Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Genkoda]

I can see why Ty was giddy, even if Vic wasn't trying to troll lemonhead it sure comes off like he was pissing him off with how positive he was being.

Honestly im picturing lemonade just getting more and more fustrated as the hours go on that he is not breaking vic.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Honestly im picturing lemonade just getting more and more annoyed as the hours go on.

So he went from regular lemonade, to strawberry lemonade?

 

[Soviras]

Your whole post is great but this is my favorite part. It's looking more and more like these rumors about him being a pedophile and creep started with Manjaw, the proven liar. All those people who say they were "warned" about Vic while at a convention, I wonder how many of those warnings came from her or people she talked to.

Does BHBH get to question her about her affidavit? Because that should be interesting.

BHBH might be able to question her, yes. If her affidavit is relevant to the case, they have reason to bring her in. This goes for anyone with an affidavit that's relevant to the case for either side.

So, you guys know that #kickvic is doing the very thing that they were suspected to do before depositions, right?

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I'm just going to say... I wonder what they cut from that part of the deposition.

Poor guy had to find out by accident that they were just fucking him over for no reason other than being woke.

Was it an accident, or did someone let him know while making it look like an accident? Not everyone was against him.

 

[Duke-Diggler]

I just got around to read some of the deposition.

It's so strange that this exceptional lolyer could screech about Kiwi farms and claims to use this as evidence.

These faggots do know... that no one controls kiwi farms posters... right?

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

BREAKING NEWS
"It couldn't possibly get more exceptional than this" says increasingly flabbergasted Kiwifarms users hours before it does so for the Nth time this entire lolsuit.

Days since last exceptional incident: 0
We never bothered erasing the zero.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The heebie-jeebies of real-person shipping aside, I think it's hilarious that no one thought of Vic/Monica because I remember in Ghost Stories, they made a couple of aside jabs at Vic/Hilary Haag. I'm actually kinda shocked Haag hasn't spoken up about this, you'd think her politics would align with Monica's in that she'd be super supportive of her.

Whatever happened to Haag? I can't think of any anime she was in for years.

 

[Genkoda]

Days since last exceptional incident: 0
We never bothered erasing the zero.

The other numbers have been collecting dust at this point

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Whatever happened to Haag? I can't think of any anime she was in for years.

She mainly does stuff for Sentai nowadays.

 

[TenMilesWide]

BREAKING NEWS
"It couldn't possibly get more exceptional than this" says increasingly flabbergasted Kiwifarms users hours before it does so for the Nth time this entire lolsuit.

At every turn the stupidity grows. In the places it's supposed to slow down, it only speeds up.

And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this isn't even 10% of this case's true power. This is it holding back.

 

[Padoru]

The other numbers have been collecting dust at this point

There are other numbers?

 

[Jub-Jub]

cow crossover

https://twitter.com/NakatomiTim/status/1148711058502234114 http://archive.is/VpdqH

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

This always happens. I take a nap and when I wake up, there was a shitstorm that happens

BUT. I think the reason why Vic and Caitlin were shipped together at a point was because she did the VA work for Winry Rockbell, who had canon ship tease with Ed, who Vic voiced. That sounds like it would be the reason.

It probably wasn't that it was more Vic being Tamaki and Caitlin being Haruhi in Ouran High school host club

 

[TheClappening]

Whatever happened to Haag? I can't think of any anime she was in for years.

I remember reading a show just came out that she has a lead role in. Clumsy Ueno or something.


And this is the man they're trying to defame. When some anime fan comes up to Vic and is overwhelmed by weeby emotion, and Vic gives them a hug and a peck on the forehead to comfort and reassure them, they want to paint it as sexual molestering.

Fuck. Fuck. As I was following the case, it was always people saying this to other people, or talking shit on forums or twitter, or whatever. And while I believe Vic has a strong case, and like his work, and think the accusations are bullshit, it was always kind of dispassionate, distant. But here, Lemwaaah slapping Vic in the face with it... it's starting to make me mad. They're trying to destroy a man because he liked hugging fans.

 

[Peasant]

If Vic were constantly behaving intimately with Monica in front of fans, they would have picked up on it, and they would have started shipping it.

Mashing a pair of fictional characters together and pretending they have a cute romance is one thing, but doing the same to real people is a whole new level of autism.

 

[The Singer Of Songs]

This....just makes my head hurt.

I mean, it doesn't seem like they're going after Vic anymore. It's now all Nick and Ty. Which tells me that Casey is not pulling any strings anymore. It's all J. Sean McGraw.

 

[Coach Kreeton Of All That]

I just got around to read some of the deposition.

It's so strange that this exceptional lolyer could screech about Kiwi farms and claims to use this as evidence.

These faggots do know... that no one controls kiwi farms posters... right?

That's exactly the thing. KV and the super lolyers can't comprehend KiwiFarms is a conglomerate of different minds. They were those kids who grew up sheltered in a bubble throughout their lives thinking life is like a popularity contest in high school. They want to find the people born without wealth or seem like the friendless type to pick on for sick gains. When they fuck with the wrong people, they enter a delusion that there are "haters" when in reality, KV started shit. They have never been through a single hardship, known humility, and their parents kept coddling them enough to have a need to make up a boogieman to make up for the adversity they never faced in their lives. That boogieman to them is the Farms.

A good example of that is how many cows have blamed the farms for bad things that have happened to them rather than realize they were wrong cognitively and goofed hard. Alison Rapp, Mike Holland, Chris McGee, the list goes on. These cows won't realize their shortcomings so when the Farms points and laughs as usual, they hype up and blow things out of proportion to seem like they were wronged.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Before the yaoi thing, and even continuing on past that, people were ALWAYS butt chapped over his religion.

Again, Bertschy and Sevakis spent more time on this subject in their 2013 ANN interview than any one thing.

 

[Allanon]

Man, you or someone needs to make this into a video format.

It would probably be way less likely to inspire 'tl;dr' from random passersby were it in video format.

The heebie-jeebies of real-person shipping aside, I think it's hilarious that no one thought of Vic/Monica because I remember in Ghost Stories, they made a couple of aside jabs at Vic/Hilary Haag. I'm actually kinda shocked Haag hasn't spoken up about this, you'd think her politics would align with Monica's in that she'd be super supportive of her.

Real person shipping is weird, but it is a constant in fandom, and exactly what Monica is playing off of when she's saying she can't make a fuss and all that. I'm not saying no one shipped those two, I'm just saying that when I read through every single page on Google using the term 'Vic Mignogna' (or 'vic' or 'mignogna') from 2000 to 2014 (and then part of 2015) I didn't see anything of the sort. Which is during the timeframe Monica claims this was happening.

Also, Vic and Caitlin are in fact long term, very close friends. She has led some of his worship services with him.

A quote from an interview with him (the tangle one):

Together with Caitlin Glass (Vic: “Ah, my darling!”), Vic has often led worship services on Sunday mornings at conventions he’s attended. It started when they both attended Youmacon in Detroit many years ago and Caitlin suggested that the two, who were each involved in worship that their own churches, have a worship time. Vic played the piano and the two sang. The silent hotel soon became a hustle and bustle as a crowd gathered. And thus was born a tradition:

"So I sat down at the piano and quietly played and she and I sang songs together and closed our eyes and spent a little time worshipping. Opened my eyes and there were kids all around the piano – like 50 kids at least, jammed in. So I go, “Oh, wow,” where did they come from, right? And I just happened to have my New Testament in my back pocket and I started sharing and the following weeks after that convention, Caitlin and I got so many positive emails and encouraging letters from the people who were there. And I thought, “Maybe this is what I’m supposed to be doing.” Maybe God put me where he put me not to make much of Vic Mignogna, but to make much of Him and to share his love with these kids, a lot of whom have been very disenchanted and disenfranchised from Christianity by people in their lives who have told them that God hates anime and God hates that they wear black and God hates that they pierce their noses and God hates that they have purple hair and blah blah blah blah blah, all of which God doesn’t give a flying flip about. God loves them and who they are on the inside and that is the message that I want to share with these kids more than anything."

(Yes, Vic started doing Christian panels because CAITLIN suggested it, and the people loved it)

Is it because his mere being Christians reminded them that their parents wouldn't approve of the (oftentimes sexual) debauchery many of them were invariably involved in at these cons?

Also, your entire writeup is very curious. Nice 'search.

I've been making the conjecture a couple months back about Monica having sour grapes stemming from them being a thing at some point, but the fact that there's no discernible shipping between them by fans is notable. If they were a thing, it'd be impossible for nobody to notice-- it shouldn't have even been a matter of noticing, but rather a matter of noticing that they've been in the same room together sometimes. She's outright made a show of hugging him at one convention, she's had playful banter with others in public that's invoked his name.

This is really curious, because it suggests Vic had beyond nothing to do with her, even though they were friends. It's almost paradoxical if I take you at face value.

BUT. I think the reason why Vic and Caitlin were shipped together at a point was because she did the VA work for Winry Rockbell, who had canon ship tease with Ed, who Vic voiced. That sounds like it would be the reason.

In contrast, IIRC, Rial voiced Dante, who had been body-hopping for centuries to avoid death and at best made a very solid-yet-brief pass at Ed because he was the son of her previous lover and fellow body-hopper who abandoned her after he fell in love with Ed's mom/realized that he couldn't keep the body-hopping up forever because every body they hopped to decayed faster than the last.

According to Vic, he believes it's because he stands up for his beliefs and won't bow.

"…if you look at any videos, look at any documentation of me interacting with fans and you will not find one example of me being cruel or mean or short or in any way being rude or dismissive ever, ever, ever, ever, EVER, EVER, EVER. In the 250 conventions and the tens of thousands of kids I’ve met, I have never mistreated or been rude or cruel or condescending ever. So why do they hate me? Why do these people hate me? There’s only one conceivable reason. Cause I take a stand for my faith. Because I share my faith. And somehow that makes me a big target for ridicule and people make up horrible lies about me. Horrible lies! Things that are so disgusting, and I think, who has time in their day, in their life, to sit around and make up hurtful stories about somebody who has never done anything to them or anyone else and then take the time to post it, and cause all kinds of horrible rumors and stuff?"

Also this, just to remind you how awful these people spreading rumors are “I try not to allow it to get me upset, but it can be discouraging when you try so hard to be kind to every single person you meet and yet there are kids out there who are just dead set on being hateful and causing you trouble. It’s really disappointing.”


Anyway, according to Vic's own words, it seems that he actually did make out with her once and made a pass at her, but that she said they shouldn't, and when he next saw her, said she was seeing someone. So it may be that they flirted with the idea for a bit, Monica got cold feet and shut it down, but then later regretted it after Vic had already moved on.

 

[INVCTS]

Mashing a pair of fictional characters together and pretending they have a cute romance is one thing, but doing the same to real people is a whole new level of autism.

That's not even the worst of it. I like to think I've got a strong stomach, but just skimming the summaries of some of these stories squick me out. Supernatural and similar shows had some of the most disturbing from what I remember, with a few RT ones being the only that I vividly remember taking the cake from when I morbidly read the first few pages of them.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Days since last exceptional incident: 0
We never bothered erasing the zero.

The clock's batteries were taken out a long time ago.