Where the Sidewalk Ends: An Internet Story

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Screaming Bird said:
I remember in some stream or other you referenced this concept of anti-fragility. That the farms gets stronger every time it's attacked. Good example of it tbh. Semper fi.


Oh people in colos do this for multihoming all the time. It's a good way to get robust failover if one of your ISPs goes down. It's a pain in the ass in terms of setup and maintenance, though, compared to just plonking an IP down on your router and calling it a day.
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Fair enough, I've never had to deal with any company large enough to necessitate it but I guess the whole "running out of two-byte ASNs" thing would have been a testament to their commonality, in hindsight.
 
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remura said:
legitimatly curious to how the numerous amount of people who've tried to get the farms taken down over the years will react to this. imagine putting so much effort into getting a single site shut down just for the madman to set up his own asn lmfao.
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If KF becomes a big enough PR and narrative liability. With it's "Hate Speech" and "Fake news" that it spreads, I suspect KF will get more than payment processors blocked, DDoS attacks, and bizarre court cases being thrown at it. One such attempt might be to smear the site with a fake scandal so it can be delisted from Google. But they are probably afraid of bringing attention to the site, because it could massively backfire on them.

I'm sure a lot of people behind the scenes are trying to apply pressure to get the site quietly removed so no more people ever read whats on here. A huge court case would probably also bring too much attention. Maybe if they wrapped it up in a larger bill about "stopping internet harassment" or "hate speech" or "nazi websites", so that KF isn't named directly.
 
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V0dka said:
Maybe if they wrapped it up in a larger bill about "stopping internet harassment" or "hate speech" or "nazi websites", so that KF isn't named directly.
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In the United States of America? Naw. That's the kind of 1A violation that would bring the 2A people out of the woodwork. Even your average liberal isn't down for that kind of free speech violation. The sanctity of that principle crosses party lines, at least as it pertains to government censorship.

You get your insane screeching wokies, but they're just loud, they're not numerous enough that pandering to their least generally popular idea is a viable platform for anyone.
 
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Screaming Bird said:
In the United States of America? Naw. That's the kind of 1A violation that would bring the 2A people out of the woodwork. Even your average liberal isn't down for that kind of free speech violation. The sanctity of that principle crosses party lines, at least as it pertains to government censorship.

You get your insane screeching wokies, but they're just loud, they're not numerous enough that pandering to their least generally popular idea is a viable platform for anyone.
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You start upsetting too many people, getting too much word of mouth, people who have a vested interest in keeping certain narratives circulating are going to get annoyed. You are starting to cut into their profits and views, you are ignoring their carefully sourced wikipedia articles.

The internet isn't supposed to be a free speech marketplace, Governments and corporations want it to be TV 2.0, that you have on your person 24/7. You think what they tell you to think, you buy what they tell you to buy, you support what they tell you to support. If there is going to be a Forum, it will be filled with paid marketers to give the impression of grass roots support and organic word of mouth.
 
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V0dka said:
You start upsetting too many people, getting too much word of mouth, people who have a vested interest in keeping certain narratives circulating are going to get annoyed. You are starting to cut into their profits and views, you are ignoring their carefully sourced wikipedia articles.

The internet isn't supposed to be a free speech marketplace, Governments and corporations want it to be TV 2.0, that you have on your person 24/7. You think what they tell you to think, you buy what they tell you to buy, you support what they tell you to support. If there is going to be a Forum, it will be filled with paid marketers to give the impression of grass roots support and organic word of mouth.
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Yeah yeah glowniggers and all that. I'm not arguing they don't want to control the internet, just that doing so in that particular way in the US is prohibitively difficult.
 
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Screaming Bird said:
Yeah yeah glowniggers and all that. I'm not arguing they don't want to control the internet, just that doing so in that particular way in the US is prohibitively difficult.
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I don't think they want to control the internet outright, because you can't fool all the people all the time. You just have to give the illusion free speech is occurring.

Most people use Reddit, most people use wikipedia, most people use Facebook, many use Twitter, people use Alexa. Corporations already have most of peoples likes and dislikes, search history, family and holiday photos, recordings on your phone or in your house, and whenever people want information, wikipedia, and reddit are there with paid editors and PR people and community managers to tell people what they are supposed to know about any subject.

I mean, sure, some people could search out other sources, but it's so convenient, who has the time? How do you know it's legitimate? Most people are lazy. And they trust the official sources. And if they hear some subreddit or website was shut down, the media will tell them they were nazis and it was for their own protection. And they'll agree they are too stupid to be able to tell right from wrong. Let them tell you what's right and whats wrong. To them, free speech is occurring, but it's a sort of smoke and mirrors free speech.
 
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Ok, so I was trying to read up on what the fuck is going on, and I think I have a somewhat good idea of what Dear Leader is doing at this point regarding the technobabble.
I wanted to share this tidbit I found in the process:
There are, at this time, a little short of 92,000 ASN's in all the world. When one considers the number of people online, the sheer breadth of services and sites, and the overall size of the internet, this is really a pretty small number of ASN's in total. Tiny, really.

Of those 92k, one of them is now solely devoted to calling people autistic, naked photos of basement dwelling mental patients, and heated screaming matches over the word "ween".

Congrats, fellow kiwis. A fundamental building block of the internet is now devoted, in one small part, to our stupid bullshit.
 
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Ped Xing said:
Do they even have cars where he resides?
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Of course they do, comerade!
 
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Having your own ASN is neat and everything, but I don't see how it affords you any greater protection from the dementia-bound, litigious limey (or whoever your latest antagonist is).

Of course, I'm not privy to your relationship with your present colo provider. Maybe they have given you assurances that they won't be easily intimidated by distant threats or discouraged by bad press. Based on your previous hosting arrangement, I can guess who introduced you to them (being purposely vague here) and maybe they have vouched for them too. But you are still relying on a single, easily discovered provider for rack space and IP transit (though the latter can easily change), so in that regard they are not much different to colocrossing.

There are ways to make it difficult to determine where your equipment is located, and to minimize dependency on any single party, but I think having your own IP space (and now ASN) is the wrong approach. Having to physically ship equipment around the country every time someone sends a few nastygrams to your host is not ideal. I think you'd be better off, as @Marvin has suggested before, renting expendable servers to be used as reverse proxies to a well-hidden origin server. If one shuts you down, no big deal, you just stand up another that you have waiting in reserve. The process could be mostly automated. Others have walked in your footsteps before and settled on this approach.
 
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You start upsetting too many people, getting too much word of mouth, people who have a vested interest in keeping certain narratives circulating are going to get annoyed. You are starting to cut into their profits and views, you are ignoring their carefully sourced wikipedia articles.
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The only thing America will take action against is a massive government leak or a smear campaign on some mayor political party. This whole "PG culture" and "anti online harassment movement" is just like Pride Month: a pointless PR stunt gone stale. I think KF has upset enough people by now, problem is those people are exceptional as fuck and nobody gives a flying rat's ass about them except maybe for the occasional conman, psychopath or journalist looking for some petty clicks (like Yaniv, Vodrak and Vox respectively).

KF will never be a major nuisance because the people we discuss don't count. They're nobodies to everybody and beyond placing complains to small private companies or wasting resources on temporary and pointless DDoS attacks, there isn't much else they can do. Besides, we give away free intelligence. Any bureau, sheriff office or intelligence agency would be more than happy to let the Farms run amok as long as we keep a watchful eye on these exceptional (and possibly dangerous) individuals and do not step on their toes. We are the neighborhood's snitch. Remember that sheriff asking for the NZ mosque shootout video for training purposes? Well, there you have it.

Among the irrelevant and stupid commentaries most of the threads feature, we have full dossiers on pedos, terrorists, ANTIFA, zoophiles, people who claim to be trying to overthrown the government, psychopaths having powertrips, potentially unstable morons on the edge of sanity, entire communities on both sides of the political spectrum, etc. We do full data gathering on shootouts, protests, terrorist attacks and whatever we find interesting and nobody else have the balls or the ideology looseness to talk about. It's a fucking honeypot.

Null already has been visited by the FBI thanks to some crazy troons. You think they would let the site continue if there isn't some value for them on what the site does?
 
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Pepito said:
Null already has been visited by the FBI thanks to some crazy troons. You think they would let the site continue if there isn't some value for them on what the site does?
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The FBI has very, very, very little interest in the Internet unless it involves CP, drugs, actual commercial scale piracy, money laundering, or some actual normie crime involving lots of money or where politically connected people are involved.
 
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