Blaire White / Robert Ryan White / Robbie Fagatron - Transgender token character in Maddox's cuck cabal

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

Instead of sawing off most of his nose, blaire should have considered some jaw shaving; it's always the first thing i notice and ugly nose aside, the biggest thing that signals "troon" (until you hear his voice)

 

[T0oCoolFool]

Leah Tverly is such low hanging fruit, I knew Blaire and Kalvin would eventually make a video about her since both of them have zero creativity or originality in their content. Don't they realize they're giving Leah exactly what she wants? You think Leah is crying about all the new views her videos are getting as a result of these videos making fun of her?

Anyway, Blaire and Kalvin made a colab video about transitioning:

Kalvin and Blaire talk about how straight people can be attracted to transgender people and still be straight. Kalvin says that her girlfriend is straight and only attracted to men. Kalvin's logic is that since her girlfriend only dated biological men before her, not only is it proof that her girlfriend is straight, but it also implies that Kalvin also looks like a man. I'm sorry, but Kalvin does not look nor sound like a man in any way. She looks like a butch lesbian... because that's what she is. When Kalvin tries hard from certain angles, you might say she looks like a guy, but only if she doesn't move or talk. Once she's in motion and/or talking, there's no way you'd confuse her for a guy. Sorry Kalvin, but you're one of those transmen that didn't get a deep voice or masculization from taking T. Your girlfriend is either a lesbian or bisexual, and that's fine.

Blaire does the same thing and claims that Joey is straight because he only dated biological women before dating Blaire. While I think Blaire passes better than Kalvin, at the end of the day Blaire still has a dick, so no, Joey isn't straight. He's bi or a gay guy that likes really feminine men, which is completely fine. It's so cringy when Kalvin and Blaire feel the need to "prove" that their partners are "straight" to validate their gender identity.

Also, it's so cringy the way Kalvin and Blaire act like they are better than transtrenders, claiming that transtrenders are giving REAL transgender people a bad reputation. I'll give them both credit to the fact that they both don't like putting kids on hormone blockers, but that's about it. In the end, they're still two insecure gay people who drank the trans koolaid back when this movement started. Neither one of them put in real effort to use therapy to fix their gender dysphoria. Neither of them consider the fact that they could have out grown their gender dysphoria had they not started transing at a young age. Nope, they both "suddenly realized" they were transgender when they were teenagers and they both pumped their bodies full of hormones. They're both wasting large sums of money to butcher their bodies permanently in a futile attempt to mimic the opposite sex.


What's worse is the fact that Kalvin and Blaire are both promoting this shit to their young audience and they think that it's fine. They both pretend that their repackaged transgender nonsense is fine because it's less obnoxious compared to the transtrenders of tumblr, but in the end, they're still using their platform to steer impressionable and confused kids down a harmful route with severe and permanent consequences.

 

[NimertiS]

What happened to the whole mantra about NOT using physical violence against people you disagree with, Blaire?

I mean, some men are violent, so does Blaire

 

[AprilRains]

What happened to the whole mantra about NOT using physical violence against people you disagree with, Blaire?

I dunno. What happened to the distinction between feeling an urge and acting on it?

I'm no great fan of Blaire, but your argument here doesn't seem good to me. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Blaire White; let's not muddy the waters with bad ones.

 

[rocknrollmartian]

It's so cringy when Kalvin and Blaire feel the need to "prove" that their partners are "straight" to validate their gender identity.

Well said. Also it's sad to me that for a lot of people, "successfully" being trans so obviously hinges on other people's validation and attraction. ("It's MA'AM!")

And it's interesting that Blaire seems to believe that MtFs aren't really "being/doing" trans if they don't pursue a certain aesthetic, specifically the extreme Eden and Blaire "ladyboy blow-up doll" aesthetic. All of this trans stuff is kind of a contradictory mindfuck to me, but Blaire seems to view herself as the arbiter of transness, which is silly considering that biological women typically don't look or dress like her on the daily unless they're literal sex workers and/or Courtney Stodden.

 

[wellthathappened]

Blaire passes well in still photos. In videos he acts more like a gay man.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I dunno. What happened to the distinction between feeling an urge and acting on it?

I'm no great fan of Blaire, but your argument here doesn't seem good to me. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Blaire White; let's not muddy the waters with bad ones.

She hasn't been consistent with what she's been preaching, which is why I am criticizing.

She's said that using violence because of a disagreement with someone is wrong (which is a sentiment I fully agree with). In this video, because it's a cringy TERF, Blaire openly says "I'd get into a fight with this person" and "she needs to be slapped." It's a full contradiction of a lot of the things she's been telling her audience, if you ask me.

 

[wellthathappened]

Blaire is a male.

 

[Polystyrene Glioblastoma]

She hasn't been consistent with what she's been preaching, which is why I am criticizing.

She's said that using violence because of a disagreement with someone is wrong (which is a sentiment I fully agree with). In this video, because it's a cringy TERF, Blaire openly says "I'd get into a fight with this person" and "she needs to be slapped." It's a full contradiction of a lot of the things she's been telling her audience, if you ask me.

You can tell Blaire is using hyperbole to express her shock and isn't being serious.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

Anyone wanna guess who the bleeps are?

I am guessing Maya.

Two people in the comments think otherwise: "I think at 8:22 she says Laverne and Carmen, as in Laverne Cox and Carmen Carrera."

This is Carmen Carrera, a former RuPaul's Drag Race contestant:

Leah Tverly is such low hanging fruit

She makes herself into low hanging fruit by acting gross and weird online. It's like she is going out of her way to become a stereotype of the angry militant feminist. If you were honest you would also point out the fact that Leah Tverly has consistently been showing up in Kalvin Garrah's comment section to spew TERF agitprop. Kalvin only made a video about Leah Tverly because Leah felt the need to show up in his comment section to attack transitioners. I highly doubt Kalvin would have ever paid attention to Leah if she had not sought him out first.

Neither one of them put in real effort to use therapy to fix their gender dysphoria.

How do you know this? Have you ever watched the rest of Kalvin's videos? Kalvin said that he has had persistent cross-gender identification ever since he was a little girl and gave examples of this - like having mostly male friends and taking her shirt off to go topless with the boys because she didn't understand at the time that girls are not supposed to go topless with their male friends, she did it because she assumed herself to be another boy amongst the boys. I know TERFs do not consider that a valid reason for transitioning (because all transitions are bad and wrong and a capitulation to the patriarchy according to TERFs) but I thought I'd point out that Kalvin was not a case of ROGD like so many others we see nowadays. I know TERFs believe every single HSTS early transitioner is an ROGD case (just like they believe every adult transitioner is an AGP pedophile pervert), but that was not the case here.

Neither of them consider the fact that they could have out grown their gender dysphoria had they not started transing at a young age.

This statement shows that you have no idea what you're on about. Blaire did not transition as a teenager. Blaire transitioned as an adult at 21. If you had bothered to read some of the stuff in this thread before posting you'd already know this. I know you don't care about the details of people's transitions because you believe all transitions are wrong and bending over for the patriarchy, but don't come in here posting stuff that's plainly untrue.

 

[T0oCoolFool]

She makes herself into low hanging fruit by acting gross and weird online. It's like she is going out of her way to become a stereotype of the angry militant feminist. If you were honest you would also point out the fact that Leah Tverly has consistently been showing up in Kalvin Garrah's comment section to spew TERF agitprop. Kalvin only made a video about Leah Tverly because Leah felt the need to show up in his comment section to attack transitioners. I highly doubt Kalvin would have ever paid attention to Leah if she had not sought him out first.

Yes, I've seen her in other youtuber's comment section as well. She's just like other attention whores that shit up comment sections of Youtube. She's the Onisian of TERFs. Paying her any attention is stupid and giving her exactly what she wants.

How do you know this? Have you ever watched the rest of Kalvin's videos? Kalvin said that he has had persistent cross-gender identification ever since he was a little girl and gave examples of this - like having mostly male friends and taking her shirt off to go topless with the boys because she didn't understand at the time that girls are not supposed to go topless with their male friends, she did it because she assumed herself to be another boy amongst the boys. I know TERFs do not consider that a valid reason for transitioning (because all transitions are bad and wrong and a capitulation to the patriarchy according to TERFs) but I thought I'd point out that Kalvin was not a case of ROGD like so many others we see nowadays. I know TERFs believe every single HSTS early transitioner is an ROGD case (just like they believe every adult transitioner is an AGP pedophile pervert), but that was not the case here.

I have watched a lot of her videos, I watched her when she first started updating about her T journey. She was a tomboy that liked girls, who unfortunately grew up in a world that made her feel bad about not being a typical gender conforming girl. Her thinking she was "another boy" at a young age is not evidence of being transgender, lots of kids do that. I babysat a boy who thought he was a girl because he put on his mom's heels and lipstick. Obviously he's not a girl, he's a young boy that picked up on social mores (e.g. women wear heels and makeup) and with his limited understanding, he assumed that clothes and makeup meant he was a "girl" now.

I don't think Kalvin is a AGP pervert, I think that she is another victim to the insane transgender trend. I think she is like many young gays that feel pressured into transitioning because our society is still pretty homophobic despite the progress over the years. I think that she was like many teenagers, who felt confused and lost in life. Instead of growing up and learning to be more comfortable with herself, her body, and her sexual orientation, she hopped on a trend that seemed like a quick fix and easy answer to all of her problems.

This statement shows that you have no idea what you're on about. Blaire did not transition as a teenager. Blaire transitioned as an adult at 21. If you had bothered to read some of the stuff in this thread before posting you'd already know this. I know you don't care about the details of people's transitions because you believe all transitions are wrong and bending over for the patriarchy, but don't come in here posting stuff that's plainly untrue.

Maybe my math is wrong, I thought Blaire said he "knew" he was transgender at 17 and started transitioning when he was 18 or 19. Either way, I stand by the rest of my statements. He was an insecure gay guy (his old videos are more than proof of this) and he's promoting this lifestyle to his audience.

And I don't know why you keep bringing up shit like patriarchy and acting like I believe all transitions are wrong. I'm not a feminist, TERF, or whatever the hell you think I am. I don't think all transitions are wrong, but I do believe that a vast majority of them aren't legiament. I believe that most of them are either confused/insecure gays or incel perverts that have let their fetish get out of control, especially the transgenders in the last 5-10 years.

 

[SourDiesel]

Anyone wanna guess who the bleeps are?

I am guessing Maya.

Two people in the comments think otherwise: "I think at 8:22 she says Laverne and Carmen, as in Laverne Cox and Carmen Carrera."

This is Carmen Carrera, a former RuPaul's Drag Race contestant:

She makes herself into low hanging fruit by acting gross and weird online. It's like she is going out of her way to become a stereotype of the angry militant feminist. If you were honest you would also point out the fact that Leah Tverly has consistently been showing up in Kalvin Garrah's comment section to spew TERF agitprop. Kalvin only made a video about Leah Tverly because Leah felt the need to show up in his comment section to attack transitioners. I highly doubt Kalvin would have ever paid attention to Leah if she had not sought him out first.



How do you know this? Have you ever watched the rest of Kalvin's videos? Kalvin said that he has had persistent cross-gender identification ever since he was a little girl and gave examples of this - like having mostly male friends and taking her shirt off to go topless with the boys because she didn't understand at the time that girls are not supposed to go topless with their male friends, she did it because she assumed herself to be another boy amongst the boys. I know TERFs do not consider that a valid reason for transitioning (because all transitions are bad and wrong and a capitulation to the patriarchy according to TERFs) but I thought I'd point out that Kalvin was not a case of ROGD like so many others we see nowadays. I know TERFs believe every single HSTS early transitioner is an ROGD case (just like they believe every adult transitioner is an AGP pedophile pervert), but that was not the case here.



This statement shows that you have no idea what you're on about. Blaire did not transition as a teenager. Blaire transitioned as an adult at 21. If you had bothered to read some of the stuff in this thread before posting you'd already know this. I know you don't care about the details of people's transitions because you believe all transitions are wrong and bending over for the patriarchy, but don't come in here posting stuff that's plainly untrue.

ROGD is not the only bad reason young women transition. She's a butch lesbian just like others have mentioned. She's exactly what she looks like: a butch lesbian.

 

[Nocturna]

Good lord, she fucked up her nose so bad. Her nose was completely fine before. Honestly, the nose looks SO unnatural that it "harshes out" the rest of her features, making her look more masculine ... Especially without makeup.

I also think that Blaire has been pretty obsessive about losing weight, and it definitely shows in her face. Having a little bit of weight would do better for her face, in my opinion.

Honestly other than the jaw and nose, the thing that makes me think "man-face" the most is the distance between her nose and upper lip along with the laugh lines. And she makes it worse when she uses lip fillers or the lipstick over-drawn Drag Queen trick which makes the eye get drawn to that area more.

And really at this point while she did look more human-like in her videos pre-FFS, I'm starting to wonder if she really looked like that or if it was once again camera and lighting tricks. She did film at 480p in those old videos and drawned herself in the lamp-light whereas now she films in HD which just makes her features more noticeable when you just sit there and stare for a good while though you'll undoubtedly see her true look when she's not in control of the camera or lighting.

I also think that you may be right that more weight probably would at least fill in her neck-area to subtly conceal her jawline but facially, there's no changing that.

I actually saw the Jaclyn Glenn video and thought the same thing. Everything post nose job for Blaire has highlighted how manly she still looks. Her YT channel is a course on catfishing at this point, and it's funny how she talked so much shit about other trannies on YT, just to end up the same.

Yeah I had to do a double look when I noticed it because woof was it a sight compared to what you normally see on her channel. "Cat-fishing" lol It's kinda true with how so many people think she's so passable and in the back of your head you're thinking "Oh you don't even know... " She may know her way around an eyeliner pencil compared to someone like Riley Dennis but at the end of the day without the fancy lighting and angles, they all look like effeminate men in women's clothes only one has boob implants.

Decided to give this a look and the difference between the vid on her channel, the vid on Jaclyn's and the vid on Eve's is evident.

Yep exactly this. I didn't watch the Eden video (she annoys me) but as I expected, the look is consistent on both ends outside of her being in control of the camera/lighting.

Leah Tverly is such low hanging fruit, I knew Blaire and Kalvin would eventually make a video about her since both of them have zero creativity or originality in their content. Don't they realize they're giving Leah exactly what she wants? You think Leah is crying about all the new views her videos are getting as a result of these videos making fun of her?

Anyway, Blaire and Kalvin made a colab video about transitioning:

Kalvin and Blaire talk about how straight people can be attracted to transgender people and still be straight. Kalvin says that her girlfriend is straight and only attracted to men. Kalvin's logic is that since her girlfriend only dated biological men before her, not only is it proof that her girlfriend is straight, but it also implies that Kalvin also looks like a man. I'm sorry, but Kalvin does not look nor sound like a man in any way. She looks like a butch lesbian... because that's what she is. When Kalvin tries hard from certain angles, you might say she looks like a guy, but only if she doesn't move or talk. Once she's in motion and/or talking, there's no way you'd confuse her for a guy. Sorry Kalvin, but you're one of those transmen that didn't get a deep voice or masculization from taking T. Your girlfriend is either a lesbian or bisexual, and that's fine.

Blaire does the same thing and claims that Joey is straight because he only dated biological women before dating Blaire. While I think Blaire passes better than Kalvin, at the end of the day Blaire still has a dick, so no, Joey isn't straight. He's bi or a gay guy that likes really feminine men, which is completely fine. It's so cringy when Kalvin and Blaire feel the need to "prove" that their partners are "straight" to validate their gender identity.

Also, it's so cringy the way Kalvin and Blaire act like they are better than transtrenders, claiming that transtrenders are giving REAL transgender people a bad reputation. I'll give them both credit to the fact that they both don't like putting kids on hormone blockers, but that's about it. In the end, they're still two insecure gay people who drank the trans koolaid back when this movement started. Neither one of them put in real effort to use therapy to fix their gender dysphoria. Neither of them consider the fact that they could have out grown their gender dysphoria had they not started transing at a young age. Nope, they both "suddenly realized" they were transgender when they were teenagers and they both pumped their bodies full of hormones. They're both wasting large sums of money to butcher their bodies permanently in a futile attempt to mimic the opposite sex.


What's worse is the fact that Kalvin and Blaire are both promoting this shit to their young audience and they think that it's fine. They both pretend that their repackaged transgender nonsense is fine because it's less obnoxious compared to the transtrenders of tumblr, but in the end, they're still using their platform to steer impressionable and confused kids down a harmful route with severe and permanent consequences.

I'm glad someone else took notice of this. It gets really pathetic how these two try to reassure their audience that their partners are "straight". Joey is not straight. In fact, I am more than sure that he is one of those guys that had a Grindr account with no picture on it and wrote himself as "Discreet" and "Straight-Acting" (Gay/bi dudes on here will know this shtick, it's very common on gay apps). It's really not that uncommon to see a lot of "tranny admirers" secretly go after hyper feminine guys who look gender nonconforming. I remember in an older video Blaire did where they were trying to say that Joey wasn't gay and in it, she asked him a question on whether he had ever been attracted to guys "like him" (aka meaning looking masculine). Obviously he said no and she moved on from it but isn't it ironic that she didn't ask him if he was ever interested in feminine looking guys? Because not all guys look masculine, some guys do like to look feminine (some more than others to the point of having long hair, feminine makeup, and bits of crossdressing). She didn't even entertain that question. Hm... Plus he worked around Drag Queens and while this doesn't make someone gay, the poin I'm getting at is that he was obviously exposed to a different kind of guy where they looked hyper feminine to sometimes even "Fishy" ("Fishy" = Woman-like, it's a drag term lol). Now hey, maybe Joey isn't gay but he definitely is bisexual of the gynephilic variety (Gynephelia = attraction to femininity regardless of sex).

Well said. Also it's sad to me that for a lot of people, "successfully" being trans so obviously hinges on other people's validation and attraction. ("It's MA'AM!")

And it's interesting that Blaire seems to believe that MtFs aren't really "being/doing" trans if they don't pursue a certain aesthetic, specifically the extreme Eden and Blaire "ladyboy blow-up doll" aesthetic. All of this trans stuff is kind of a contradictory mindfuck to me, but Blaire seems to view herself as the arbiter of transness, which is silly considering that biological women typically don't look or dress like her on the daily unless they're literal sex workers and/or Courtney Stodden.

That is another good observation as I've noticed this too. So many MtFs dress like hookers or end up looking like blow-up dolls and not even females look like that on a day to day basis outside of sex-workers.

Blaire passes well in still photos. In videos he acts more like a gay man.

Yes Blaire definitely has mannerisms of a feminine gay man. If you've seen some of his old videos where he was going by "Robbie", you'll see that he acted the same way.

How do you know this? Have you ever watched the rest of Kalvin's videos? Kalvin said that he has had persistent cross-gender identification ever since he was a little girl and gave examples of this - like having mostly male friends and taking her shirt off to go topless with the boys because she didn't understand at the time that girls are not supposed to go topless with their male friends, she did it because she assumed herself to be another boy amongst the boys. I know TERFs do not consider that a valid reason for transitioning (because all transitions are bad and wrong and a capitulation to the patriarchy according to TERFs) but I thought I'd point out that Kalvin was not a case of ROGD like so many others we see nowadays. I know TERFs believe every single HSTS early transitioner is an ROGD case (just like they believe every adult transitioner is an AGP pedophile pervert), but that was not the case here.

I don't know a whole lot about Kalvin since I don't watch his content outside of the occasional video. I didn't know his backstory on how he became trans but after reading your synopsis, yeah no. Just because you prefer the company of males and want to do things that they do (go to the beach topless, have boy-cut hairstyles, etc.), it doesn't make you a boy. It's pretty obvious that Kalvin was a victim of the strict gender norms pushed onto people, especially when they're young. Feminine guys have it rough growing up but so do masculine girls. Parents, peers, friends (sometimes), and facilities like school can be very harsh or disapproving of when a gender norm is broken and must be shut down. Think about the young boy who wants to have long hair, wear a dress, or wear a dress. The reaction he'd get from his parents is that it's not normal and he needs to stop. And on the girl's end it's usually the mother who is not too keen on her daughter being too masculine. She won't let her daughter cut her hair to look like a guy's hairstyle or she'll make her dauughter wear a dress to places like Church or a family gathering even if she would rather wear pants or yes, it being socially acceptable for her to go to the pool or beach topless

I can't help but feel this kind of stuff plays a part into people thinking they must be trans because they get reprimanded for breaking the gender norm expected of them and they internalize all the negativity they can get from breaking it and thus come out as trans to justify their want to be feminine (guys) or masculine (girls).

 

[600lbsAnorexic]

I don't know a whole lot about Kalvin since I don't watch his content outside of the occasional video. I didn't know his backstory on how he became trans but after reading your synopsis, yeah no. Just because you prefer the company of males and want to do things that they do (go to the beach topless, have boy-cut hairstyles, etc.), it doesn't make you a boy. It's pretty obvious that Kalvin was a victim of the strict gender norms pushed onto people, especially when they're young. Feminine guys have it rough growing up but so do masculine girls. Parents, peers, friends (sometimes), and facilities like school can be very harsh or disapproving of when a gender norm is broken and must be shut down. Think about the young boy who wants to have long hair, wear a dress, or wear a dress. The reaction he'd get from his parents is that it's not normal and he needs to stop. And on the girl's end it's usually the mother who is not too keen on her daughter being too masculine. She won't let her daughter cut her hair to look like a guy's hairstyle or she'll make her dauughter wear a dress to places like Church or a family gathering even if she would rather wear pants or yes, it being socially acceptable for her to go to the pool or beach topless

I can't help but feel this kind of stuff plays a part into people thinking they must be trans because they get reprimanded for breaking the gender norm expected of them and they internalize all the negativity they can get from breaking it and thus come out as trans to justify their want to be feminine (guys) or masculine (girls).

Well, his parents were always very supportive and from my understanding were the type that goes "Oh, yeah, we always knew that"... I mean from what I remember he was on T at 16-17 and got his um... breast tissue removed at 18 y/o and both parents were there every step of the way, going as far as helping him film before and after the surgery. When you look at his pre-transition pictures as a girl they had long hair and dressed normie with a hint of tomboy and from what I remember he has always claimed it was this way because he was trying hard to accept his assigned sex.

From what I understand he went to a pretty liberal school... And this is where it gets a bit weird. He claims there were, like, I remember it was about 10 FTM transgender people in his school but maybe more. So after a period in this school he transitions socially and then goes on TikTok/Musicly/Whateverthefuck and is exposed to this, clique you could say, of hundreds of other FTM trans people - again all in the same age group. I don't know, I find it really weird - ROGD comes to mind, like it or not.

Another thing that made me pause is that he has a twin sister - which in itself means nothing but it makes you thunk. For one how he presented her on his channel and how they communicated - I remember it was a bit weird. He talked and showed his parents and you could tell they were close, etc. but showed her even after his pet reptiles on his channel out of nowhere - the whole thing was awkward enough to make me think it may have affected him in someway but that's speculation based on memories of a video for what it's worth.

I don't know how to feel abou this all, because I really wish I could say I support "real" trans people. It has become a social issue and I always prefered being on the "let's find real answers before we do something radical" side of the argument... That's what society is for - making sure we don't let people fuck up and keep them accountable so we don't ruin the future of said society.
But if even the "sceptic/conservative trans community" makes you pause so often, that leads to the question - who/where are the "real" trans people we could support and who we want to respect?

Meh, it's late, whatever.

 

[Nocturna]

Well, his parents were always very supportive and from my understanding were the type that goes "Oh, yeah, we always knew that"... I mean from what I remember he was on T at 16-17 and got his um... breast tissue removed at 18 y/o and both parents were there every step of the way, going as far as helping him film before and after the surgery. When you look at his pre-transition pictures as a girl they had long hair and dressed normie with a hint of tomboy and from what I remember he has always claimed it was this way because he was trying hard to accept his assigned sex.

From what I understand he went to a pretty liberal school... And this is where it gets a bit weird. He claims there were, like, I remember it was about 10 FTM transgender people in his school but maybe more. So after a period in this school he transitions socially and then goes on TikTok/Musicly/Whateverthefuck and is exposed to this, clique you could say, of hundreds of other FTM trans people - again all in the same age group. I don't know, I find it really weird - ROGD comes to mind, like it or not.

Another thing that made me pause is that he has a twin sister - which in itself means nothing but it makes you thunk. For one how he presented her on his channel and how they communicated - I remember it was a bit weird. He talked and showed his parents and you could tell they were close, etc. but showed her even after his pet reptiles on his channel out of nowhere - the whole thing was awkward enough to make me think it may have affected him in someway but that's speculation based on memories of a video for what it's worth.

I don't know how to feel abou this all, because I really wish I could say I support "real" trans people. It has become a social issue and I always prefered being on the "let's find real answers before we do something radical" side of the argument... That's what society is for - making sure we don't let people fuck up and keep them accountable so we don't ruin the future of said society.
But if even the "sceptic/conservative trans community" makes you pause so often, that leads to the question - who/where are the "real" trans people we could support and who we want to respect?

Meh, it's late, whatever.

While he may have been accepted by his parents, don't forget that I also said Peers, friends, and I forgot to say this but societal perception can also play a part in someone feeling hindered, nervous, or uncomfortable about their gender expression. For example maybe Kalvin is accepted by his parents and sister but what about people outside the main core family? Obviously his friends may have accepted him when he was living as a tomboyish girl but what about people outside the friend group? What about interactions with people in general society? Yeah people are mostly open-minded these days if you're in a diverse place and not some backwater town or country but that doesn't mean everyone is as accepting.

And lastly which is more concerning is that during Kalvin was a teen in the midst of this trans explosion (I'm like 12 years older than him and I remember full well when Tumblr Gender culture was taking over the alternative side of the internet involving kids as young as 12.). Who is to say that being around all these so called FTM people could've warped one into thinking they too must be trans because they share similar behavior patterns or sensibilities?

I dunno man, I just find things a little too dicey with this whole trans narrative when they can't even answer what it means ro "live as a woman" or "live as a man". Because they usually list of gender norm stereotypes to justify why they are trans ignoring that people can and do break the gender norms though it does lead to societal consequences. and hardships at times. I feel that people think calling themselves trans is the ultimate way to be true to theiir Gender nonconforming ways or sensibilities while having it be socially acceptable from society at large so long as they put in the moniker of "Woman" or "Man" in their gender.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

I don't know a whole lot about Kalvin since I don't watch his content outside of the occasional video. I didn't know his backstory on how he became trans but after reading your synopsis, yeah no. Just because you prefer the company of males and want to do things that they do (go to the beach topless, have boy-cut hairstyles, etc.), it doesn't make you a boy. It's pretty obvious that Kalvin was a victim of the strict gender norms pushed onto people, especially when they're young. Feminine guys have it rough growing up but so do masculine girls. Parents, peers, friends (sometimes), and facilities like school can be very harsh or disapproving of when a gender norm is broken and must be shut down. Think about the young boy who wants to have long hair, wear a dress, or wear a dress. The reaction he'd get from his parents is that it's not normal and he needs to stop. And on the girl's end it's usually the mother who is not too keen on her daughter being too masculine. She won't let her daughter cut her hair to look like a guy's hairstyle or she'll make her dauughter wear a dress to places like Church or a family gathering even if she would rather wear pants or yes, it being socially acceptable for her to go to the pool or beach topless

I can't help but feel this kind of stuff plays a part into people thinking they must be trans because they get reprimanded for breaking the gender norm expected of them and they internalize all the negativity they can get from breaking it and thus come out as trans to justify their want to be feminine (guys) or masculine (girls).

OK, fair enough, I can accept that you and all the TERFs on this forum who keep dogpiling my posts to let me know how much they hate me for defending Kalvin's transition, I can see that you're coming at this from a strict gender critical position where you view someone like Kalvin or Blaire only as victims of gender norms, but let me ask you this:

(I don't remember what Kalvin's name was pre-transition, I am sure he has mentioned this in a video but I am so used to seeing him as a boy that I can't even recall his female name, so I am just gonna use "Kalvin" retroactively)

What would you, if you were Kalvin's parent, say to a young girl like Kalvin who 1) had only male friends 2) was so used to being around the boys and acting like a boy that she did not differentiate between what boys are allowed to do and what girls are allowed to do, when she saw her male friends taking their shirts off, she too decided to take her shirt off because she didn't think anything of it?

Would you tell Kalvin to put their clothes back on "because you're a girl and girls don't do that"?
Would you tell Kalvin that it's wrong or shameful for girls to take their shirt off the way boys are allowed to? (ie, teaching them body shame)
What would you say if Kalvin wanted to argue about it? ("Why is it wrong for girls to take their shirt of, if the boys are allowed to do it?")
Would you tell Kalvin to stop hanging out with their male friends and tell them to go and hang out with girls more? (a lot of girls are prudish/judgemental and disapproving of girls who want to go topless in front of other women too.)
Or would you be the extremely progressive parent and tell Kalvin to go ahead and take their shirt off in the presence of boys, knowing that your daughter is very likely to get teased or groped by the boys for doing that?

I don't think all these know-it-all know-better TERFs have a practical answer to any of these questions. I bet all these TERFs who say that you should raise your kids in a gender neutral way wouldn't know what the right thing to do in this situation would be either. Hell, if they were truly militant feminists, they would probably tell Kalvin to cover up and fear/avoid all their male friends for being potential rapists. Isn't that how TERFs think about men? The militant feminist idea is that, if a woman takes off her shirt before a man she is voluntairly sexualizing herself, and that's the moment the man stops seeing her as a person and starts viewing her as a piece of meat he can grab at will. TERFs think that the moment a man views a pair of tits is the moment he loses his fucking mind. How is that not reinforcing gender stereotypes? Telling people to raise their kids in a gender neutral way is easier said than done. TERFs never consider the actual practical nitty gritty consequences of what they are advocating with gender neutral parenting.

 

[howyadoin]

I don't know a whole lot about Kalvin since I don't watch his content outside of the occasional video. I didn't know his backstory on how he became trans but after reading your synopsis, yeah no. Just because you prefer the company of males and want to do things that they do (go to the beach topless, have boy-cut hairstyles, etc.), it doesn't make you a boy.

I watched some of Kalvin's videos and he would also agree with your notion somewhat. He said that just because you act feminine/masculine, doesn't mean that you're female/male. He would display his painted nails as a sign that he's not completely masculine. I do sometimes question some of his behavior though, as he sometimes comes off like a woman when he gets all snappy.

About his trans experience, I recall him saying that he literally just didn't feel like he's suitable in a female body and that his dysphoria was so bad that he said that he'd kill himself had he not transitioned.

 

[600lbsAnorexic]

Yeah, sorry not sorry, but if I had to choose...

I would always perfer having Blaire as a daughter or Kalvin as a son than some "gender non-conforming" SJW-tumblr-leftist-feminist/feminist cuck brat as a child. I don't care if that's a "better concept for this issue" on paper - you could tell that in your Gender Studies class for all I care. That's some radical feminist bullshit beyond "oh, let's see how we could treat dysphoria before taking important decisions, suicide rates are high after surgery" (100% agree) or even the plain old "transgenders are just fags!!!!"

I guess some people's dream-person is, in fact, Leah Tverly. So much so they would love to raise kids like her?
Or just don't see how their pet theory would look in reality?

Give me all the hats now, lol.

 

[SourDiesel]

Almost anyone would rather have a trans son/friend/coworker than a butch lesbian daughter/friend/coworker/etc. That's like 90% of the problem. No one likes gender non-conforming people and since the trans shit has been going on so long, young GNC teens have no role models other than everyone telling them to transition. That's the element no one seems to grasp but it's the most important one when your talking about trans men like Kalvin. Everyone hates women that are too masculine. It's just a fact.

 

[600lbsAnorexic]

I don't think of gay and/or lesbian when we are talking about "gender non-conformity" in the context of transgenderism.
Lesbian and gay aren't genders neither is butch or twink. We have been living with them since the world exist and nobody cares.

Leah Tverly isn't just a "butch lesbian" - she's a psycho feminist, doing everything possible to bend gender norms because of the Patriarchy™. Like not washing her hair or living in a tent or pissing on the floor or whatever. She sacrificed her gender identity for a leftist philosophy... Sorry, I find that extreme.

And not directed to who I'm answering but....
I thought Kalvin was just a butch lesbian anyways? Now people prefer him because he's FTM?
Huh, this thread is wild with it's mental gymnastics, lol.