Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

From the last Ollie's flyer I got about two weeks ago. These are the $20/each "adult collector" figures. It looks like the Holdo wave went directly to Ollie's within just a few months of its release.
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Call me crazy, I think nobody wants this shit.
 
From the last Ollie's flyer I got about two weeks ago. These are the $20/each "adult collector" figures. It looks like the Holdo wave went directly to Ollie's within just a few months of its release.
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Call me crazy, I think nobody wants this shit.

tl;dr On this gay toy shit, none of the hardcore toy spergs have anything really good to say about the current crop of Black series.
Hasbro did a mostly good aesthetic job with the figure sculpts detail and adding in articulation (ok, fine the toy spergs do seem to like the 'base model') but scultped clothing tends to get in the way for range of motion and the add-on 'clothing' is very inflexible and also interferes with articulation range and the figures maintaining posing. The joints are also very stiff and things like hands are prone to not stay where you put them and will often drift to a 'neutral' position without doing some conditioning of the joint.
 
WAIT! waitwaitwaitwaitwait....

Ok. So, time travel was used to save Ashoka. I kept assuming it was a "pull her into the future" kind of deal so she "dies" in the past only to "resurrect" in the future and everything makes sense.

Oh no. Apparently it was so much worse than that.

I never thought I'd see this happen.
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It something that Midnight’s Edge was pointing out a while ago. Disney saw the potential that Feige was doing with the launch of the MCU and this was a driving factor in their acquisition in Marvel Entertainment, afterwards they wanted him to continue his own thing but with their massive resources to help get his plan the financial needs had to have.

Lucasfilm’s acquisition, on the other hand, was based entirely on the success on the SW brand. Now, they always had the difficult task of making a proper sequel trilogy given how ROTJ tied up loose ends, but they could’ve build something off of the EU. Instead, they nuked it and made their own shitty EU with insufferable characters and cringy plots.
It’s the same age-old lesson - when you’re working within a set of external limitations (in the MCU’s case - the fact that comic books are for nerds and no normies know or care about the characters), then you’re forced to be creative and you’ll end up with a better product. When you’re given everything from the get-go on a silver platter, you get complacent and think that anything you do will be fine.
 
It’s the same age-old lesson - when you’re working within a set of external limitations (in the MCU’s case - the fact that comic books are for nerds and no normies know or care about the characters), then you’re forced to be creative and you’ll end up with a better product. When you’re given everything from the get-go on a silver platter, you get complacent and think that anything you do will be fine.
When George wanted Kennedy to run the company under Disney, Iger should’ve have vetted her a lot more.
 
The SJW Agenda is blatant and real but whatever.

And yes it was a real question.
Then my answer is that merchandise sales for Star Wars are in the toilet, they've basically lost the post-zoomer generation to the Marvel movies, and the theme park is making rookie sales. I'm not sure yet if Disney is actually in the black after buying Lucasfilm, since they spent $4 billion on the franchise (and about as much on the various theme parks), almost every movie is plagued by extensive reshoots and production budget overruns, and everything we've heard about episode IX so far (as well as Disney's future plans) reeks of desperation.
 
I'm not sure yet if Disney is actually in the black after buying Lucasfilm, since they spent $4 billion on the franchise
Remember, that in order for an investment to be considered good, it needs to do more than just make back the money spent on it (and shit, it's been 7 years, and we still don't know if they've made back their initial 4 bil), it also needs to make more money than compound interest would at the bank. Lucasfilm failed horribly in this area, and since we don't know the exact budgets and returns, it's reasonable to assume Disney could be maybe 6 billion dollars or more wealthier if they hadn't bought Lucasfilm.

That's a lot of money they lost.
 
rs, and we still don't know if they've made back their initial 4 bil), it also needs to make more money than compound interest would at the bank. Lucasfilm failed horribly in this area, and since we don't know the exact budgets and returns, it's reasonable to assume Disney could be maybe 6 billion dollars or more wealthier if they hadn't bought Lucasfilm.
Here's the napkin math:

-they spend $4 billion buying the franchise
-add in another $4 billion to build the parks (so far)
-the movie's production budgets, so far, are all $250 million blockbusters, so another $1 billion to make the movies
-Assume equal investment in marketing and we have another $1 billion in investment

-world wide box office of the Disney Star Wars films is just shy of $5 billion, and theaters take home a substantial portion of that number.

Even when ignoring the toys and parks out of convenience (though they've been selling so poorly as to be worthy of media interest for years now, and the parks are similarly plagued by low attendance numbers) Disney remains well in the red on their Lucasfilm investment.
 
Remember, that in order for an investment to be considered good, it needs to do more than just make back the money spent on it (and shit, it's been 7 years, and we still don't know if they've made back their initial 4 bil), it also needs to make more money than compound interest would at the bank. Lucasfilm failed horribly in this area, and since we don't know the exact budgets and returns, it's reasonable to assume Disney could be maybe 6 billion dollars or more wealthier if they hadn't bought Lucasfilm.

That's a lot of money they lost.
What if that was George's plan all along? What if he "sold" the rights and whispered in Kennedy's ear "kill the mouse"?

Not only would it explain everything but it also means Lucas is the real winner of the Game of Thrones. Bravo sir. Mousetrap of the year to lucasfilm.
 
Then my answer is that merchandise sales for Star Wars are in the toilet, they've basically lost the post-zoomer generation to the Marvel movies, and the theme park is making rookie sales. I'm not sure yet if Disney is actually in the black after buying Lucasfilm, since they spent $4 billion on the franchise (and about as much on the various theme parks), almost every movie is plagued by extensive reshoots and production budget overruns, and everything we've heard about episode IX so far (as well as Disney's future plans) reeks of desperation.

@BoomerDenton I'll make Absolutego's potential mistake and treat you as a non-troll.

Also remember that while TFA made 2 billion at the box office, TLJ made 1.3, both on budgets around 250 million. So you'd thing 2+1.3-0.25-0.25 = 2.8 Billion, but remember that is from net box office receipts. Hollywood goes above and beyond to keep actual profit numbers hidden by playing lots of game (which is a whole other rant) but you can assume that for any blockbluster, less than double the budget is a loss.
(Compare this to say Deadpool which pulled $800 million on a $60 million budget)

As @Absolutego points out, the box office totals are nice, but as Lucas presciently figured out for starwars, that's small potatoes compared to merch. And those are in the toilet and declining. (If you have Netflix, there is a docuseries "The Toys that Made Us" and the first episode is about the Star Wars toys.) Part of this is Disney cannibalizing their own market - Marvel and SW audiences have large overlaps of Man children, and they have been saturating the market with both.

But the other part is that the Didney Waz movies just isn't getting or retaining adult fans, especially ones that buy merch; Marvel is selling, pre-buy out Star Wars is selling, but no one gives a fuck about Holdo and Rey.

Also remember that Disney bought Lucasfilm back in in 2012, 7 years ago, for 4 billion; lets just round up to 10 to give TRS a chance to drop, go to DVD, and accounting to complete. I don't want to sperg too deep into business math, but forgetting the cost to build Galaxy's Edge for a moment, if after 10 years Disney only makes back the 4 billion on the films, it will be a huge failure and Iger will be feeling pressure to step down.
You might be thinking "That doesn't make any sense, they made the purchase price back and still own the rights, so any dollar they make after that is a dollar in the black". But you'd be forgetting that investment math is different - if you just break even its been a failure, and was a bad risk. After 10 years, and given what Lucas was pulling from SW before the buyout, investors will be looking for at least double returns and probably more.

Disney isn't exactly in the poorhouse - 'not making as much money as hoped' is a far sight from 'losing money' - and even if all 7 billion people in the world suddenly decide "You know what? TLJ was a mess and I hated what they did to Luke. I'm done." and TRS never makes a single dollar, that's not going to put Disney under.
But what it IS going to do is make the investors pissed and demand a toll in blood and heads from the executives.

tl;dr Disney will survive TRS being a bust. Iger won't.

What if that was George's plan all along? What if he "sold" the rights and whispered in Kennedy's ear "kill the mouse"?

Not only would it explain everything but it also means Lucas is the real winner of the Game of Thrones. Bravo sir. Mousetrap of the year to lucasfilm.

I doubt Kennedy is any sort of Lucas-sent assassin, despite how horribly she's fucking up.
But if we're going the Machiavellian Lucas route, its more likely that Lucas probably recognized she was worthless, but made sure she'd stay at the helm after the hand over, and just decided to let nature take its course.

Lucas by all accounts wanted Didney Waz to be a success; why wouldn't he? Just sit back let other people do the work and deal with angry nerds, and just collect the fat checks. Disney's attempts to muscle him out of his percentage backfired.
 
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Here's the napkin math:

-they spend $4 billion buying the franchise
-add in another $4 billion to build the parks (so far)
-the movie's production budgets, so far, are all $250 million blockbusters, so another $1 billion to make the movies
-Assume equal investment in marketing and we have another $1 billion in investment

-world wide box office of the Disney Star Wars films is just shy of $5 billion, and theaters take home a substantial portion of that number.

Even when ignoring the toys and parks out of convenience (though they've been selling so poorly as to be worthy of media interest for years now, and the parks are similarly plagued by low attendance numbers) Disney remains well in the red on their Lucasfilm investment.
So, here's a graph from earlier showing off sales. I'm pretty sure this is sales revenue, and not total profit for Disney
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So that's, (rounded generously for Disney) about 26.2 billion dollars in all sales. Assuming they take 60% of all of this (generous assumptions), they come away with 15.72 billion dollars, which they can then turn around and alleviate their debt of 10 billion, leaving them with a profit of about ~5.72 billion dollars.
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Here is a very quick, very poor investment for Star Wars. This is 2% compound interest yearly over the same time period. This abysmal investment comes away with about ~1 billion dollars profit, but the numbers are starting to rack up. In another 4 or so years, this would outpace Star Wars in terms of investment, and certainly in terms of reputation.
 
@BoomerDenton I'll make Absolutego's potential mistake and treat you as a non-troll.

Also remember that while TFA made 2 billion at the box office, TLJ made 1.3, both on budgets around 250 million. So you'd thing 2+1.3-0.25-0.25 = 2.8 Billion, but remember that is from net box office receipts. Hollywood goes above and beyond to keep actual profit numbers hidden by playing lots of game (which is a whole other rant) but you can assume that for any blockbluster, less than double the budget is a loss.
(Compare this to say Deadpool which pulled $800 million on a $60 million budget)

As @Absolutego points out, the box office totals are nice, but as Lucas presciently figured out for starwars, that's small potatoes compared to merch. And those are in the toilet and declining. (If you have Netflix, there is a docuseries "The Toys that Made Us" and the first episode is about the Star Wars toys.) Part of this is Disney cannibalizing their own market - Marvel and SW audiences have large overlaps of Man children, and they have been saturating the market with both.
For what it's worth, I don't think @BoomerDenton is trolling so much as he's a massive sperg.

Like, I totally believe he believes the things he says, I just disagree with him on the particulars.
 
Remember, that in order for an investment to be considered good, it needs to do more than just make back the money spent on it (and shit, it's been 7 years, and we still don't know if they've made back their initial 4 bil), it also needs to make more money than compound interest would at the bank. Lucasfilm failed horribly in this area, and since we don't know the exact budgets and returns, it's reasonable to assume Disney could be maybe 6 billion dollars or more wealthier if they hadn't bought Lucasfilm.

That's a lot of money they lost.

dammit fuck you for making me do this.

For a normie level investment, yes, as long as an investment really beats inflation, its not a loss.
When shit starts dealing with numbers starting with "B", it needs to do significantly better than not just bank rates, but market rates; Iger needs to beat the DOW, which given what markets have done since 2017 is going to be a feat.

The tl;dr here is the SW buyout was a significant risk, much, much riskier than money in a bank account or even buying stocks. There was possibility for buying lucas film to cause that 4 billion to completely evaporate if they mismanaged the property. As the risk goes up, investors expect more reward. 4 billion is also a ton of money to have tied up - you'll lend a friend $5 with a "eh, pay me back when ever" and not give a shit where he's spending that $5; If you lend a friend $50,000 you're going to be a lot more attentive to what he's spending on, when you're being paid back, and will probably want some sort of fee for saying him bank loan rates.

Now when justifying things to investors, some times you can explain away a loss on an acquisition by pointing to opportunity gains - Ok, we lost money but we've removed a competitor from the market, Ok we lost money over 5 years but we're reversing that loss and now have access to a new market - but with revenues DECLINING, its going to be hard to make that case.

When Star Trek went SJW with Discovery, LOL if you think CBS's top brass were social equality advocates. No, they were business men, and Star Trek was a well-known property and there were no 'trekkies' at the executive level. So it was a 'name brand' property they weren't doing anything with, that they could use to bring viewers to their streaming service. They needed young, hip viewers, since the older CBS audience would be unlikely to switch, so their market research on twitter said "They want woke dangerhairs, gay romance, and a sassy black woman as captain". This has gone down as you'd expect.

What seems likely is Disney wanted to kill off everyone and everything from Episodes 1-6 to deny Lucas his percentage. They, correctly, assumed that when they did this, they'd piss off a lot of the existing fan base - for SW to make money, they'd need to be replaced. So they targeted women, girls, and the #woke crowd to replace them. This has not been playing out as they hoped.
 
Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that the writers over at Lucasfilm are confusing "complex story" for "good writing"?

Time travel, space whales, force Skype calls. These all feel like weird bandaids to fix dead ends or an attempt to obfuscate the miserable writing. It's like there's no stable core or solid base to build off of. They just keep shooting off fireworks hoping it will blind you to the fact they jumped off a cliff ages ago.
 
Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that the writers over at Lucasfilm are confusing "complex story" for "good writing"?

Time travel, space whales, force Skype calls. These all feel like weird bandaids to fix dead ends or an attempt to obfuscate the miserable writing. It's like there's no stable core or solid base to build off of. They just keep shooting off fireworks hoping it will blind you to the fact they jumped off a cliff ages ago.
I would agree with only one suggestion for a change:
It's not so much "complex" writing as it's convoluted writing. Other than that, you are dead on your money.

tl;dr Disney will survive TRS being a bust. Iger won't.
I read this whole post wondering what "TRS" is until I realized you're talking about the new movie... everyone just seems to call it IX still, which should be an indication of how sucky that "Rise of Skywalker" name truly is.
 
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