Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Love Soze]

I've had to give FOUR refunds this week, and that's far too many.

I've blocked or muted everyone on those screengrabs except for BLEEDING FOOL, which has agreed to make me a columnist there.

Most people in the screenshots were cherries responding to shit. I have no doubt you blocked them and had no problem doing so.

I couldn't help but notice the HailWC emoji in your membership chat. Hilarious. People told you interviewing SJWs like Waid and Slott was a mistake. People told you Morgue was gayops. People told you Doug was no good. People now tell you that WC is killing CG. I admit, it's gonna be fun to watch when it happens, but it sure will be a waste.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Most people in the screenshots were cherries responding to shit. I have no doubt you blocked them and had no problem doing so.

I couldn't help but notice the HailWC emoji in your membership chat. Hilarious. People told you interviewing SJWs like Waid and Slott was a mistake. People told you Morgue was gayops. People told you Doug was no good. People now tell you that WC is killing CG. I admit, it's gonna be fun to watch when it happens, but it sure will be a waste.

I was listening to Rackets stream that he was hosting with Doug Tennapel tonight, and again WC is fucking with Doug by @ing the Kick Vic crowd with a clip in which he said that Vic is probably guilty. That's their grudge attempting to fuck with his campaign drive, well you don't screw with Doug's money and not expect a response.
Every time they fuck with Doug, he puts them on blast to a very large audience on Racket's streams, an audience that should be sympathetic to Comicsgate and which has a lot of crossover with the movement. Doug made 30k out of one stream with Reketia alone and now those fuckwits are alienating that very large audience with their antics.
Plus you have to ask yourself if any sympathetic pro looking at what's going on would consider Comicsgate anything other then toxic at this stage. Would you want to be within a barge-pole's length of these people?
Yeah these cherries are bitter faggot cry babies and most of the agro going on always seems to lead back to some sped with a clown avatar, but Warcampaign are clearly too exceptional to realise that theyre behaving exactly like the people they presume to condemn in response, brigading, guilt by association, purity testing, nebulous accusations and throwing around the word pedo the way SJWs throw around Nazi, and that's turning a lot of people off.
WC clearly only have one gear, full reeetard.
They're the IBS wing of Comicsgate, even down that that exceptional individual Panboy challenging everybody to fight him IRL like Tonkasaw. If you ignore your history, you're doomed to repeat it. How did getting involved with the Kumite's retardation and all the exceptional individuals that orbited it work out for the Skeptics?
Not well.

 

[KingofNothing]

Most people in the screenshots were cherries responding to shit. I have no doubt you blocked them and had no problem doing so.

I couldn't help but notice the HailWC emoji in your membership chat. Hilarious. People told you interviewing SJWs like Waid and Slott was a mistake. People told you Morgue was gayops. People told you Doug was no good. People now tell you that WC is killing CG. I admit, it's gonna be fun to watch when it happens, but it sure will be a waste.

Doug would be friendlier with CG if WC didn't keep fucking with him. Cecil is starting to act like a sped too. He bitched for like two days over Doug donating to Vic's gofundme.

By the way, CG is turning into a SJW Rainbow Movement with WC constantly doing purity tests on people. I guarantee Doug would have left on better terms if WC wasn't full of speds. And stop airing out your drama online like a bunch of gossiping women. You know each other, DM's exist for a reason.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

Vestige was actually interesting, and I like Donal's work. But because of how WC acts, I skipped their book. If Doug wants to leave CG to keep his EWJ stuff, then let him, grow up and move on. He doesn't seem to have a problem with people talking about him, or saying hi to Ethan in chat, or getting on with Antonio Brice, so leave him alone.

WC is not just a bunch of super fans anymore, prominent members of their little clique now have a book out. They cannot act this way towards potential customers and other people. This isn't acceptable from Nerkish, Doug, Mike Miller, Nasser, cherries, or any of the people siding with MARVEL and DC and the other 'Mainstream comics'.

 

[Jub-Jub]

WC faggots have been bitching every-time Doug has been on rackets show. The explanation Doug gives on the first? EWJ Rackets stream (just after crossing $100k) is very reasonable. He acknowledges that he fucked up with the 'making of BFB' book tier, how he can't just do a reprint, and due to the economics it'll be international backers who get screwed. He is open about how he fucked up including the ~$16/18k postage bath and fully refunds everybody who asks (many don't due to the stretch goals).

WC's Sketch therapy continues to harass him despite getting a full refund, the book (and a .pdf of the making of? going from memory). Further due to the EWJ licensing deal he can't hang around with the CG crew due to a 'morality clause'. Anti-CG (aka all mainstream shill sites) already hate the fuck out of him for being evangelical christian and kotaku? (a much more popular site than any comic shit) had already taken a big swing at him. Given the track record it's not very hard to see how a dozen articles drop the same day about Doug being a member of the nazi party and losing the EWJ rights. Doug has been trying to claw the rights back for 20 years and these speds want him to throw it all away.

The only other Doug problem I've seen is when he said fuck you to WC trying to throw out that editor/whatever. That dude said some stupid shit about dox (WC fags have now started openly talking about doxing customers) and was involved in Pando's fight me IRL gayops. I'm not going to defend that dude, but Doug was right about the purity tests.

Regarding the WW, Doug was pretty honest the first time he came to it. Like many others he saw smoke and thought that there must be fire. It's easy to go back now and say how Vic is a saint, but on Feb 11th? The 'true and honest' factual record was that Vic was a massive repeat offending paedophillic rapist, and Doug couldn't believe that friends of 2 decades could backstab like that. Once more information gets out and reality sinks in he quickly realises (like many others) just how bullshit the situation is.

 

[Puddleduck]

Is there anything good coming out of Marvel and DC nowadays?

Even as a kid the only Marvel comics I liked were Spidey and sometimes X-Men, while I liked all the DC I came across. so I'm probably a bit biased...

The non-main Batmans are currently all pretty good - DCeased,White Knight, and I picked up the first Last Knight on Earth today, which has the same team as the New 52s Batman. All of these are out of the main continuity, so make of that what you will Superman is fine. Adventures of Super Son finished recently, that was pretty good as well! Not as good as the first maxi-series, but still good. Generally anything by Tomasi. Depending on how far back "nowadays" extends, but Batman and Robin is good too, especially when Knightwing was filling in for Batman

 

[Starscreams Cape]

Think it's a bad idea to be a columnist for Bleeding Fool as well.

Well damn, I know I might take life advice from a dumb faggot on a message board, but somehow I doubt EVS will.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I was listening to Rackets stream that he was hosting with Doug Tennapel tonight, and again WC is fucking with Doug by @ing the Kick Vic crowd with a clip in which he said that Vic is probably guilty. That's their grudge attempting to fuck with his campaign drive, well you don't screw with Doug's money and not expect a response.
Every time they fuck with Doug, he puts them on blast to a very large audience on Racket's streams, an audience that should be sympathetic to Comicsgate and which has a lot of crossover with the movement. Doug made 30k out of one stream with Reketia alone and now those fuckwits are alienating that very large audience with their antics.
Plus you have to ask yourself if any sympathetic pro looking at what's going on would consider Comicsgate anything other then toxic at this stage. Would you want to be within a barge-pole's length of these people?
Yeah these cherries are bitter faggot cry babies and most of the agro going on always seems to lead back to some sped with a clown avatar, but Warcampaign are clearly too exceptional to realise that theyre behaving exactly like the people they presume to condemn in response, brigading, guilt by association, purity testing, nebulous accusations and throwing around the word pedo the way SJWs throw around Nazi, and that's turning a lot of people off.
WC clearly only have one gear, full reeetard.
They're the IBS wing of Comicsgate, even down that that exceptional individual Panboy challenging everybody to fight him IRL like Tonkasaw. If you ignore your history, you're doomed to repeat it. How did getting involved with the Kumite's exceptionalism and all the exceptional individuals that orbited it work out for the Skeptics?
Not well.

I still think CG is going to implode just like GG did.

 

[Dredgen]

So Zack took something like 8hrs to pass the shitty 30+ creator compilation deadbeats? That was originally made to mock him right? Race baiting fake christmas's latest effort will also be passed in no time at all.

Correction, 29 creators and 1 fail whale

 

[Puddleduck]

I still think CG is going to implode just like GG did.

Hmmm, maybe.

GG had very little for Joe Shmoe, whereas CG produces comicbooks. While I can't honestly see retail dying, I think shelfspace will shrink and be dominated by the Big Two.

Indie creators will need to find a different outlet, and it could well be something roughly in the mold of CG, even if it's not CG in its current form.

 

[LL 196]

Hmmm, maybe.

GG had very little for Joe Shmoe, whereas CG produces comicbooks. While I can't honestly see retail dying, I think shelfspace will shrink and be dominated by the Big Two.

Indie creators will need to find a different outlet, and it could well be something roughly in the mold of CG, even if it's not CG in its current form.

The last hurdle seems to be getting the books down to $5-$10 without having to rely on ratfink publishers.

 

[Puddleduck]

The last hurdle seems to be getting the books down to $5-$10 without having to rely on ratfink publishers.

Well without TMIing I can only talk about short illustrated novels, but it's completely doable with POD services. Thinking about it, 8x10 books can be printed and page size doesn't affect price ...

I know part of the appeal of crowdfunding is watching it go up, but POD providers can have a book available to print for the publisher, but not "visible" to anyone else. That would make fulfilment super-easy, as EVS could use the service and send it straight to the customer; you can also order author copies to be sent directly to you, and it only costs the postage and printing, so EVS could include whatever else and sign it, for example. But fulfuilling through POD would be economical and doable for just the comics.

 

[LateNightComics]

Well without TMIing I can only talk about short illustrated novels, but it's completely doable with POD services. Thinking about it, 8x10 books can be printed and page size doesn't affect price ...

I know part of the appeal of crowdfunding is watching it go up, but POD providers can have a book available to print for the publisher, but not "visible" to anyone else. That would make fulfilment super-easy, as EVS could use the service and send it straight to the customer; you can also order author copies to be sent directly to you, and it only costs the postage and printing, so EVS could include whatever else and sign it, for example. But fulfuilling through POD would be economical and doable for just the comics.

The main issue with print on demand is not the quality (from what I've ordered recently it's very HQ) Its the cost.
POD aren't going to take an order for 10k issues when it's way cheaper to upgrade to a full print run at that point.
Comics has a very small overhead for the original creator and almost always costs them money in the beginning. Unless someone orders a pod (like what Rags was doing before AP).
That or you can let the image gatekeepers and nu-CCA go through it for $2500 but the troons will lynch you like they did Chelsea Cain.
The goal is to print as cheaply as possible so you can pay the creative team more for follow up work, concept art and pages.

 

[Comicsgeist]

Hmmm, maybe.

GG had very little for Joe Shmoe, whereas CG produces comicbooks. While I can't honestly see retail dying, I think shelfspace will shrink and be dominated by the Big Two.

Indie creators will need to find a different outlet, and it could well be something roughly in the mold of CG, even if it's not CG in its current form.

I had high hopes for Comicsgate for exactly those reasons.
Gamergate's attempt at a consumer revolt never really stood a chance of achieving more then a limited success, gaming's just too big to have a real and sustained impact, but a small and shrinking industry like comics....
How many comics buyers are there left and what's their demographics? Few, mostly 30's-40's, mostly male and white. In other words, the type of consumers mostly likely to be pissed off by the antics of industry and say so, as evidenced by the general contempt so many SJW pro's seem to have for their audience.
When your average book is selling 35k copies, it's no wonder the pros lost their mind when Ya Boi started roasting their books, because even in the early days, Zack had at least as many subs as a mid range selling book. In other words, he could actually 'move the needle' with a review. If you had a book selling near cancellation levels, 16-20k, it wouldn't take much of a move to get a a book shit-canned. That's REAL consumer power and it cause the industry to damn well near loose it's mind.
Better still, while it was impossible for gamergate to offer a competing product to triple A games, all that is required to do so in comics, is for an artist to pick up his pen and walk away. Even more encouragingly, a pro could do that and make more money then they could hope to in the industry.
Comicsgate looked to be the movement with the talent and energy to fight back, it's a shame that it seems so determined to be infected by the same disease that's killing the industry itself and repeat the same mistakes as all the other #gates.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I had high hopes for Comicsgate for exactly those reasons.
Gamergate's attempt at a consumer revolt never really stood a chance of achieving more then a limited success, gaming's just too big to have a real and sustained impact, but a small and shrinking industry like comics....
How many comics buyers are there left and what's their demographics? Few, mostly 30's-40's, mostly male and white. In other words, the type of consumers mostly likely to be pissed off by the antics of industry and say so, as evidenced by the general contempt so many SJW pro's seem to have for their audience.
When your average book is selling 35k copies, it's no wonder the pros lost their mind when Ya Boi started roasting their books, because even in the early days, Zack had at least as many subs as a mid range selling book. In other words, he could actually 'move the needle' with a review. If you had a book selling near cancellation levels, 16-20k, it wouldn't take much of a move to get a a book shit-canned. That's REAL consumer power and it cause the industry to damn well near loose it's mind.
Better still, while it was impossible for gamergate to offer a competing product to triple A games, all that is required to do so in comics, is for an artist to pick up his pen and walk away. Even more encouragingly, a pro could do that and make more money then they could hope to in the industry.
Comicsgate looked to be the movement with the talent and energy to fight back, it's a shame that it seems so determined to be infected by the same disease that's killing the industry itself and repeat the same mistakes as all the other #gates.

I'm probably biased as I'm probably on the younger side when it comes to people into comics (started really in high school, currently in college) but it confuses me when pros assume their audience are white morbidly obese virgins pushing 60 who just need to die so everyone realises how totally awesome Riri Williams is.

I've seen more people who resemble YaBoi at different stages of their life. Meanwhile the stereotype brings to mind.....well, Mark Waid. My assumption is they're going off old stereotypes of "nerds" in general rather that anything unique to that demographic. It'd be like calling card game spergs "friendless" when it doesn't fit their shtick.

Closest thing off the top of my head is like when sites use the typical gamer stereotype to insult fighting game fans...who mostly seem to be black people.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I'm probably biased as I'm probably on the younger side when it comes to people into comics (started really in high school, currently in college) but it confuses me when pros assume their audience are white morbidly obese virgins pushing 60 who just need to die so everyone realises how totally awesome Riri Williams is.

I've seen more people who resemble YaBoi at different stages of their life. Meanwhile the stereotype brings to mind.....well, Mark Waid. My assumption is they're going off old stereotypes of "nerds" in general rather that anything unique to that demographic. It'd be like calling card game spergs "friendless" when it doesn't fit their shtick.

Closest thing off the top of my head is like when sites use the typical gamer stereotype to insult fighting game fans...who mostly seem to be black people.

Same for me too, at my local shop the regulars tend to be on the younger side.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Same for me too, at my local shop the regulars tend to be on the younger side.

My point is more the childless loser stereotype seems weird since I notice a bunch of dads. Maybe I'm in the wrong but it feels like a misplaced stereotype.

Aren't like most of the CG guys married or have kids?

 

[Comicsgeist]

My point is more the childless loser stereotype seems weird since I notice a bunch of dads. Maybe I'm in the wrong but it feels like a misplaced stereotype.

Aren't like most of the CG guys married or have kids?

I'm talking about age and gender demographics, not social status, you can be male and in your 30s-40's, read comics and be a perfectly functional member of society, shocker I know!
Now it's probably at least a decade since I darkened the door of my local comic book store, so it's interesting to know who's frequenting them these days, but are they buying comicbooks or gaming and buying all the other stuff that LCS need to stock these days to survive?
It's hard to get an accurate picture, on the one hand you have shill sites trying to convince you that women account for nearly 50% of readers:

Market Research Says 46.67% of Comic Fans are Female

Market Research Says 46.67% of Comic Fans are Female Tweet While we don’t have any market research, the eyes don’t lie. If you go to conventions and comic book stores, more and more female readers …

www.comicsbeat.com

Which Marvel seems to believe..

"While we don’t have any market research, the eyes don’t lie. If you go to conventions and comic book stores, more and more female readers are emerging. They are starved for content and looking for content they can relate to.
– Axel Alonso, Marvel’s editor-in-chief

That's nice Axel, but since launching all these pandering titles ......where are the fuckin' sales?

Meanwile Newsarama tells me that:

Is the Average Age of Comic Book Readers Increasing? Retailers Talk State of the Business 2017

The greying of the comic book readership? Not so fast.

www.newsarama.com

"According to most retailers we surveyed, ongoing comic book consumers have aged in recent years to average in their mid- to late-30s."
"When we opened in 1988, we located close to three high schools, several middle and elementary schools," said Joe Field, owner of Flying Colors Comics in Concord, California. "Back then, the average age of a Flying Colors customer was about 18. These days, the average age is 35. Yes, comics sure have matured!"

With a lack of new readers coming in that makes more sense to me, as does the fact that it's not girls buying cape shit.

 

[CamelCursive]

With a lack of new readers coming in that makes more sense to me, as does the fact that it's not girls buying cape shit.

A fun fucking fact- I know more women that play Warhammer than I know actual female comic fans. The closest thing I know to a female comic fan was one of the 90's X-Men fans (and there's no shame in that, most of us were those kind of fans and we don't want to admit it).

However, I know there are a shitload of women that like to dress up like slutty characters for a wide variety of reasons, whether it be profit or attention. And comics have no shortage of slutty-looking gals. Maybe that's all the women at cons they were thinking about.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm probably biased as I'm probably on the younger side when it comes to people into comics (started really in high school, currently in college) but it confuses me when pros assume their audience are white morbidly obese virgins pushing 60 who just need to die so everyone realises how totally awesome Riri Williams is.

Part of the whole "get woke go broke" stereotype is they just assume that for some reason, their audience is complete retards who can just be shooed into their next cuck cage and they aren't going to rebel, and that the ones who do rebel against being fed low quality content are just evil racists, or whatever, whose opinions can just be ignored.

This is why so many have not only withdrawn their financial support from these scumbags, but have actually redirected their money to directly attacking them.

And somehow, even after this, they still don't get it.