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[WhimsicalTrolli]

What's yellow flash ranting about mike S miller? I don't get on Twitter so I'm not sure what he done.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

What's yellow flash ranting about mike S miller? I don't get on Twitter so I'm not sure what he done.

From what I've heard VIA Ethan's stream is Mike and WC got into a twitter spat again.

I don't give a shit anymore, Mike is better off ignoring those speds.

 

[ᴍᴀᴅᴜᴋᴇ]

From what I've heard VIA Ethan's stream is Mike and WC got into a twitter spat again.

I don't give a shit anymore, Mike is better off ignoring those speds.

flash included

 

[KingofNothing]

Ya Boi seems to have a solid grip on getting these comics out now in a timely fashion, he already has Iron Sights 2 planned out. I really hope other creators are taking notes on this for future projects.

What's yellow flash ranting about mike S miller? I don't get on Twitter so I'm not sure what he done.

From what I've heard VIA Ethan's stream is Mike and WC got into a twitter spat again.

I don't give a shit anymore, Mike is better off ignoring those speds.

Spoiler: Niggas got mad because Mike said a "CG only" stance is bad

Mike S. Miller J✝️C on Twitter: "The very phrase "CG Only" is antithe…

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YF deleted his stream, but he needs to stop being a sped and take any personal beefs to DM's first.

 

[LL 196]

YF deleted his stream, but he needs to stop being a sped and take any personal beefs to DM's first.[/SPOILER]

YF wasn't the only one calling out Mike's hypocrisy. TUG was there too.

They're really not wrong though...

Mike Miller: CGONLY is anthithetical to comicsgate ideals. (not sure how that works in the first place but run with it)

Also Mike Miller...

Mike Miller: Doesn't platform a person because they're not comicsgate.

 

[LateNightComics]

YF wasn't the only one calling out Mike's hypocrisy. TUG was there too.

They're really not wrong though...

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Mike Miller: CGONLY is anthithetical to comicsgate ideals. (not sure how that works in the first place but run with it)

Also Mike Miller...

Mike Miller: Doesn't platform a person because they're not comicsgate.

This came out a year ago.

 

[Rebis]

This is a problem in almost any sort of “movement” eventually, but Comicsgate has it especially bad. They can’t decide who is or isn’t in Comicsgate because it’s a “consumer movement” but they also can’t have total morons saying stupid shit while wearing the Comicsgate label or promote any talentless hack who scribbles up a comic. There really isn’t an easy solution and I wish they’d just stop trying to take such absolutist views about it.

 

[Space_Ghost]

Will Caligan was the first person to be purity tested and pushed out. Maybe he and Mike can reconcile since Mike opened his eyes to the errors of what he did. I dont think he will because he's hard headed. Wasn't Yellow Flash saying he was adjacent after the trash fire debate with Unranked Chevron and Englentine? I recall him memeing and roasting the state of comicsgate but now he's saying Miller should be kissing Comicsgates feet and that purity testing is a right the consumers have. TUG also playing the victim on that stream saying the consumers standing with Mike and Doug might as well be calling him a Nazi. What the fuck is wrong with these spergs?

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Will Caligan was the first person to be purity tested and pushed out. Maybe he and Mike can reconcile since Mike opened his eyes to the errors of what he did. I dont think he will because he's hard headed. Wasn't Yellow Flash saying he was adjacent after the trash fire debate with Unranked Chevron and Englentine? I recall him memeing and roasting the state of comicsgate but now he's saying Miller should be kissing Comicsgates feet and that purity testing is a right the consumers have. TUG also playing the victim on that stream saying the consumers standing with Mike and Doug might as well be calling him a Nazi. What the fuck is wrong with these spergs?

TUG jumped the shark a long time ago.

 

[Starscreams Cape]

. People throw money at Ya Boi Zack because he is brutally honest about what he happening in his campaigns. When something got fucked up, he said so and told people he would make it right. Ben just seems to be scrambling to hide mistakes. But people see through that shit. He needs to reevaluate his shit FAST.

Right now YaBoi is in rarified air in that he is probably the only Comicsgate producer that most of the people in the movement overwhelmingly like AND trust.

So much of that goodwill was him just getting off Twitter and avoiding drama.

 

[gobbogobb]

So much of that goodwill was him just getting off Twitter and avoiding drama.

Pretty funny how that works isn't it? seems like everyone involved in this just can't help but biting the hands that feed them.

 

[Adamska]

Right now YaBoi is in rarified air in that he is probably the only Comicsgate producer that most of the people in the movement overwhelmingly like AND trust.

So much of that goodwill was him just getting off Twitter and avoiding drama.

Says a lot about how useful Twitter is and how most of this could be cut if the creators and weirdoes stopped using it to live life.

 

[Nippy]

I was just listening to Ethan's most recent stream and had some thoughts.

At one point he says something along the lines of, you need to be comicsgate because no matter what SJW's are going to call you comicsgate. My question is, why should anyone let what has been established as 12 psychopaths on Twitter define them? Why should anyone define themselves as being opposed to them? Congratulations, you're opposed to some of the dumbest, most mentally ill people on the planet. You're down in the trenches scrapping with them, but what does that make you? In the beginning I would watch Zack or Ethan's videos because sometimes it's just nice to have someone to commiserate with. But I can only hear about how SJW's are ruining the world so many times before I want to scream, "just get off the fucking Internet and go hug your kids or something." This shit becomes a cycle--someone casts someone in a movie, someone makes a video about of it, someone writes a Merry Sue article about the video, and on and on. It's all so tiresome.

Ethan describes the outside world as dangerous, that SJW's are wolves always lurking on the perimeter. Then not a moment later he says that he could leave comicsgate if he wanted and continue to do just fine. OK, so he admits himself that these people have no sway over crowdfunding. So what is the benefit, really, at this point, of calling yourself comicsgate? I haven't seen anybody fighting against SJW's in I don't know how long, all I've seen is people fighting each other. The thing about comicsgate is that so many of the big names aren't very bright. In the beginning it was kind of funny to watch someone like yellow flash fight with someone like renfamous because it's a little like watching two retards fight over a hamburger. You kind of like the one retard a little less, so you don't mind the other retard as much. But now the lesser of two retards has focused his retard rage on people who, while they may not be geniuses themselves, are at least producing something, are actually doing something halfway positive with their time and energy. I've watched Jon Malin flip out over nothing and call people names at least twice. I've seen people rally around and bully Nasser I don't know how many times. I've watched grown men act like catty women on Twitter. What is appealing about this except as a lolcow farm? Again, what is the benefit of being in comicsgate? If the benefit is larger platforms like Ethan's or yellow flash, then in practice, realistically, what is the impact of the label but those few people? Especially when the new party line is, "don't say anything controversial that might drive away potential customers."

What is the difference between adopting a self-identifier like comicsgate and adopting a set of pronouns? Calling yourself comicsgate isn't that far removed from putting a they/them in your bio.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Ethan describes the outside world as dangerous, that SJW's are wolves always lurking on the perimeter. Then not a moment later he says that he could leave comicsgate if he wanted and continue to do just fine. OK, so he admits himself that these people have no sway over crowdfunding. So what is the benefit, really, at this point, of calling yourself comicsgate?

I think he’s saying his personal brand is big enough that he wouldn’t suffer by just doing his own thing, but that it’s important to have a movement to lift up the people who otherwise would struggle. He’s saying he wants to promote other people because he thinks it’s important to have a healthy and sustainable alternative to mainstream comics.

You can agree or disagree with his conclusions and his methods, but that’s what he’s driving at.

 

[Nippy]

I think he’s saying his personal brand is big enough that he wouldn’t suffer by just doing his own thing, but that it’s important to have a movement to lift up the people who otherwise would struggle. He’s saying he wants to promote other people because he thinks it’s important to have a healthy and sustainable alternative to mainstream comics.

You can agree or disagree with his conclusions and his methods, but that’s what he’s driving at.

I get that, but in exchange of being lifted up you have to swear fealty to a label whose definition no one can agree on from one day to the next, whose most vocal proponents are always tearing out each other's throats. That's not healthy or sustainable. The appeal of comics is escapism. People turned away from the mainstream because the creator's ego and neurosis got in the way of the escapism. Now comicsgate itself has become a heap of ego and neurosis. I know the drama and bravado is part of the appeal for a lot of people. I can only speak for myself when I say I only get an ugly feeling from the whole thing anymore; I watch with the curiosity of a car crash.

I do find it odd that someone like SJW Spiderman never gets brought up anymore. I remember the last thing he said was something along the lines of, "we need to change your tactics." I would bet there's more than a few gay ops agents of his type in the WC or the cherries or what have you, helping escalate things. Even if that were true though, they can't be completely to blame for it if people are stupid enough to take the bait.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

I get that, but in exchange of being lifted up you have to swear fealty to a label

I don't think it's necessary - Doug is doing well, Mitch and Betty are doing well, and people like Brian Pulido and Billy Tucci keep chugging along oblivious to the noise. Ethan has positive things to say about all of them even if they don't fly the #cg flag, I think. I know there's some tension with Doug and Mitch, maybe, but the principals have been pretty gracious about whatever differences they might have.

whose definition no one can agree on from one day to the next, whose most vocal proponents are always tearing out each other's throats. That's not healthy or sustainable.

This is definitely true. Speds gonna sped and fuck everything up for everyone.

If I could communicate directly with every writer, artist, or other creative who's pushing indie comics right now, it would be to stop fucking engaging on Twitter beyond basic "Thanks for checking out my book" or "I'm sorry to hear you didn't like it" kind of posts. No one can control War Campaign and Cherries and whatever mean girls clique forms next week, and there's no point trying. You're going to get blowback when some retard who wants your nutsack harasses someone else on Twitter, but trying to police them just establishes a precedent and encourages people to look to you as a cop.

Promote your books, stay positive, and give us a reason to get invested in your success so that we want to throw money at you. Block out the white noise.

 

[LL 196]

I get that, but in exchange of being lifted up you have to swear fealty to a label whose definition no one can agree on from one day to the next, whose most vocal proponents are always tearing out each other's throats. That's not healthy or sustainable. The appeal of comics is escapism. People turned away from the mainstream because the creator's ego and neurosis got in the way of the escapism. Now comicsgate itself has become a heap of ego and neurosis. I know the drama and bravado is part of the appeal for a lot of people. I can only speak for myself when I say I only get an ugly feeling from the whole thing anymore; I watch with the curiosity of a car crash.

I do find it odd that someone like SJW Spiderman never gets brought up anymore. I remember the last thing he said was something along the lines of, "we need to change your tactics." I would bet there's more than a few gay ops agents of his type in the WC or the cherries or what have you, helping escalate things. Even if that were true though, they can't be completely to blame for it if people are stupid enough to take the bait.

There are dozens of independent comic avenues out there, but the only ones that ever consistently make a lot of money are the ones associated with comicsgate. Jon Malin has repeatedly hosted anyone who asked but EVS is more restricted in who he'll promote.

Warcampaign constantly find themselves getting into stupid fights that nobody cares about. There's only like 3 of them doing things like promotion and the rest perpetuating noise which is exactly what any gay ops want for screen grabbing.

Nobody talks about SJW Spiderman or Renfamous because allegedly they ran block-bots.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Nobody talks about SJW Spiderman or Renfamous because allegedly they ran block-bots.

Also they're fucking boring.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

This is why I think they should all get off Twitter, or really restrict their tweets.

WC in their own words were are just "memeing" but the minute someone does it with them, they get excited. I disagree with Mike, but let Mike have his take, and grow up.

But ultimately I don't care, and laugh at all the dumb shit that happens.

 

[damian]

TOM KING TIME:

A new sacrifice has been put on Tom King's altar of PTSD, Adam Strange. Also featuring Trump Derangement Syndrome:

Tom King Says Strange Adventures Will Be About Trump Instead of PTSD

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We just learned that Tom King, Mitch Gerads, and Doc Shaner are working on an Adam Strange comic called Strange Adventures at DC Comics for release in 2020. And at the DC Sunday Conversation panel at San Diego Comic-Con, King shared a few details on the project with DC Publisher Dan Didio and the assembled panel audience.
First of all, most readers by now know to expect certain themes in King’s work, such as PTSD, PTSD, and PTSD. But King says that’s all over now, and this upcoming project will explore different themes, according to Newsarama’s live blog of the panel. King is trying to “throw away” the themes of his previous work, including the Iraq War and his personal trauma.

As for what Strange Adventures will be about, King gave some clues about that as well, saying he wants to make something “more contemporary” and referencing comments a lot of people made after Donald Trump was elected in 2016 about how an era of fascism would result in great art. King says he hasn’t seen that great art yet, and so the creative team of Strange Adventures is going to try to make some.
(Update for Literal Larrys in the comment section taking issue with our headline – Trump himself doesn’t need to literally appear in the comic for it to be “about” him. If the art is being made in response to Trump’s election victory, then it is a commentary on that victory, and thus “about” him in an allegorical way.)
Strange Adventures is set to hit stores next year, so we’ll have to see if King is able to deliver on this promise.

Batman Sales:

For the first time since Rebirth started Batman is in the 80K range (88,428 ) the moment issue #61 (Knightmares part 1) hits the shelves. Since then (discounting 2 issues #62 & #64) has not been able to climb back up to it's regular 90K range in orders.

Pretty much a good sum up of Tom King's fall from grace: