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I'm very interested in hearing Vic's side of the Monica hotel almost practically rape story. I will be endlessly, simultaneously pissed off and amused if it turned out that Vic did kiss her, she said no because she wanted to play that bullshit hard to get coy game that some women do, and then got angry and bitter when Vic respected what seemed to be her wishes at face value and was perfectly okay with just being friends.
It's very possible Monica fabricated the encounter entirely. Given Stan's bewildered tweets, and @Svetlana giving an X to a previous post about Vic/Monica, I double checked Vic's responses to the i09 article. This was his response to what is obviously Monica's hotel story:

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He doesn't remember it at all, not even as something consensual.

Edit: It was speculated before that he thought the other kissing in a hotel account was about Monica, because Vic talks about directing her later. But it's Kara Edwards, who also had a small role in Juuni Taisen.
 
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Reading about Ms. Purple and Ms. Orange. If there is one thing you can take away from this story it "White women: Not even once."
Hey now, I married a perfectly respectable white woman. The trick is to find one that doesn't have the beginnings of a chin woggle. That woggle is the sign of a dangerhair, IMO; it's a sign that they'll sag everywhere and turn into a harridan. Don't go for the top shelf either. A perfect 10 in her 20s will spend the rest of her life trying to stay that way and become a vain, arrogant shit, obsessed with youth and bitter that she doesn't have it any more, and you'll suffer for it. Find someone who shares interests, is average and plain, and is confident without being sleazy or superior.

Of course I got married when the gays were still arguing about whether to include trans people in the acronym, so any advice I could offer on the matter is severely out of date.
 
You got to see the "real" Toye when he was jabbing the table with his one finger, his teeth bared on display as he nodded massively while ranting about his "Personal Fiance" while staring at Ty with fury and hatred. He comes across as aggressive, angry, very rude. He leans forward, narrows his (already squinty) eyes and jabs a lot to try and make his point. Ty continued to hammer home the questions.

Really makes you wonder if he's as angry and vindictive towards other people around him when they piss him off too...


Lemoine tried to do the exact same to Vic for hours. The most aggressive Vic got was an open palmed, hand down gesture towards him which Lemoine immediately acquiesced to and basically handed control of the deposition to Vic in the process.
Any chance you have timestamps for the two reactions you describe here between Vic and Ron here? Now I want to go back and watch the differences in their body language...
 
The tickle rape from Beth Elderkin's article:
https://io9.gizmodo.com/one-of-anime-s-biggest-voices-accused-of-sexual-harassm-1832390505


Here is the incident in question:

Gretchen = Kara Edwards.
Didn't we find videos after the incident where they were both dancing together?
I remember people making jokes about how she acts like it was such an uncomfortable encounter but then spends the rest of the con essentially clinging onto him throughout multiple videos online
 
1. Stan Dahlin, who apparently has no idea why he was mentioned in legal papers. Make of that what you will.
2. Beard may already be in touch with him.
3. Because she's more than likely a liar, altogether, that doesn't live in the world where we live, where we generally call the police when crimes are committed because the person who did the crime is not only a personal menace but a menace to society as a whole.

The better question is why Monica never included her own account in her response to Plaintiff's original pleading but included links to a now-defunct Tumblr and a Vic-related thread from a website called Pretty Ugly Little Liars.
Same reason she used the jellybean story and not her own story during the funi investigation. Because shes full of shit.
 
I’m not going get into how a possible jury would interpret how sniveling and slimy Ron comes across under questioning.

Some might see it and think: “Oh that’s just nerves.”.

What really is going to fuck him is those tweets he can’t remember.

No I don’t remember every tweet or email I’ve written the past year. But I can definitely remember some. Especially if confronted with it.

But Ron doesn’t remember a single one? Nobody is going to buy that. Their first thought will be: “He’s full of crap!”

The next thought will be: “I wonder what else he’s lying about?”

I think that's the big thing. I've written 10s, if not 100s of thousands of words worth of stuff on the Internet over the years. I can't remember fully 95% of it. Maybe if I worked at it, I could remember a modest amount of what I've written this year.

The stuff I've written that was directly about people actively in my life? Things like, say, close friends or a fiance getting sexually assaulted? That shit you remember writing, unless you literally have some sort of brain disorder or are so lacking in empathy you never considered that what you're saying could have real-life consequences for the parties involved. Hell, I'd never put anything on social media about a significant other without seriously considering if they'd be okay with me saying it.

At no point is it credible that he could actually forget all of those tweets. And this is even without noting that, at no point, does he look like he believes what he's saying.
 
I personally am not a believer because I think I'm perfect. It's because I'm not - far from it. I like to think of myself as falling into TheBechtloff mold - were it not for the grace of God, I'd be a freaking cenobite.

A pretty common attitude among Christians from my personal experience.

And heck, if we’d take a look at the case and situation from a biblical perspective: Which side would you think would remind your average, churchgoing conservative about the Pharisees, with their moral posturing, close connections to the power structure and vindictiveness?


Pretty sure it ain’t Vic.
 
This is why I told you guys not to dig in public.

Everything of relevance is already archived

It doesn't matter if they wipe the info now
I think the stuff has already been posted. I wonder if a deposition question would be not only if they’re aware of the threads here, but if they read said threads.

It was, just not all of it in this thread and more. All the relevant information regarding their ties to Vic, Monica and Ron are on the forums now
 
Any chance you have timestamps for the two reactions you describe here between Vic and Ron here? Now I want to go back and watch the differences in their body language...

Toye? sure, because it's amazing but it took me ages to find that, Vic's is... somewhere in Part one, I think?

Seriously, that's timestamped to the bit he loses the whole deposition.
 
I think that's the big thing. I've written 10s, if not 100s of thousands of words worth of stuff on the Internet over the years. I can't remember fully 95% of it. Maybe if I worked at it, I could remember a modest amount of what I've written this year.

The stuff I've written that was directly about people actively in my life? Things like, say, close friends or a fiance getting sexually assaulted? That shit you remember writing, unless you literally have some sort of brain disorder or are so lacking in empathy you never considered that what you're saying could have real-life consequences for the parties involved. Hell, I'd never put anything on social media about a significant other without seriously considering if they'd be okay with me saying it.

At no point is it credible that he could actually forget all of those tweets. And this is even without noting that, at no point, does he look like he believes what he's saying.

Yup. It would stink to high heaven for any juror.

Especially since I believe Ty started reading from the tweets.

Any normal human being, even if they didn’t remember them off hand without getting help, would recognize at least some of the tweets, and start to remember a few details about when they wrote them, why they wrote them, etc.

That’s just how the human brain works.

Unless Ron goes full retard and starts sperging about having “alters” or being a “multiple system” or some shit like that (which would fuck them over in a somewhat different way) there’s no way it won’t come back to haunt them, if the case gets that far.

I guess that’s why we see all the BS about GFM. Their tard-trio of lawyers know they’re screwed if it goes to actual trial, so they’re trying to derail the case any way possible.

“The GFM proves that Vic is a public figure, TCPA PLOX!” is a Hail Mary, but it’s the best chance they got.

Toye? sure, because it's amazing but it took me ages to find that, Vic's is... somewhere in Part one, I think?

Seriously, that's timestamped to the bit he loses the whole deposition.


That “My personal fiancé” is interesting.

What the hell is an impersonal fiancé? Like a public fiancé? Is he calling Monica a WHORE?!?

When someone (who isn’t an outright sociopath) is being dishonest, they like to overplay their hand and weave in extra details or use superfluous language like that: It’s a way of trying to project certainty and honesty, when you know your position is untenable.

Even for someone who isn’t aware of this classic tell of dishonesty, that superfluous “personal” fiancé would most likely come across as weird. There’d be something about Ron’s testimony that bugs them, even if they might not be able to put a finger on exactly what.
 
When someone (who isn’t an outright sociopath) is being dishonest, they like to overplay their hand and weave in extra details or use superfluous language like that: It’s a way of trying to project certainty and honesty, when you know your position is untenable.

Even for someone who isn’t aware of this classic tell of dishonesty, that superfluous “personal” fiancé would most likely come across as weird. There’d be something about Ron’s testimony that bugs them, even if they might not be able to put a finger on exactly what.

Also note that he states that he believes the PULL thread "without question", then almost immediately acknowledges that he hasn't even done the most cursory of looks at the claims made in the PULL thread. Then he says he doesn't remember if he knew about the io9 article, then acknowledges that Monica was interviewed for it.

He literally can't keep his story together for a couple of minutes before having it fall apart. He's constantly lying, then saying too much and making it obvious he's lying almost immediately afterward.
 
That “My personal fiancé” is interesting.

What the hell is an impersonal fiancé? Like a public fiancé? Is he calling Monica a WHORE?‽

When someone (who isn’t an outright sociopath) is being dishonest, they like to overplay their hand and weave in extra details or use superfluous language like that: It’s a way of trying to project certainty and honesty, when you know your position is untenable.

Even for someone who isn’t aware of this classic tell of dishonesty, that superfluous “personal” fiancé would most likely come across as weird. There’d be something about Ron’s testimony that bugs them, even if they might not be able to put a finger on exactly what.

Toye does that with both PULL and with the earlier story on Vic, where a fan hugs him and he seems to jokingly really embrace them (much to the fan's delight). Toye does into a lot of god damn detail there. It's one of just two times he has any detail whatsoever in any-fucking-thing he says for four hours.

Also yes, describing someone as my "personal fiance" is creepy as fuck. It suggests a level of ownership that you usually find reserved for people who want to wear your skin.
 
Well he has to give the statement a little extra weight because of how many people are fucking Monica it's probably hard for most people to distinguish that she's his fiance not Tyrone's.
Not to mention being overly dramatic is strongly associated with effeminate behavior, one of the few things Ron excels at in his daily life.
 
Damn, Monica. Imagine not including the "almost being raped in a hotel room!" story as one of the three you provided to Sony to investigate, but you try to use that as damning evidence in court. How embarrassing. :story:
She didn't even use it in her original reply...only PULL, deleted tumblr blog and her friends bullshit story.
 
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