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We’re not all bad.
Jonathan Yaniv / Jessica Yaniv / @trustednerd / trustednerd.com / JY Knows It / JY British Columbia - Canada's Best Argument Against Transgender Self-Identification
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Some will argue otherwise, but I honestly don't think he had any meaningful power.
I think he had people who misgendered him constantly - which is AGAINST THE RULES OF TWITTER. They ban you for misgendering people. That's all there is to it. No amount of being an angry 50 year old woman screaming about biological sex will change it. They'll ban anyone for doing it to anyone. Misgendering on twitter is literally clicking a "delete my account" button. Those ones were like shooting fish in barrels for Yaniv. The other stuff was simple cease and desist letters sent from legal shield services.
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The Troons focus their energy on instead policing the thoughts of people who aren't part of their community and that's their biggest issue. they're too obsessed with REEing down people who are pro-science and not exceptional who believe castrating yourself or lopping off your titties doesn't make you a true and honest woman/man to bother with managing the AGs and pedophiles in their community.
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In Canada, we believe everyone deserves a chance to use their voice. But if you abuse it, we slather them in maple syrup and toss them to the geese and beavers. Don't mess with our Canadian Geese. They will eat you alive, syrup or no syrup.
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The utter lack of people springing to Yaniv's defense on FB and Twitter is telling. One expects silence from the the store-bought bot followers on social media, but surely one of the remaining follows/friends is a real human being on JY's side, right? Nope. Literally Hitler has more people at least equivocating on his behalf than Jon.
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At least Hitler had redeeming qualities. He was a somewhat talented artist in his later years, liked dogs, thought animals (but not der Juden!) should be treated with humane dignity, was a passionate and effective orator, made at least a few decent decisions regarding Germany's economy, and also taught the human race a harsh lesson that we STILL haven't forgotten.
Yaniv? I cannot name a single redeeming human quality. I doubt any exist in his disgusting little brain.
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He is a walking reminder of the importance of keeping abortion legal and safe.
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Or that children with obvious special needs should be referred and treated appropriately, suitably, and in a timely manner lest the end up like...well, whatever the fuck Jonathan is.
Edited to say: And that people can and will abuse the "gender self identifying" bullshit to take advantage of the skewed belief that only men are pedos. I have no doubt Jonny boy really thinks he is a true and honest gorl but I think part of the reason why he clings so tightly to it is because he sincerely believes that slapping chicken fillets down his man tits will give him a get out of jail/get into female spaces to ogle little girls and sniff their tampons
He really believes he can get away with it and unfortunately the handmaidens and soyboys on FB seem to be bending over backwards to ignore what he is - an AG fetishist who wants to touch young girls. the evidence is all there and it's all archived thoroughly, and I kind of think he's unaware of it, or so scared of it becoming public knowledge he keeps quiet. Instead he shouts "transphobia!!" and hopes people will forget about what we all know he is
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Well, if you want little perspective from someone who isn’t Canadian, but knows the country well, here’s my take.
Canadians lack an identity. For years they defined themselves by **not** being American and **not** being British.
(Heck, ask a Canadian today about what’s uniquely Canadian or a major difference between them and Americans, quite a few of them will say: “Public healthcare!” I kid you not.)
Canada also being a relatively new country, they finally found one thing they can use to differentiate themselves with a few decades ago: Tolerance and multiculturalism!
So why do they tolerate this kind of bullshit? Because in lack of anything better, and constantly eyeing their giant neighbor to the south, they’ve chosen to embrace tolerance and diversity as somehow being uniquely Canadian.
(Ironically, a side effect is that French Canadians, one of the country’s actually unique and oldest cultural communities are disappearing and losing their uniqueness.)
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I'm no fortune-teller but am going to whip out my crystal balls in honour of Jonathan. Left ball tells me that Johnny boy is going to discover his Jewish heritage and either start to wear a kippeh or go whole hog and start dressing like an Orthodox Jew. Right ball says Johnny is going to continue to ask for Brazilian waxing services from brown immigrant women.
When they refuse, Johnathan is going to play the "yer refusin coz Iz Jewish" card.
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I take it this means Trudeau will not be re-elected?
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LOL No.Course he will. There may be a few sane Canadians but they're the minority. People genuinely fall for Trudeau's brand of BS and think he is the best thing ever.
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The liberals only got 39% of the popular vote. We just have a fucked system that allows a party who 60% of voters didn't vote for to have full control.
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Oh that's interesting to know, thank you. And damn, that sounds like an utter nightmare. Hardly democratic, right?
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IMO, the problem is that so many of the loudest troons are problematic themselves. Look at all the perverts, criminals and general assholes in the Rat King. They don’t want to support someone like Yaniv, because they know it’s not a good look. But at the same time, they know that if they condemn him, they leave themselves open to “and what about rapists?” or “and what about abusers?” It’s easier to just let it fester.
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Part of Trudeau's campaign was promising electoral reform, which he conveniently decided to drop after getting elected under the current electoral system.
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Some international light being shed on the Jessica/Jonathan Yaniv (*not JY!*) case:
www.spiked-online.com
Canada’s bizarre trans-waxing controversy
Female waxers are being branded ‘transphobic’ because they refused to wax a trans-woman’s bollocks.
www.spiked-online.com
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Archive here.Some international light being shed on the Jessica/Jonathan Yaniv (*not JY!*) case:
Canada’s bizarre trans-waxing controversy
Female waxers are being branded ‘transphobic’ because they refused to wax a trans-woman’s bollocks.
ETA: I think this quote describes succinctly this whole mess: "The question immediately arises as to who is really been discriminated against here: a born male who went to female waxer after female waxer to see if they would wax his testicles, or the women who find themselves either in a council hearing or already out of work simply because their religious, cultural or outright personal preferences mean they do not want to service male genitalia. Yaniv says if the case is lost then a dangerous precedent will be set for trans people. In truth, the real danger is if Yaniv wins the case, because that would set a precedent whereby the law could require that women must touch penises or risk losing their jobs. It would be profoundly misogynistic."
The article only talks about the waxing cases, it doesn't talk about Yaniv's tampon fetish etc., but it's a good start. At least a (small) part of the media is starting to talk about this oxygen thief.
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I didn't get it verbatim but I would have only missed out small things over a few seconds, the audio files were really screwy and wouldn't play correctly. Let me know if I got anything wrong tho, I am sure some of the names are wrong but I have marked it when I was sure something was wrong.
God I have no life.
God I have no life.
Radio show lady: Hello everybody, how are you, welcome to Media Nation. It’s another beautiful day in our wonderful city, I’m so happy to be here and thank you so much for joining us. We’d love for you to call our show, it’s Media Nation, I’m Carlene Nation, you’re listening to Seaga 960 AM Radio. We’re touching on a controversial topic, one with many layers. I would say multiple layers. It has to do with a trans woman who wanted to get brazilian waxing services done, and she called up a number of estheticians, and these estheticians said that they could not perform brazilian wax on a trans woman who has male genitalia. That is essentially what was happening here. The trans woman filed multiple human rights complaints, and a number of these women, these estheticians, many of them are from various ethnic backgrounds that in some instances prevented them from working on male genitalia, if you will. In this instance the transwoman did what she did, she filed multiple human rights complaints and in some of these cases, these estheticians were forced to shut down their businesses because they couldn’t handle the expense of the legal case, and they were so distressed and distraught. So businesses were shut down. In one case, the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms intervened, and the complainant, a transwoman by the name of Jessica Yaniv, eventually cancelled her complaint against this esthetician. And in one case, out of the multiple cases that were filed, the esthetician prevailed with assistance from the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. I would like to welcome today our guest John Carpay, he’s a constitutional lawyer and the president of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. Welcome to the show, John Carpay. Is John there? Ok, John will join us very, very shortly. Essentially the JCCF intervened in this case, and this esthetician prevailed, making the case that she wasn’t properly trained to do that particular type of brazilian waxing. I have to make it very clear, I support Canadians of all gender backgrounds getting the services that they wish. I support them getting the services if they want to go to a business, I support them getting the services. But I have a problem with human rights complaints being filed, and these human rights organizations going after small business owners, and forcing business owners to shut down. That is problematic for me. Do we have John on the line now?
Jessica: This is Jessica Yaniv, I’m here
Radio show lady: Oh Jessica. Hi, Jessica, how are you?
Jessica: I’m ok, how are you?
Radio show lady: I am very very good, thank you so much for joining Media Nation today. Jessica, tell me, what happened, why did you file these human rights complaints?
Jessica: Well, I have been transgender since age 6, but living quite a private life, and you know, I really wanted to seek this gender affirming care which I consider like facials, waxing, manicures pedicures. One really important thing that I want to note that the JCCF or the justice centre has not revealed is, these are not all cases about brazillian waxing. I had a case where the justice centre represented with refusal of an arm wax. So I’ve been refused services for things such as facials, pedicures, manicures, Indian head massage, massage, waxing, arm waxing, leg waxing, you name it, I was probably rejected for it. And I’m finding this to be honestly ridiculous, because you know, if people are going to start refusing services just because they claim religion and claim culture, it opens up a very very dangerous precedent where technically, anyone can get rejected service even if they’re not transgender, it doesn’t matter. I’ll give you an example here, like Vancouver Rape Relief, I reside close to Vancouver British Columbia, and Vancouver Rape Relief, they refuse to house women who are trans. But would we also accept if that fact if Vancouver Rape Relief refused to house women who are Sikh, Muslim, white or black, just because they want to. It’s essentially the same thing here, that we’re opening up a very very dangerous precedent where anyone can go and refuse service for any basis that they want because they claim religion or culture.
Radio show lady: Let me be clear, Jessica, I support you as a transwoman, as a Canadian. You should be able to go to any business and ask for a service, if the business offers that service, and you should be able to get the service. What I find problematic are these human rights complaints, where these businesses essentially were shut down. Many of these women couldn’t afford the human rights process, and they shut down their businesses. I don’t think that’s a positive situation.
Jessica: I don’t either, but I just want to make mention here that the Marcia Di Silver, or as could call her Marcia Decaba [?] complaint, she has only been in business for what the representative for the justice centre has stated, she had only been in business doing waxing for three weeks, and I was her only potential client. So I find it much of a stretch that the media has put out that I shut down this business, like the other businesses that I’ve filed complaints against, like I have one complaint that was against a hair salon. The hair salon literally got broken in to by somebody and shut down within three weeks of me filing the complaint. Another business, Marl Norman [?] got their lease suspended, Merl Norman cosmetic studios in Burnaby, it seems, suspended by the landlord because I did advise the landlord, and the landlord was originally in the human rights proceedings. But, these complaints, you know, if a business decides to pull out, it’s really not my issue here, like for example with Merl Norman Burnaby which is gonna be heard on the 26th, well I’ll give you a little bit of a backstory here so you can understand where I’m getting at, is Merl Norman Burnaby, I originally booked, I called them, like I can even play the recording if you wish.
Radio show lady: Yes, it’s ok, you can tell the story, yes
Jessica: So, basically, I went and I phoned them, this was like around 8 o’clock in the evening, specific, I went on my phone and I said ‘hey, I’m gonna be in the area, I’m really looking for a brazilian wax.’ And I booked this under my male name, so the person that answered the phone had absolutely no issue with the wax. And right before she hung up, I just let her know that I am getting [cant tell] for my name, it is my male name, which I’m not gonna repeat on the phone, but is there an issue, because I’m transgender? And they say ‘Oh no, sorry, we can’t do that”. That’s where I have an issue. Because all of these complaints, the other ones that are gonna be proceeding on the 26th as well, they had no issue with doing the services on a male, for example. They have an issue with doing it on a transgender person. Thats why these complaints are filed, because they’re basically, a lot of these cultures don’t exactly believe in transgenderism, I get it. But they should not use their culture in order to refuse service, just because that’s what they believe in. It goes into the same type of precedent of what happened in the States with the masterpiece cake shop, where someone wanted to get a cake done for their kid, the kid identifies as a different gender, they asked for a different colour like blue or pink to be put on the cake, and the baker refuses because of their religion, and they don’t believe in it. That’s basically what we’re running into here, and if this gets accepted, this type of behaviour gets accepted in Canada, it’s gonna create quite a problem for everybody. And thats why I filed these complaints, it’s not about being transgender, it’s not about waxing at all, it’s basically about people using their religion and culture to refuse service on any basis that they want, when they want.
Radio show lady: In some instances, the women had indicated that they had never performed a brazilian wax on male genitalia, so to speak. And so they have some issues, in terms of doing it properly, in terms of doing it safely. I mean, I’ve been waxed many times and I can tell you, in some instances you get burnt from the hot wax, etcetera, you have to be so careful, and you only go to people who do the job properly and who are equipped to do it. I understand your situation, I’ll tell you why. My sister has had a store for many years, and the esthetician, they were doing makeup and wigs for women, they noticed they were downtown, they were getting trans women who were coming in who wanted wigs, they wanted makeup, and so my sister has added that on to the business. So I do support, and I want to make it clear. Trans women, trans men, should get the support that they need out there from businesses. But my sole, I was sad to hear that some of these businesses, you explained that there were various circumstances as to why some of these businesses were closed down. I have a problem with a human rights commission coming down heavy handed, instead of everybody sitting in a room and working things out, and yes, working things out in a way that would be good for both parties. I have a massive problem with these human rights commissions -
Jessica: And I totally agree with that, like originally 16 complaints were filed, and basically a lot of those respondents ended up giving me fake names, fake info, fake phone numbers, and I wasn’t able to proceed with about four of those complaints. And these complaints were actually pretty serious, and it was disappointing they couldn't proceed, to have to withdraw those. And then another four of them were actually solved in mediation, and I have actually been pushing mediation since these complaints were filed and accepted. And you know what, these issues can be resolved, not in a hearing, not under all the stress and under all the media attention, we can all solve many of these issues in mediation. And I have solved many issues in mediation, about four or five of these cases, and it has gone extremely well. So you know, when the justice centre, it seems like they don’t believe in mediation. Because I’ve requested them to seek mediation, you know, the thing with mediation which a lot of people don’t understand is if things are not resolved in mediation, you can go to a hearing. But the justice centre immediately shutting down the fact that ‘oh, we don’t want to deal with mediation’, because they just wanted to go directly to hearing. They didn’t want to give their clients the opportunity to settle this amicably in a mediation session.
Radio show lady: In many instances though, these women do not have five, ten thousand dollars to settle a case. They’re small business owners, I mean for a small business owner to come up with ten grand, they’re basically out of business.
Jessica: Exactly, which is why there are organizations like the justice centre, that do this pro bono, but the justice centre, like any type of firm, can settle things in mediation without putting all of the stress on their clients.
Radio show lady: And we’re gonna be speaking to John Carpay with the JCCF very shortly, Jessica, one more thing, I spoke to Lindsey Shepherd yesterday, and Lindsey Shepherd was banned by Twitter because she had an interaction with you, on Twitter, she felt that you were attacking her, you made references to her genitalia, she pushed back, and she was banned. What was that situation about?
Jessica: Well, to be fair, Lindsey Shepherd has been attacking me on Twitter since about November of 2018, where I essentially kept quiet on them, I reported things on the back burner. Eventually I had to stand up, I am under the assumption that Lindsey and the JCCF have a multitude of fake accounts, which is why I have brought forward a 500,000 costs application that unfortunately has to go against all of the respondents that the JCCF is representing, all three of those, which is very unfortunate, however I don’t really have a choice with this because I cannot seek costs directly against the council for their behaviour. And there has been a multitude of improper conduct faults from Mr Carpay, actually mostly Mr Carpay, and from Lindsey Shepherd.
Radio show lady: In the case of Lindsey, I think it was inappropriate to make references to her genitalia. And if someone did that to me on Twitter, I would push back quite hard.
Jessica: To be fair, both Lindsey Shepherd and the JCCF have made multiple inappropriate comments about my genitalia for months, and I just made one snarky remark about Lindsey. But the multitude of inappropriate comments have come from John Carpay, and Lindsey Shepherd. It’s unreal.
Radio show lady: I thank you Jessica Yaniv, thank you so much. I mean, yes you took some heavy criticism on social media, on Twitter, I applaud you for taking the time.
Jessica: And I do wanna say one thing, when it comes down to things like an arm wax, for example. Like an arm wax or a leg wax, like give me a break on those. With Shuti Hee Hargel [?], I find it absolutely ridiculous that someone can literally institute religion and culture into this. And the other thing I want to mention is apparently there’s, this respondent is on a low income basis. And they were in a pretty good job as a care aid in the Freemont health authority [?], but according to them, when they got married they left that job due to the fear that they’re going to touch a biological man. I just find that, I don’t really know what to say. You’re taking a potential 25,000 dollar income in annually, and you're taking that allegedly down to 500 because you’re so afraid of touching a biological man. It’s just, it blows my mind.
Radio show lady: I see your point, what I think should happen is there should be a meeting with the transwomen community, with the esthetician schools and the esthetician businesses. Have a big public meeting and everybody, talk to these esthetician schools about teaching how to wax carefully, because a male genitalia needs to be handled carefully, so I think instead of calling these businesses and say, do the service, they say no and then there’s a lawsuit, I think there are some other ways around it.
Jessica: What I do want to touch on is that a lot of these businesses I have filed complaints against are not even licensed, nor is it to my belief that they’ve undergone any kind of official training as well.
Radio show lady: In that instances you could even wind up being burned or-
Jessica: I know, I will admit it is very very very risky.
Radio show lady: I would not go to an esthetician that is not a responsible and a reputable organization. I thank you so much, Jessica. It was very courageous of you to hunt me down, call me on the show, and get out your point of view.
Jessica: Yeah, I just wanted people to hear my side of the story because unfortunately organizations like Feminist Current and other ones, I’m just watching my Twitter, they’re not seeking my opinion on this, they’re just publishing things. I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to reach out to you.
Radio show lady: Thank you so much, I appreciate it and we will follow up with you again. Thank you Jessica Yaniv.
Jessica: This is Jessica Yaniv, I’m here
Radio show lady: Oh Jessica. Hi, Jessica, how are you?
Jessica: I’m ok, how are you?
Radio show lady: I am very very good, thank you so much for joining Media Nation today. Jessica, tell me, what happened, why did you file these human rights complaints?
Jessica: Well, I have been transgender since age 6, but living quite a private life, and you know, I really wanted to seek this gender affirming care which I consider like facials, waxing, manicures pedicures. One really important thing that I want to note that the JCCF or the justice centre has not revealed is, these are not all cases about brazillian waxing. I had a case where the justice centre represented with refusal of an arm wax. So I’ve been refused services for things such as facials, pedicures, manicures, Indian head massage, massage, waxing, arm waxing, leg waxing, you name it, I was probably rejected for it. And I’m finding this to be honestly ridiculous, because you know, if people are going to start refusing services just because they claim religion and claim culture, it opens up a very very dangerous precedent where technically, anyone can get rejected service even if they’re not transgender, it doesn’t matter. I’ll give you an example here, like Vancouver Rape Relief, I reside close to Vancouver British Columbia, and Vancouver Rape Relief, they refuse to house women who are trans. But would we also accept if that fact if Vancouver Rape Relief refused to house women who are Sikh, Muslim, white or black, just because they want to. It’s essentially the same thing here, that we’re opening up a very very dangerous precedent where anyone can go and refuse service for any basis that they want because they claim religion or culture.
Radio show lady: Let me be clear, Jessica, I support you as a transwoman, as a Canadian. You should be able to go to any business and ask for a service, if the business offers that service, and you should be able to get the service. What I find problematic are these human rights complaints, where these businesses essentially were shut down. Many of these women couldn’t afford the human rights process, and they shut down their businesses. I don’t think that’s a positive situation.
Jessica: I don’t either, but I just want to make mention here that the Marcia Di Silver, or as could call her Marcia Decaba [?] complaint, she has only been in business for what the representative for the justice centre has stated, she had only been in business doing waxing for three weeks, and I was her only potential client. So I find it much of a stretch that the media has put out that I shut down this business, like the other businesses that I’ve filed complaints against, like I have one complaint that was against a hair salon. The hair salon literally got broken in to by somebody and shut down within three weeks of me filing the complaint. Another business, Marl Norman [?] got their lease suspended, Merl Norman cosmetic studios in Burnaby, it seems, suspended by the landlord because I did advise the landlord, and the landlord was originally in the human rights proceedings. But, these complaints, you know, if a business decides to pull out, it’s really not my issue here, like for example with Merl Norman Burnaby which is gonna be heard on the 26th, well I’ll give you a little bit of a backstory here so you can understand where I’m getting at, is Merl Norman Burnaby, I originally booked, I called them, like I can even play the recording if you wish.
Radio show lady: Yes, it’s ok, you can tell the story, yes
Jessica: So, basically, I went and I phoned them, this was like around 8 o’clock in the evening, specific, I went on my phone and I said ‘hey, I’m gonna be in the area, I’m really looking for a brazilian wax.’ And I booked this under my male name, so the person that answered the phone had absolutely no issue with the wax. And right before she hung up, I just let her know that I am getting [cant tell] for my name, it is my male name, which I’m not gonna repeat on the phone, but is there an issue, because I’m transgender? And they say ‘Oh no, sorry, we can’t do that”. That’s where I have an issue. Because all of these complaints, the other ones that are gonna be proceeding on the 26th as well, they had no issue with doing the services on a male, for example. They have an issue with doing it on a transgender person. Thats why these complaints are filed, because they’re basically, a lot of these cultures don’t exactly believe in transgenderism, I get it. But they should not use their culture in order to refuse service, just because that’s what they believe in. It goes into the same type of precedent of what happened in the States with the masterpiece cake shop, where someone wanted to get a cake done for their kid, the kid identifies as a different gender, they asked for a different colour like blue or pink to be put on the cake, and the baker refuses because of their religion, and they don’t believe in it. That’s basically what we’re running into here, and if this gets accepted, this type of behaviour gets accepted in Canada, it’s gonna create quite a problem for everybody. And thats why I filed these complaints, it’s not about being transgender, it’s not about waxing at all, it’s basically about people using their religion and culture to refuse service on any basis that they want, when they want.
Radio show lady: In some instances, the women had indicated that they had never performed a brazilian wax on male genitalia, so to speak. And so they have some issues, in terms of doing it properly, in terms of doing it safely. I mean, I’ve been waxed many times and I can tell you, in some instances you get burnt from the hot wax, etcetera, you have to be so careful, and you only go to people who do the job properly and who are equipped to do it. I understand your situation, I’ll tell you why. My sister has had a store for many years, and the esthetician, they were doing makeup and wigs for women, they noticed they were downtown, they were getting trans women who were coming in who wanted wigs, they wanted makeup, and so my sister has added that on to the business. So I do support, and I want to make it clear. Trans women, trans men, should get the support that they need out there from businesses. But my sole, I was sad to hear that some of these businesses, you explained that there were various circumstances as to why some of these businesses were closed down. I have a problem with a human rights commission coming down heavy handed, instead of everybody sitting in a room and working things out, and yes, working things out in a way that would be good for both parties. I have a massive problem with these human rights commissions -
Jessica: And I totally agree with that, like originally 16 complaints were filed, and basically a lot of those respondents ended up giving me fake names, fake info, fake phone numbers, and I wasn’t able to proceed with about four of those complaints. And these complaints were actually pretty serious, and it was disappointing they couldn't proceed, to have to withdraw those. And then another four of them were actually solved in mediation, and I have actually been pushing mediation since these complaints were filed and accepted. And you know what, these issues can be resolved, not in a hearing, not under all the stress and under all the media attention, we can all solve many of these issues in mediation. And I have solved many issues in mediation, about four or five of these cases, and it has gone extremely well. So you know, when the justice centre, it seems like they don’t believe in mediation. Because I’ve requested them to seek mediation, you know, the thing with mediation which a lot of people don’t understand is if things are not resolved in mediation, you can go to a hearing. But the justice centre immediately shutting down the fact that ‘oh, we don’t want to deal with mediation’, because they just wanted to go directly to hearing. They didn’t want to give their clients the opportunity to settle this amicably in a mediation session.
Radio show lady: In many instances though, these women do not have five, ten thousand dollars to settle a case. They’re small business owners, I mean for a small business owner to come up with ten grand, they’re basically out of business.
Jessica: Exactly, which is why there are organizations like the justice centre, that do this pro bono, but the justice centre, like any type of firm, can settle things in mediation without putting all of the stress on their clients.
Radio show lady: And we’re gonna be speaking to John Carpay with the JCCF very shortly, Jessica, one more thing, I spoke to Lindsey Shepherd yesterday, and Lindsey Shepherd was banned by Twitter because she had an interaction with you, on Twitter, she felt that you were attacking her, you made references to her genitalia, she pushed back, and she was banned. What was that situation about?
Jessica: Well, to be fair, Lindsey Shepherd has been attacking me on Twitter since about November of 2018, where I essentially kept quiet on them, I reported things on the back burner. Eventually I had to stand up, I am under the assumption that Lindsey and the JCCF have a multitude of fake accounts, which is why I have brought forward a 500,000 costs application that unfortunately has to go against all of the respondents that the JCCF is representing, all three of those, which is very unfortunate, however I don’t really have a choice with this because I cannot seek costs directly against the council for their behaviour. And there has been a multitude of improper conduct faults from Mr Carpay, actually mostly Mr Carpay, and from Lindsey Shepherd.
Radio show lady: In the case of Lindsey, I think it was inappropriate to make references to her genitalia. And if someone did that to me on Twitter, I would push back quite hard.
Jessica: To be fair, both Lindsey Shepherd and the JCCF have made multiple inappropriate comments about my genitalia for months, and I just made one snarky remark about Lindsey. But the multitude of inappropriate comments have come from John Carpay, and Lindsey Shepherd. It’s unreal.
Radio show lady: I thank you Jessica Yaniv, thank you so much. I mean, yes you took some heavy criticism on social media, on Twitter, I applaud you for taking the time.
Jessica: And I do wanna say one thing, when it comes down to things like an arm wax, for example. Like an arm wax or a leg wax, like give me a break on those. With Shuti Hee Hargel [?], I find it absolutely ridiculous that someone can literally institute religion and culture into this. And the other thing I want to mention is apparently there’s, this respondent is on a low income basis. And they were in a pretty good job as a care aid in the Freemont health authority [?], but according to them, when they got married they left that job due to the fear that they’re going to touch a biological man. I just find that, I don’t really know what to say. You’re taking a potential 25,000 dollar income in annually, and you're taking that allegedly down to 500 because you’re so afraid of touching a biological man. It’s just, it blows my mind.
Radio show lady: I see your point, what I think should happen is there should be a meeting with the transwomen community, with the esthetician schools and the esthetician businesses. Have a big public meeting and everybody, talk to these esthetician schools about teaching how to wax carefully, because a male genitalia needs to be handled carefully, so I think instead of calling these businesses and say, do the service, they say no and then there’s a lawsuit, I think there are some other ways around it.
Jessica: What I do want to touch on is that a lot of these businesses I have filed complaints against are not even licensed, nor is it to my belief that they’ve undergone any kind of official training as well.
Radio show lady: In that instances you could even wind up being burned or-
Jessica: I know, I will admit it is very very very risky.
Radio show lady: I would not go to an esthetician that is not a responsible and a reputable organization. I thank you so much, Jessica. It was very courageous of you to hunt me down, call me on the show, and get out your point of view.
Jessica: Yeah, I just wanted people to hear my side of the story because unfortunately organizations like Feminist Current and other ones, I’m just watching my Twitter, they’re not seeking my opinion on this, they’re just publishing things. I really appreciate you giving me the opportunity to reach out to you.
Radio show lady: Thank you so much, I appreciate it and we will follow up with you again. Thank you Jessica Yaniv.
Radio show lady: -This is from estheticians, she wasn’t getting that. We will be speaking with John Carpay, with the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, who intervened in one of these lawsuits on behalf of an esthetician who said that she didn’t know how to do a brazilian wax on male genitalia. We’ll be right back, stay with us and call us, 416 640 0200.
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Yes, thank you so much for joining us ladies and gentlemen, a great show, we started off with a conversation with a trans woman, Jessica Yaniv, who filed multiple human rights complaints, she said, because she was not getting the services that she required. As a Canadian, she went to a number of estheticians and she said she was refused services. In many instance, however, the estheticians that she took, filed human rights complaints against, these estheticians closed their doors and they couldn’t handle the legal process. She indicated, Jessica indicated, that there were other circumstances as to why these estheticians shut down their businesses. But the end result is still the same - these women are no longer working at their businesses because of the human rights complaints. We have John Carpay. He is a constitutional lawyer, and the president of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. The JCCF intervened in a case against an esthetician filed by Miss Yaniv, who wanted a service from the esthetician, the esthetician said that she wasn’t experienced enough to do the genitalia waxing, brazillian waxing, human rights complaint was filed that JCCF intervened in that case. Welcome John Carpay.
John: I’m glad to be on your show.
Radio show lady: Thank you so much John, we had Jessica Yaniv on earlier, she called in and it was good to hear her side of the story. Essentially, you, the JCCF intervened in the case of one of the estheticians, who Jessica Yaniv had filed a human rights complaint against. Tell us about that case.
John: Yes, yeah. Yaniv filed complaints against more than a dozen women in the Greater Vancouver area, in British Columbia, and we represented five of the women. The first two women, Yaniv withdrew his complaint as soon as he found out that they had legal representation, but the other three, he did proceed to a hearing, and so those hearings were held on July 4th, July 5th, and the last one was yesterday, July 17th. And at those hearings, we had expert testimony from an esthetician who has a salon that provides waxing services for men, and this woman testified that the procedure for waxing male genitals is very different, and requires different wax. And, so the women that Yaniv complained against were not even capable or qualified of providing that service to Yaniv, because Yaniv has admitted on the internet, as well as during the human rights hearings, that Yaniv has male genitals.
Radio show lady: Certainly, you made mention of - You referred to Yaniv as “He”, Yaniv would prefer to be referred to as “she”, so I guess for the sake of our conversation [Radio lady seems to be holding back a laugh at this point and I hear a laughter breath from John as well] we will refer to Jessica Yaniv as ‘she’, for the sake of our conversation.
John: I meant to say Yaniv, it just slipped out the wrong way. I refer to Yaniv as Yaniv, that’s my goal.
Radio show lady: Yes, this is a very complex case, and the justice centre felt that these estheticians were being unfairly targeted, is that your take on the situation?
John: Absolutely, they were victims of these complaints because when you have a human rights complaint filed against you, it’s an extremely stressful ordeal. We provided, the justice centre provided free legal representation to five of these women, but if there are others that were not aware of the justice centre, and that have paid thousands of dollars in legal fees. There’s also women who possibly have paid thousands of dollars in settlement to Yaniv, because what Yaniv was doing was saying to these women, ‘y’know, if you pay me $5000 or $3000 or $2000 dollars, I will withdraw the complaint’. And we don’t know how many of the women have succumbed to that, because it’s a lot cheaper to pay two to three thousand dollars to Yaniv than it is to pay 20 to thirty thousand dollars to lawyers for legal representation.
Radio show lady: And John Carpay, here is my problem. My problem is with the BC Human Rights commissions. And pretty much Human Rights commissions here in canada. I would like to see some major changes. Because A, you start off with a process where you, if there’s a complaint filed against anybody, they’re automatically assumed to be guilty. They’re facing thousands of dollars in legal fees to defend themselves under a process that is pretty onerous, a legal process you’re dragged in, and then in some instances it’s just easier to go into your savings, pay whatever you can, and then shut down your businesses. I have spoken to a number of people who have been so badly mistreated by Human Rights Commissions, and they’re - they literally terrorize small businesses.
John: Well, there’s a lawyer in Toronto, Derek Brown, who handles a lot of these cases and what he says is that in most cases, even in cases where the human rights complaint has no basis at all, the business will just opt to write a five thousand dollar cheque or a ten thousand dollar cheque because if they try to fight against it they’re going to be out of pocket ten thousand, twenty thousand, thirty thousand dollars. And it’s just not worthwhile. But that’s pretty tragic, where you have situations where people are writing a five thousand dollar cheque, not because it’s the right thing to do but simply because it’s the best business decision because you don’t want to pay thirty or forty thousand dollars for a lawyer. So definitely the human rights regime, the laws and the process needs to be reformed to provide some fairness for the people that are facing frivolous complaints.
Radio show lady: And quite frankly, it can’t happen soon enough. In the case of these estheticians as you mentioned. With Jessica Yaniv when I spoke to her earlier, I had said instead of filing human rights complaints against these small business owners, and dragging them through a legal process almost to punish them, perhaps it would be best to deal with the esthetician organizations. And for the trans* community to sit with them and talk to them and offer them proper training, so that an esthetician can do male and do female, so to speak. So in some instances due to religious backgrounds, some women will not perform services to male genitalia. That’s another aspect to this.
John: The religious belief is definitely part of it. Some of the women have religious belief that they should not touch any men other than their husband, and that ought to be respected because that also is a basic human right, to be able to practise and live out your religious faith. But there’s also just a - even for the women that were not religious, there’s an issue of comfort. I mean, this is a very intimate procedure, wether the waxing is done on male or female parts, it’s a very intimate service that requires a lot of touching, and it’s just wrong to compel women, by law, to be waxing male genitals. Especially when that service is available, there is a salon, at least one that we know of - there could be more - there is a place in Vancouver where people with male genitalia, wether they identify as male or female, they can get that service. Yaniv has that service available to Yaniv, but this is just targeting women and trying to force women to do something they don’t want to do.
Radio show lady: I must say, for the record, that I support Canadians who get the service that they require, wether it be esthetician services - Yaniv had mentioned that getting a simple arm wax was something that she was denied, getting leg wax was denied, not just the genitalia aspect of it. I think there needs to be another approach, instead of filing multiple human rights complaints and getting five thousand, ten thousand, or whatever from these small businesses, these business owners. I think there needs to be a rethink on this, because this to me is terrorizing small businesses. I do believe that these human rights commissions are terrorizing small businesses. It’s time for a reform, I’m happy that the JCCF at least intervened in a few cases. And in the recent case, the complaint was, Yaniv had removed her complaint.
John: Well the, one of the cases that was, it was Friday July 5th, the case that was heard on Friday July 5th, there’s a woman who provides waxing services to other women in their homes, right. She does not have her own salon, but she will drive in her car and go and provide the service to people where they live. This woman, for safety and security reasons, and I think a lot of women could relate to this, they don’t want to go to a house and be alone with somebody that has male genitals, even if that person happens to identify as a woman. They don’t feel comfortable with that, I think that for waxing arms and waxing legs, those services were available to Yaniv, but in almost all of the complaints, there is one complaint where Yaniv said that couldn't get arms and legs waxed, but that is a case where there is a woman whose by herself, who is going to peoples homes, and the woman didn’t feel comfortable with that. So there is a salon for Yaniv to get all of the services that Yaniv needs, and I agree with you that regardless of how you identify, you should be able to get those services. But those services are available to Yaniv.
Radio show lady: And moving forward, John Carpay, with this particular situation, what do you suggest Yaniv should do instead of filing lawsuits, human rights complaints, an expensive legal process and an onerous legal process against these small businesses. What do you suggest should be done instead?
John: Well, Yaniv was present before the BC Human Rights Tribunal, on Thursday July 4th, when there, the expert witness was testifying. The expert witness is a woman who runs a salon that provides waxing services for men, and Yaniv knows who this person is, Yaniv can contact this person, and get arms and legs and genitals waxed at that salon, that service is available to Yaniv, and Yaniv knows the name of that person and where that salon is.
Radio show lady: Thank you so much John Carpay, can you tell us quickly, what are some of the key initiatives, the key mandate for the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms? What exactly do you do?
John: Well, we are a registered charity. We get 100% of our funding comes from voluntary donations from Canadians, from coast to coast, and what we do is defend religious freedom and freedom of expression for Canadians, for example we defend free speech rights for students at universities when they’re being bullied and censored and intimidated by their student union or by their university. We fight for religious freedom, we have a case in Ontario where an evangelical Christian couple was denied the right to become foster parents or adoptive parents, purely because of their religious beliefs about sexuality. That’s one of our cases. So whenever the government is picking on somebody, we come to provide assistance to that person.
Radio show lady: And in the case of Lindsey Shephard, and I had mentioned that to Jessica Yaniv, who because of Yaniv’s inappropriate references to Lindsey Shephard, Lindsey wound up getting banned on Twitter. Is there a legal process, any kind of follow up in terms of getting Lindsey Shepherd reinstated again on Twitter - is that even important?
John: Well its very important, but unfortunately Twitter is kind of untouchable because they are a private entity, they are not government and so they have the freedom to discriminate against - I mean, they pretend to be an open platform for all viewpoints, but clearly they’re not. Twitter also banned a feminist in Vancouver by the name of Meghan Murphy, and the only thing Meghan Murphy said on Twitter is that - Meghan Murphy expressed the opinion that transwomen are actually men, men are men and women are women, and I know that Yaniv disagrees with that, and that’s fine, Yaniv has the right to disagree. But Twitter is supposed to be a platform for all views, that’s what they say, but in reality, Twitter is not, Twitter is very biased. And right now it looks like Lindsey Shephard would not be getting back on to Twitter.
Radio show lady: I thank you so much, John Carpay, for giving us your perspective on this whole brazilian waxing human rights, multiple human rights complaints against estheticians. I will hope that there is a more amenable way of addressing this issue, instead of the human rights commissions shutting down small businesses, and small businesses being forced to pony up ten thousand dollars to satisfy a complainant. I would hpe that we get past this particular situation, I thank you kindly John Carpay.
John: Thank you Carlene, talk to you again.
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Yes, thank you so much for joining us ladies and gentlemen, a great show, we started off with a conversation with a trans woman, Jessica Yaniv, who filed multiple human rights complaints, she said, because she was not getting the services that she required. As a Canadian, she went to a number of estheticians and she said she was refused services. In many instance, however, the estheticians that she took, filed human rights complaints against, these estheticians closed their doors and they couldn’t handle the legal process. She indicated, Jessica indicated, that there were other circumstances as to why these estheticians shut down their businesses. But the end result is still the same - these women are no longer working at their businesses because of the human rights complaints. We have John Carpay. He is a constitutional lawyer, and the president of the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. The JCCF intervened in a case against an esthetician filed by Miss Yaniv, who wanted a service from the esthetician, the esthetician said that she wasn’t experienced enough to do the genitalia waxing, brazillian waxing, human rights complaint was filed that JCCF intervened in that case. Welcome John Carpay.
John: I’m glad to be on your show.
Radio show lady: Thank you so much John, we had Jessica Yaniv on earlier, she called in and it was good to hear her side of the story. Essentially, you, the JCCF intervened in the case of one of the estheticians, who Jessica Yaniv had filed a human rights complaint against. Tell us about that case.
John: Yes, yeah. Yaniv filed complaints against more than a dozen women in the Greater Vancouver area, in British Columbia, and we represented five of the women. The first two women, Yaniv withdrew his complaint as soon as he found out that they had legal representation, but the other three, he did proceed to a hearing, and so those hearings were held on July 4th, July 5th, and the last one was yesterday, July 17th. And at those hearings, we had expert testimony from an esthetician who has a salon that provides waxing services for men, and this woman testified that the procedure for waxing male genitals is very different, and requires different wax. And, so the women that Yaniv complained against were not even capable or qualified of providing that service to Yaniv, because Yaniv has admitted on the internet, as well as during the human rights hearings, that Yaniv has male genitals.
Radio show lady: Certainly, you made mention of - You referred to Yaniv as “He”, Yaniv would prefer to be referred to as “she”, so I guess for the sake of our conversation [Radio lady seems to be holding back a laugh at this point and I hear a laughter breath from John as well] we will refer to Jessica Yaniv as ‘she’, for the sake of our conversation.
John: I meant to say Yaniv, it just slipped out the wrong way. I refer to Yaniv as Yaniv, that’s my goal.
Radio show lady: Yes, this is a very complex case, and the justice centre felt that these estheticians were being unfairly targeted, is that your take on the situation?
John: Absolutely, they were victims of these complaints because when you have a human rights complaint filed against you, it’s an extremely stressful ordeal. We provided, the justice centre provided free legal representation to five of these women, but if there are others that were not aware of the justice centre, and that have paid thousands of dollars in legal fees. There’s also women who possibly have paid thousands of dollars in settlement to Yaniv, because what Yaniv was doing was saying to these women, ‘y’know, if you pay me $5000 or $3000 or $2000 dollars, I will withdraw the complaint’. And we don’t know how many of the women have succumbed to that, because it’s a lot cheaper to pay two to three thousand dollars to Yaniv than it is to pay 20 to thirty thousand dollars to lawyers for legal representation.
Radio show lady: And John Carpay, here is my problem. My problem is with the BC Human Rights commissions. And pretty much Human Rights commissions here in canada. I would like to see some major changes. Because A, you start off with a process where you, if there’s a complaint filed against anybody, they’re automatically assumed to be guilty. They’re facing thousands of dollars in legal fees to defend themselves under a process that is pretty onerous, a legal process you’re dragged in, and then in some instances it’s just easier to go into your savings, pay whatever you can, and then shut down your businesses. I have spoken to a number of people who have been so badly mistreated by Human Rights Commissions, and they’re - they literally terrorize small businesses.
John: Well, there’s a lawyer in Toronto, Derek Brown, who handles a lot of these cases and what he says is that in most cases, even in cases where the human rights complaint has no basis at all, the business will just opt to write a five thousand dollar cheque or a ten thousand dollar cheque because if they try to fight against it they’re going to be out of pocket ten thousand, twenty thousand, thirty thousand dollars. And it’s just not worthwhile. But that’s pretty tragic, where you have situations where people are writing a five thousand dollar cheque, not because it’s the right thing to do but simply because it’s the best business decision because you don’t want to pay thirty or forty thousand dollars for a lawyer. So definitely the human rights regime, the laws and the process needs to be reformed to provide some fairness for the people that are facing frivolous complaints.
Radio show lady: And quite frankly, it can’t happen soon enough. In the case of these estheticians as you mentioned. With Jessica Yaniv when I spoke to her earlier, I had said instead of filing human rights complaints against these small business owners, and dragging them through a legal process almost to punish them, perhaps it would be best to deal with the esthetician organizations. And for the trans* community to sit with them and talk to them and offer them proper training, so that an esthetician can do male and do female, so to speak. So in some instances due to religious backgrounds, some women will not perform services to male genitalia. That’s another aspect to this.
John: The religious belief is definitely part of it. Some of the women have religious belief that they should not touch any men other than their husband, and that ought to be respected because that also is a basic human right, to be able to practise and live out your religious faith. But there’s also just a - even for the women that were not religious, there’s an issue of comfort. I mean, this is a very intimate procedure, wether the waxing is done on male or female parts, it’s a very intimate service that requires a lot of touching, and it’s just wrong to compel women, by law, to be waxing male genitals. Especially when that service is available, there is a salon, at least one that we know of - there could be more - there is a place in Vancouver where people with male genitalia, wether they identify as male or female, they can get that service. Yaniv has that service available to Yaniv, but this is just targeting women and trying to force women to do something they don’t want to do.
Radio show lady: I must say, for the record, that I support Canadians who get the service that they require, wether it be esthetician services - Yaniv had mentioned that getting a simple arm wax was something that she was denied, getting leg wax was denied, not just the genitalia aspect of it. I think there needs to be another approach, instead of filing multiple human rights complaints and getting five thousand, ten thousand, or whatever from these small businesses, these business owners. I think there needs to be a rethink on this, because this to me is terrorizing small businesses. I do believe that these human rights commissions are terrorizing small businesses. It’s time for a reform, I’m happy that the JCCF at least intervened in a few cases. And in the recent case, the complaint was, Yaniv had removed her complaint.
John: Well the, one of the cases that was, it was Friday July 5th, the case that was heard on Friday July 5th, there’s a woman who provides waxing services to other women in their homes, right. She does not have her own salon, but she will drive in her car and go and provide the service to people where they live. This woman, for safety and security reasons, and I think a lot of women could relate to this, they don’t want to go to a house and be alone with somebody that has male genitals, even if that person happens to identify as a woman. They don’t feel comfortable with that, I think that for waxing arms and waxing legs, those services were available to Yaniv, but in almost all of the complaints, there is one complaint where Yaniv said that couldn't get arms and legs waxed, but that is a case where there is a woman whose by herself, who is going to peoples homes, and the woman didn’t feel comfortable with that. So there is a salon for Yaniv to get all of the services that Yaniv needs, and I agree with you that regardless of how you identify, you should be able to get those services. But those services are available to Yaniv.
Radio show lady: And moving forward, John Carpay, with this particular situation, what do you suggest Yaniv should do instead of filing lawsuits, human rights complaints, an expensive legal process and an onerous legal process against these small businesses. What do you suggest should be done instead?
John: Well, Yaniv was present before the BC Human Rights Tribunal, on Thursday July 4th, when there, the expert witness was testifying. The expert witness is a woman who runs a salon that provides waxing services for men, and Yaniv knows who this person is, Yaniv can contact this person, and get arms and legs and genitals waxed at that salon, that service is available to Yaniv, and Yaniv knows the name of that person and where that salon is.
Radio show lady: Thank you so much John Carpay, can you tell us quickly, what are some of the key initiatives, the key mandate for the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms? What exactly do you do?
John: Well, we are a registered charity. We get 100% of our funding comes from voluntary donations from Canadians, from coast to coast, and what we do is defend religious freedom and freedom of expression for Canadians, for example we defend free speech rights for students at universities when they’re being bullied and censored and intimidated by their student union or by their university. We fight for religious freedom, we have a case in Ontario where an evangelical Christian couple was denied the right to become foster parents or adoptive parents, purely because of their religious beliefs about sexuality. That’s one of our cases. So whenever the government is picking on somebody, we come to provide assistance to that person.
Radio show lady: And in the case of Lindsey Shephard, and I had mentioned that to Jessica Yaniv, who because of Yaniv’s inappropriate references to Lindsey Shephard, Lindsey wound up getting banned on Twitter. Is there a legal process, any kind of follow up in terms of getting Lindsey Shepherd reinstated again on Twitter - is that even important?
John: Well its very important, but unfortunately Twitter is kind of untouchable because they are a private entity, they are not government and so they have the freedom to discriminate against - I mean, they pretend to be an open platform for all viewpoints, but clearly they’re not. Twitter also banned a feminist in Vancouver by the name of Meghan Murphy, and the only thing Meghan Murphy said on Twitter is that - Meghan Murphy expressed the opinion that transwomen are actually men, men are men and women are women, and I know that Yaniv disagrees with that, and that’s fine, Yaniv has the right to disagree. But Twitter is supposed to be a platform for all views, that’s what they say, but in reality, Twitter is not, Twitter is very biased. And right now it looks like Lindsey Shephard would not be getting back on to Twitter.
Radio show lady: I thank you so much, John Carpay, for giving us your perspective on this whole brazilian waxing human rights, multiple human rights complaints against estheticians. I will hope that there is a more amenable way of addressing this issue, instead of the human rights commissions shutting down small businesses, and small businesses being forced to pony up ten thousand dollars to satisfy a complainant. I would hpe that we get past this particular situation, I thank you kindly John Carpay.
John: Thank you Carlene, talk to you again.
Radio show lady: We’ll be touching on this matter again because I intend to follow up with the BC Human Rights Comission to find out if there’s a better way for them to do business rather than terrorizing small businesses, and forcing them to shut down. Thank you Jacklyn for calling Media Nation on Sauga 960 AM. Thank you so much. [Jacklyn says thank you]. And I hear that we have Jessica Yaniv -
Jessica: Hi, I’m back
Radio show lady: Hi Jessica, yes, we have a couple minutes. What are your thoughts?
Jessica: So I want to clear, I was listening to Mr. Carpay, I just couldn’t help it, and I thought, y’know, I want to clear some stuff up here. Like, essentially, no-one has forced these people and these employees into this specific line of work. There are many, many many jobs that radicalize, uh, racialize, rather sorry, and immigrant women can get in to, but they’ve chosen this specific line of work. And one really important thing that I believe in, that, you know, when you go into, when you choose a job or when you apply for a job, when you try to give service, you can’t choose your clients based on their gender identity. The other thing I want to mention as well is, like what Jacklyn stated in regards to targeting immigrants. This is not at all a target on immigrant women. The fact of the matter is that immigrant and racialized women are the ones that, like I live in between Surrey and Langley, a British Columbian, and its a matter of the fact that immigrants and racialized women, and women of colour, are the ones that perform these services. In this area, it’s like every business you go to, you are running in to these women. So for example, if you go to a nail salon here, it’s usually women who are Taiwanese, or Vietnamese, same with a pedicure, you go to waxing, it’s usually East Indian women, it’s just common fact.
Radio show lady: Yes, yes.
Jessica: It’s completely different here, and in Toronto, and Miss Sauga [?]
Radio show lady: Yes, it’s true because -
Jessica: And as Ive stated, it really isnt fair that like an intersex person or a transgender person be refused service just because, that’s just how they were born, you know? That’s how they were born, you know? It’s really not fair that I have to go and seek services from sixteen salons, to get rejected from sixteen, then to have to travel all the way down to Victoria to go get a wax done. It’s just unacceptable. The other thing I want to mention as well, that Mr Carpay, and I do find it quite unreal that Mr Carpay will not accept my gender identity and treat me with the proper pronouns, it’s just unbelievable from a lawyers standpoint, you know. But essentially the JCCF, and this is why the cost application has been filed, particularly Mr Carpay and Lindsey Shepherd, who is an employee of the JCCF, they’ve been using platforms, this is the PostMillenial.com and Rebel Media, to smear me online and provide details without confirmation, without, even prior to hearings, about me. And this is a big concern because I don’t have the capability, and nor should I have the capability, to go and start smearing the respondents on social media, on blogs and everything. So how is it acceptable that a lawyer, a lawyer that is assigned to the bar of Alberta, be able to have the capability to literally publish details, prior to the case even being out there, and prior to me even giving evidence or testimony, and start smearing me online saying “JY has male genitalia”, and a whole bunch of other -
Radio show lady: I think you’ve raised a number of issues [obnoxious ‘yah’ from Yaniv] and maybe we’ll have to get John Carpay back on. But clearly, John Carpay’s organization Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, intervened in cases where in many instances people are being browbeaten, people are being denied their job opportunities, being fired, being threatened, and the JCCF intervenes to protect the rights, the constitutional rights of organizations. I understand your battles with the JCCF, I can’t speak to the battles with the other organizations. But I am happy we were able to give you, Jessica Yaniv, your opportunity today.
Jessica: There’s another big fight, currently that I’m gonna be fighting, that really affects all women and even all men all over Canada, and even most likely the States because usually things that happen here usually happen in the States, and that is gender based differential [Radio lady whispers ‘get the music’, music starts playing over Yaniv] pricing, so essentially why do us as women have to pay more for a haircut than a man does for the same amount of hair, same amount of time-
Radio show lady: Yes, well I support that one hundred percent. [Jessica interrupts: Its gonna be my next big fight] Thank you Jessica Yaniv for joining us today and giving us your side of the story. It’s a tall story, we were happy today on Media Nation to hear from you, thanks again for joining us, and ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us. [Jessica says no problem have a great day in background] Have a great day. We listened to John Carpay earlier with the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, talking about the other side and supporting the estheticians legally. It’s a very controversial, very complicated case. We are happy we could have both sides on Media Nation today, we’ll be back again tomorrow. Have a great day.
Jessica: Hi, I’m back
Radio show lady: Hi Jessica, yes, we have a couple minutes. What are your thoughts?
Jessica: So I want to clear, I was listening to Mr. Carpay, I just couldn’t help it, and I thought, y’know, I want to clear some stuff up here. Like, essentially, no-one has forced these people and these employees into this specific line of work. There are many, many many jobs that radicalize, uh, racialize, rather sorry, and immigrant women can get in to, but they’ve chosen this specific line of work. And one really important thing that I believe in, that, you know, when you go into, when you choose a job or when you apply for a job, when you try to give service, you can’t choose your clients based on their gender identity. The other thing I want to mention as well is, like what Jacklyn stated in regards to targeting immigrants. This is not at all a target on immigrant women. The fact of the matter is that immigrant and racialized women are the ones that, like I live in between Surrey and Langley, a British Columbian, and its a matter of the fact that immigrants and racialized women, and women of colour, are the ones that perform these services. In this area, it’s like every business you go to, you are running in to these women. So for example, if you go to a nail salon here, it’s usually women who are Taiwanese, or Vietnamese, same with a pedicure, you go to waxing, it’s usually East Indian women, it’s just common fact.
Radio show lady: Yes, yes.
Jessica: It’s completely different here, and in Toronto, and Miss Sauga [?]
Radio show lady: Yes, it’s true because -
Jessica: And as Ive stated, it really isnt fair that like an intersex person or a transgender person be refused service just because, that’s just how they were born, you know? That’s how they were born, you know? It’s really not fair that I have to go and seek services from sixteen salons, to get rejected from sixteen, then to have to travel all the way down to Victoria to go get a wax done. It’s just unacceptable. The other thing I want to mention as well, that Mr Carpay, and I do find it quite unreal that Mr Carpay will not accept my gender identity and treat me with the proper pronouns, it’s just unbelievable from a lawyers standpoint, you know. But essentially the JCCF, and this is why the cost application has been filed, particularly Mr Carpay and Lindsey Shepherd, who is an employee of the JCCF, they’ve been using platforms, this is the PostMillenial.com and Rebel Media, to smear me online and provide details without confirmation, without, even prior to hearings, about me. And this is a big concern because I don’t have the capability, and nor should I have the capability, to go and start smearing the respondents on social media, on blogs and everything. So how is it acceptable that a lawyer, a lawyer that is assigned to the bar of Alberta, be able to have the capability to literally publish details, prior to the case even being out there, and prior to me even giving evidence or testimony, and start smearing me online saying “JY has male genitalia”, and a whole bunch of other -
Radio show lady: I think you’ve raised a number of issues [obnoxious ‘yah’ from Yaniv] and maybe we’ll have to get John Carpay back on. But clearly, John Carpay’s organization Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, intervened in cases where in many instances people are being browbeaten, people are being denied their job opportunities, being fired, being threatened, and the JCCF intervenes to protect the rights, the constitutional rights of organizations. I understand your battles with the JCCF, I can’t speak to the battles with the other organizations. But I am happy we were able to give you, Jessica Yaniv, your opportunity today.
Jessica: There’s another big fight, currently that I’m gonna be fighting, that really affects all women and even all men all over Canada, and even most likely the States because usually things that happen here usually happen in the States, and that is gender based differential [Radio lady whispers ‘get the music’, music starts playing over Yaniv] pricing, so essentially why do us as women have to pay more for a haircut than a man does for the same amount of hair, same amount of time-
Radio show lady: Yes, well I support that one hundred percent. [Jessica interrupts: Its gonna be my next big fight] Thank you Jessica Yaniv for joining us today and giving us your side of the story. It’s a tall story, we were happy today on Media Nation to hear from you, thanks again for joining us, and ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us. [Jessica says no problem have a great day in background] Have a great day. We listened to John Carpay earlier with the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms, talking about the other side and supporting the estheticians legally. It’s a very controversial, very complicated case. We are happy we could have both sides on Media Nation today, we’ll be back again tomorrow. Have a great day.
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Jonathan doesn’t seem to like being ID’ed as Jewish which is interesting since it’s certainly something he could use in the oppression Olympics he’s trying to medal in.
Given what we’ve seen of his loud, crazy Israeli, mother I’m going to bet Johnny is desperate not to be yet another fat, nerdy, Jewish mamma’s boy. Really overbearing, obnoxious parents can make children want to distance themselves from the culture the parents are strongly identified with and I think that might be the case with Jonathan.
I actually think if Jonathan wasn’t Jewish he would have hopped aboard the white nationalist, incel alt-right train years ago. Jonathan is desperate to feel superior to minorities and bully ppl. The fact he’s a big pedo perv made him try to use the LQTWTFBBQ shield, but the rest of his politics seems like a typical conservative, Zionist Israeli ideology stuff. (There’s a big swath of Conservative Zionist jews types that love Trump and are very right wing. See Micheal Savage and AIPAC.
If Johnny wasn’t a huge pervert pedo and couldn’t try to use LGBTQ as a shield he might have been a millennial Dan Burros.