Artcow WogglebugLoveProductions / Cynthia Hanson / Cherie Anne Hapney - One Womanchild's Fruitless Quest to Make Her Cockroach Husbando a Household Name

[PTNR 2.0]

Because as far as I'm concerned making him as completely likable as possible (flaws and all) is being exactly true to his roots.
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And I am sorry you do not like the voice of the Wogglebug but it actually does make me smile and that is all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

Here's some more advice you won't listen to: You can't have a character be as broadly appealing as possible if, time after time, you continue to defer to your own idiosyncratic preferences because, if you do that, you are by definition only trying to appeal to one person: yourself, rather than as broad an audience as possible.

The same autism that saw you sending money to a Nigerian scammer out of naivety is also preventing you from understanding that others may not share your view that the character is perfect as-is due to not being able to empathize with the thoughts and feelings of others.

 

[Kosher Dill]

And I plan to explain this while showing both scripts to a certain writer on Fiverr who helps people rewrite their screenplays like a pro for $50 as his premium package.

Have you considered that you may be incapable of telling when you're wasting your money?

 

[Overcast]

@scorptatious I am not going to rewrite my script and series in that way. Because as far as I'm concerned making him as completely likable as possible (flaws and all) is being exactly true to his roots. Which is how I portray him in the prequel "The Incredible Tale of Mr. Wogglebug." And I plan to explain this while showing both scripts to a certain writer on Fiverr who helps people rewrite their screenplays like a pro for $50 as his premium package. He is out of office right now fulfilling orders but he says he will be back on August 1st and it should be then I will have at least $50 to spend.

And @Deadpool the girl's name is Sylvie, not Sophie. And I am sorry you do not like the voice of the Wogglebug but it actually does make me smile and that is all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

I mean more so in terms of how he's perceived in the world he's in. From an audience perspective, he could be seen as sort of a source of comedy. He could probably be the kind of character that would show off to Sylvie how smart he is but ends up doing something stupid instead.

That scene where he kept making puns and using wordplay with those animal guys? They should be annoyed and offended by him and as a result not take him seriously. Wogglebug would then look back on that experience and realize there is a time and place to say that kind of stuff.

Basically, he would be like Sylvie: A child trying to understand the world around him. His goal is to be accepted by other people right? So wouldn't it make sense to have some sort of internal conflict or major flaw that gets in the way of that goal? That's something that a lot of people, including those who have trouble with social skills can relate to and appreciate.

Also, why not just rewrite your screenplay yourself? Wouldn't it be more satisfying to improve your craft?

 

[Coelacanth]

Wow. just wow.

I deliberately avoided this thread until I'd gotten the chance to sit down and watch the movie for myself. It was... an experience.

I know for a fact that Cynthia's either going to completely ignore my commentary or see it as more trolling/an untruthful opinion, so I'll put down my thoughts for my fellow kiwis instead because I enjoy reading what other's have said about this... thing... and maybe they'll enjoy mine (or not).

Spoiler: Click

I've seen a lot of bad movies in my time, but I don't think I've ever seen something quite like this. I am by no means an angry machild cartoon sperg, but this thing really got under my skin. Sure, I laughed at how horrendously bad it is, but from a critical standpoint every single rule of good film-making was broken, whereas most bad films like The Room usually get at least one right.

The animation reminds me an awful lot of pamtri's animations but not made ironically - hell, the bootleg Lunks from Pennsylvania and bootleg angel Tinkerbelles look like something he would use in his joke videos. Even then most of the "animation" in this movie is just characters standing and expositing to the audience, and when they do move it's cheap and lazy. A scene that comes to mind is when the Wogglebug and Sylvie are walking away from the castle and begin walking on thin air because they've reached the end of the set. I've seen GMod movies made better than this -I've seen crappy flash animations done better than this. The songs were awful, out of tune and I just skipped past them whenever they appeared to spare my ears. The biggest offenders were of course the story and the characters - I think nearly everyone was as flat as cardboard. Wogglebug came off as annoying, pervy and unfunny. Sylvie was bland and as a lot of the kiwis here have pointed out, is clearly meant to be a self-insert of Cynthia. I won't diss the kid who voiced Sylvie though - I won't be surprised if her mom made her do it because it was gonna make her famous or something, which is out of the kid's control if so. But most of the voice acting just made me laugh - I couldn't take anybody seriously.

I won't be surprised if she puts another creature be it a fish like my avatar or another mocking tree in her next "production" based off of my comments here (as I'm sure many of you will probably find). I lost it when she put the farms in as those trees. It was like when Chris used to turn mall security guards and managers into Jerkops and Manajerks so that he can beat them up and tell them how wrong and dumb they are. The only possible way I could recommend this is if you're armed with booze or drugs (or both if you're that hardcore) and are willing to get hammered into next week to get through this trash.

I will say this, though - the absolute highlights for me would be seeing Mr Wogglebug spoon with Sylvie complete with a panty shot, seeing the tree nymph's tits(I nearly choked on my drink when I saw those uncensored hooters) and the damage control the 3 or 4 voice "actors" were trying to achieve in the shoutbox towards the end. That was fuckin' hillarious.

 

[Puddleduck]

And @Deadpool the girl's name is Sylvie, not Sophie. And I am sorry you do not like the voice of the Wogglebug but it actually does make me smile and that is all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

What do you want Wogglebug to be - a film for your own enjoyment which you can feel accomplished for having made, and you watch it to make you happy; or part of a larger franchise with mass appeal?
Making something like this for either reason is completely fine, but if it's the latter you might want to listen to feedback.

Cynthia, can I make a suggestion? When you hire a re-writer off Fiverr, give them the emails of your voice cast. Have nothing to do with the script, and let the writer/editor do their thing and send the script off to the actors. They'll send you the recordings, and you can animate around these.

Do you know what a lot of "big name" directors do when they want to make a film? They hire a writer, and tell them what the film should be, the story, things that needed to be included, stuff like that ... and then they leave the script writing to the script writer. Things might change on set, but the director usually follows what's on the page.

 

[Picklechu]

You know, lots of companies charge decent money for focus groups. We should send Cynthia a bill - she's clearly demonstrated that she's willing to throw cash money away for her bedbug husbando.

 

[drain]

Holy fucking shit, I admire the people here trying to give some constructive criticism, because this fat retard is beyond any reason. I don't have the patience and will to discuss how this ''movie'' is complete garbage and will never see the inside of some movie theater or the average household. Really, it's pointless to try to reason with her, she's very clearly mentally ill and in need of other type of help (like heavy meds and a caretaker). The last thing she needs is making a movie, she needs sedation and a padded cell.

Her poor mother, probably working her ass off for her autistic daughter spend it all on nog scammers and fiverr ''writers''

Also the part where she says ''I like Patrick because he speaks to me as if he was Wooglewhatever'' is creepy as hell, jesus.

 

[Kamov Ka-52]

The posts giving @WogglebugLover earnest advice are more entertaining than anything she actually does.

 

[8777BB5]

@scorptatious I am not going to rewrite my script and series in that way. Because as far as I'm concerned making him as completely likable as possible (flaws and all) is being exactly true to his roots. Which is how I portray him in the prequel "The Incredible Tale of Mr. Wogglebug." And I plan to explain this while showing both scripts to a certain writer on Fiverr who helps people rewrite their screenplays like a pro for $50 as his premium package. He is out of office right now fulfilling orders but he says he will be back on August 1st and it should be then I will have at least $50 to spend.

And @Deadpool the girl's name is Sylvie, not Sophie. And I am sorry you do not like the voice of the Wogglebug but it actually does make me smile and that is all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

Firstly Wogglebug was loathed in the Oz books for being a smug pompous ass who really needed to get off his high horse. Secondly while there are creators who claim to make things just for themselves to enjoy (Frank Zappa being an example) they still usually make the effort to make it so anyone can still get enjoyment out of it. If Frank Zappa acted the way you do his entire discography would be nothing but Thing-Fish albums which would mean he'd probably be in your situation.

Something you need to really do is to decide what Wogglebug is to you: Is he going to be a series to delight young and old?; or is he your equivalent of Linus Van Pelt's Security Blanket. Given what you've posted in these past 153 pages it's very apparent he's your security blanket and as such I would strongly suggest you drop the franchise aspects and just write stories for yourself about Wogglebug. If Henry Darger wasn't going to make The Realms of the Unreal into a franchise, you don't have to make WoggleBug one.

 

[PeckingOrder]

If Henry Darger wasn't going to make The Realms of the Unreal into a franchise, you don't have to make WoggleBug one.

Are you sure you want to compare her to Henry Darger? I mean, the man was an utter weirdo, but he worked his entire life, didn’t waste his money on frivolous shit and give it to scammers, and had actual honest to god talent.

 

[AbraCadaver]

I’m just waiting for science to catch up and clone her a True and Honest Wogglebug husband and on their wedding night he rams an ovipositor down her throat and lays eggs the size of tennis balls in her chest.

THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF OZ, EVERYONE

 

[drain]

and lays eggs the size of tennis balls in her chest.

And man, she has LOTS of space inside her because you know, shes's fat.

 

[8777BB5]

Are you sure you want to compare her to Henry Darger? I mean, the man was an utter weirdo, but he worked his entire life, didn’t waste his money on frivolous shit and give it to scammers, and had actual honest to god talent.

Believe me as a huge admirer of Darger's work it pained me to make that comparison, but it's the closest I could get.

 

[WogglebugLover]

@8777BB5 The opinions of the Oz fans that reflect those of the Oz characters around the Wogglebug are not my concern. I will not ever write to appeal to them if I can help it. You can watch my 7th Vlog on YouTube in which I clarify what I mean much more precisely. I also tried to convey this in the film by having the three animal-headed nobles by named after Oz authors. My first and foremost idea is to keep Wogglebug as separated from Oz as possible.

@scorptatious It's not that I wouldn't love to fully write and rewrite my own draft of the screenplay. But I suppose after letting Richard do so much rewriting for me (which I now can't use without paying a fortune for) it changed me and my confidence in my abilities. I mostly finished and released the latest version of the movie because I felt it was my duty since Patrick thought we were done and I also had received an email from Zoey Bank's mother saying that Zoey was eager to see the finished film. And I actually had a few people who read both scripts say they liked the new version better. And when I asked Patrick if he thought I was a good writer he replied, "You are a very good writer. You don't need anyone else's writing to make yours believable and natural."

Maybe that was true in years long ago. But now I feel I may just need more guidance in getting the best script I can possibly have. And which is why I've just sent a message to that screenwriter on Fiverr detailing what I need from him. And he does claim to be an award winning writer with some produced films, and he has also a solid 5 star rating with 152 reviews from extremely happy customers. So I'm willing to at least get his opinions and advice if not have him be a co-writer on a whole new draft as I am hoping for and which is what his premium package is for.

I don't know yet if I'll do another IClone version of the film, as I don't want to pressure Patrick. But I will certainly have the best film possible by the time it is in the hands of a studio exec to be made into live action.

 

[Mike Hunt]

And I am sorry you do not like the voice of the Wogglebug but it actually does make me smile and that is all that matters as far as I'm concerned.

If you're making this for your own amusement, sure, go for it. But if you think this way and assume everyone will like what you like, that is sheer arrogance. Very few directors can truly be considered auteurs, able to create their films the way they want to and have it become critical successes. You're not Kubrick, at least not with your current output and creative decisions.

For everyone else, it's a collaborative process between fellow creatives working on the film, and it means losing your ego and accept some changes to your movie if it means it'll stand a better chance of commercial success, which is what you're looking for. This isn't just a script rewrite issue. It's an animation issue. It's a voice acting issue. It's a character design issue. Even just the numerous small oversights like Mr. Bad Touch Dad being shown with his crotch on Sylvie's face or Wogglebug spooning with a flashing Sylvie that you didn't even notice or bother to change.

Until you learn to lose the ego and accept that so much of your film needs to be changed to even make it remotely viable as a product, anything you do is all for naught and you're only making the film for your own enjoyment and no one else's while wasting your relatives' hard-earned money in the process.

 

[Overcast]

@8777BB5 The opinions of the Oz fans that reflect those of the Oz characters around the Wogglebug are not my concern. I will not ever write to appeal to them if I can help it. You can watch my 7th Vlog on YouTube in which I clarify what I mean much more precisely. I also tried to convey this in the film by having the three animal-headed nobles by named after Oz authors. My first and foremost idea is to keep Wogglebug as separated from Oz as possible.

@scorptatious It's not that I wouldn't love to fully write and rewrite my own draft of the screenplay. But I suppose after letting Richard do so much rewriting for me (which I now can't use without paying a fortune for) it changed me and my confidence in my abilities. I mostly finished and released the latest version of the movie because I felt it was my duty since Patrick thought we were done and I also had received an email from Zoey Bank's mother saying that Zoey was eager to see the finished film. And I actually had a few people who read both scripts say they liked the new version better. And when I asked Patrick if he thought I was a good writer he replied, "You are a very good writer. You don't need anyone else's writing to make yours believable and natural."

Maybe that was true in years long ago. But now I feel I may just need more guidance in getting the best script I can possibly have. And which is why I've just sent a message to that screenwriter on Fiverr detailing what I need from him. And he does claim to be an award winning writer with some produced films, and he has also a solid 5 star rating with 152 reviews from extremely happy customers. So I'm willing to at least get his opinions and advice if not have him be a co-writer on a whole new draft as I am hoping for and which is what his premium package is for.

I don't know yet if I'll do another IClone version of the film, as I don't want to pressure Patrick. But I will certainly have the best film possible by the time it is in the hands of a studio exec to be made into live action.

Alienating potential audience members, especially if they're fans of previous works your character is based on, is never a good business strategy. Just look at the recent Star Wars films.

And Patrick was being paid by you yes? So why wouldn't he say your writing is good? It would be kind of stupid of him to say anything bad about your writing, he's just the guy paid to act out the lines.

On here, there are no biases. So many people on here have a lot of expeirence with writing and have given you advice that you haven't taken. Even the best writers need to be told that they might need to change things in order to improve their work or make it more marketable.

 

[Trombonista]

Also, why not just rewrite your screenplay yourself? Wouldn't it be more satisfying to improve your craft?

She originally planned to release the first Wogglebug movie in 2016. She hasn't improved since this thread began.

 

[Deadpool]

I give constructive criticism because it's the only form of mocking her that she pays attention to. The fact is Wogglebug will never be a viable character/franchise. He's got one fan in the entire world and she's the one making the movie for herself. I actually feel bad for the little girl who played the girl with down syndrome who's name I don't care to remember. She was told she was going to be in a movie. Instead she was cast into the masterbation fantasy's of a gross crazy woman. She's going to have to deal with all the mockery that this "movie" will recieve.

Honestly she's one cow no one has said this to and it's time someone did:
@WogglebugLover fucking neck yourself.

 

[drain]

@WogglebugLover will never take any criticism here as some way for self-improvement because she's extremely mentally ill. I don't expect any insight coming from her because she is uh, mentally ill.

But I really enjoy the criticism here, it's entertaining and most of time people know what they're talking about, so props to the Farms for being a better movie writer than her.

 

[8777BB5]

@WogglebugLover will never take any criticism here as some way for self-improvement because she's extremely mentally ill. I don't expect any insight coming from her because she is uh, mentally ill.

But I really enjoy the criticism here, it's entertaining and most of time people know what they're talking about, so props to the Farms for being a better movie writer than her.

We should make our own WoggleBug movie after @MerriedxReldnahc makes his stopmotion masterpiece