Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[ManateeHunter]

If the ISWV youtube exceptional individuals were of any use they'd be using this dead time to get the opinion of the Nips, but they won't because that requires work and would fill up more than 10 minutes of a video, and only Hero Hei actually has an interest in anime.

I don't think Toei would be blabbing their backstage affairs to anyone asking. Remember, Toei only owns the rights to Dragon Ball, not Funimation itself (which is owned by Sony). The higherups at Toei may be wary of word breaking out about their opinions on the Vic situation, and it may even impact the lawsuit in some way.
I also imagine Ty would DEFINITELY have already been in touch with Toei, and they (or Toei's own corporate lawyer squad) would have advised anyone involved to keep their mouths shut until everything is resolved. Remember, we are dealing with (possibly) reasonable people here, not the brainless KV Twitter kabal.

 

[Reverend]

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But hey, maybe Sony will start cleaning house with Marchi and Rial getting cut first.

You don't fire the talent, you fire the people that HIRED/MANAGED the talent. Because the talent keeps your money flowing in, you can swap management heads around without disrupting your bottom line. The only people that Sony will demand to be purged is upper management in Funimation. That's where it will start. Bonus Points if they cut on the VA's if/only if they already have replacements. Sony only gives a shit about what happens to their bottom line and what they have to report to share holders.

When Funimation loses their lawsuits the only line that will be uttered about this on the quarterly reports were "We had lower than expected revenue in our animation distribution subsidiares this caused a reorganization of said activities with a restructuring of management to align with our greater goals. Onto our Walkman brand..."

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[Ponderous Pillock]

I don't think Toei would be blabbing their backstage affairs to anyone asking. Remember, Toei only owns the rights to Dragon Ball, not Funimation itself (which is owned by Sony). The higherups at Toei may be wary of word breaking out about their opinions on the Vic situation, and it may even impact the lawsuit in some way.
I also imagine Ty would DEFINITELY have already been in touch with Toei, and they (or Toei's own corporate lawyer squad) would have advised anyone involved to keep their mouths shut until everything is resolved. Remember, we are dealing with (possibly) reasonable people here, not the brainless KV Twitter kabal.

Well, you're not. You're dealing with ruthless corporate overlords in the case of Toei. They withdrew their VA/Emissary from Kamehacon as the drama rolled on and built up.

Toei will protect Toei at all costs.

 

[ShaggyDawg]

You don't fire the talent, you fire the people that HIRED/MANAGED the talent. Because the talent keeps your money flowing in

They might fire the talent too. What happens in the event that said talent still causes problems even with the new scouts/managers? Most managers will advise their clients on how to behave but there comes a point where they just have to go along with what the talents tells them or wants to do lest they fired and replaced with someone who would be more complacent with the clients demands.

Clean house. From the people who managed them to the talent themselves. It's not difficult to find a new VA to replace another (Monica is the 5th or 6th bulma for crying out loud, as is schemmel to goku). It happens all the time and there are people who can do a better job at it who are just waiting and begging for a chance to prove themselves.

 

[Allanon]

I think going hardcore, as deep into the lawsuit as possible is what's best for Vic, short of settlements that ensure he keeps getting roles (since as people have pointed out they could just 'not contract him in the future', he'd need a long-lasting contract that ensured he continued to get roles) but the embarrassingly steep price Vic will demand for settlement (demanding apologies and retractions and whatever else) will prevent these people from making the smart, least damaging choice.

If they settle and retract, people can say 'well, they were forced to lie, and this proves women should be afraid to come forward, because Vic had endless money and they couldn't afford the lawsuit (because they're all stupid)'. I mean, it will absolutely help with the normies and business, sure, but the more hardcore base will just see him as having bullied them into submission. If instead they fight and proof comes out that they're lying conspirators, and a jury looks at it and says 'you're miserable lying conspirators and honestly we doubt he ever did anything', it becomes harder for that base to excuse, and therefore the base gets smaller. Of course some will, because their feelings don't care about facts, but material facts that can be pointed to hold up better - especially over time - than spoken words.

So really, if they wanted to mitigate the damage and have the best opportunity to damage his career permanently/possibly boot him later, they'd settle quick and easy in exchange for not revealing their secrets. But they won't. Because they don't want to be humiliated.

 

[Reverend]

Toei will protect Toei at all costs.

As any profit hungry corporation should at the behest of their shareholders and their own jobs. Anything less and their heads will be on the chopping block as well.

To quote an award winning laureate poet: "If it don't make dollars then it don't make sense."

 

[ManateeHunter]

Well, you're not. You're dealing with ruthless corporate overlords in the case of Toei. They withdrew their VA/Emissary from Kamehacon as the drama rolled on and built up.

Toei will protect Toei at all costs.

Point taken. But still, they're not vindictive knuckleheads, so they'll probably "execute" the idiots over at Funi silently, and not parade the corpses around on social media.

 

[Dumpster dived waifu]

Point taken. But still, they're not vindictive knuckleheads, so they'll probably "execute" the idiots over at Funi silently, and not parade the corpses around on social media.

If anything does happen, it wont even be "execs fired at funimation following the vic lawsuit", itll be "execs step down at funimation following vic lawsuit which might be related".

 

[MildlyAmused]

I've wondered too about the catalyst for it all after all these years. My theory, which is useless really as I could never get into the minds of some of the players in this stupid game, is like another user stated...hive mentality. I believe SOME of the stories being told happened with Vic over the years. I also believe they were fluffed and exaggerated to make the professional victims get their rush from the empathy it generated. I believe the majority entered into situations (like visiting hotel rooms alone) knowing and being ok with what might ensue and then either in the moment regretted it and changed their mind, or later became sucked into the hive. All of the people involved are actors or involved in the acting community in some way. They thrive on drama and storytelling. They also thrive on being victims. I believe if Hanleia hadn't tweeted....or Marzgurl hadn't pushed her own "well how come if Vic hits on every woman he never hit on ugly ol' me" agenda...none of this would've happened. I can't even remember now the timeline but any woman whom Vic even brushed elbows with when passing then got engulfed in the excitement of it all and padded their story. I think their reasons are much like kids making up stories to be accepted by their peers/popular group. The nerdy weebs thought they could hang with the "cool girls" like Monica/Dominque/Jamie. The unforgotten thought they could get a few minutes of fame. And the VAs thought they could catapult their own careers but getting rid of the top dog...possibly even stealing some of his fans in the process.

I've seen it at my own workplace (which is polar opposite of this situation) and although not sexual, was labelled as harassment in the workplace. Long story short....annoying guy gets extra shifts because he's a good worker that won't fuck the dog on company time. Popular girl gets pissy and confronts him aggressively although he isn't responsible for being offered these shifts, he just accepted them. When he finally has enough and puts her in her place she runs to circle of other popular coworkers and word spreads about how garbage this guy is. Everyone suddenly has a story that with a bit of tweaking can sound like harassment and suddenly a flurry of complaints are lodged against him and he gets called in and has a verbal warning strike on his record. As soon as I saw this Vic situation I immediately thought of this guy at work and how fucking scarily similar it all is. Luckily my coworker didn't have his life torn out from under him.....but if he so much as farts in her general vicinity he may.

People are trash.

 

[FailedStudentOfTheKarmaSu]

I feel like people are placing to much weight on the personal motives of the accusers and not enough on the bigger problem.
Don't get me wrong, I have no doubt that a hand full of people involved did have direct, personal reasons for wanting Vic gone.
But I keep seeing you guys ask "but why did she turn on him? When? Was it always fake?" etc..

The real issue here is the witch hunt/mob mentality. It has become trendy to be a victim. People are seeing these women in the media hailed as hero's, and being told that if you just look hard enough, your a victim too. We're told that we're all oppressed, and victimized, and that if we don't feel that way, then we haven't looked hard enough.

Now your a weak minded idiot, and (being human) you want to be a part of the in crowd. Cause if your not a part of the in crowd, then your an enemy.
So you say to your self,
"You know, in retrospect, that seemingly innocent, concensual interaction I had with X was actually RAPE. and if I come forward, I too will be recognized for the victim/hero that I am.

It was the same with the witch hunts. None of thoughs people were actually cursed by witches. They only started accusing their neighbors when A: they were told that witches are everywhere, and B: that if your not accusing witches you are one. They just subscribed to the very human desire to not be outsiders.

MeToo is a societal mental disorder.

 

[Aria]

If there was no rumors of vic bring a creep.if jamie and all of vics alleged victims came out with there allegations know one would buy it.they knew they were rumors of vic being a creep that was out there.they knew by using those rumors to give credibility to their own accusation no will question them since they have all heard the bad stories about vic.

I believe that these events did happen but a lot of details were over exaggerated as soon as moronica and marchi came out with there allegations against vic.maybe these rumors about vic were made because he was an asshole.

 

[SpiceWeasel21]

I've wondered too about the catalyst for it all after all these years. My theory, which is useless really as I could never get into the minds of some of the players in this stupid game, is like another user stated...hive mentality. I believe SOME of the stories being told happened with Vic over the years. I also believe they were fluffed and exaggerated to make the professional victims get their rush from the empathy it generated. I believe the majority entered into situations (like visiting hotel rooms alone) knowing and being ok with what might ensue and then either in the moment regretted it and changed their mind, or later became sucked into the hive. All of the people involved are actors or involved in the acting community in some way. They thrive on drama and storytelling. They also thrive on being victims. I believe if Hanleia hadn't tweeted....or Marzgurl hadn't pushed her own "well how come if Vic hits on every woman he never hit on ugly ol' me" agenda...none of this would've happened. I can't even remember now the timeline but any woman whom Vic even brushed elbows with when passing then got engulfed in the excitement of it all and padded their story. I think their reasons are much like kids making up stories to be accepted by their peers/popular group. The nerdy weebs thought they could hang with the "cool girls" like Monica/Dominque/Jamie. The unforgotten thought they could get a few minutes of fame. And the VAs thought they could catapult their own careers but getting rid of the top dog...possibly even stealing some of his fans in the process.

It also doesn't help that we live in a bizarre sexual anarcho-tyranny. On one hand you have women running around with no qualms about riding the cock carousel and aborting the consequences. At the same time, you tell one of these women that they look nice today or give them a hug, and all of a sudden you're deemed a sexual predator.

I remain naively hopeful that the suit here will be a catalyst in getting this behavior to stop.

 

[Loose Handle]

Want to know something really, REALLY fucking funny? They aren't going to be given a goddamn choice.
Remember TheQuartering's lawsuit about the dickhead who called him a nazi and assaulted him... remember how it ended?

It ended with a settlement, where Matt Loter agreed (emphasis on agreed) to issue a public apology. No court can order an apology.

 

[AF 802]

I just thought of something (and excuse the late ratings, I haven't followed Weeb Wars as of late). You know why Funimation most likely wants the lawsuit dropped? Funimation knows they can't fight the claims. They KNOW they were neglectful when they fired Vic.

I, without a doubt, know that they couldn't have looked very carefully into the claims. There was proof nearly everywhere that some intersectional assholes were trying to get him de-platformed from the anime industry for nearly a decade because he's a demographic that isn't "woke". This has been going on for years and Funimation knew it. It's right there on some of the most prominent anime forums online! (AnimeSuki, anyone?)

I believe Vic only stayed this long at Funimation because Gen Fukunaga owned the company until 2017, when he sold out to Sony. Sony turned Funimation away from being shitty copyright trolls and turned them into a woke breeding ground. Sony is afraid of having to do a New Media-style writeoff on Funimation and sell it for a lot less than what they paid for it in the first place, so they're going into DFE mode and trying to get the lawsuit dropped under shady anti-SLAPP claims.

Sony wants to get into the American anime market, which I think they'd be perfectly fine to use one of their existing studios, or establishing an American subsidiary of Animax to do so. But, you fucked yourself over Sony. GG.

 

[Aria]

The problem that I have with the metoo movement is that all accusation have to be beloved no questions.like we don't even know what the alleged victim is thinking or if the event actually happend.

That's why im always cautious when an accusation comes out.

False accusations do happen a lot you can go on too reddit and read stories of men who were falsely accused of rape and other inappropriate behaviour.

 

[AF 802]

The problem that I have with the metoo movement is that all accusation have to be beloved no questions.like we don't even know what the alleged victim is thinking or if the event actually happend.

That's why im always cautious when an accusation comes out.

False accusations do happen a lot you can go on too reddit and read stories of men who were falsely accused of rape and other inappropriate behaviour.

Exactly. This is common in the feminist realm to say that men think all rape claims are false.

This is not the case when over-sensitivity can lead to innocent people losing a chance at living a normal life because some chick decided to make something look like she was raped. I think there are quite a few rape cases, I just say people have to be cautious before automatically jumping to conclusions and saying rape claims are automatically true.

 

[xyz741]

You don't fire the talent, you fire the people that HIRED/MANAGED the talent. Because the talent keeps your money flowing in

Anime voice "talent" is incredibly replaceable. Even now the companies phase out actors all the time to keep costs down. Despite the conversations that people have been having about caring about X voice, honestly most people don't care that much. The weebs care about the characters and only latch onto the voice because they care about the character. That's why you had all the fujos arguing against funi casting Vic rather than in favor of some other actor for "Free". That's also why funi didn't care about replacing him in any current roles rather than just finishing out his current roles and then never casting him in anything again. (which would have been the smarter play) That's also why you've literally had 5 Sailor Moons and 4 Bulmas. If anything, it's actually better to recast all the shows because you have a bullshit excuse to re-release whatever show for the 10th time, but with "all new voices", the only question being if there's enough weebs that are obsessive enough to need the new version.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Anime voice "talent" is incredibly replaceable. Even now the companies phase out actors all the time to keep costs down. Despite the conversations that people have been having about caring about X voice, honestly most people don't care that much. The weebs care about the characters and only latch onto the voice because they care about the character. That's why you had all the fujos arguing against funi casting Vic rather than in favor of some other actor for "Free". That's also why funi didn't care about replacing him in any current roles rather than just finishing out his current roles and then never casting him in anything again. (which would have been the smarter play) That's also why you've literally had 5 Sailor Moons and 4 Bulmas. If anything, it's actually better to recast all the shows because you have a bullshit excuse to re-release whatever show for the 10th time, but with "all new voices", the only question being if there's enough weebs that are obsessive enough to need the new version.

All I can say about that is that that time of anime in America and the anime dubbing game has passed and most likely will never come back. Between relations with the Japanese companies, moral guardians not being in the top parts of the dubbing studios any longer, dubbers not making changes that are hilariously bad, and anime distribution that renders getting fansubs from either online forums or that one guy in your anime club that knows Japanese and has a VCR obsolete, I feel pretty confident in saying that when a dub happens, that voice cast will probably be the only one that it has, especially since anime has moved to the season scene where no real substantial hype train can start.

 

[xyz741]

I feel pretty confident in saying that when a dub happens, that voice cast will probably be the only one that it has, especially since anime has moved to the season scene where no real substantial hype train can start.

I feel pretty confident saying you're wrong, but I guess we'll see. The biggest point in your favor is that most seasons are so short now it's not a thing that you often need to worry about. But I'll point out that when Netflix got Evangelion they completely recast it. Heck, look at animated Batman, Kevin Conroy was/is iconic as Batman, and yet they've had several different voice actors play him since then and its not like he's dead.

 

[Reverend]

Point taken. But still, they're not vindictive knuckleheads, so they'll probably "execute" the idiots over at Funi silently, and not parade the corpses around on social media.

Because their shareholders will hold management accountable for stupid actions which embarrass the company, cause issue for the brand, and tank their share price.

For once capitalism is working as intended.