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PULL's. PULL would be an interactive website -- a forum -- who provided the information.

Basically, this is the legal equivalent of "NOT IT."



... But they aren't paying them. Unless the Lawyers are hoping to run up a huge bill and then go after them later on...

On one hand you have demonstratably agenda filled feminist/SJWs/MeToo'ers. On the other hand you have a collection of LOLyers that do things like file novel length TCPAs that serve BHBH better than their own clients and actually prepped the fiasco that was Ron Toye's deposition. And then theres the documentation of various idiocy that resulted in 2000 pages of KF, multiple threads, entire sections dedicated to the players and Nick going from little known youtuber to niche star solely by trying to decode their drooling idiocy.


You are dealing with insanity and gross incompetence. It's useless to try deducing their intentions through logic and sense.
 
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if you support vic you are a nazi alt-right incel.
 

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This is a completely absurd argument that keeps popping up. It's false in and of itself. This "tactic" produces the exact opposite of what people are claiming it does: it ends up spending money from people that DON'T have the money to spend.

This filings are NOT intended to drain Vic's warchest, they don't do anything noticeable to that effect, nor does it matter to any of the parties involved in this lawsuit since Vic's funds (which are public) can be used to sue them two or three times over, shenanigans or not. No one on the defendants side is thinking of this as a drainage tactic because 1. it doesn't work and 2. it drains their funds, not Vic's. Maybe it drains a little more of Vic's than theirs, but Vic is not hurting for money, they are. It hurts them that much more.

Please stop making this argument, it's entirely nonsensical and extremely short-sighted to even say it.

The assumption that you're making there is that it takes the defendant's lawyers as much time to draft these ridiculous arguments as it takes BHBH to respond to them and provide counter-arguments as to why they're bad arguments. Take the recent addition where they're pleading affirmative defense under the Communications Decency Act. It probably didn't more than 10 minutes to draft and I wouldn't be surprised if Lemonhead hasn't tried something like that before.

The same goes with all of the utterly terrible affidavits that were included. If you look at the dates, several of them were only sworn a few days prior to the filing date for the TCPA motion. Even if they weren't largely hearsay or otherwise worthless on their own merits, several of them even contradict each other. Yet Ty or someone else still needs to spend the time going through them and pointing out all of this.

This is the same kind of asymmetrical guerrilla warfare style you see dirt poor countries use against established armies. If you can't afford to match them one-to-one the only way to fight is in ways that put them at a cost disadvantage. Frivolous bullshit is the perfect way to do that, particularly if the court doesn't sanction heavily enough.

I'm pretty sure they are in fact trying to do that. The fact that it makes little to no strategic sense just makes it more or less consistent with the rest of their strategy, which also makes no sense. That or they're just trying to bilk their clients out of as much money as possible.

If Lemoine really has five TCPA cases in appeals, I think it really does show that he just tries to drag things out in court for as long as possible in order to make it too costly for the opposition to continue. He doesn't care so much about winning outright, but staying around for so long that the opposition will eventually give up after exhausting their resources.

Lemoine might even be the kind of shyster that just uses the same bad arguments in multiple cases. If it's something that's already drafted and can be reused with only slight modification it really doesn't cost him a lot, even though it might seem that way.
 
I'm pretty sure they are in fact trying to do that. The fact that it makes little to no strategic sense just makes it more or less consistent with the rest of their strategy, which also makes no sense. That or they're just trying to bilk their clients out of as much money as possible.

Realistically, there are only three possible reasons they would do this.

A.) Its a desperate Hail Mary to remove some of the tweets and weaken the discrimination case against them.

B.) Its a gamble meant to drain BHBH of funds at the risk of being sactioned.

Or C.) Its a play towards the court of opinion more then the court of law. Meant to placate their followers by essentially saying, "Its not our fault! We listen to rumors from trusted sources online and got stuck holding the bag."

I lean towards C since their other fillings have also been more for the crowds then a judge.
 
So basically yeah, they're trying to say that since Ron heard it from someone else, he can't be punished for repeating it. No "provider or user" suggests that 230c1 does apply to Twitter users, and the "or speaker" suggests it would apply to defamation.

Aka, they're claiming Section 230(c)(1) makes it impossible to punish anyone who uses the internet for any speech crime -- Defamation, Slander, Libel -- as long as they claim to have heard the things they are saying from someone else. (Would Information Content Provider be other publishers, or individual users, or "fucking anyone"?)

Dear god what a Hail Mary.

By this logic, literally any speech, no matter what, is legal. Want to send Trump a Death Threat? Say you heard online someplace that he's gonna die screaming. Want to lie about someone? "You heard it somewhere." Want to defame people? Retweet in a circle, deleting the original tweet. In each case, 230c1 says you're not the speaker, ergo, you can't be punished for it.

Edit: Amusingly, this also makes Doxing explicitly legal. We're users of a platform that are repeating information from another source. Which specifically means that it's not our speech.

Random thought: If this holds up, doesn't that mean that you can't copyright just about anything? Youtube cover bands aren't performing "speech" because they're doing it based on something else, ergo since it's not speech it can't be copyrighted, and they can get fucked if some shitty fly by night company downloads and sells their work as MP3s.

Hell, you could take this to apply to say, Editing Wikipedia, or using Microsoft Office 365 to write that great American novel you've been working on. You used an interactive computer service (a website) with information from another information content provider (the dictionary).

Nevermind that La Choy saying that Vic assaulted 100+ is probably not something he got from PULL but just pulled out of his ass.
 
So our favorite WOP announced another signing event. 10th of August in NYC, coincidentally Liberty City Con is on the same weekend. Let's see how long the Manjawian Candidate, who was so high from her perceived victory will start to continue its chimping.

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I hope Nick is able to get someone from that convention to contact him, definately reeks of another bit of TI and I get the feeling these people are doing it at the behest of certain defendants or Iago.
 
One of the best anime shows ever produced with Monster coming a close second. The sheer amount of world building and galaxy spanning characters would force anyone at Marvel comics into a mental tailspin. Remember when this came out there was NO wikipedia/wiki like structure. LOTGH forced you to remember who the second admiral of the fourth fleet that was somehow now in defense of a damn flotilla attacking the moon base was. The show does a good job of keeping track of everyone but there are times that I went "Who the Fuck is this guy?"

11/10 will watch again when I have a month of my life to dedicate to binging it.
You referring to Naoki Urusawa’s Monster? That anime is amazing.
 
You referring to Naoki Urusawa’s Monster? That anime is amazing.


Yes...Yes i am.

If you loved the manga watch the Anime. You will absolutely be blown away at how damn good it is. It's 74 episodes of Mind fuckery that I still remember all these years after I watched it. Is it perfect replica from the manga? No, but it's DAMN close and even the die hard's say "It was as good as it can possibly get" with the spider's web of plot lines and intricacies that makeup Tenma's hunt for Johan all the more satisfying to see it acted and drawn so well.

It's 20 years old but it still holds well and even to this day I find myself tapping a bit of mnemonics on my leg...
 
So our favorite WOP announced another signing event. 10th of August in NYC, coincidentally Liberty City Con is on the same weekend. Let's see how long the Manjawian Candidate, who was so high from her perceived victory will start to continue its chimping.

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Someone should probably make sure that no one coerces Open Jar Studios to TI with Vic’s signing event.
 
Yes...Yes i am.

If you loved the manga watch the Anime. You will absolutely be blown away at how damn good it is. It's 74 episodes of Mind fuckery that I still remember all these years after I watched it. Is it perfect replica from the manga? No, but it's DAMN close and even the die hard's say "It was as good as it can possibly get" with the spider's web of plot lines and intricacies that makeup Tenma's hunt for Johan all the more satisfying to see it acted and drawn so well.

It's 20 years old but it still holds well and even to this day I find myself tapping a bit of mnemonics on my leg...

I haven't read it, only seen the show, and it was damned good. The vibe all throughout is so good and creepy. The score is solid. Plot is intricate. Voice acting is pretty good. The art aged well. Loved it.
 
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