Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Shadfan666xxx000]

I'm not the least bit surprised. I've been speculating that this was the case for ages now, and I've begun seeing others think the same thing after Galaxy's Edge opened up. But the most obvious giveaway for me was the recent movie festival thing. The fucking hosts had to go directly to Lucas himself to get permission to use the unedited OT while Disney had no control over the matter, and George wouldn't be so gullible as to give Disney complete control over his exceptional brain baby. I've said this before, but since Day 1 its felt like Disney only rented the franchise from George rather than officially buy it and I can't wait till this supposed rumor turns out to be real and ends up on the newsfronts.

Sad part is though, here we are exposing Disney and nu-Lucasfilm's faults, shortcomings and hypocrisies yet by December this thread will probably be filled with newfags or irregulars who never bothered to read any of the controversial shit we've been posting and will just spend most of the time shilling for IX or trying to adopt a "fence sitting" stance that's not actually neutral and is just subtle Disney shilling and refuse to believe us when we talk about shit we've posted or confirmed before... And it gets even sadder when I realize that this thread probably has more info and leaks about SW than most places online...

Not with bookmarks.

 

[Creep3r]

Here's today's shitty news...

So John Williams' brother spoke about the music in the film in a video and he unintentionally revealed that IX will be around 2 hours and 15 minutes long.

Also in another vain attempt to attract children to the franchise, Lucasfilm has asked Jeffrey Brown to write a book to make their OCs more likeable.

All your favorites are here! And remember how great they all got along and how much time all of them spent on screen togeth- oh wait... Also why the fuck is Holdo there? Why is Lucasfilm so desperate to make her the next beloved character by putting her in every new piece of media? She's fucking dead and she was more of a hindrance/antagonist if anything.

Other than that I got no more news and spoilers to share other than a bunch of pointless droid names at Galaxy's Edge. But I do have something worth noting that I was recently told about... For those of you who might not remember who Jake Lunt Davies is, he's the new creature, ship and droid designer for Disney Wars and the monster responsible for BB-8, the Porgs, the casino aliens, the giant penis worm lady and so many other generic scifi horrors. Anyway, I recently found out the possible reason why there are no familiar aliens or droids in Star Wars anymore other than donut steals. Apparently Jake designs his creatures with emphasis on "realism" in other words some of the new aliens in the movies are actually his attempts at updating old aliens or simply wanting to do them his own way. For example:

This shitty not-Ithorian knockoff was called an "Ottegan" by Pablo Hidalgo but the original design for it, promotional cards and even the 3D models that Jake offered to EA for Battlefront had it labeled "Ithorian" (and "Ithorian Theologian") because a human mouth made more sense apparently. Its the same with so many other aliens, like the fat slug guys in the casino which are actually his attempt at "updating" hutts and the "bravaisians" are actually his attempt at "fixing" the Kubaz species. Because of this, I also found out why nu-Lucasfilm and Matt Martin are so hesitant to re-introduce Bothans, and its because Jake wanted to make his own version of Bothans. Remember those earless horse-dog guys from TFA and TLJ? Like the one supreme chancellor who got blown up in TFA? Well that's what a Bothan is now or at least Jake wanted them to be.

Hence why original Bothans no longer appear explicitly or aren't outright named (except one briefly seen in Filoni's Resistance cartoon, but Matt "I wish I were trans" Martin said those shouldn't be considered Bothans until publicly stated as otherwise). Pablo Hidalgo then stepped in and just called them Tarsunts to avoid trouble, which was the name of a Bothan territory in the old EU. Tarsunts is now the name they use in guides and toys but there's rumors going around that this might just be another name for Bothans to them, like Tusken Raiders and Sand People which they plan to reveal in the future, or at least planned to. Its also been said that their original also called them Bothans but I haven't been able to verify it. The reason Jake is probably encouraged to create like this (or is probably forced to) is possibly due to that KK or some higher ups want to replace aliens with donut steals so as not to give George any royalties, which as we've been discussing seems to likely be the case especially with the abandonment of anything pre-Disney including the OT. This is further noted in how there are no more mainline (orange) Mon Calamari in the films or Disney EU media outside of Ackbar (whose been killed) and some Mon Calamari cyborg with Grievous's body I talked about before, and with RO instead having albino variants and a blue variant.

So in short, the loss of old aliens seems to be either due to an artist's ego or due to Lucasfilm not wanting to give George any money for using his aliens, or maybe its both.

On another note, I've also been told that Disney didn't just kill familiar aliens via zombie ticks and viruses (although they still contributed plenty), but that in the new comics and novels its been revealed that the Galactic Empire (and by extension the First Order) had been committing attacks and mass genocide efforts (or at least have been trying to) against countless alien worlds as part of the human supremacy movement, causing many of the familiar aliens to become endangered or go extinct. The only ones I personally know of are the genocide of the Geonosians (bugmen from the prequels), an attempted bombing against the Twi'leks by the Empire and later an assault by the First Order, the genocide of the Lasats (aliens based on Chewbacca's earliest concept art), some brown skinned humanoid red heads with gold eyes who were genocided by Kylo Ren during a tantrum and finally Hutts who (although they were not technically massacred) lost all their influence and power after ROTJ with their cartels becoming replaced by Nikto cartels according to the Bloodline novel (I guess this debunks the Hutts return in IX since every new novel is 100% canon with the films...). There's also mentions of genocides and massacres in random media but not explicit as far as I know, but this is most likely nu-Lucasfilm's way of slowly getting rid of old aliens. Its made all the more blatant by how new aliens that never appeared before like the Not-Bothans above and these ugly fuckers are now called the most common and most widespread species in the galaxy who are just as numerous as humans despite never appearing before.

 

[millais]

Why is the production and lead-up of IX so "leaky" compared to the previous sequel movies? The whole plot and many of the subplots are laid out before us in detail, and it's still many months until theatrical release.

 

[Adamska]

Why is the production and lead-up of IX so "leaky" compared to the previous sequel movies? The whole plot and many of the subplots are laid out before us in detail, and it's still many months until theatrical release.

It's probably because the lower down people just stopped having pride in their work. If I knew that the film was in trouble and going to fail expectations, I'd probably be bitter enough to spoil things if I could too.

And I am really beginning to suspect that yes, Disney did only rent Star Wars and are doing this to more solidly own it and avoid royalties; Bad Reboot did this shit with Star Trek for example to duck out of royalties, and JJ is a greedy fuck in that way. The redesigns, the forced murder and removal of characters to replace them with pastiches? All of that is signs that the company doesn't actually fucking own the rights, and only has rented the IP.

Though why on earth they're bothering with aliens when the higher ups (especially the mongoloid who is still trying to push Porgs) hate them and don't want them is pretty evident. There should be no reason to do this, unless they know on some level that aliens are a big element in the setting and just want to burn it down anyway like a heroin addict that relapses.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Why is the production and lead-up of IX so "leaky" compared to the previous sequel movies? The whole plot and many of the subplots are laid out before us in detail, and it's still many months until theatrical release.

Eh, it seems that TFA was the leakest of the bunch....

 

[Jub-Jub]

GoT is fucking dead as dogshit after Season 8. That IP is fucked.

Visual mediums I'd agree with. If the fat lazy fuck ever finishes the next book(s) I think they'll sell gangbusters as everybody wants a proper ending told competently and not the abortion we got for the past few years.

Also in another vain attempt to attract children to the franchise, Lucasfilm has asked Jeffrey Brown to write a book to make their OCs more likeable.

Is their any media that doesn't have porgs in that stupid T-pose?

in the new comics and novels its been revealed that the Galactic Empire (and by extension the First Order) had been committing attacks and mass genocide efforts (or at least have been trying to) against countless alien worlds as part of the human supremacy movement, causing many of the familiar aliens to become endangered or go extinct.

Which doesn't mesh with the mainline movies. The rebels/resistance actively ignore warnings about the GE/FO and decommission any sort of army while known, liked species with FTL travel are being genocided. I know the EU was considered a mess (although i think series / product lines were consistent), but one of the reasons Disney nuked the EU was about starting over to have a coherent narrative.

 

[Phanto]

Disney buying Star Wars was a mistake.

Disney Can No Longer Deny That 'Star Wars' is a Damaged Franchise

A billion dollar Star Wars theme park expansion being ridiculed as a “flop” by the media. A steep decline in Star Wars merchandise sales that even toy manufacturer Hasbro seemingly blames Disney for. The last theatrical Star Wars film, Solo: A Star Wars Story, bombing at the box office. And a...

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[Creep3r]

Is their any media that doesn't have porgs in that stupid T-pose?

It practically seems mandatory by this point.

Also for the love of St. Pete Disney stop trying to shamelessly use Chewbacca to sell these things and force people to like them. Mayhew's character deserved better.

Which doesn't mesh with the mainline movies. The rebels/resistance actively ignore warnings about the GE/FO and decommission any sort of army while known, liked species with FTL travel are being genocided.

They imply this shit was happening not just after the PT but even during the OT and after it, so this pretty much makes Luke and the gang's efforts completely worthless, especially since not only did the Empire cause irreversible damage to dozens of worlds but the FO somehow did even more harm to the galaxy than the Empire despite not even being a galaxy-wide government whilst the New Republic devolved into an even less stable and more corrupt version of the one from the PT. If the Republic is a lost cause, what are Disney's heroes even fighting for when nothing fucking works?

was about starting over to have a coherent narrative.

We know now that there was never an attempt to fix anything or make anything good. They just wanted their own donut steals for max profits regardless if it was shittier or not, which it is while killing off anything remotely good like Filoni Wars, 1313 and Dark Horse. Disney's shit makes me actually miss the fucking Vong of all things. This is what they've forced me to.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Visual mediums I'd agree with. If the fat lazy fuck ever finishes the next book(s) I think they'll sell gangbusters as everybody wants a proper ending told competently and not the abortion we got for the past few years.

The problem is he writes on a piece of shit decaying machine that probably takes 30 years to load and you have to basically use a programming language for indents and shit because it has no GUI or even a spellcheck. Writers are spergs when it comes to that, but Martin is the worst I've seen because its not really quirky, just horribly fucking inefficient. So combine that with his miserably slow writing pace, good luck.

Disney buying Star Wars was a mistake.

Disney Can No Longer Deny That 'Star Wars' is a Damaged Franchise

A billion dollar Star Wars theme park expansion being ridiculed as a “flop” by the media. A steep decline in Star Wars merchandise sales that even toy manufacturer Hasbro seemingly blames Disney for. The last theatrical Star Wars film, Solo: A Star Wars Story, bombing at the box office. And a...

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Technically, the hilarious thing is that we don't even KNOW if Disney bought Star Wars. We only know for a fact that its free to make new stuff. The EU was scrapped not because Disney didn't want it, they didn't want to pay for it. Then these cheap fucks wokenized it by murdering every character. Which basically Lucas warned them about.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

The problem is he writes on a piece of shit decaying machine that probably takes 30 years to load and you have to basically use a programming language for indents and shit because it has no GUI or even a spellcheck. Writers are spergs when it comes to that, but Martin is the worst I've seen because its not really quirky, just horribly fucking inefficient. So combine that with his miserably slow writing pace, good luck.

Where there's a will, there's a way. Dickens wrote this shit by the ream back when you had to do it with paper and ink and have it set in movable type. Martin could just do everything as a raw .txt file and hand it to his editors to do the yeoman's work of formatting, and unless he's a lot quirkier than I remember, nobody would be able to tell the difference.

The catch being, of course, that he does have to actually do it.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Sure that tree needed some heavy pruning, but there was a lot of good stuff in there, Thrawn included.

I said it before: Thrawn Trilogy. Shoot it like Tarantino with the old characters retelling the narrative and cast new actors.

Is it even possible to make a Thrawn Trilogy now under Disney canon without doing something messed up to introduce the character to a non-Rebellion era?

Spoiler: Potential spoilers for anyone that didnt watch Rebels

Thrawn was killed off in Rebels thanks to space whales capable of lightspeed flight .

I still recall when people first started the #GetThrawnIn campain on social media to put Thrawn in Rebels. I couldn't help thinking Be careful what you ask for, folks. Disney is liable to ruin his character. Almost right away, people disliked the animation of Thrawns eyes. I'm pretty sure they were up in arms to see their beloved Thrawn be defeated by Ezra (aka Space Aladdin) with flying space whales.

If it wasn't for what's in the above spoiler, the EU version of Thrawn could have made a good ST-era villain in the hands of anyone but Disney.

I fucking hate the way Kennedy and Disney have handled this mess so far. But, the one thing I agree with them on: they need to eventually do their own thing with the franchise...

I think there would be few fans that would want to see Luke or other OT characters starring indefinitely on the silver screen. So, I agree with you with this point.

What most people seem to have taken issue with is how Disney chose to go off on its own in the sequels they've given us. They could have found a way to retire the OT characters with dignity or have them die an honorable or warriors death to ensure they didn't upstage the new characters. Instead, Disney stripped characters such as Luke and Han of all their likeable traits and killed them off or otherwise wrote them out as coldly as possible.

As others suggested, Disney also had the option of releasing a trilogy so far in the past or future that the OT characters wouldn't be around, thus paving the way for a fresh crop of heroes, enemies, wildcards, and challenges to be written about and developed. If the new films work, great! If not, the damage can be localized to that era without it affecting the characters most fans grew up enjoying while also allowing Disney to try again with one or more films in another era different than the one in which they just wrote.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Lol.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Is it even possible to make a Thrawn Trilogy now under Disney canon without doing something messed up to introduce the character to a non-Rebellion era?

Spoiler: Potential spoilers for anyone that didnt watch Rebels

Thrawn was killed off in Rebels thanks to space whales capable of lightspeed flight .

I still recall when people first started the #GetThrawnIn campain on social media to put Thrawn in Rebels. I couldn't help thinking Be careful what you ask for, folks. Disney is liable to ruin his character. Almost right away, people disliked the animation of Thrawns eyes. I'm pretty sure they were up in arms to see their beloved Thrawn be defeated by Ezra (aka Space Aladdin) with flying space whales.

If it wasn't for what's in the above spoiler, the EU version of Thrawn could have made a good ST-era villain in the hands of anyone but Disney.



I think there would be few fans that would want to see Luke or other OT characters starring indefinitely on the silver screen. So, I agree with you with this point.

What most people seem to have taken issue with is how Disney chose to go off on its own in the sequels they've given us. They could have found a way to retire the OT characters with dignity or have them die an honorable or warriors death to ensure they didn't upstage the new characters. Instead, Disney stripped characters such as Luke and Han of all their likeable traits and killed them off or otherwise wrote them out as coldly as possible.

As others suggested, Disney also had the option of releasing a trilogy so far in the past or future that the OT characters wouldn't be around, thus paving the way for a fresh crop of heroes, enemies, wildcards, and challenges to be written about and developed. If the new films work, great! If not, the damage can be localized to that era without it affecting the characters most fans grew up enjoying while also allowing Disney to try again with one or more films in another era different than the one in which they just wrote.

Oh, I completely agree. Disney may have the right long term goal, but they've executed it so poorily...

Allow me to use an analogy: Disney Star Wars is a clown juggling eggs in front of children...

TFA is the clown opening his egg juggling act, the children are mildly amused...

Rogue One shows clown's routine is still entertaining the kids(moreso the 'special' ones)but the act is becoming stale. The clown needs to add some variety...

TLJ represents the clown deciding to introduce a hand grenade to the juggling routine. But, the pin falls out and the grenade explodes in his hand. Blood and egg shells spray the kids. They're horrified...

Solo is the clown, fighting through tears and agony, juggling with his one good hand. But, the children begin fleeing out of the room in terror...

TROS is the clown screaming at the kids to come back. In desperation, the clown decides to juggle a knife. But, with his coordination hampered, the clown ends up stabbing himself in the head...

The parents(Lucas)looks at the dead clown in bewilderment...

"You could have just made balloon animals"

 

[Secret Asshole]

Lol.
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Can't wait until TLJ is completely retconned and these faggots have to defend it

 

[Oaat]

>Nazi analogues genocide inferior alien races out of sight forever
based and diversitypilled

 

[HeyYou]

I don't think it would be dramatically different enough to work anyways. Outside of the execution, the general skeleton of Lucas's treatments are still apparent(I think)

If the time travel retcon thing happens: there may be a double dip within the new time frame of 7-9. But, I doubt it will have anything to do with Skywalkers going forward. I think their story is told and would seem (even more)pointless...

I think Disney is just going to go off and do whatever with new characters. Honestly, I think thats for the best. Perhaps, they could repurpose Thrawn as an antagonist for these new set of characters.

The franchise desperatly needs to get away from Skywalkers. Their involvement creates fan expectations of narrative rhythmic "poetry", and whatever bullshit tired cliches that have plagued the brand.

Don't believe me? Go look at some fan boards and see exceptional gay arguments that root themselves in what came before....

I fucking hate the way Kennedy and Disney have handled this mess so far. But, the one thing I agree with them on: they need to eventually do their own thing with the franchise...

The big miscalculation I think they made: bringing back the OT characters. Oh sure, it made them bank for TFA. But, it was "fools gold", and ended up pissing off the fanbase once they mishandled Luke....

Lucas getting back Star Wars or whatever, isn't going to fix this shit. Disney needs to shoot Kennedy out of a cannon, and find a creative studio president(who has genuine love for the series). That person can facilitate some sort of proper game plan for the franchise going forward....

After seeing all of Disney's terrible shit, I actually want Jedi and the Skywalkers back in the forefront. I don't know how, but Disney's attempts at making the galaxy "larger" really just makes me nostalgic for the days that the galaxy actually was large but the Skywalkers and Solos were always saving it.

Most of the books handled the galaxy's perception of the Jedi and Luke extremely well, the dumb line that TLJ is the first to deal with that is laughable.

 

[Uranus Pink]

>Nazi analogues genocide inferior alien races out of sight forever
based and diversitypilled

Still if Disney wants to go down that road than don't be a pussy and have it done on screen.

 

[Wyzzerd]

>Nazi analogues genocide inferior alien races out of sight forever
based and diversitypilled

I love it. Everytime they try to explain away something they always make it way worse than if they just said nothing.

An easy answer to the alien question would be that these movies happen in an never before seen area of the galaxy and the old aliens just don't hang out in this section much. It's not a great answer, but it's far better than having to kill them all off through plague and genocide making the new republic look like an abject failure.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Which in the old EU was completely plausible and humans were one of the handful of species that was simply everywhere in the galaxy.

 

[Creep3r]

Apparently this whole royalties thing is getting around fast.

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Have a fun picture among all the gloom. Despite Disney's best efforts they can't kill fans love of the OT.

I might as well post some good shit myself to lighten things up too.