Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Teignmouth Electron]

I don't think anyone knows what Eternals is about at this point. It has a diverse cast, which IMHO isn't a bad thing, but what concerns me is that we have little to no plot details whatsoever, aside from hypothetical ones about it revolving around Ikaris and Sersei. Other than that, nothing. My guess is they'll try to hype up the diversity aspect, mainly as a way to divert any sort of criticism if it ends up being a turd at the box office.

If it's far removed from the MCU, like the first GOTG movie was, maybe it might have a chance of being halfway decent.

To be clear, the cast being diverse doesn't bug me. It's the fact that they cast Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek who are both dried up hags with little talent.

 

[Adamska]

Jane Foster's femThor sold consistently well, at around 40k units a month. I suspect that probably had something to do with the art and the fact that femThor had the best art of any Marvel book for around two years. Real Thor was reintroduced in 2016 as The Unworthy Thor, and his book consistently outsold femThor by around 10k units.

Yeah, I don't trust those numbers since Marvel even at that point would dump product they want stores to take in exchange for shit that actually sold. They also would eat losses to make their numbers look good because in a clown industry like comics, 40k is considered "good". For all I know, maybe 8k copies sold and 32k languished on shelves before the business closed.

Still note that normal Thor, a B-lister, instantly outsold her the moment he came back.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

I would love to see a FF movie that takes place in the '60s and doesn't try to fit the team into the present-day MCU. Kind of like the Hank Pym/Janet Van Dyne Cold War adventures hinted at in the Ant-Man movies, it would be nice to keep the FF separate from the capeshit. They were always best as a Cold War weird science adventure team.

I unironically want them to go up against Red Ghost and the Super Apes if they go that route.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

I unironically want them to go up against Red Ghost and the Super Apes if they go that route.

You read my mind.

 

[Detrogen]

Here's something I find worth noting. Ben Henderson's Offworlder campaign is sitting at just under 13,000$ in funding. Less than half of what Ravage made. This is with Mike allowing the use of Lone Star for a separate tie-in book called Blood in the Jungle (with Edwin Boyette writing and promoting in his free time) and reprints of Ravage with a new cover being included on the same campaign.

So far he's extended the campaign and changed the name of his project on Indiegogo twice.

I could attribute a few factors to this flop. 30,000 is a lot to ask for in your base funding (he also has a bunch of low cost for entry tiers which doesn't help). I'm guessing Mike Baron isn't quite the draw Chuck Dixon is. Lastly, Ravage was okay at best and ended on a "to be continued" which is pretty obnoxious considering the time it took to get this book into people's hands.

I wouldn't say it contributed to the lack of success since it was already moving along slow, but EVS' video on Ravage in which most of the contents of his order were destroyed in shipping probably soured a lot of people on the project as well.

From what I've seen he hasn't bitched about it publicly like Mike Anger did when nobody wanted to back his book a second time, but it goes to show a lot of these smaller ComicsGate creators can't be especially optimistic about return customers unless their product is excellent.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Here's something I find worth noting. Ben Henderson's Offworlder campaign is sitting at just under 13,000$ in funding. Less than half of what Ravage made. This is with Mike allowing the use of Lone Star for a separate tie-in book called Blood in the Jungle (with Edwin Boyette writing and promoting in his free time) and reprints of Ravage with a new cover being included on the same campaign.

The concept of Ravage appealed to me more than Offworlder. I like jungle babes.

If Mike Baron was writing a crime comic, I would be more likely to take a look.

 

[KingofNothing]

Hard to feel bad for an internet sperg that made a million dollars pissing everyone in the world off.
This dude on Facebook is exceptional for even mentioning FGC's name.
This is the same idiot (2VS/FGC) who blames KF for people talking shit then demands people quit talking shit or he'll leave.

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"There are no secret discords plotting gay ops" > posts Facebook chats where he plans gay ops.

I mean. He's not "lying".

Is it really gay ops if he openly announces he's going to make videos his audience is chomping at the bit for?

I unironically want them to go up against Red Ghost and the Super Apes if they go that route.

I wanna see them turn some Skrulls into cows

Here's something I find worth noting. Ben Henderson's Offworlder campaign is sitting at just under 13,000$ in funding. Less than half of what Ravage made. This is with Mike allowing the use of Lone Star for a separate tie-in book called Blood in the Jungle (with Edwin Boyette writing and promoting in his free time) and reprints of Ravage with a new cover being included on the same campaign.

So far he's extended the campaign and changed the name of his project on Indiegogo twice.

I could attribute a few factors to this flop. 30,000 is a lot to ask for in your base funding (he also has a bunch of low cost for entry tiers which doesn't help). I'm guessing Mike Baron isn't quite the draw Chuck Dixon is. Lastly, Ravage was okay at best and ended on a "to be continued" which is pretty obnoxious considering the time it took to get this book into people's hands.

I wouldn't say it contributed to the lack of success since it was already moving along slow, but EVS' video on Ravage in which most of the contents of his order were destroyed in shipping probably soured a lot of people on the project as well.

From what I've seen he hasn't bitched about it publicly like Mike Anger did when nobody wanted to back his book a second time, but it goes to show a lot of these smaller ComicsGate creators can't be especially optimistic about return customers unless their product is excellent.

I had forgotten about this campaign, a shame it's not doing as well, it's a nice looking comic. He really should have lowered that goal though, not even Zack has his that high. I do hope EVS' unboxing video didn't damage the project because I got my book in fine condition. Guess Jersey has some really dickish mailmen.

 

[ᴍᴀᴅᴜᴋᴇ]

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I heard rumors she was done with Thor in 2 because it wouldn’t have grown her accolades like say being a lead character would be. I bet the only reason she agreed to come back was because she was promised she could be Thor. I still Trust Kevin Ferge not to fuck it up

 

[RodgerDodger]

Personally, I think Shang-Chi is the blatant attempt to recapture the lightning in a bottle of Black Panther, albeit with an Asian-American audience. But, the lead guy is pretty enjoyable in 'Kim's Convenience', and he's been wanting to play in a capeshit flick for a long time now, so I hope the movie does well.

Personally, I'm curious to see how Phase 4 will pan out, especially if they're going to go woke this time. Love them or hate them, the 20-odd Marvel flicks so far were popular because they were easily digestable to the normie masses, largely unoffensive, and didn't take any huge risks (yes, this includes Black Panther). The only misstep, albeit from a critical standpoint, was Captain Marvel, but that's only because Brie Larson's attitude didn't help much and no one learned from the media brouhaha of Ghostbusters '16. But overall, they didn't have anything that would cause conservatives to riot or slightly left-of-center people to get salty about.

FemThor is probably a Hail Mary Pass after how poorly received Captain Marvel was. I know a lot of people are rolling their eyes already, but I think Taika Waititi could pull it off in a way that might make just about everyone okay with it. Eternals seems like too high concept for the casual audience, so we could theoretically be in for the first major failure of the MCU, I don't know.

Shang-Chi is the most tailor made Marvel property for a movie, simply because it was lifted wholesale from the Kung Fu movies airing in inner city theaters in the 70’s. It could easily be a fun Kung Fu retro romp. Plus it sounds like they are dodging Shang Chi’s legally and socially problematic origins (originally he was the run away son of Fu Manchu. Born to be a replacement body for the evil wizard.) Now he is seemingly connected to Iron Man’s 5 Rings/ Mandarin.

Interestingly they may not be making all the mistakes of the comics. Cap gave Falcon the shield, but his show is Falcon and Winter Soldier. So he is seemingly keeping his own name. Also interesting is no sign of Tree Larson in phase 4. With signs that the X-Men and Fantastic Four May step up to center stage before(if) we see her again.

Eternals was meant to be more of a gateway to Marvel’s cosmic stuff, pre Fox merger.

 

[ᴍᴀᴅᴜᴋᴇ]

I lol'd a bit

 

[LL 196]

Here's something I find worth noting. Ben Henderson's Offworlder campaign is sitting at just under 13,000$ in funding. Less than half of what Ravage made. This is with Mike allowing the use of Lone Star for a separate tie-in book called Blood in the Jungle (with Edwin Boyette writing and promoting in his free time) and reprints of Ravage with a new cover being included on the same campaign.

So far he's extended the campaign and changed the name of his project on Indiegogo twice.

I could attribute a few factors to this flop. 30,000 is a lot to ask for in your base funding (he also has a bunch of low cost for entry tiers which doesn't help). I'm guessing Mike Baron isn't quite the draw Chuck Dixon is. Lastly, Ravage was okay at best and ended on a "to be continued" which is pretty obnoxious considering the time it took to get this book into people's hands.

I wouldn't say it contributed to the lack of success since it was already moving along slow, but EVS' video on Ravage in which most of the contents of his order were destroyed in shipping probably soured a lot of people on the project as well.

From what I've seen he hasn't bitched about it publicly like Mike Anger did when nobody wanted to back his book a second time, but it goes to show a lot of these smaller ComicsGate creators can't be especially optimistic about return customers unless their product is excellent.

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Cautionary made some big mistakes. Bragging repeatedly that his book was in shops (a single shop?) multiple times didn't help. His pictures showed him selling it for $3.99 definitely didn't do him any favors. He messed up fulfillment and some people still haven't received Ravage.

edit: Oh yeah, Ya boi Zack, Mike Miller, and Jon Malin are all outpacing their initial offerings. And not all of those were "excellent". I think Henderson hurt his own line more than anything. I'm surprised at some of the sillier mistakes these first time crowdfunders are making...

Martina Markota: fulfilling things as she gets them instead of all at once, exponentially increasing fulfillment costs...
Henderson: Putting his books in stores before giving it to his backers and selling it for $3.99 to boot...
Various peeps: hoping that getting on EVS show is the be all end all of success.
Various peeps: greatly overestimating how quickly they can get the book fulfulled.

That last one is more forgivable.

 

[FROG]

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Cautionary made some big mistakes. Bragging repeatedly that his book was in shops (a single shop?) multiple times didn't help. His pictures showed him selling it for $3.99 definitely didn't do him any favors. He messed up fulfillment and some people still haven't received Ravage.

edit: Oh yeah, Ya boi Zack, Mike Miller, and Jon Malin are all outpacing their initial offerings. And not all of those were "excellent". I think Henderson hurt his own line more than anything. I'm surprised at some of the sillier mistakes these first time crowdfunders are making...

Martina Markota: fulfilling things as she gets them instead of all at once, exponentially increasing fulfillment costs...
Henderson: Putting his books in stores before giving it to his backers and selling it for $3.99 to boot...
Various peeps: hoping that getting on EVS show is the be all end all of success.
Various peeps: greatly overestimating how quickly they can get the book fulfulled.

That last one is more forgivable.

Ben's first book rode the crest of Summer 2018 ComicsGate, and thus, it did pretty well. I haven't really promoted this project that much, so maybe I should. It looks pretty good, and with Mike Baron as writer, it should be a good read.

The campaign still has three weeks to go, so I'm sure it'll get funded, even at that crazy $30K goal. (Not a great idea...IGG's algorithm picks up campaigns that have exceeded their goal a few times over. It's risky, but putting that goal number at $2000 would have made them promote the campaign as a big success. He'd get more eyeballs. Just a tip.)

Fun fact, there's the ignore option that makes it all go away just like on Twitter.

Pretty useful when you can't be fucked to deal with thirstposters tbh.

I didn't know I could do that. Done! Thanks.

 

[Rebis]

Funny, I stopped following Comic Pages Without Context because they kept posting modern Marvel shit which - in most cases - comes off as wacky and awkward even in context. Of course the moderator of a shitty Facebook page has a hate-boner for EVS.

Of course, I always said Ethan's content was repetitive and cringy a fuck, but I guess if it gets him revenue then by all means let him shit up the YouTubes with eight thousand more videos about Rian Johnson. I'm not against people getting paid.

On the subject of the MCU, we all knew they were waiting for the end of Endgame to go whole-hog with the current year Marvel trash. I'm not miffed about black Captain America since, unlike Nick Spencer, they gave Steve Rogers a respectful send off and I generally like Anthony Mackie. I had a suspicion they were going to whip out Fem-Thor when they made Thor an extended, unfunny fat joke in Endgame and they didn't disappoint. Taika Watiti is a consistently good director, but it's going to take a miracle for him to yank a solid performance out of Natalie Portman.

I know one of the people who run CBPWC and they spend waaay too much time thinking about EVS. Pretty sure all of them pirate every comics instead of actually paying for them too.

 

[Love Soze]

Ben really fucked up his IGG gig trying to be mainstream. Selling at cons and stores all while his RAVAGE IGG page was filling with "Where's my book?" comments was a really bad look. The comments are STILL full of people saying "Where's my book?" and shipping was apparently started in MARCH.

Spoiler: March Shipping Announcement

Spoiler: Months of people commenting, almost every comment is "Where's my book" related. WARNING: LONG

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Fussing with that image, I forgot to say something: I think he can salvage this. But he needs to be much more transparent. He needs to just come out and say "Ok, here's what we learned from RAVAGE one" and be honest. People throw money at Ya Boi Zack because he is brutally honest about what he happening in his campaigns. When something got fucked up, he said so and told people he would make it right. Ben just seems to be scrambling to hide mistakes. But people see through that shit. He needs to reevaluate his shit FAST.

 

[Teignmouth Electron]

Ben really fucked up his IGG gig trying to be mainstream. Selling at cons and stores all while his RAVAGE IGG page was filling with "Where's my book?" comments was a really bad look. The comments are STILL full of people saying "Where's my book?" and shipping was apparently started in MARCH.

Spoiler: March Shipping Announcement

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Fussing with that image, I forgot to say something: I think he can salvage this. But he needs to be much more transparent. He needs to just come out and say "Ok, here's what we learned from RAVAGE one" and be honest. People throw money at Ya Boi Zack because he is brutally honest about what he happening in his campaigns. When something got fucked up, he said so and told people he would make it right. Ben just seems to be scrambling to hide mistakes. But people see through that shit. He needs to reevaluate his shit FAST.

I think Zack’s boo boo was cheaping out on packaging and paper quality, not ignoring his IGG backers while moving the same product in retail. Apples and oranges as far as I can tell, and one’s easier to remedy than the other.

Plus, he’s Ya Boi and the unofficial mascot of CG. I think he’s got a lot more inbuilt goodwill just by virtue of being who he is.

 

[Adamska]

I think Zack’s boo boo was cheaping out on packaging and paper quality, not ignoring his IGG backers while moving the same product in retail. Apples and oranges as far as I can tell, and one’s easier to remedy than the other.

Plus, he’s Ya Boi and the unofficial mascot of CG. I think he’s got a lot more inbuilt goodwill just by virtue of being who he is.

Nahh, @Love Soze was referring to the fact that Yaboi was actually late in delivering his product too, by a couple of months or so. What he did that made it so that most were okay with that was he openly admitted where it went wrong, apologized and tried making it up when needed.

The shitty shipper was an unexpected problem as well, but again he quickly said he'd send out replacements when he heard that they were shipped incompetently.

That open honesty was a big factor in why delays and shipping didn't bug me; he let me as the customer know what happened, what to expect, and in the case of those who got boned by the product, offered amends.

 

[Love Soze]

I think Zack’s boo boo was cheaping out on packaging and paper quality, not ignoring his IGG backers while moving the same product in retail. Apples and oranges as far as I can tell, and one’s easier to remedy than the other.

Plus, he’s Ya Boi and the unofficial mascot of CG. I think he’s got a lot more inbuilt goodwill just by virtue of being who he is.

Ben also apparently had an issue with the fulfillment service he used, but he has been very quiet about it, unlike Zack.
But like I said, I think if Ben came out and said "We messed up. We have learned from RAVAGE one. We had issues with the fulfillment service which made our books late and we didn't prioritize IGG backers like we should have. You guys are the reason this book got made and we will continue to learn and improve to make your customer experience better in X ways" or whatever, it would go a long way. Right now, I don't see how anyone would give him anymore money.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Say what you want about Ethan, but he's going to thrive where things like Cautionary Comics and Arkham will fail because he's realized that what you need to sell indie comics is MARKETING, so he's building a marketing engine by getting people to watch his youtube videos. You can't just plop your comic down on store shelves and hope that the ever dwindling direct market consumer will pick it out of a lineup of a 1000 other options and choose to buy it. That's only worked for one property that I can think of and that's The Walking Dead.

Zach kind of stumbled into this new social media marketing formula by accident when he started making his Diversity & Comics videos, but he's not a natural salesman like Ethan.

The big problem with EVS is he's putting a bit too much energy into selling his channel vs getting comics made. He should already have several All Caps offerings out there, with different writers and artists pitching in.

 

[LL 196]

Say what you want about Ethan, but he's going to thrive where things like Cautionary Comics and Arkham will fail because he's realized that what you need to sell indie comics is MARKETING, so he's building a marketing engine by getting people to watch his youtube videos. You can't just plop your comic down on store shelves and hope that the ever dwindling direct market consumer will pick it out of a lineup of a 1000 other options and choose to buy it. That's only worked for one property that I can think of and that's The Walking Dead.

Zach kind of stumbled into this new social media marketing formula by accident when he started making his Diversity & Comics videos, but he's not a natural salesman like Ethan.

The big problem with EVS is he's putting a bit too much energy into selling his channel vs getting comics made. He should already have several All Caps offerings out there, with different writers and artists pitching in.

The last part I'll agree with in part. Cecil, Boyette, some other writer should be scripting the Mens Fairy Tale series whatever thing. With Reighnbro Brute, the Snow White Knock-off etc. The hard part in comicsgate isn't people willing to write, but artists who aren't flakes. Get Nerd Wonder to do some art. She already did an ashcan for Jon Malin. Let her do art for 20 pages. If EVS can do one Cyberfrog book a year and then do one side book a year he might be on to something.

EVS is like the polar opposite of the Breitweisers. They sacrificed everything to build up momentum for future books. But people are prone to forget they exist. EVS makes sure he's in the spotlight but he hasn't got much going in the way of future momentum.

Ya boi Zack seems to have found a nice middle ground between maintaining momentum for future work while staying in the public spotlight.

 

[Gee Willows Wilson!]

Shang-Chi is the most tailor made Marvel property for a movie, simply because it was lifted wholesale from the Kung Fu movies airing in inner city theaters in the 70’s. It could easily be a fun Kung Fu retro romp. Plus it sounds like they are dodging Shang Chi’s legally and socially problematic origins (originally he was the run away son of Fu Manchu. Born to be a replacement body for the evil wizard.) Now he is seemingly connected to Iron Man’s 5 Rings/ Mandarin.

Interestingly they may not be making all the mistakes of the comics. Cap gave Falcon the shield, but his show is Falcon and Winter Soldier. So he is seemingly keeping his own name. Also interesting is no sign of Tree Larson in phase 4. With signs that the X-Men and Fantastic Four May step up to center stage before(if) we see her again.

Eternals was meant to be more of a gateway to Marvel’s cosmic stuff, pre Fox merger.

I didn't see her movie on the little calendar thing, but they have pretty much announced Captain Marvel 2, just like GotG 3 isn't on the list, but it's confirmed.

That's what I believe I've heard.