Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Creep3r]

Now the cast is talking about Dark Rey...

What Kelly Marie Tran says though is what strikes me.

"I think the most important thing to take from that whole snippet is just that the ending of this film is going to be really groundbreaking in a good way. I think there are a lot of little pieces from the older films..."

Time travel and/or Reality Warp confirmed?

And if so what does this mean for the shitty Rogue One TV show and the upcoming post sequel comics?

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Now the cast is talking about Dark Rey...

What Kelly Marie Tran says though is what strikes me.

"I think the most important thing to take from that whole snippet is just that the ending of this film is going to be really groundbreaking in a good way. I think there are a lot of little pieces from the older films..."

Time travel and/or Reality Warp confirmed?

And if so what does this mean for the shitty Rogue One TV show and the upcoming post sequel comics?

Nothing, I think. Anything prior to ROTJ, doesn't get affected. That would, potentially, wipe Rey/Ben out of exsistance(can't have that)

Even Mandalorian can just 'roll with it'(it has enough distance). So, its only the ST and Resistance that will be affected.

It won't change anything with DIsney additions to the OT era. Rogue One still happened...

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

Ahsoka was a major focus of the Clone Wars show, but she wasn't the be all end all. They could tell stories without her and the Jedi could function when she wasn't around. And starting off young meant that the character had to grow and make mistakes along the way. By the time she appeared in Rebels, she was basically the mentor character and not the main focus at all.

Hell in the first season she gets curb stomp by Greivous who didn't even have force powers (Well kinda Star Wars Visionaries and the essential guide to droids inferred he goy a blood transfusion from Sifo Diyas)

 

[The Nothingness]

What Kelly Marie Tran says though is what strikes me.

"I think the most important thing to take from that whole snippet is just that the ending of this film is going to be really groundbreaking in a good way. I think there are a lot of little pieces from the older films..."

 

[Creep3r]

Nothing, I think. Anything prior to ROTJ, doesn't get affected. That would, potentially, wipe Rey/Ben out of exsistance(can't have that)

Even Mandalorian can just 'roll with it'(it has enough distance). So, its only the ST and Resistance that will be affected.

It won't change anything with DIsney additions to the OT era. Rogue One still happened...

Aww crap... if they only retcon the shitty new films then the rest of Disney's tripe including Chuck Wendig's novels, the awful Marvel Comics, Rebels, etc will still be canon, but the real killer is that casual audiences will eat it up regardless because TLJ is no longer canon and nufans will celebrate because Reylo can now happen now that their sweet Ben Ben still exist as a good guy... which would explain the good version of Ben Solo seen in the shitty new BB-8 cartoon while his Kylo Ren alter ego is nowhere to be seen.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

It’s nice to see the cast take time out of their reshoots to inform us all is well.

 

[Creep3r]

The cast trying to explain the rationale behind bringing the Emperor back and why he "needed" to be in IX...

Kennedy also sort of confirms a previous leak.

Mainly one about how D-O is a droid that was rescued by BB-8 from the droid factory on the snow planet Kijimi.

 

[Oaat]

I think you could do one without changing too much about the old EU before you hit the sequel trilogy, at least the stuff that happens before the next generation starts reaching adulthood.

So how I would do it is the death of the Emperor is the start of a new era, it's no longer the galactic civil war era. The war continues, but now starts the Imperial Pandemonium, or the Pandemonium era. You basically have the imperial warlords, moff council, political turmoil on Courscant, all of the early chaos from the old EU happens to the Galactic Empire, it doesn't collapse all at once, but it's clear that we're in the collapse period, just like the collapse of the Roman Empire didn't happen in a few years.

Han helps Chewie free the wookiees on Kashyyyk, Leia takes a leadership role of the Alliance, while Luke begins the first steps towards training other force users,.

Then you get a few events you could mention in the sequel trilogy, but that other writers instead can flesh out more. Names such as "The Thrawn campaign", "Cults of the dark side", "The New Mandalorian civil war", "The Rise of the Black Sun", etc.

>just like the collapse of the Roman Empire

Imperial remnants vs endless waves of space barbarians? Constantly changing feudal fiefs instead of two galaxy-spanning states locked in the same war? Coruscant falls into ruin and gets supplanted by space Byzantium? The Jedi gradually spread their influence independent of any single government? Pacing EU events that gets canonized across 32 years? That has potential.

 

[Wyzzerd]

I can't wait for the documentary in 10 years explaining everything that went wrong. Everything is just so broken and mismanaged that they could announce they are delaying ep 9 until next year and I would not be surprised.

Has there been a single good choice they have made since they bought the brand? The movies are a disaster, the books are worthless, the park is a ghost town, games are barely around, toys rot on the shelves, and the comics are toxic waste.

 

[Creep3r]

I can't wait for the documentary in 10 years explaining everything that went wrong. Everything is just so broken and mismanaged that they could announce they are delaying ep 9 until next year and I would not be surprised.

Has there been a single good choice they have made since they bought the brand? The movies are a disaster, the books are worthless, the park is a ghost town, games are barely around, toys rot on the shelves, and the comics are toxic waste.

Speaking of documentaries, I found this semi-documentary video on the fall of Lucasarts and 1313. Really hits home...

Its not exactly a behind the scenes thing from an employee but I think it does a fair job of summarizing the last 5 shitty years under Disney. But here's something that reveals just how incompetent the Disney execs are in case you missed it before: https://www.micechat.com/233418-miceage-disneyland-rumor-update-promising-the-moon/

As for good choices they've made, only thing that comes to mind are some of the add-ons for EAfront II, the Anakin/Kenobi mini comic and maybe the Kenobi show but they'll probably shit the bed with that.

Also to lighten the mood after all these spoilers and news, here are some dank SW memes.

 

[HeyYou]

I can't wait for the documentary in 10 years explaining everything that went wrong. Everything is just so broken and mismanaged that they could announce they are delaying ep 9 until next year and I would not be surprised.

Has there been a single good choice they have made since they bought the brand? The movies are a disaster, the books are worthless, the park is a ghost town, games are barely around, toys rot on the shelves, and the comics are toxic waste.

Rogue One was decent, not great. Solo wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It had quite a few flaws but it was watchable. A few of the comics were good, like the Anakin and Obi-Wan one and the first part of the most recent Vader comic. I also remember (I think) Lando being decent. They've had a fair amount of success in the novel department. Aftermath was shit, but Tarkin, Lost Stars, Catalyst, Master and Apprentice and the first Thrawn book were pretty good.

But if your best content gets me to say "eh, it was good enough" you don't get to say that the old EU needed to be thrown out for this new shit.

 

[Creep3r]

Rogue One was decent, not great. Solo wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be. It had quite a few flaws but it was watchable. A few of the comics were good, like the Anakin and Obi-Wan one and the first part of the most recent Vader comic. I also remember (I think) Lando being decent. They've had a fair amount of success in the novel department. Aftermath was shit, but Tarkin, Lost Stars, Catalyst, Master and Apprentice and the first Thrawn book were pretty good.

But if your best content gets me to say "eh, it was good enough" you don't get to say that the old EU needed to be thrown out for this new shit.

I remember when I first saw the Obi Wan and Anakin comic. It had so much potential, yet it was only 5 issues long, probably since they had to put some actual effort into it which was too much for the fucks at Marvel.

Also guess who just made a new SW reaction video...

Spoiler

 

[Safir]

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I may be overthinking it, but I love the >implications behind logo design the timeline seems to suggest.
OT: Here's an awesome story! Here's another awesome story! Here's yet another awesome story!
PT: It's a prequel! Another prequel! Still a prequel!
ST: BRAND BRAND BRAND CONSUME CONSUME CONSUME

 

[Tookie]

It can 'work', in the way I've discussed earlier. The two rewrite reality where they end up together. Thats about it...

You need to essentially blank slate Ben Solo...

Even thats dumb, but it at least follows some sort of logic...

The least-bad option Disney has to salvage this franchise might be to do this. The two change the timeline so everything post-ROTJ ends up aligning basically with the EU and Reylo live happily ever after at Luke's Jedi Academy.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Yeah, it really seems to me they're doing a new reality thing.

The Empire reammerges with thousands of ships and death star cannons? I just read its the old Star Destroyers too...

The resistance is a handfull of fighters and criminals?

They're going to get slaughtered in some sort of last stand moment. Then Rey is going to re-write everything. I just don't see how this works, otherwise...

You watch, this is gonna be some "Neverending Story" shit....

How much you wanna bet IX will just pay lip-service to the ending of TLJ and have the main characters essentially reassemble their Resistance within the first few minutes of the movie (if the timeskip doesn't just outright propell the plot to a point where the Resistance has been reformed)?

Now the cast is talking about Dark Rey...

What Kelly Marie Tran says though is what strikes me.

"I think the most important thing to take from that whole snippet is just that the ending of this film is going to be really groundbreaking in a good way. I think there are a lot of little pieces from the older films..."

Time travel and/or Reality Warp confirmed?

And if so what does this mean for the shitty Rogue One TV show and the upcoming post sequel comics?

John Boyega just doesn't give a fuck. Also, is it just me or is the way how he shakes his head at the beginning really strange.
KMT struggles to squeeze out the usual marketing dialogue and Daisey Ridley looks like a crack-corpse with poor makeup.

Aww crap... if they only retcon the shitty new films then the rest of Disney's tripe including Chuck Wendig's novels, the awful Marvel Comics, Rebels, etc will still be canon, but the real killer is that casual audiences will eat it up regardless because TLJ is no longer canon and nufans will celebrate because Reylo can now happen now that their sweet Ben Ben still exist as a good guy... which would explain the good version of Ben Solo seen in the shitty new BB-8 cartoon while his Kylo Ren alter ego is nowhere to be seen.

Admittedly, the most likely version was always to simply retcon TLJ, but who knows, maybe they'll surprise us yet again with another insane and poor decision.
As it stands, they have to at least retcon "Jake" Skywalker trying to murder his nephew from TLJ for no reason.

The cast trying to explain the rationale behind bringing the Emperor back and why he "needed" to be in IX...

To have him come back, he's the greatest foe, the greatest enemy, might as well take him down propperly

Posted without comment:

okay, one comment: fuck off John Boyega.

 

[Ghostse]

Ya know if I were in the writer chair I would go whole hog on the "Rey was a science experiment by palpatine and co" and make it a meta commentary on how the character was specifically moulded to be ultra perfect at everything at the cost of her very humanity by a callous and uncaring organisation at the behest of a bitter and evil madman

That has some depth and could be interesting, so Disney will not be doing that.

Ahsoka was a major focus of the Clone Wars show, but she wasn't the be all end all. They could tell stories without her and the Jedi could function when she wasn't around. And starting off young meant that the character had to grow and make mistakes along the way. By the time she appeared in Rebels, she was basically the mentor character and not the main focus at all.

Ahsoka also wasn't perfect the first time she tried to do everything, made a lot of mistakes and learned from them. Rey doesn't do anything wrong, ever.

Okay so Star Wars.com commented on the evil Rey and they called her a "vision"... so much for that can of worms.

Was there ever any serious doubt?
Evil Rey could be interesting, so Disney will not be doing that

 

[Miller]

Speaking of documentaries, I found this semi-documentary video on the fall of Lucasarts and 1313. Really hits home...

It's a pretty good video from The Act Man. I didn't know that Ronald D. Moore worked on the cancelled live-action tv show.
It's really sad to see all that talent wasted. Imagine the hours spend on creating the bible, writing every episode of at least one season of this show, only to get it cancelled by Disney before even shooting the whole thing. SW Detours is a big example of that. They wrote, animated and voiced 2 seasons of a show that will never air. I don't care if it's shit or not, they should've aired it on Disney XD or whatever the name of that channel.

John Boyega just doesn't give a fuck.

He said on Twitter some time ago that he won't hide his feelings if he doesn't like what they're doing to his character.

 

[neverendingmidi]

I was really disappointed by how they treated Boyega's character in TLJ. I mean after it came out that the modern stormtroopers were children kidnapped and brainwashed into the First Order, I was expecting Finn to lead a rebellion from within, be a Spartacus character type.

Well that got tossed.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I was really disappointed by how they treated Boyega's character in TLJ. I mean after it came out that the modern stormtroopers were children kidnapped and brainwashed into the First Order, I was expecting Finn to lead a rebellion from within, be a Spartacus character type.

Well that got tossed.

With Finn defecting from the FO, you get a short glimpse of a storyline where Stormtroopers get humanized (is that even a word?) and that Finn might play a role in creating a revolt against the FO leadership, helping the Rebellion... but nope.

Sad thing, too, it would have made for an amazing plot and practically writes itself. Here, let me have a go:
First, you retcon TR-8R's death from TFA to him being heavily injured and have him be Phasma's henchman who then faces Finn in the next movie. Explore his and Finn's history together and maybe how Phasma figures into all of this. TR-8R is Finn's former friend from the same village, who has been indoctrinated into the whole FO shtick to a degree that he can't deal with Finn betraying the FO.
Have a flashback to Finn as a kid, we see an attack on his village that was (apparently) committed by the New Republic for some political reason (like, the village is on a planet that wants to remain neutral and seperate from the Republic). Finn and his friend flee the massacre of the townspeople, but Finn gets seperated for a short moment. As he's hiding, he watches a soldier removing his/her mask (Could be Phasma before she got to a leading rank, to tie her into the plot a bit more) or helmet for a quick moment before leaving. Finn then stumbles through the ruins with his friend after the attack until they are eventually picked up by FO-soldiers that "rescue" them. In another flashback, we see Finn (much later and during his training to become a Stormtrooper with his friend) notices another Stormtrooper, who looks very similar to the soldier he saw during the attack. We learn that it was a false flag by the FO, to obtain a few easily brainwashed townspeople as slaves and a few children to indoctrinate in their military structure. Finn then slowly learns about the full extend and this builds his desire to defect. He tries to tell his friend, but he's not receptive to this stuff at all due to indoctrination and Finn is punished and re-educated (which is also why he was demoted to being on "mop the mcguffin-room" duty).

This would all lead up to a big climax between TR-8R and Finn, where either Finn is forced to shoot his former comrade or he actually manages to pull his former comrade on to his side. I would lean towards the latter, tbh, since that could be used for a pretty epic scene where Finn is captured and about to be killed, but TR-8R shows up and rescues him. Or he takes him away to be "interrogated" and brings him to a group of other defectors who are still with the FO, but prepare for a large scale uprising.

This is stuff that I came up with as I typed and it would have made for an absolutely amazing story arc for Finn.
What do we get instead?
A retread of Finn's arc of TFA and... this scene:

 

[Creep3r]

With Finn defecting from the FO, you get a short glimpse of a storyline where Stormtroopers get humanized (is that even a word?) and that Finn might play a role in creating a revolt against the FO leadership, helping the Rebellion... but nope.

Sad thing, too, it would have made for an amazing plot and practically writes itself. Here, let me have a go:
First, you retcon TR-8R's death from TFA to him being heavily injured and have him be Phasma's henchman who then faces Finn in the next movie. Explore his and Finn's history together and maybe how Phasma figures into all of this. TR-8R is Finn's former friend from the same village, who has been indoctrinated into the whole FO shtick to a degree that he can't deal with Finn betraying the FO.
Have a flashback to Finn as a kid, we see an attack on his village that was (apparently) committed by the New Republic for some political reason (like, the village is on a planet that wants to remain neutral and seperate from the Republic). Finn and his friend flee the massacre of the townspeople, but Finn gets seperated for a short moment. As he's hiding, he watches a soldier removing his/her mask (Could be Phasma before she got to a leading rank, to tie her into the plot a bit more) or helmet for a quick moment before leaving. Finn then stumbles through the ruins with his friend after the attack until they are eventually picked up by FO-soldiers that "rescue" them. In another flashback, we see Finn (much later and during his training to become a Stormtrooper with his friend) notices another Stormtrooper, who looks very similar to the soldier he saw during the attack. We learn that it was a false flag by the FO, to obtain a few easily brainwashed townspeople as slaves and a few children to indoctrinate in their military structure. Finn then slowly learns about the full extend and this builds his desire to defect. He tries to tell his friend, but he's not receptive to this stuff at all due to indoctrination and Finn is punished and re-educated (which is also why he was demoted to being on "mop the mcguffin-room" duty).

This would all lead up to a big climax between TR-8R and Finn, where either Finn is forced to shoot his former comrade or he actually manages to pull his former comrade on to his side. I would lean towards the latter, tbh, since that could be used for a pretty epic scene where Finn is captured and about to be killed, but TR-8R shows up and rescues him. Or he takes him away to be "interrogated" and brings him to a group of other defectors who are still with the FO, but prepare for a large scale uprising.

This is stuff that I came up with as I typed and it would have made for an absolutely amazing story arc for Finn.
What do we get instead?
A retread of Finn's arc of TFA and... this scene:
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Would explain why Boyega looks so pissed and disgruntled on twitter and irl. This whole thing is horribly ironic considering that his character was the closest thing to anything original in Disney's films, now he's just a fucking comic relief shitter. Even in the shittastic comics he's a joke.

From the start his character was doomed with how easily he defected and deprogrammed himself because "lol janitor" who for some reason gets sent on a genocide run despite no combat training. It wouldn't even be hard to have made him even a sympathetic trooper despite being loyal to the shitty Empire knockoff but have him slowly start changing his mind as he explores the outside world. Hell they could've even really subverted expectations by showing life within an Imperial remnant and what inspires (or forces) troopers to believe in the cause of the Empire, showcasing both sides of the story or how hard life is as a trooper, showing that they're living beings too instead of just having him leave after 5 minutes and never really doing anything with his trooper schtick. The whole First Order is so poorly done its unbelievable and would've made fans cringe as much as the Clone Army in EpII back in the day if not for the mindless hype.

Hell there was a character exactly like Finn's in the old EU who was done way better and who refused to kill Rebel/Republic sympathizers for being civilians or torment non-humans.

TKR 330 ends up fighting and killing his ruthless commander (his Phasma) and ends up deserting the Empire, becoming a vigilante leading other ex-troopers to do what he believed should've been the Empire's true goal, hunting down crime lords, pirates and warlords to bring order to chaotic worlds.