Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

All I can say about that is that that time of anime in America and the anime dubbing game has passed and most likely will never come back. Between relations with the Japanese companies, moral guardians not being in the top parts of the dubbing studios any longer, dubbers not making changes that are hilariously bad, and anime distribution that renders getting fansubs from either online forums or that one guy in your anime club that knows Japanese and has a VCR obsolete, I feel pretty confident in saying that when a dub happens, that voice cast will probably be the only one that it has, especially since anime has moved to the season scene where no real substantial hype train can start.
That said, dubs still have inferior voice acting to subs outside the 2000s Renaissance and monkey's paws like Digimon Tri and Sword Art Online. I'm a madman who values good voice acting more than "respecting the source material", if only because my nostalgia is tied to badly dubbed "Buy these fuckin' toys" anime. I'm glad dubs got past The Next Shadow Dimension, but phoned in voice acting just makes me want to watch with subtitles anyways.
 
You don't fire the talent, you fire the people that HIRED/MANAGED the talent. Because the talent keeps your money flowing in, you can swap management heads around without disrupting your bottom line. The only people that Sony will demand to be purged is upper management in Funimation. That's where it will start. Bonus Points if they cut on the VA's if/only if they already have replacements. Sony only gives a shit about what happens to their bottom line and what they have to report to share holders.

When Funimation loses their lawsuits the only line that will be uttered about this on the quarterly reports were "We had lower than expected revenue in our animation distribution subsidiares this caused a reorganization of said activities with a restructuring of management to align with our greater goals. Onto our Walkman brand..."

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No disrespect intended but you are wrong on the most fundamental level. You fire the person responsible for the problem, then if the problem is great enough, you fire EVERYONE who had a hand in it because if you don't, your bottom line will just keep dropping. I have seen and taken part in that scenario and witnessed the results first hand. Idiots do not increase profit. They cost a company financially, in morale, reputation and standing in their circles. And they tend to be repeat offenders.

With funi/RT, there is NO ONE whose talent is so vital to operations that they must be given a pass. Doing squeaky girl voices is a talent posessed by half the female and in Soy America 2019, half the male population. Reading lines 'in character' is not a rare ability and it's one that has no end of potential replacements available. And judging by the lines at the cons, the crew at Funi isn't even bringing the house down even within their own niche market.
 
That said, dubs still have inferior voice acting to subs outside the 2000s Renaissance and monkey's paws like Digimon Tri and Sword Art Online. I'm a madman who values good voice acting more than "respecting the source material", if only because my nostalgia is tied to badly dubbed "Buy these fuckin' toys" anime. I'm glad dubs got past The Next Shadow Dimension, but phoned in voice acting just makes me want to watch with subtitles anyways.
Fair enough. Shit like the dub of FMA: Brotherhood are really rarities and it’s not like watching subs (official or fan) is some duty that anime fans are called to do anymore, especially since with stuff like DVDs and even Crunchyroll despite all the shit that gets.
 
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No disrespect intended but you are wrong on the most fundamental level.

I'll agree and disagree that I got the fundamentals wrong: Voice Actors in the dubbing industry are as replaceable as toilet paper. I thought there was more...bargaining power that the VA's had which allowed them to skirt getting fired. I assumed they had more power than they did. I was wrong, the VA's don't have shit and can we swapped around like bowling balls.
 
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Macchingu Machiko Sensei. A kids show about a kindergarten teacher whose students constantly plot to strip her naked and molest her. And are usually at least partially successful. It got 95 episodes and 8 volumes, and something like 15 side-volumes self-published by the original author (which are basically softcore porn).

That series got seven live-action films. Japan really doesn't give a shit because "boys will be boys" but also Machiko-sensei was portrayed as being a good hard-working teacher regardless of the sexual harassment she puts up with in her workplace even by her co-workers. Probably doesn't help their society expects boys to be into girls at a really young age because that's how you know they'll grow up "healthy", but heaven forbid a naked girl wearing nothing but boots and a mask beats up oppressive bad guys including a literal Nazi with her final smash being smothering them with her cooch. (Also Cutey Honey has been used for body image propaganda despite being a superhero in tight fanservicey spandex. So progressive 8)👍. But yeah, Japan doesn't give a shit.)
 

Yes, this one person sperging out did more damage to Vic and Ty more than:

Vic being called a pedophile rapist, claiming he assaulted 100 women sexually, touching minors, the fanfictions written from twats like Monica to Kevin the Troontarian or that Sam Swice faggot, or Kevin contacting any place that has Vic as a guest to strong-arm them into dropping him.

But one person sperging? Oh now THIS is the end all of end alls for Vic more than the lies.
 
I assumed they had more power than they did. I was wrong, the VA's don't have shit and can we swapped around like bowling balls.
Using Vic as example, when you're successful and popular you can get people to show up to cons and pay you for your time to relive the glory days, but in the end, there's no anime voice equivalent for 90s Hollywood "a-listers", by which I mean people who will literally mean the potential difference between a blockbuster hit or a flop. At best, a big name voice actor might mean the difference between a title breaking even or barely losing money, but that's a space of maybe a few hundred to a couple thousand dollars. There's potential of funi losing hundreds of times that in this lawsuit. In other words, if funi has to pay 6+ figures in settlement/judgement, there's not anyone on the roster that's worth that. At best, they'd do what they should've done with Vic and keep em until current roles are done and never hire them for new work.

EDIT: Japanese otaku will literally shell out thousands just because X actress is in something, but Western weebs won't. To be fair tho, Japanese fans will also turn on a dime and throw an actress in the dumpster if they get married or possibly even get caught dating, whereas Western fans don't give a crap.
 
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It ended with a settlement, where Matt Loter agreed (emphasis on agreed) to issue a public apology. No court can order an apology.

You're right in the sense that the only way you can get a public apology is if the defendant agrees to it, but in this context "agree" is 100% under duress. The only reason an apology happens is due to a defendant knowing that if they don't do the public apology they are about to torn a new asshole in court. It's not because he got religion and realized what a complete asshole he was all of a sudden and want to apologize. Same theory applies to this case.
 
You're right in the sense that the only way you can get a public apology is if the defendant agrees to it, but in this context "agree" is 100% under duress. The only reason an apology happens is due to a defendant knowing that if they don't do the public apology they are about to torn a new asshole in court. It's not because he got religion and realized what a complete asshole he was all of a sudden and want to apologize. Same theory applies to this case.
Granted, we're in a totally different place today compared to when this case started, but under the law, they could have made it all go away just by issuing a retraction at the start. Under the law, a legal "oops, my bad" could've at least gotten rid of any defamation claims. With that in mind, I don't see a public apology on the horizon. (great if he can get one, but definitely a "believe it when I see it" kind of thing)
 
Granted, we're in a totally different place today compared to when this case started, but under the law, they could have made it all go away just by issuing a retraction at the start. Under the law, a legal "oops, my bad" could've at least gotten rid of any defamation claims. With that in mind, I don't see a public apology on the horizon. (great if he can get one, but definitely a "believe it when I see it" kind of thing)

Agreed. I mean, MAYBE Funimation if the case gets past TCPA as part of a settlement, but the other three? I think they are willing to go down with the ship.
 
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I've continuously posed this question, and it's what bothers me the most about a case whenever something like this is brought up, does an apology or admission of guilt actually do anything other than expose the pieces of shit for who they are? Take the Johnny Depp and Andy signore revelations as an example.

To the extent of my knowledge, I don't think signore got his job back and that chick that accused him still has everything she got from 'exposing' him. Just like Depp, whilst all the crap was going on they still cast him in the crappy Harry Potter spin off and he's going to be in the next one. Other than that I don't see any more movies coming up for him. Again, I don't know what their current situations are like (they could be busy with court stuff so don't have time to get back to doing what they did before) but it doesn't look like them turning out to be innocent and exposing their accusers did much.

It still helps repair the damage done, because anywhere he goes from now on, he can show that video of his accusers admitting they lied about him. Other than the obvious emptyheaded autists, who in their right mind is EVER going to believe the claims against him after that? And more importantly... who the fuck would ever listen to Monica, Ron, and Jamie ever again?
 

All you have to do is grow a conscience. It isn't hard. You could just, you know, done what the vast majority of people in this should have done and shut up. Even if no one talked about this, you r.etards would still call up conventions to cancel Vic and still make articles against him. What was the point of the Dallas News article? What did you plan to accomplish that had anything to do with the lawsuit or the Twitter drama?
 
EDIT: Japanese otaku will literally shell out thousands just because X actress is in something, but Western weebs won't. To be fair tho, Japanese fans will also turn on a dime and throw an actress in the dumpster if they get married or possibly even get caught dating, whereas Western fans don't give a crap.
Yes, someone said pages back that VAs give life to the character. No, they don't, because those characters were already brought to life by the seiyuu. It's not unheard of for characters to be written with specific seiyuu in mind (I believe Inuyasha was specifically written for Yamaguchi Kappei). Meanwhile, localization teams aren't even an afterthought of the creators. Can you imagine an English cartoonist writing something that's intended for the Spanish performance? Because that's what we'd be talking about.

This is what makes the ego of people like Schemmel unbearable. He's not Goku. It doesn't matter how many episodes he voices. It doesn't matter how many other English VAs he erases from history. He will never be Goku. If he died tomorrow the series wouldn't notice. His legacy means jack all to DBZ. He is eminently replaceable.

And that is why they get paid crap rates and have to sign autographs to put food on the table.
 
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