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[A Grey Cat]

Welcome to the 2020s, where the cries of an fat balding troon in a wig and dress can have your business shut down and livley hood taken away, now line up to get your RFID chip in your thumb if you want to buy and sell while we rise to worship the world leader and queen mother goddess.

 

[Lithos]

This is going from hilarious to painful now. And not just ball waxing painful.

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[2nd_time_user]

Not the same issue. Bakeries were, and are, free to refuse to make a cake based on the message conveyed by the cake. You can't demand that a bakery make you a cake in the shape of a dick, nor can you demand they make you a cake with a swastika on it. What got these bakeries into trouble wasn't the nature of the cake itself, but the fact that they didn't like the people who asked them to bake it. And, frankly, fuck them for refusing. You're a baker. Do your damn job.

With Yaniv, the waxers are in fact doing their damn jobs, which is to wax ladyparts, not balls. Anyone who's ever handled both male and female genitalia doesn't need to have it explained to them that waxing techniques designed for vulvas may not be well suited to safely handle the paper-thin skin of the scrotum. It's not the same job.



This is not even remotely true. Businesses were perfectly free to serve an integrated clientele if they wished; that's what the Negro Motorist Green Book was all about. But many or most prominent businesses--e.g., the lunch counter at Woolworth's--chose segregation or whites-only instead, leading to widespread denial of civil rights.

In the cake case, a transwoman indeed came in AFTER the ruling and demanded a trans cake--blue on the outside, pink on the inside. And the cake baker was also asked to do a dick cake and a satanic cake. The cake baker in both the gay and trans cases offered them a shelf cake, they just didn't want to work on a specialized cake with a message they didn't believe in. That's their right.

More info on the cake-baking case at adflegal.org.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Interesting thing is that if you can find people to do a service, your case for compelling people who refuse that service becomes weaker.

E.g. the Gay Wedding cake case was bullshit because the people could have got a cake if they'd found one of the many wedding cake shops run by gay men. Instead they pretty clearly targeted the only Christian religious conservative they could find and then sued him.

Conversely if you look at the pre Civil Rights south if you were black you couldn't just shop around - there was segregation legally required by the Democrats.

Now the fact that Yaniv is able to get his bollocks waxed shows he's in a similar situation to the Gay Wedding cake people than black people in the 50's Deep South.

Not really. The baker lost against the state until going to SCOTUS where he won on narrow grounds that had nothing to do with whether or not there was another bakery a block away. The fact that there is one business that will serve you does not exculpate others if they are refusing to serve you due to disallowed discrimination. And that's not even Canada where they seem to care a lot less about the sorts of defenses used in the US bakery case (religion, expression, etc) compared to inclusionary rights.

The problem here is that Jonathan isn't being denied food because of his skin color, he's being refused a service available to women because he's a man. And a creep. If we weren't batshit crazy that would take 5 minutes to figure out instead of weeks of pointless hearings.

 

[Rabid Weasels]

We already had proof of Jon getting waxed at Foxy Box, and a few posts back on the OG thread I found Stripped Wax Bar, a Vancouver chain with seven locations that does manzilians.

But just in case Jonny can’t get the scoot scoot out to the city, a two minute google search finds at least four additional salons in Surrey, White Rock, and his home base of Langley that also provide male genital waxes: Bubbles & Wax, Luxe Tanning, Hot Wax Spa, and Waxbox.

I’m a little surprised the JCCF haven’t brought up this angle, or maybe I’ve missed it, but Yaniv isn’t hurting for local waxing providers, which makes it even more clear that his intentions were purely of the harassment/vexatious variety.

He addressed this somewhere at some point, I think he said he couldn't afford going to an actual business salon. Nevermind that his stated income is mid three figures per day.

 

[WGkitty]

So apparently his mangina needs upkeep in the form of waxing every 2 weeks. What a load of horse shit.

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Unless he is claiming he JUST got a wax 2 weeks ago in which case I call bullshit also. Companies are going to find legal ways to not touch this person (or he is scaring people into touching his balls in which case he needs a thorough beating).

Does the dummy hurt his own case by talking about how he got a brozillian two weeks ago? One of the reasons he is giving for requesting so much in remedies is because he now has to go to Victoria for a brazilian, but if he just got one then he just admitted to perjury. What a moron.

 

[Pope Negro Joe the XIIIth]

The baker lost against the state until going to SCOTUS where he won on narrow grounds that had nothing to do with whether or not there was another bakery a block away. The fact that there is one business that will serve you does not exculpate others if they are refusing to serve you due to disallowed discrimination. And that's not even Canada where they seem to care a lot less about the sorts of defenses used in the US bakery case (religion, expression, etc) compared to inclusionary rights.

The baker lost against the state because their version of this BCHRT clown court started comparing him to a nazi (https://www.adflegal.org/detailspag...lo--commissioner-compared-cake-artist-to-nazi) even though the baker made it clear he was willing to provide them with any of his items that did not require him to produce a message that violated his personally held beliefs.

Phillips said that after Craig and Mullins introduced themselves, they told him they were looking for a cake for their wedding.

"I realized right then that this is not a cake that I’m going to be able to design and create for them," Phillips said. "I tried to apologize to them, say, you know, 'I’ll sell you cookies, brownies, birthday cakes, anything else in my store.'"

Phillips said the couple stormed out of his shop.

"We weren't in there for brownies for my birthday," Mullins said. "We were in there because we needed a cake to serve at our reception."

Phillips said he didn’t see his decision as an act of discrimination.

"I see it as an act of following my faith," Phillips said. "It’s not just a cake. It’s an iconic symbol of a wedding."

He continued, "This is a religious ceremony that goes in direct conflict with my faith."

How a same-sex wedding cake controversy made it all the way to the Supreme Court

"Nightline" spoke to cake artist Jack Phillips and couple Charles Craig and Dave Mullins before the ruling.

abcnews.go.com

The supreme court smacked them senseless for acting like fucking spergs. That's not even considering the fact that, much like Yaniv's case there was and still is a concerted effort to attack this baker for his crimes against the feelings social control methods of the GLBTQUYIOUHAKJSDTAFUIDG. Or that this lawsuit has been tried in multiple countries at this point. These fucks are so devoid of actual ideas that forcing cakes to get baked and balls to be waxed if as far as they can think.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

You can't wax a "vagina" FFS. He's supposed to be an expert in ladyparts but uses vagina as a catch all term for the labia, vulva, mons etc?

He also claims to be Intersex, yet admits to having dick & balls. Not something like ambiguous genetalia. Even OPL dropped that monicker when he realized how stupid he sounded and the fact that everyone has seen his gherkin and Robin's eggs.

 

[dopedodo]

The problem here is that Jonathan isn't being denied food because of his skin color, he's being refused a service available to women because he's a man. And a creep. If we weren't batshit crazy that would take 5 minutes to figure out instead of weeks of pointless hearings.

It's not even that. It's because he's asking for a service only available to people with female genitalia, when he doesn't have female genitalia.

 

[The Gay Banana]

My interpretation of the gay bakery case was that it was a good thing they sided with the bakery for everyone intended. So long as Christians don't have to bake cakes for gay weddings, gay people don't have to bake cakes saying "death to gays". I'm sure Peter Tatchell had a similar opinion.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

It's not even that. It's because he's asking for a service only available to people with female genitalia, when he doesn't have female genitalia.

sorry, I'm boomer enough that I sometimes forget to differentiate between 'female' and 'woman.'

 

[Lithos]

Interesting. Isn't Jenn Smith Oger's arch-nemesis?

 

[AnOminous]

E.g. the Gay Wedding cake case was bullshit because the people could have got a cake if they'd found one of the many wedding cake shops run by gay men.

I'd be surprised if there aren't more run by gay guys than straight guys frankly.

But they didn't ask for just a cake. That they would have been sold gladly. They wanted a custom cake where the guy would have to design and create it. Read the actual brief in the case. It has pictures of the kinds of things this shop did, and they were individualized works of art, not just some grocery store flat cake anyone could do.

 

[SourDiesel]

I think the point here, as evidenced by all the kiwi debate, is that the cake case was a legitimately nuanced situation that needed a court case to resolve to anyone's satisfaction. Sure no one should be forced to draw a swastika if they don't want to but does that extend to a cake with no writing? Someone had to decide that in law. This case is cut and dried fucking stupid. No one in thier right mind thinks these women should be forced to wax his hairy balls. There's no nuance here, no question. It's just fucking insane.

 

[AnOminous]

There's no nuance here, no question. It's just fucking insane.

The fact this is bogus tribunal even took this to fact finding, instead of just immediately throwing it out, sanctioning Yaniv for the costs of everyone involved, and declaring him a vexatious litigant, is utterly fucked.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

He also claims to be Intersex, yet admits to having dick & balls. Not something like ambiguous genetalia. Even OPL dropped that monicker when he realized how stupid he sounded and the fact that everyone has seen his gherkin and Robin's eggs.

I still don't understand why the legal defence for these women hasn't asked Jonathan for the name of his intersex condition. They're not just called "intersex", in the same way cancer isn't just cancer and you don't get generic cancer pills. Each intersex condition has its own name and its own symptoms. If he has a dick and balls and a vagina and periods too, you would expect he'd have used the name of it from the start and woukd be familiar with treatments and specialists. Name the condition, Jonny boy.

Only he wouldn't be able to, because no such intersex condition exists that has these physical symptoms.

It's such an easy point to make, I really have no idea why defence aren't asking the question.

 

[theshep]

If he has a dick and balls and a vagina and periods too, you would expect he'd have used the name of it from the start

You would expect he'd be the subject of a medical paper.

 

[2nd_time_user]

I think the point here, as evidenced by all the kiwi debate, is that the cake case was a legitimately nuanced situation that needed a court case to resolve to anyone's satisfaction. Sure no one should be forced to draw a swastika if they don't want to but does that extend to a cake with no writing? Someone had to decide that in law. This case is cut and dried fucking stupid. No one in thier right mind thinks these women should be forced to wax his hairy balls. There's no nuance here, no question. It's just fucking insane.

I agree. It's not like Yaniv CAN'T pay it. He has his mom and one of them has the deed to a $250,000 apartment that could be 2nded on.

 

[SourDiesel]

I agree. It's not like Yaniv CAN'T pay it. He has his mom and one of them has the deed to a $250,000 apartment that could be 2nded on.

Ah you quoted the wrong post I think but I think I know which one you meant and I'm with you.

 

[heathercho]

I still don't understand why the legal defence for these women hasn't asked Jonathan for the name of his intersex condition. They're not just called "intersex", in the same way cancer isn't just cancer and you don't get generic cancer pills. Each intersex condition has its own name and its own symptoms. If he has a dick and balls and a vagina and periods too, you would expect he'd have used the name of it from the start and woukd be familiar with treatments and specialists. Name the condition, Jonny boy.

Only he wouldn't be able to, because no such intersex condition exists that has these physical symptoms.

It's such an easy point to make, I really have no idea why defence aren't asking the question.

That's something I genuinely don't understand about this situation.

Jon has said that he has periods numerous times, can "technically" get pregnant (per the Owen Shroyer interview), that he has a vagina, cervix and at the same time, has a penis and balls.

He also at the same time, in one of the Infowars interviews, says he had "high levels of testosterone", before taking his titty skittles. That automatically cancels out his "I can get pregnant" non-sense.

It's neither here nor there, because we know he's a lying pervert, but true hermaphroditism is so fucking rare by itself, let alone fertility in true hermpharoditism and certainly not in people with high levels of testosterone.... who also menstruate.

God, his lies.... Just ask the fucking question you Cancucks.