Plagued Pizzagate / Pedogate - Batshit Conspiracy Nuts Who See Pedos Everywhere

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Your sudden conversion to super catholic is a surprising one, I have to say. Did Jacob Harrison manage to get to you? Or did you forget your catholic morals until they were convenient to an argument?

You are incredibly disingenuous, and it's funny you think you're hiding it well. Yeah, you're pretty good at posting content free bullshit to push opinions you don't like off the front page, but you fucking suck at arguing positions, because you don't pick which positions to support based on reality, it's all rationalization after the fact. Which is why sometimes you'll happily make unfounded claims about people, and other times, you're too pure hearted a catholic to engage in such sinful activity.
Fine, you know what, I'll admit to it: I was being autistic and using my religion as a moral high horse. I shouldn't have done that and deserve to be dunked on for it. Mea culpa, I'm only human. But even with that, that doesn't suddenly make you right about Podesta being a pedophile.
I will continue to hold that Podesta is innocent until proven guilty. You will continue to hold that he's guilty, period. I think you're being overzealous. You think I'm, at best, a hired gun for the Pedo Illuminati.
Out of curiosity: what would it take for you to believe 1. That Podesta isn't a pedophile or 2. That the Pedo Illuminati isn't a thing? (And before you turn this into me denying that child sex trafficking happens, I believe I've laid out what constitutes the Pedo Illuminati conspiracy enough that you can infer what I mean when I say that.)
 
Fine, you know what, I'll admit to it: I was being autistic and using my religion as a moral high horse. I shouldn't have done that and deserve to be dunked on for it. Mea culpa, I'm only human. But even with that, that doesn't suddenly make you right about Podesta being a pedophile.
I will continue to hold that Podesta is innocent until proven guilty. You will continue to hold that he's guilty, period. I think you're being overzealous. You think I'm, at best, a hired gun for the Pedo Illuminati.
Out of curiosity: what would it take for you to believe 1. That Podesta isn't a pedophile or 2. That the Pedo Illuminati isn't a thing? (And before you turn this into me denying that child sex trafficking happens, I believe I've laid out what constitutes the Pedo Illuminati conspiracy enough that you can infer what I mean when I say that.)
I don't know podesta is a pedophile, earlier in the thread I even said if I was on a jury right now with only the evidence I know of I would return a not guilty verdict.

I'm saying Podesta has enough questionable shit to warrant some digging into.

I certainly don't think you work for the "Pedo Illuminati", we've been over this already in another thread, so here we go with the disinginuity again. I said you act like a shill, and I'm almost certain nobody is paying you to do so.

I do appreciate you backing off the religion high ground angle, that was very odd, but I have my own autistic moments so fair enough.

I am still actually not sure what you mean by "Washington Pedo Illuminati".

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I get that the Washington Pedo Illuminati is your sacred cow that must never be questioned or treated with anything but the most grave and serious of tones, but do you even remember what site this is? This would be like going into the SJW thread and calling everyone problematic and misogynists.
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But saying "Owning artwork depicting naked children and victims of torture is fucked up, and along with other shit we've heard and seen, clearly bears looking into" isn't. If trump plastered the white house with artwork of naked children, yeah, we should probably shout "PEDO!" at him.

I mean, the position "Innocent until proven guilty" is reasonable, but that's different from "You're crazy to be at all suspicious of anyone not already convicted of the crime they appear to be guilty of". With that standard, nobody would ever be charged with any crime they didn't admit to.

If I end up on a jury, to convict Podesta of raping children, and the only evidence the prosecution has is that he owns weird fucking artwork, I'll vote not guilty. If I were a prosecutor trying to build a case, the fact that the dude owns weird fucking pedophilia artwork would mean I would be smart to look deeper.

I am beginning to think you read none of my replies and filled in your own version of my side of the argument. I dunno. What exactly do you mean by "Washington Pedo Illuminati"?
 
I don't know podesta is a pedophile, earlier in the thread I even said if I was on a jury right now with only the evidence I know of I would return a not guilty verdict.

I'm saying Podesta has enough questionable shit to warrant some digging into.

I certainly don't think you work for the "Pedo Illuminati", we've been over this already in another thread, so here we go with the disinginuity again. I said you act like a shill, and I'm almost certain nobody is paying you to do so.

I do appreciate you backing off the religion high ground angle, that was very odd, but I have my own autistic moments so fair enough.

I am still actually not sure what you mean by "Washington Pedo Illuminati".




I am beginning to think you read none of my replies and filled in your own version of my side of the argument. I dunno. What exactly do you mean by "Washington Pedo Illuminati"?
Fine, I'll take your word for it. I've been busy with IRL things lately. As for what I mean by "Washington Pedo Illuminati", I am talking about the theory that:
-There are large numbers of the elite (>4%) who are either pedophiles, or completely fine with enabling pedophiles.
-These elites actively coordinate with each other, forming a vast network of child sex trafficking.
-These elites actively recruit new members using drugs to lower their inhibitions and then coerce them into having sex with children.
-These elites constantly advertise the locations they use for sex trafficking and their allegiances by slipping coded symbols into mass media and company logos (Such as the famous "blue triangle/pink heart" stuff).
-(weak)These elites actively practice cannibalism or occult rituals that involve child sacrifice.
-(weak) This secret society is exclusively made up of members of the left wing.
-(ancillary) Many or most unsolved cases of missing children are caused by this elite pedophile ring, especially famous cases such as Madeline McCann.
-(ancillary) Anyone who discovers this secret society is targeted by them, and are either drugged into insanity or assassinated.
-(ancillary) This secret society controls the mass media and/or large sections of local, state, and federal law enforcement and uses this influence to squelch any evidence of their misdeeds.
-(weak ancillary) These elites are actively pushing for the normalization of pedophilia through the mass media, with a theoretical end-goal of operating in the open.

Now, I'll admit I am not certain you believe in this, but given your active defense of the whole Pizzagate scenario and its truthers, it leads me to think you believe in most of the items not marked as "weak" or "ancillary".
EDIT: Expanded on an ancillary point that arises a lot in conspiracy groups that believe in "Pedo Illuminati"-type organizations and added a weak ancillary I've frequently observed in relation to Pizzagate in general.
 
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Fine, I'll take your word for it. I've been busy with IRL things lately. As for what I mean by "Washington Pedo Illuminati", I am talking about the theory that:
OK I'll just stick my replies after each item.

-There are large numbers of the elite (>4%) who are either pedophiles, or completely fine with enabling pedophiles.
While I can't possibly quantify the amount, and "the elite" is a bit blurry, sure, that's probably in the ballpark of what I believe.

-These elites actively coordinate with each other, forming a vast network of child sex trafficking.
If they're doing the child sex trafficking I don't see why they wouldn't coordinate. So sure.

-These elites actively recruit new members using drugs to lower their inhibitions and then coerce them into having sex with children.
Hmm, there seem to have been a few suggestions that people were brought to pedo island, gotten drunk, then they hook up with a kid, which maybe they don't know is underage, maybe they do. But now they can't go against the group. So to a point yeah, I'd agree that's part of what goes on. Bringing people in and making them complicit.

-These elites constantly advertise the locations they use for sex trafficking and their allegiances by slipping coded symbols into mass media and company logos (Such as the famous "blue triangle/pink heart" stuff).
This is pretty out there to me. With the crazy shit that is true, I'd not completely dismiss it, but I'm always pretty wary of the idea that secret conspiracies have a weird need to advertise themselves. This seems like a standard conspiracy theory ingredient so it makes me doubt it even more.

-(weak)These elites actively practice cannibalism or occult rituals that involve child sacrifice.
I imagine there are some isolated cases of this kind of extreme craziness, but no, I'd not say the "4% of the elite" identified in your first question are cannibals and occultists.

-(weak) This secret society is exclusively made up of members of the left wing.
Haha, as a partisan hack I'd like to believe that, but no, I don't believe it. I also question how much of that elite is even politically active.

-(ancillary) Many or most unsolved cases of missing children are caused by this elite pedophile ring, especially famous cases such as Madeline McCann.
Many or most? No, I don't buy it. There are some cases? Sure, I mean, the kids have to be coming from somewhere.

-(ancillary) Anyone who discovers this secret society is targeted by them, and are either drugged into insanity or assassinated.
Would seem unlikely given epstein is alive and we're talking about them. That's pretty standard conspiracy theory stuff. I mean, there's some suspicious deaths surrounding the elites, but even if they were murders, how could you say it was specifically about this? But yeah, I believe for example the journalist who "committed suicide" while investigating Hillary Clinton's brother's human trafficking ties was murdered. So I'd have to go on a case by case basis, I'm not gonna say they're murdering swaths of people.

-(ancillary) This secret society controls the mass media and/or large sections of local, state, and federal law enforcement and uses this influence to squelch any evidence of their misdeeds.
The extremely wealthy certainly do have undue influence over media and governance. Completely controls? Doubt it. Probably closer to the kind of "control" that Scientologists have over the IRS, meaning, influence and blackmail, not that they're puppets. Plus the even more basic "control" of "Well I buy a lot of advertising time from your network, so don't run that story about my friend".

-(weak ancillary) These elites are actively pushing for the normalization of pedophilia through the mass media, with a theoretical end-goal of operating in the open.
That's just so vague. There are certainly repeated attempts made over the years to normalize pedophilia, but I can't possibly comment on their origins. Actually, after a bit of thought, I'd imagine part of the draw would be that it's only the "elite" who can get away with it, so they probably don't want everyone to be able to do it, or it's less special for them.

Now, I'll admit I am not certain you believe in this, but given your active defense of the whole Pizzagate scenario and its truthers, it leads me to think you believe in most of the items not marked as "weak" or "ancillary".
EDIT: Expanded on an ancillary point that arises a lot in conspiracy groups that believe in "Pedo Illuminati"-type organizations and added a weak ancillary I've frequently observed in relation to Pizzagate in general.

So your impression that I agree with most of the main items, to some degree, seems accurate. Although in some cases it's more "I wouldn't dismiss it offhand" rather than "I am sure this is the case".
 
OK I'll just stick my replies after each item.

-There are large numbers of the elite (>4%) who are either pedophiles, or completely fine with enabling pedophiles.
While I can't possibly quantify the amount, and "the elite" is a bit blurry, sure, that's probably in the ballpark of what I believe.

-These elites actively coordinate with each other, forming a vast network of child sex trafficking.
If they're doing the child sex trafficking I don't see why they wouldn't coordinate. So sure.

-These elites actively recruit new members using drugs to lower their inhibitions and then coerce them into having sex with children.
Hmm, there seem to have been a few suggestions that people were brought to pedo island, gotten drunk, then they hook up with a kid, which maybe they don't know is underage, maybe they do. But now they can't go against the group. So to a point yeah, I'd agree that's part of what goes on. Bringing people in and making them complicit.

-These elites constantly advertise the locations they use for sex trafficking and their allegiances by slipping coded symbols into mass media and company logos (Such as the famous "blue triangle/pink heart" stuff).
This is pretty out there to me. With the crazy shit that is true, I'd not completely dismiss it, but I'm always pretty wary of the idea that secret conspiracies have a weird need to advertise themselves. This seems like a standard conspiracy theory ingredient so it makes me doubt it even more.

-(weak)These elites actively practice cannibalism or occult rituals that involve child sacrifice.
I imagine there are some isolated cases of this kind of extreme craziness, but no, I'd not say the "4% of the elite" identified in your first question are cannibals and occultists.

-(weak) This secret society is exclusively made up of members of the left wing.
Haha, as a partisan hack I'd like to believe that, but no, I don't believe it. I also question how much of that elite is even politically active.

-(ancillary) Many or most unsolved cases of missing children are caused by this elite pedophile ring, especially famous cases such as Madeline McCann.
Many or most? No, I don't buy it. There are some cases? Sure, I mean, the kids have to be coming from somewhere.

-(ancillary) Anyone who discovers this secret society is targeted by them, and are either drugged into insanity or assassinated.
Would seem unlikely given epstein is alive and we're talking about them. That's pretty standard conspiracy theory stuff. I mean, there's some suspicious deaths surrounding the elites, but even if they were murders, how could you say it was specifically about this? But yeah, I believe for example the journalist who "committed suicide" while investigating Hillary Clinton's brother's human trafficking ties was murdered. So I'd have to go on a case by case basis, I'm not gonna say they're murdering swaths of people.

-(ancillary) This secret society controls the mass media and/or large sections of local, state, and federal law enforcement and uses this influence to squelch any evidence of their misdeeds.
The extremely wealthy certainly do have undue influence over media and governance. Completely controls? Doubt it. Probably closer to the kind of "control" that Scientologists have over the IRS, meaning, influence and blackmail, not that they're puppets. Plus the even more basic "control" of "Well I buy a lot of advertising time from your network, so don't run that story about my friend".

-(weak ancillary) These elites are actively pushing for the normalization of pedophilia through the mass media, with a theoretical end-goal of operating in the open.
That's just so vague. There are certainly repeated attempts made over the years to normalize pedophilia, but I can't possibly comment on their origins. Actually, after a bit of thought, I'd imagine part of the draw would be that it's only the "elite" who can get away with it, so they probably don't want everyone to be able to do it, or it's less special for them.



So your impression that I agree with most of the main items, to some degree, seems accurate. Although in some cases it's more "I wouldn't dismiss it offhand" rather than "I am sure this is the case".
I feel that the parts you agree with, for my half, are the most reasonable elements (While I would put the actual number lower, I'm perfectly willing to believe that the elite are behind a significant amount of child sex trafficking myself) that don't verge into Pedoluminati territory (the active recruitment and secret coded messages are key elements)- which makes your defense of Pizzagate pretty odd, as Pizzagate banks really heavily on the weak and ancillary points I put up there (which is why I labeled them as "weak": they're more elements that apply to specific conspiracies.) Remember when that crazy tried to stick up Comet Ping-Pong and the true believers were convinced it was all a psyop by the Pedoluminati to justify putting Qheads in camps because clearly none of these people yelling about how CPP needed to be destroyed would actually act on it?

If you're interested in making sure that Epstein and the like are brought to justice, Pizzagate is pretty much the worst ally you could make: it'd be like teaming up with NWO conspiracy theorists to try and address the issue of government corruption.
 
I feel that the parts you agree with, for my half, are the most reasonable elements (While I would put the actual number lower, I'm perfectly willing to believe that the elite are behind a significant amount of child sex trafficking myself) that don't verge into Pedoluminati territory (the active recruitment and secret coded messages are key elements)- which makes your defense of Pizzagate pretty odd, as Pizzagate banks really heavily on the weak and ancillary points I put up there (which is why I labeled them as "weak": they're more elements that apply to specific conspiracies.) Remember when that crazy tried to stick up Comet Ping-Pong and the true believers were convinced it was all a psyop by the Pedoluminati to justify putting Qheads in camps because clearly none of these people yelling about how CPP needed to be destroyed would actually act on it?

If you're interested in making sure that Epstein and the like are brought to justice, Pizzagate is pretty much the worst ally you could make: it'd be like teaming up with NWO conspiracy theorists to try and address the issue of government corruption.
Ally? Like I said before, I've never been to a pizzagate subreddit. My complaint was the outright dismissal of anything connected to pizzagate, and now you've kinda agreed with lots of what I said. Significant quantities of "the elite" are involved in pedophilia, they cover for one another. We apparently agree on this.

I honestly have very little control over what happens to Epstein and crew. My interests lie in preventing interesting points from being outright dismissed due to their connection due to the fact that some crazy people also believe it. And being a contrarian devil's advocate on the internet. And I believe I've established I'm a wee bit sensitive about that kind of soft censorship.

When people try to derail talk about epstein with the crazy shit they should get smacked too.
 
Ally? Like I said before, I've never been to a pizzagate subreddit. My complaint was the outright dismissal of anything connected to pizzagate, and now you've kinda agreed with lots of what I said. Significant quantities of "the elite" are involved in pedophilia, they cover for one another. We apparently agree on this.

I honestly have very little control over what happens to Epstein and crew. My interests lie in preventing interesting points from being outright dismissed due to their connection due to the fact that some crazy people also believe it. And being a contrarian devil's advocate on the internet. And I believe I've established I'm a wee bit sensitive about that kind of soft censorship.

When people try to derail talk about epstein with the crazy shit they should get smacked too.
So, bringing this around full circle, can we agree that you coming in here and derailing the thread for three pages over how Epstein proves that all the people in this thread are just a circlejerk triggered and obsessed with owning the cons was a bad idea?
 
So, bringing this around full circle, can we agree that you coming in here and derailing the thread for three pages over how Epstein proves that all the people in this thread are just a circlejerk triggered and obsessed with owning the cons was a bad idea?
Lol. You have a real gift for appearing reasonable then making a bullshit conclusion unrelated to the discussion.

No, we don't agree on that, Mr. Wannabe narrative stylist.
 
Lol. You have a real gift for appearing reasonable then making a bullshit conclusion unrelated to the discussion.

No, we don't agree on that, Mr. Wannabe narrative stylist.
Fine, since you don't seem to understand any implicit reasoning, let me explicate.
This is the post that started everything:
So are you guys just gonna sit here jerking each other off about those zany conspiracy theorists while you carefully ignore the epstien podesta shit happening right out in the open now?

I predict in 2 years this threads devolves into "Well yeah, pretty much the whole thing was true, but those pictures of the kids being murdered was taken on a tuesday evening, not afternoon. HAHAHA BTFO conspiritards!"

How are you not all supremely embarrassed now that the epstein shit is out? You morons were covering for him and podesta, and you still are, to pwn some mentally ill weirdos obsessed with a pizza shop.

But yeah, it's all crazy right wing conspiracy theorists, there's definitely not a network of human trafficking and pedophiles. Except trump, though, he definitely was at epstein island (which is just a crazy conspiracy theory!) having sex with all the underage girls who don't exist except when he raped them.

@Senior Lexmechanic Are you a professional narrative designer or do you just do that for fun?
You came into this thread saying, in your words, not mine, that the current Epstein scandal validates the beliefs of Pizzagaters, and that Pizzagate is right. We have a slapfight over this. When we both calm down, I ask you about your specific beliefs. You state that you believe that there are likely wealthy pedophiles, and that these wealthy pedophiles likely network with each other, but then reject every other core element of Pizzagate, such as the occultism, the coded symbols, the conveniently monopolar political allegiance, not to mention the total utter bugfuck shit like the Podestas personally abducting Madeline McCann, implanted personalities, and how this all ties back to the NWO/Satanism/Illuminati power axis. With this, it's pretty clear that you legitimately don't believe in Pizzagate yourself, and pretty clearly find many of its beliefs ridiculous. So it would seem to me that entering this thread in defense of Pizzagaters was likely not a good idea, especially if you want pedophiles among the wealthy to face justice.

Given that you disagree, this leads me to a number of possible conclusions:
- You're reflexively defending your position due to the sunk-cost fallacy, much like you accused people in this very thread of doing.
- You actually believe in most of Pizzagate, and simply deny you do when asked directly because you're aware that many of the Pizzagate conspiracy elements sound bugfuck when spoken aloud to those who don't already believe them.
- You're engaging in Arguments as Soldiers, where even the most deranged arguments that are loosely on your "side" must be defended at all costs, because to not defend them is seen as a loss to the enemy.
- You're trolling.

I'm not accusing you of any of these things: I'm not a mind-reader, and I'll be the first to admit my understanding of people is often faulty. If you could explain why you think this thread's just a circlejerk and the Pizzagaters are vindicated by Epstein, please do so.
 
Disingenuous framing of someone else's arguments continues
Yeah, that's more of what I keep saying you do. Fun times.

Anyway the people who can take a little ribbing without utterly sperging out have been politely hinting they'd like to continue laughing, so let's just stop this here. Besides I wouldn't want to make you commit any more sins, and weigh down your christian soul.
 
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Except it's not, dummy. The swirl does not resemble at all the ones shown in your bing search, and the closest one is just a plain triangle with many triangles inside. Cross-referencing it with the BLogo produces a much closer result. If you want to show which of these mayan patterns actually fit the image then go ahead. You shouldn't call someone a brainlet when you're acting like one yourself.
 
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Except it's not, dummy. The swirl does not resemble at all the ones shown in your bing search, and the closest one is just a plain triangle with many triangles inside. Cross-referencing it with the BLogo produces a much closer result. If you want to show which of these mayan patterns actually fit the image then go ahead. You shouldn't call someone a brainlet when you're acting like one yourself.

Peak autism.
 
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Except it's not, dummy. The swirl does not resemble at all the ones shown in your bing search, and the closest one is just a plain triangle with many triangles inside. Cross-referencing it with the BLogo produces a much closer result. If you want to show which of these mayan patterns actually fit the image then go ahead. You shouldn't call someone a brainlet when you're acting like one yourself.
Peak autism is when you see a triangle you think it means people wanting to fuck kids instead of the person maybe just trying thier hand in design
 
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Except it's not, dummy. The swirl does not resemble at all the ones shown in your bing search, and the closest one is just a plain triangle with many triangles inside. Cross-referencing it with the BLogo produces a much closer result. If you want to show which of these mayan patterns actually fit the image then go ahead. You shouldn't call someone a brainlet when you're acting like one yourself.
Oof! You sure showed me! I was pointing out how triangles and repeated patterns was used to make the title look more Aztec ruiny but because I didn't use an example that had the triangle spiral, that means my conclusion is wrong. If you're going to be a pedantic sperg about it, the triangles on the FBI document have the same orientation while the ones in the Dora poster reverses. I'm sure there's a fancy term for it but I can't be assed to find it right now.
 
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Oof! You sure showed me! I was pointing out how triangles and repeated patterns was used to make the title look more Aztec ruiny but because I didn't use an example that had the triangle spiral, that means my conclusion is wrong. If you're going to be a pedantic sperg about it, the triangles on the FBI document have the same orientation while the ones in the Dora poster reverses. I'm sure there's a fancy term for it but I can't be assed to find it right now.
But the one in the FBI image and the dora image are very similar, just with a different orientation. You can't claim they are more Aztec ruiny when they don't resemble much of it at all. The French one does have more aztec/mayan influences, but it's been swapped in the USA for just a swirling triangle that's not really creative. Don't see how I'm being a pedantic sperg when they're pretty different.
You need to have a source of the image when you claim it has aztec/mayan sources when the images don't appear to resemble much of it at all. If there is one that does look like this and is mayan/aztec, I'd be more willing to believe in it. I think it's unlikely the artist/marketing team was hoodwinked to include this image when there's going to be controversy kicked up around it. PR optics are important.
Here's a clearer image. It does look a bit different, I admit, with the little pointed part of it sticking out.
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