Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Random Internet Person]

I doubt this is about the Vic lawsuit and more from the fact the dub hasn't been updated since the end of the Fishman Island Arc

Either way, One Piece fans will be happy because 4Kids is dead, buried, and worm food.

 

[UY 690]

I doubt this is about the Vic lawsuit and more from the fact the dub hasn't been updated since the end of the Fishman Island Arc

Either way. The lawsuit must be pissing off Toei Animation to know that Funimation and their merry band of idiots are making their IPs look like shit. So they have to do something about it.

 

[Allanon]

I doubt this is about the Vic lawsuit and more from the fact the dub hasn't been updated since the end of the Fishman Island Arc

That's super common with the long running anime. Naruto dub stopped for like two or three years (something like from Sasuke retrieval to Shippuden, or they didn't get Shippuden for years after it started airing), Bleach dub stopped entirely, and I think Fairy Tail also stopped for a few years or something like that. For some reason dub companies struggle to keep their long running shounens going.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

That's super common with the long running anime. Naruto dub stopped for like two or three years (something like from Sasuke retrieval to Shippuden, or they didn't get Shippuden for years after it started airing).

Actually, the Naruto dub was always two years behind the Japanese airing (I think they still are).

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

Either way, One Piece fans will be happy because 4Kids is dead, buried, and worm food.

FUNipiece is mediocre. Yeah its no longer a warcrime handled by nutters, but mediocrity is nothing to be proud of.

 

[ItalianMobStripper]

Either way, One Piece fans will be happy because 4Kids is dead, buried, and worm food.

Sadly Yu-Gi-Oh! fans don't have the pleasure to say that

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

Sadly Yu-Gi-Oh! fans don't have the pleasure to say that

Be glad the source material is worthless garbage post 5Ds. What would a "competent" localization of ZeXal, Arc-V, and Vrains do, especially Arc-V?

 

[ItalianMobStripper]

Be glad the source material is worthless garbage post 5Ds. What would a "competent" localization of ZeXal, Arc-V, and Vrains do, especially Arc-V?

I agree, although I say Zexal II is salvageable

 

[Allanon]

Actually, the Naruto dub was always two years behind the Japanese airing (I think they still are).

Is that so? Interesting. I remember watching a panel where Colleen Clickenbeard (iirc she is or was the Naruto voice director) was celebrating that the dub was coming off of hiatus.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Is that so? Interesting. I remember watching a panel where Colleen Clickenbeard (iirc she is or was the Naruto voice director) was celebrating that the dub was coming off of hiatus.

Right now, the dub of Boruto is like 70 episodes behind the Japanese broadcast.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I think it's Bandai Namco of America that's hugely pozzed, at least they're not Sony levels of shit yet.

Didn't the One Piece Hot Spring stuff get removed because of Sony's policy?

IDK I just find it hard to believe they've drank the kool-aid considering SC6,the God Eater games and Code Vein getting released here in all their risque glory.

 

[quickthrowaway]

You're simply incorrect on a lot of this.

Spoiler: unimportant TFS, Funimation, and TOEI stuff

TFS has a patreon for them, but it is explicitly not for DBZA at all. It's for their other work, including their original content. You can argue all you want about how they wouldn't get any patrons if they hadn't first made DBZA but that's irrelevant. They're not making money off of DBZA. As for their marketplace, they use images that look similar to Toei's characters, but don't ever cross the line to certain trademarked or copyrighted content. They have a specialist they consult to make sure it never does. Again, that's just fair use.

Nappa's voice used in Xenoverse isn't relevant, because as has been established that isn't within Toei's purview. It's a Bandai thing, which evidently Funimation has a lot more control of, given that not only were they able to let Takahata and Kaiser (and I think Lanipator) make voices for the two games, they were also able to let TFS write the script for that custom voice. As established, Toei would have a seizure if Funimation ever attempted that with the anime itself.

And once again, you're wrong. If Toei could remove DBZA it absolutely would. It can't, because whatever contract they have evidently allows Funimation to control whether or not DBZA is allowed. This has been stated and demonstrated multiple times by TFS. Funimation, not Youtube, is the one who retracts every one of Toei's claims. Toei does not like DBZA and would absolutely strike it down. It can't, because Funimation says no. If that's irregular, then it's irregular. Evidently the contract stipulations allow this, and Toei isn't inclined to fight with Funimation to change it.

The combination of your Weird Al and AMV statements make it clear you're conflating visual aspects with audio ones. An AMV does pass the fair use requirements of the visual content. It just isn't fair use of the song that's included. Weird Al generally only asks permission for the audio part of his song (if he does at all. He's discussed that he often has gotten sued by the original copyright holders for his songs and doesn't care, because it always ends with his songs still out there) but the visual part he generally doesn't need to. Thus, he asked permission from Michael Jackson for Eat It (who was so approving of it he pointed Al to the place he filmed Beat It), but he didn't ask Lucas for permission for The Saga Begins.

You have a solid theory about Toei, but it's controverted by the statements issued by TFS in the past. While their videos often get removed by Toei bots, that's not always the case, and they've gotten legal threats from Toei before in the past. They just ignore them because Funimation has their back. You can complain all you like about how that's not how the law works, I don't care. That is how it works with TFS and Funimation vs Toei. It has been established as so for years. Maybe the reason for this is some kind of tradition Toei follows. Maybe the reason is because of special wording in their contracts. Maybe Sabat has the daughter of Toei's CEO kidnapped in a dungeon as leverage. The reason why isn't relevant. The end result still means that when it comes to DBZA, Funimation gets the final say, not Toei.

Spoiler: >You're simply incorrect on a lot of this.

Any competent lawyer can explain the roundabout way that TFS gets money from Patreon. There was a Mario flash series that was asking for money just to produce and was shut down by Nintendo just for that. Toei has just never followed through on that angle for long. Having a consultant so that hey can skirt copyright law on t shirts isn't fair use either. And you continue to fail to explain how TFS would explain that their work on DBZA is non profit and for educational purposes. That's the only reason you would bring up the defense that what you made makes no money.

I also have no idea why you bring Nappa as some example of my lack of logic. You were the one who originally brought up the Xenoverse games and Nappa's voice. And I was the one who pointed out that Bandai controls the DBZ games and leaves Sabat's studio to do the dubbing. Why are you repeating my points back to me? And Toei has thrown a seizure, that's why that Cell Games reenactment scene got cut.

Toei can remove DBZA. But it doesn't primarily because of PR backlash for pursuing any kind of actual action beyond DMCA'ing their videos. Just cause Toei hasn't sent TFS a cease and desist or taking them to court, does not mean they can't.

The only one conflating things is you. AMVs do no pass visual requirements, I was also using Weird Al to show you the distinction between what's commonly thought of as parody and what is an actual parody, as in the legal defense against copyright infringement. It was clearly a fruitless effort. Weird Al and most importantly his label respect the rights holders when it comes to his music, Weird Al has many songs and ideas that never got released because they never got permission. And Weird Al asked to parody Eat It because it has always been his policy to ask creators, the fact it keeps him legally safe also helps. And Micheal Jackson was a fan of "Eat it" and later "Fat" which is why he gave Al permission to use the same set as the "Bad" music video. Weird Al also did ask Lucasfilm for permission for The Saga Begins. They told him, "You should’ve seen the smile on his face.”

The word is contradicted you fucking jackass. TFS has also said that they reason they slowed down for Cell and are taking their time with Buu is because of Toei continuing to fuck with them. They have also then said it's cause they want to work on more episodes at the time. Their statements contradict themselves various times. Unless TFS were to put out the actual legal threats out there then it's just hearsay on their part.

Just because DBZA has continued to exist thanks in part to either Toei's lack of further interest in it and/or Funimation covering for them does not mean they are kosher. You have failed to demonstrate how Funimation has greater control of Toei's property. I will restate, Youtube is not a court of law. I know you don't care to know how the law actually works, you don't need to tell me. Just cause DBZA continues to be uploaded on Youtube does not make it fair use. You have to show how TFS would demonstrate how their videos demonstrate the four factors of fair use in their favor. You also continue spout easily debunked lies like "George Lucas sued Weird Al" and other easily verifiable stuff that I've already mentioned in this and past responses to you that lead to believe that you are HEAVILY misinformed.

Until you are actually interested in demonstrating how DBZA is fair use, I'm going to ignore your responses.

 

[Garm]

Sure:

Dr Peter Rees @ InventedGames on Twitter

“@SiffaSigurd @NickRekieta @ThatUmbrella @YellowFlashGuy @_Hero_Hei_ @SENPAiSNTHOME @RealClownfishTV Says you flew with him, not that Vic paid:”

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“@SiffaSigurd Fair. He inferred you were scared but perhaps you were simply embarrassed given the circumstances? Either way, he is clear that it was guess work on his part.”

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“@SiffaSigurd This was never stipulated. He said you requested to NOT to be assigned to him?”

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“@SiffaSigurd Fair, although subjective so not very meaningful all in all.”

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“@SiffaSigurd You are in agreement with the affidavit then.”

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What a sped.

Ah. Thank you. Man that was some shit.

The run up to the TCPA hearing will probably have such autistic screeching that the bowels of the earth will shake.

There isn't an ethics committee for judges right? I can imagine the backlash Chupp will get when his ruling comes out.

"Like, he totally decided against rape victims. Like, oh my god, it's 2019. We can't be doing things like that."

 

[FrigginWeeb]

Be glad the source material is worthless garbage post 5Ds. What would a "competent" localization of ZeXal, Arc-V, and Vrains do, especially Arc-V?

There's no saving Arc V, it would need to be entirely redone after the XYZ arc.
And kidneypunch whoever did the last goddamn episodes

 

[BrandedEagle]

Spoiler: >You're simply incorrect on a lot of this.

Any competent lawyer can explain the roundabout way that TFS gets money from Patreon. There was a Mario flash series that was asking for money just to produce and was shut down by Nintendo just for that. Toei has just never followed through on that angle for long. Having a consultant so that hey can skirt copyright law on t shirts isn't fair use either. And you continue to fail to explain how TFS would explain that their work on DBZA is non profit and for educational purposes. That's the only reason you would bring up the defense that what you made makes no money.

I also have no idea why you bring Nappa as some example of my lack of logic. You were the one who originally brought up the Xenoverse games and Nappa's voice. And I was the one who pointed out that Bandai controls the DBZ games and leaves Sabat's studio to do the dubbing. Why are you repeating my points back to me? And Toei has thrown a seizure, that's why that Cell Games reenactment scene got cut.

Toei can remove DBZA. But it doesn't primarily because of PR backlash for pursuing any kind of actual action beyond DMCA'ing their videos. Just cause Toei hasn't sent TFS a cease and desist or taking them to court, does not mean they can't.

The only one conflating things is you. AMVs do no pass visual requirements, I was also using Weird Al to show you the distinction between what's commonly thought of as parody and what is an actual parody, as in the legal defense against copyright infringement. It was clearly a fruitless effort. Weird Al and most importantly his label respect the rights holders when it comes to his music, Weird Al has many songs and ideas that never got released because they never got permission. And Weird Al asked to parody Eat It because it has always been his policy to ask creators, the fact it keeps him legally safe also helps. And Micheal Jackson was a fan of "Eat it" and later "Fat" which is why he gave Al permission to use the same set as the "Bad" music video. Weird Al also did ask Lucasfilm for permission for The Saga Begins. They told him, "You should’ve seen the smile on his face.”

The word is contradicted you fucking jackass. TFS has also said that they reason they slowed down for Cell and are taking their time with Buu is because of Toei continuing to fuck with them. They have also then said it's cause they want to work on more episodes at the time. Their statements contradict themselves various times. Unless TFS were to put out the actual legal threats out there then it's just hearsay on their part.

Just because DBZA has continued to exist thanks in part to either Toei's lack of further interest in it and/or Funimation covering for them does not mean they are kosher. You have failed to demonstrate how Funimation has greater control of Toei's property. I will restate, Youtube is not a court of law. I know you don't care to know how the law actually works, you don't need to tell me. Just cause DBZA continues to be uploaded on Youtube does not make it fair use. You have to show how TFS would demonstrate how their videos demonstrate the four factors of fair use in their favor. You also continue spout easily debunked lies like "George Lucas sued Weird Al" and other easily verifiable stuff that I've already mentioned in this and past responses to you that lead to believe that you are HEAVILY misinformed.

Until you are actually interested in demonstrating how DBZA is fair use, I'm going to ignore your responses.

He has you lolcow fart sniffer.

seriously, stfu. You two will never clearly see eye to eye and it's quite clear you're full of shit. So stop shitting up weeb wars with pointless, blatantly wrong bullshit.

let me put it in a way you can understand. If what you say is true, then wtf is youtube still a thing and not a legal smoldering crater?

because fair use is clear and it protects people like tfs, nick, joseph anderson, brainscratchcomms, etc. etc.

don't like it? too bad. deal with it and move on like a rational, normal adult you manchild.

 

[EriMin]

Ah. Thank you. Man that was some shit.

The run up to the TCPA hearing will probably have such autistic screeching that the bowels of the earth will shake.

There isn't an ethics committee for judges right? I can imagine the backlash Chupp will get when his ruling comes out.

"Like, he totally decided against rape victims. Like, oh my god, it's 2019. We can't be doing things like that."

/sigh. Yes, that was rather trying. So far only two people and Renfamous have been very persistent in asking questions. And I've no problem answering questions as long as people remain civil.

 

[Hoss]

/sigh. Yes, that was rather trying. So far only two people and Renfamous have been very persistent in asking questions. And I've no problem answering questions as long as people remain civil.

OH? Well then, time for the ULTIMATE QUESTION....

"What is better? Spanish food or Italian food?"

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Niosi is 32 years old. Not sure if that'll make you feel worse or better. Unless you mean Zach Aguillar.

I was referring to Zach.

Colleen didn't direct the Naruto dub. It was Mary Elizabeth McGlynn, a known bed-hopping relic. I find it ironic she divorced her husband only to shack up with Steve Blum. It's very suspect (ala Guy Pierce, Chris Pratt, Ewan McGregor, etc)

Also I don't agree with vandalism or attacking children/animals. That shit is low. Doxxing the evil people works better long as you aren't like...threatening to murder them when their young kids are around. (Think The Bride in Kill Bill specifically Vernita Green)

 

[quickthrowaway]

He has you lolcow fart sniffer.

seriously, stfu. You two will never clearly see eye to eye and it's quite clear you're full of shit. So stop shitting up weeb wars with pointless, blatantly wrong bullshit.

let me put it in a way you can understand. If what you say is true, then wtf is youtube still a thing and not a legal smoldering crater?

because fair use is clear and it protects people like tfs, nick, joseph anderson, brainscratchcomms, etc. etc.

don't like it? too bad. deal with it and move on like a rational, normal adult you manchild.

Your dumbass must have me confused for someone else. Either that or you're trying way to hard with the insults, faggot.

Fair use is determined by a court, it's a defense. Youtube continues to operate because they give rights holders overreaching protection so that they don't get dragged into another lawsuit like they did with Viacom.

All those people you mention produce wildly different videos. Equating what Nick does which is primarily read legal documents to what TFS does which is primarily using anime footage shows that you yourself don't know what fair use is or covers.

I'll even do you a favor and just show what YT itself has to say:



You were the one who said that what TFS does is "clearly fair use." So show it, there's the guidelines.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Speaking of KickVic and federal crimes, whatever happened regarding the fake BHBH emails/letters from the other month?