbacca) who was hired to hunt down Sam but decides to join him and Kira under unknown circumstances, and finally he was re-imagined as a New Republic officer who was also helping to escort the two youths to Luke, however Doe ended up sacrificing himself to protect them at some point in the movie. John Doe was eventually devolved into the character of Poe. Some pieces of artwork produced shortly after George and Arndt were pushed out had Sam as a reluctant stormtrooper who was forced to join forces with Doe to escape and both crashed on Kira's planet, where Doe dies and Sam is rescued by Kira instead. Supposedly this was done because Disney didn't want a likeable "criminal" character for a young generation and JJ didn't want a competent male lead to upstage Rey so they changed Sam from a mercenary into a reluctant trooper, and eventually into the bumbling Finn.

Throughout the original movie concept, the characters are constantly under the threat of the main villainous of group of the film who are simply known as the "Jedi Killers" led by a mysterious villain who was never given a proper name, simply referred to as "Uber" in early concepts. Not much is known about Uber, what is known is that he was a powerful, highly intelligent and mysterious figure who was clad in a mysterious robe and helmet and that he created the Jedi Killers, an entire organization of genetically enhanced force-users whose one goal was to hunt down all jedi and abduct any force sensitive they could find. Some rumors floating around also claimed that, like Snoke, Uber was from the Unknown Regions, dabbled in cloning technology to boost the numbers of his organization, used genetic engineering to increase the power of his subordinates, and that he first became active after ROTJ after the Empire started fighting amongst themselves over who would take charge after the Emperor's death and (like Snoke) ended up recruiting an imperial faction to his side, but Uber was successfully defeated by Luke and the New Republic, and he was forced to retreat into the Unknown Regions to rebuild and seek revenge against Skywalker, which is probably why he's hunting down force sensitives and jedis. Because of this, some theorized that "Uber" was (or was at least based on) Atha Prime, a character who was from a cancelled sequel project that was originally pitched by Kenner to George a year after ROTJ. Like Uber and Snoke, Prime was an enigmatic figure from the Unknown Regions who managed to convince an imperial remnant to his side (which was led by Grand Moff Trachta), but unlike Snoke (who is described as more of an occultist) Prime was a master geneticist who mastered the cloning technology from the Clone Wars as well as genetic manipulation, although Uber seems to posses traits of both a geneticist and an occultist. The possibility of Uber being Prime is thought to be hinted at in the final old canon story released in 2015 titled SkyeWalkers: A Clone Wars Story, which featured Prime and hinted at his return as a future villain after his defeat at the hands of Anakin and Obi-Wan, which some thought was supposed to be a lead-up to the original concept of VII. The novel also revealed that Prime bore many aliases, such as Eon Null and Zeta Magnus, so Uber wouldn't be that ill-fitting as an alias.

Finally, Uber would not actually serve as the omnipresent villain of the story, instead he would act through his main agent, an unnamed red skinned Twi-lek based on Darth Talon, a perverse and manipulative dark sider who would use any means to kill jedi or corrupt others. One early storyboard portrayed her introduction, in which she appears being harassed at a cantina before being saved by a Jedi Master of the new order, eventually she seduces the jedi and sleeps with him, but its all a ruse as she quickly kills him. Her main goal in the story was to kill Sam and Kira before they could reach Luke Skywalker but eventually she aims to corrupt Anakin Solo, the youngest son of Han and Leia who is under Luke's protection. It was also hinted that Kira and Sam were to be revealed as the long lost children of Han and Leia who were separated and sent away to keep them safe from the Jedi Killers, which pretty much makes them a re-imagining of the Solo Twins, although I personally think they might have also had a chance of being revealed to be their grandkids, since they said the film might have taken place 40 years after ROTJ. While the Galactic Empire is no more, it would still have an antagonistic presence within the story as many imperial remnants remain as well as worlds that were loyal to the Empire much like in old canon, and Uber's faction would also have his own imperial remnant serving under him.

Eventually everything was changed by Abrams and Kasdan, and stripped of everything but its bare bones, with the only things remaining from the original concepts being Kira, Sam, Doe, and Uber, however Kira was renamed Rey and made more "tragic" with an obsession of not wanting to leave her planet, Sam was changed to Finn and bore no similarity with his original incarnation so it was like they completely got rid of Sam, Doe was changed to Poe with him now being a "Resistance" officer because it sounds more marketable, but originally they were going to kill Poe off much like Doe but in a less memorable fashion, with Poe originally dying shortly after he and Finn crashed, but since Oscar Isaac was hesitant about playing Poe, JJ changed it so he survives and randomly disappears for no reason. Uber was pretty much completely revamped into Snoke, with the only thing remaining from the original being that they were from the Unknown Regions and led an imperial remnant which was now the First Order because repeating the same formula from the first movie was deemed more marketable. JJ and Kasdan also diminished Finn, Poe and Luke's roles in the films because they thought they would undermine Rey's, with Luke getting the worst of it, since they outright say they made him into a macguffin so as to not steal the spotlight from Rey and overshadow her. Nothing remained of the Talon lookalike, but they kept the idea of a "jedi killer" and they used Uber's mask as a basis for what would eventually become (after countless redesigns) Kylo Ren's mask.

On another interesting note, the "special lightsaber" for the original concept of 7 was not a crossguard saber, but a dual-blade saber with both red and blue beams that was said to be related to its owner's themes and powers of "fire and ice" and duality, however very little is known about its owner other than that he might've been bald. The saber was designed by Rick Carter.
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Luke was also going to have a bigger role in the new trilogy and would undertake Kira's training personally through 7 and 8, and he would finish Leia's training before dying heroically at the end of 9 (this is based on what Mark Hamill said according to George although there's some debate if this was George's original idea in the 80s after ROTJ or the idea George presented in 2012). However this was all changed which upset Mark. Like the Disney Trilogy, this trilogy was also set to take place some 20, 30 or even 40 years after the original.

Here are pictures of concept art and promo material that were made when George and Arndt's ideas still had influence. Note that a few of these were made as they removed George or changed Arndst's script, like the ones of Sam as a stormtrooper. I don't know at what point the pics of Kira in the junkyard were made as they could've been conceived before or after George left or before or after Arndt's script got raped. There's also concept art of the characters exploring a sunken Death Star in search for a relic of the Emperor's containing info on all the sacred and historical jedi sites which is to be incorporated in IX, however I don't know if the sunken Death Star artwork is from before or after George left as Rick Carter did most of these at the time as he was doing art for JJ, like JJ's initial "red start destroyer" idea, and JJ was really pushing for maguffins at the time too.
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Also note that Rey's speeder and the aliens looked more interesting before Jake Lunt Davies took over as designer.

There's more to post, but frankly this post is already too over-cluttered as it is. Later I'll try and post info on the last restaurant in Galaxy's Edge, followed by the Cantina and lame-ass toy store.


Edit: Misspelled Arndt...
 
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I mentioned that like over 150 or so pages back I think. Rey and Finn were originally the first characters conceived by Lucas, but under different names, with Rey being Kira and Finn being Sam. Kira was conceived as a young force sensitive orphan (designed after Kristen Stewart) from a junk planet who sets out on a journey of self-discovery after her adoptive community is destroyed by a mysterious force (the main villains who I will get to in a moment). Unlike Rey, Kira always wanted to leaver her homeplanet yet she was always held back. She was described as a loner and a gear-head with a love for machines. She eventually meets Sam, originally conceived as a young white male and loner mercenary who is very anti-social "but oozed charisma" who is also later revealed to be an orphan. An early piece of concept art also shows him wielding a blue lightsaber (which I guess is why Finn briefly wields one in the film just to get fucked over). Concepts (most of which were made during the Disney transition period) also toyed with the idea of him being an ex-trooper under one of the imperial remnants. There are a lot of initial initial concepts and ideas that got thrown around during the making back when George was in charge, but one concept was that Kira meets Sam at a local spaceport and convinces him to get her off-world in hopes of joining the highly esteemed Jedi Academy of Luke Skywalker on Yavin 4. They are eventually joined by a character who was never given a proper name, simply referred to as @JohnDoe as a tentative title until they could figure out a name for him, however he never got an official name as that's when Disney and JJ decided to take the reigns in their own direction and just do a repeat. However, what is known is that John Doe was originally conceived as a tall and muscular black man resembling Mace Windu (although any connection is unknown but some like to theorize that Mace Windu survived Anakin's attack and eventually fathered this guy) and he went through three concepts: In the first, Doe was a jedi who came to protect Kira and help escort her to the academy, in the second he was a bounty hunter with a wookiee companion (not Chewbacca) who was hired to hunt down Sam but decides to join him and Kira under unknown circumstances, and finally he was re-imagined as a New Republic officer who was also helping to escort the two youths to Luke, however Doe ended up sacrificing himself to protect them at some point in the movie. John Doe was eventually devolved into the character of Poe. Some pieces of artwork produced shortly after George was pushed out had Sam as a reluctant stormtrooper who was forced to join forces with Doe to escape and both crashed on Kira's planet, where Doe dies and Sam is rescued by Kira instead. Supposedly this was done because Disney didn't want a likeable "criminal" character for a young generation and JJ didn't want a competent male lead to upstage Rey so they changed Sam from a mercenary into a reluctant trooper, and eventually into the bumbling Finn.

Throughout the original movie concept, the characters are constantly under the threat of the main villainous of group of the film who are simply known as the "Jedi Killers" led by a mysterious villain who was never given a proper name, simply referred to as "Uber" in early concepts. Not much is known about Uber, what is known is that he was a powerful, highly intelligent and mysterious figure who was clad in a mysterious robe and helmet and that he created the Jedi Killers, an entire organization of genetically enhanced force-users whose one goal was to hunt down all jedi and abduct any force sensitive they could find. Some rumors floating around also claimed that, like Snoke, Uber was from the Unknown Regions, dabbled in cloning technology to boost the numbers of his organization, used genetic engineering to increase the power of his subordinates, and that he first became active after ROTJ after the Empire started fighting amongst themselves over who would take charge after the Emperor's death and (like Snoke) ended up recruiting an imperial faction to his side, but Uber was successfully defeated by Luke and the New Republic, and he was forced to retreat into the Unknown Regions to rebuild and seek revenge against Skywalker, which is probably why he's hunting down force sensitives and jedis. Because of this, some theorized that "Uber" was (or was at least based on) Atha Prime, a character who was from a cancelled sequel project that was originally pitched by Kenner to George a year after ROTJ. Like Uber and Snoke, Prime was an enigmatic figure from the Unknown Regions who managed to convince an imperial remnant to his side (which was led by Grand Moff Trachta), but unlike Snoke (who is described as more of an occultist) Prime was a master geneticist who mastered the cloning technology from the Clone Wars as well as genetic manipulation, although Uber seems to posses traits of both a geneticist and an occultist. The possibility of Uber being Prime is thought to be hinted at in the final old canon story released in 2015 titled SkyeWalkers: A Clone Wars Story, which featured Prime and hinted at his return as a future villain after his defeat at the hands of Anakin and Obi-Wan, which some thought was supposed to be a lead-up to the original concept of VII. The novel also revealed that Prime bore many aliases, such as Eon Null and Zeta Magnus, so Uber wouldn't be that ill-fitting as an alias.

Finally, Uber would not actually serve as the omnipresent villain of the story, instead he would act through his main agent, an unnamed red skinned Twi-lek based on Darth Talon, a perverse and manipulative dark sider who would use any means to kill jedi or corrupt others. One early storyboard portrayed her introduction, in which she appears being harassed at a cantina before being saved by a Jedi Master of the new order, eventually she seduces the jedi and sleeps with him, but its all a ruse as she quickly kills him. Her main goal in the story was to kill Sam and Kira before they could reach Luke Skywalker but eventually she aims to corrupt Anakin Solo, the youngest son of Han and Leia who is under Luke's protection. It was also hinted that Kira and Sam were to be revealed as the long lost children of Han and Leia who were separated and sent away to keep them safe from the Jedi Killers, which pretty much makes them a re-imagining of the Solo Twins, although I personally think they might have also had a chance of being revealed to be their grandkids, since they said the film might have taken place 40 years after ROTJ. While the Galactic Empire is no more, it would still have an antagonistic presence within the story as many imperial remnants remain as well as worlds that were loyal to the Empire much like in old canon, and Uber's faction would also have his own imperial remnant serving under him.

Eventually everything was changed by Abrams and Michael Andt, and stripped of everything but its bare bones, with the only things remaining from the original concepts being Kira, Sam, Doe, and Uber, however Kira was renamed Rey and made more "tragic" with an obsession of not wanting to leave her planet, Sam was changed to Finn and bore no similarity with his original incarnation so it was like they completely got rid of Sam, Doe was changed to Poe with him now being a "Resistance" officer because it sounds more marketable, but originally they were going to kill Poe off much like Doe but in a less memorable fashion, with Poe originally dying shortly after he and Finn crashed, but since Oscar Isaac was hesitant about playing Poe, JJ changed it so he survives and randomly disappears for no reason. Uber was pretty much completely revamped into Snoke, with the only thing remaining from the original being that they were from the Unknown Regions and led an imperial remnant which was now the First Order because repeating the same formula from the first movie was deemed more marketable. JJ and Andt also diminished Finn, Poe and Luke's roles in the films because they thought they would undermine Rey's, with Luke getting the worst of it, since they outright say they made him into a macguffin so as to not steal the spotlight from Rey and overshadow her. Nothing remained of the Talon lookalike, but they kept the idea of a "jedi killer" and they used Uber's mask as a basis for what would eventually become (after countless redesigns) Kylo Ren's mask.

On another interesting note, the "special lightsaber" for the original concept of 7 was not a crossguard saber, but a dual-blade saber with both red and blue beams that was said to be related to its owner's themes and powers of "fire and ice" and duality, however very little is known about its owner other than that he might've been bald. The saber was designed by Rick Carter.
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Luke was also going to have a bigger role in the new trilogy and would undertake Kira's training personally through 7 and 8, and he would finish Leia's training before dying heroically at the end of 9 (this is based on what Mark Hamill said according to George although there's some debate if this was George's original idea in the 80s after ROTJ or the idea George presented in 2012). However this was all changed which upset Mark. Like the Disney Trilogy, this trilogy was also set to take place some 20, 30 or even 40 years after the original.

Here are pictures of concept art and promo material that were made when George was still around. Note that a few of these were made as they removed George, like the ones of Sam as a stormtrooper. I don't know at what point the pics of Kira in the junkyard were made as they could've been conceived before or after George left. There's also concept art of the characters exploring a sunken Death Star in search for a relic of the Emperor's containing info on all the sacred and historical jedi sites which is to be incorporated in IX, however I don't know if the sunken Death Star artwork is from before or after George left as Rick Carter did most of these at the time as he was doing art for JJ, like JJ's initial "red start destroyer" idea, and JJ was really pushing for maguffins at the time too.
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Also note that Rey's speeder and the aliens looked more interesting before Jake Lunt Davies took over as designer.

There's more to post, but frankly this post is already too over-cluttered as it is. Later I'll try and post info on the last restaurant in Galaxy's Edge, followed by the Cantina and lame-ass toy store.
surprised they didnt go with talon. She seems like she would have been some serious waifubait
 
I mentioned that like over 150 or so pages back I think. Rey and Finn were originally the first characters conceived by Lucas, but under different names, with Rey being Kira and Finn being Sam. Kira was conceived as a young force sensitive orphan (designed after Kristen Stewart) from a junk planet who sets out on a journey of self-discovery after her adoptive community is destroyed by a mysterious force (the main villains who I will get to in a moment). Unlike Rey, Kira always wanted to leaver her homeplanet yet she was always held back. She was described as a loner and a gear-head with a love for machines. She eventually meets Sam, originally conceived as a young white male and loner mercenary who is very anti-social "but oozed charisma" who is also later revealed to be an orphan. An early piece of concept art also shows him wielding a blue lightsaber (which I guess is why Finn briefly wields one in the film just to get fucked over). Concepts (most of which were made during the Disney transition period) also toyed with the idea of him being an ex-trooper under one of the imperial remnants. There are a lot of initial initial concepts and ideas that got thrown around during the making back when George was in charge, but one concept was that Kira meets Sam at a local spaceport and convinces him to get her off-world in hopes of joining the highly esteemed Jedi Academy of Luke Skywalker on Yavin 4. They are eventually joined by a character who was never given a proper name, simply referred to as @JohnDoe as a tentative title until they could figure out a name for him, however he never got an official name as that's when Disney and JJ decided to take the reigns in their own direction and just do a repeat. However, what is known is that John Doe was originally conceived as a tall and muscular black man resembling Mace Windu (although any connection is unknown but some like to theorize that Mace Windu survived Anakin's attack and eventually fathered this guy) and he went through three concepts: In the first, Doe was a jedi who came to protect Kira and help escort her to the academy, in the second he was a bounty hunter with a wookiee companion (not Chewbacca) who was hired to hunt down Sam but decides to join him and Kira under unknown circumstances, and finally he was re-imagined as a New Republic officer who was also helping to escort the two youths to Luke, however Doe ended up sacrificing himself to protect them at some point in the movie. John Doe was eventually devolved into the character of Poe. Some pieces of artwork produced shortly after George was pushed out had Sam as a reluctant stormtrooper who was forced to join forces with Doe to escape and both crashed on Kira's planet, where Doe dies and Sam is rescued by Kira instead. Supposedly this was done because Disney didn't want a likeable "criminal" character for a young generation and JJ didn't want a competent male lead to upstage Rey so they changed Sam from a mercenary into a reluctant trooper, and eventually into the bumbling Finn.

Throughout the original movie concept, the characters are constantly under the threat of the main villainous of group of the film who are simply known as the "Jedi Killers" led by a mysterious villain who was never given a proper name, simply referred to as "Uber" in early concepts. Not much is known about Uber, what is known is that he was a powerful, highly intelligent and mysterious figure who was clad in a mysterious robe and helmet and that he created the Jedi Killers, an entire organization of genetically enhanced force-users whose one goal was to hunt down all jedi and abduct any force sensitive they could find. Some rumors floating around also claimed that, like Snoke, Uber was from the Unknown Regions, dabbled in cloning technology to boost the numbers of his organization, used genetic engineering to increase the power of his subordinates, and that he first became active after ROTJ after the Empire started fighting amongst themselves over who would take charge after the Emperor's death and (like Snoke) ended up recruiting an imperial faction to his side, but Uber was successfully defeated by Luke and the New Republic, and he was forced to retreat into the Unknown Regions to rebuild and seek revenge against Skywalker, which is probably why he's hunting down force sensitives and jedis. Because of this, some theorized that "Uber" was (or was at least based on) Atha Prime, a character who was from a cancelled sequel project that was originally pitched by Kenner to George a year after ROTJ. Like Uber and Snoke, Prime was an enigmatic figure from the Unknown Regions who managed to convince an imperial remnant to his side (which was led by Grand Moff Trachta), but unlike Snoke (who is described as more of an occultist) Prime was a master geneticist who mastered the cloning technology from the Clone Wars as well as genetic manipulation, although Uber seems to posses traits of both a geneticist and an occultist. The possibility of Uber being Prime is thought to be hinted at in the final old canon story released in 2015 titled SkyeWalkers: A Clone Wars Story, which featured Prime and hinted at his return as a future villain after his defeat at the hands of Anakin and Obi-Wan, which some thought was supposed to be a lead-up to the original concept of VII. The novel also revealed that Prime bore many aliases, such as Eon Null and Zeta Magnus, so Uber wouldn't be that ill-fitting as an alias.

Finally, Uber would not actually serve as the omnipresent villain of the story, instead he would act through his main agent, an unnamed red skinned Twi-lek based on Darth Talon, a perverse and manipulative dark sider who would use any means to kill jedi or corrupt others. One early storyboard portrayed her introduction, in which she appears being harassed at a cantina before being saved by a Jedi Master of the new order, eventually she seduces the jedi and sleeps with him, but its all a ruse as she quickly kills him. Her main goal in the story was to kill Sam and Kira before they could reach Luke Skywalker but eventually she aims to corrupt Anakin Solo, the youngest son of Han and Leia who is under Luke's protection. It was also hinted that Kira and Sam were to be revealed as the long lost children of Han and Leia who were separated and sent away to keep them safe from the Jedi Killers, which pretty much makes them a re-imagining of the Solo Twins, although I personally think they might have also had a chance of being revealed to be their grandkids, since they said the film might have taken place 40 years after ROTJ. While the Galactic Empire is no more, it would still have an antagonistic presence within the story as many imperial remnants remain as well as worlds that were loyal to the Empire much like in old canon, and Uber's faction would also have his own imperial remnant serving under him.

Eventually everything was changed by Abrams and Michael Andt, and stripped of everything but its bare bones, with the only things remaining from the original concepts being Kira, Sam, Doe, and Uber, however Kira was renamed Rey and made more "tragic" with an obsession of not wanting to leave her planet, Sam was changed to Finn and bore no similarity with his original incarnation so it was like they completely got rid of Sam, Doe was changed to Poe with him now being a "Resistance" officer because it sounds more marketable, but originally they were going to kill Poe off much like Doe but in a less memorable fashion, with Poe originally dying shortly after he and Finn crashed, but since Oscar Isaac was hesitant about playing Poe, JJ changed it so he survives and randomly disappears for no reason. Uber was pretty much completely revamped into Snoke, with the only thing remaining from the original being that they were from the Unknown Regions and led an imperial remnant which was now the First Order because repeating the same formula from the first movie was deemed more marketable. JJ and Andt also diminished Finn, Poe and Luke's roles in the films because they thought they would undermine Rey's, with Luke getting the worst of it, since they outright say they made him into a macguffin so as to not steal the spotlight from Rey and overshadow her. Nothing remained of the Talon lookalike, but they kept the idea of a "jedi killer" and they used Uber's mask as a basis for what would eventually become (after countless redesigns) Kylo Ren's mask.

On another interesting note, the "special lightsaber" for the original concept of 7 was not a crossguard saber, but a dual-blade saber with both red and blue beams that was said to be related to its owner's themes and powers of "fire and ice" and duality, however very little is known about its owner other than that he might've been bald. The saber was designed by Rick Carter.
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Luke was also going to have a bigger role in the new trilogy and would undertake Kira's training personally through 7 and 8, and he would finish Leia's training before dying heroically at the end of 9 (this is based on what Mark Hamill said according to George although there's some debate if this was George's original idea in the 80s after ROTJ or the idea George presented in 2012). However this was all changed which upset Mark. Like the Disney Trilogy, this trilogy was also set to take place some 20, 30 or even 40 years after the original.

Here are pictures of concept art and promo material that were made when George was still around. Note that a few of these were made as they removed George, like the ones of Sam as a stormtrooper. I don't know at what point the pics of Kira in the junkyard were made as they could've been conceived before or after George left. There's also concept art of the characters exploring a sunken Death Star in search for a relic of the Emperor's containing info on all the sacred and historical jedi sites which is to be incorporated in IX, however I don't know if the sunken Death Star artwork is from before or after George left as Rick Carter did most of these at the time as he was doing art for JJ, like JJ's initial "red start destroyer" idea, and JJ was really pushing for maguffins at the time too.
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Also note that Rey's speeder and the aliens looked more interesting before Jake Lunt Davies took over as designer.

There's more to post, but frankly this post is already too over-cluttered as it is. Later I'll try and post info on the last restaurant in Galaxy's Edge, followed by the Cantina and lame-ass toy store.
Wait, I thought Lucas had no firm plans at all and wanted to do some microscopic midoclorean bullshit?
 
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