ANTIFA / Antifascist Action / Antifaschistische Aktion - The anti-fascist gang with fascist tendencies

[SmallTalk201]

A lot of the time, it's actually the complete opposite: environmental activists also tend to be campaigning for open borders and for more people to be allowed to come here because desire for any degree of border protection and wanting to control who gets to enter your country is but a form of racist cis sexist capitalist fascism. Somehow it hasn't crossed their mind that the more people migrate to a country with a high standard of living and the more the population increases, the more the amount of emissions is going to go up. In fact, Sweden's biggest newspaper has been heavily in favor of liberal immigration laws for years now – including because of reasons like "we need immigrants to boost the birth rate" – and yet they also constantly talk about climate change and have even published a few articles where they argue that we need to have fewer children in order to save the climate.

The only two ways to help the environment at this point is either nuclear fusion or a collapse of civilization.

 

[TowinKarz]

A collapse of civilization would collapse the environment, people aren't going to care about how endangered a species is, they'll put even the last of it's kind between two slices of bread just the same cuz' they got to eat..... and if the power goes out permanently, say goodbye to the trees, because people will want to stay warm at night too... and wood burns easy....

The environment at this point is linked to us, there is no happy way to collapse society in a way that leaves it untouched or in a recoverable state. Just like how the idiot accelerationists still think they can spark a revolution that kills millions of their perceived enemies, but leaves their local starbucks untouched and their Amazon orders still waiting on their porches when they get home......

 

[Particle Bored]

A collapse of civilization would collapse the environment, people aren't going to care about how endangered a species is, they'll put even the last of it's kind between two slices of bread just the same cuz' they got to eat..... and if the power goes out permanently, say goodbye to the trees, because people will want to stay warm at night too... and wood burns easy....

The environment at this point is linked to us, there is no happy way to collapse society in a way that leaves it untouched or in a recoverable state. Just like how the idiot accelerationists still think they can spark a revolution that kills millions of their perceived enemies, but leaves their local starbucks untouched and their Amazon orders still waiting on their porches when they get home......

I think you're kind of falling into a similar trap to GW alarmists, in terms of human environmental impact. If civilization collapses and power goes out, people will be tearing apart the house of the newly-dead old lady next door and burning the debris, not felling the Sierras with hand axes. And that would only last until they ran out of pets, rodents, and neighbors to eat. As spread out as humanity is, we occupy a tiny percentage of the world's land. Couple hundred years and nature would reclaim cilivilization.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

The environment at this point is linked to us, there is no happy way to collapse society in a way that leaves it untouched or in a recoverable state. Just like how the idiot accelerationists still think they can spark a revolution that kills millions of their perceived enemies, but leaves their local starbucks untouched and their Amazon orders still waiting on their porches when they get home......

Those are part-time rebels from the (((first world white middle class))) who tweet about beating up Nazis and share memes about throwing billionaires under the guillotine, yet in real life, they cannot even boycott Chick-Fi-A or Marvel but think they could handle all the hardship and sacrifices that come with a violent revolution.

If civilization collapses and power goes out, people will be tearing apart the house of the newly-dead old lady next door and burning the debris, not felling the Sierras with hand axes. And that would only last until they ran out of pets, rodents, and neighbors to eat.

Yeah, and then billions of people would die painfully from famine, war, crime etc. No thanks.

 

[SmallTalk201]

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Yeah, and then billions of people would die painfully from famine, war, crime etc. No thanks.

which would result in less people thus less strain on the environment and resources and less social problems. Not Every life is sacred. Kiwi farms is built on that premise

 

[Memento Malum]

which would result in less people thus less strain on the environment and resources and less social problems. Not Every life is sacred. Kiwi farms is built on that premise

Eh. Kiwi Farms is built on the premise that no one is immune to mockery. You could just as well make the argument that with less people there would be less idiots running around to laugh at. We like our lolcows alive here, contrary to what Twitter and reddit would tell you, because you cannot milk a dead cow.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

If you believe in magic soil, then once they set foot into a first world country their newly-acquired first world lifestyles will lower the birthrates, thereby helping the environment in the long run. It's bullshit because their native countries will keep the high birthrates due to brain drain and the drop in housing prices from all the emigrants selling their abodes.

But somehow we're not allowed to cherish the magic soil, if we're part of the original native population, because that's waycist, or some dumb shit.

Eh. Kiwi Farms is built on the premise that no one is immune to mockery. You could just as well make the argument that with less people there would be less idiots running around to laugh at. We like our lolcows alive here, contrary to what Twitter and reddit would tell you, because you cannot tard cum a dead cow.

You're still only allowed to laugh at approved targets here.

 

[SmallTalk201]

Eh. Kiwi Farms is built on the premise that no one is immune to mockery. You could just as well make the argument that with less people there would be less idiots running around to laugh at. We like our lolcows alive here, contrary to what Twitter and reddit would tell you, because you cannot tard cum a dead cow.

Even onision and yaviv?
Keeping on track many thing antifa wants can be achieved by collapsing civilization.
A post collapse world would have:
No more borders.
Communism (except at a tribal level but still)
All systems of oppression will cease to function.
No money and no class.
Less white people (ok less people over all but still many white people will die)

What's not to love?

also in a post collapse society folks on the right will experience:
a world with all gun control laws repealed.
the surveillance state (nsa) being undone.
suddenly return of free spech.
no longer have their hard earned money go to welfare leeches.
no more federal income or sales tax.
A post collapse America would cease having a strong economy and this remove the the incentive for illegals to come here. So collapsing civilization would help secure the border

so both left and right could get their ideal society if technology and civilization were cease to be. Who says bipartisanship is dead?

 

[scathefire]

Even onision and yaviv?
Keeping on track many thing antifa wants can be achieved by collapsing civilization.
A post collapse world would have:
No more borders.
Communism (except at a tribal level but still)
All systems of oppression will cease to function.
No money and no class.
Less white people (ok less people over all but still many white people will die)

What's not to love?

also in a post collapse society folks on the right will experience:
a world with all gun control laws repealed.
the surveillance state (nsa) being undone.
suddenly return of free spech.
no longer have their hard earned money go to welfare leeches.
no more federal income or sales tax.
A post collapse America would cease having a strong economy and this remove the the incentive for illegals to come here. So collapsing civilization would help secure the border

so both left and right could get their ideal society if technology and civilization were cease to be. Who says bipartisanship is dead?

The collapse of post-modern civilization is a really funny idea but we would probably all die tbh

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

The collapse of post-modern civilization is a really funny idea but we would probably all die tbh

Reincarnation is the only hope some of us have.

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

That faggot is a Cracked writer (can't remember whether he still writes for them) who has a popular Youtube show where he spazzes out about Trump and other leftist bullshit. The guy's deranged.

Remember when cracked was good? Pepperidge Farms remembers. Woke poison.

They didn't actually go bankrupt, they just had massive layoffs because their woke bullshit wasn't generating revenue and they're a dying website.

Yep.

From what little I know of socialist thought crony capitalism is the natural outcome of capitalism. Monopolies who soon use wealth to subvert political systems and use them to oppress the workers

I few years ago, I would have been best described as a tankie. HArdcore leftist. Organizing WTO protest shit and all that.

I'm in Toronto visiting friends this week, and I was over at a buddy's place today I've known for almost 40 years today. He's a Communist Party member and he was talking about various "actions" and garbage and how they are on high alert from infiltration from the right and from government (didn't bother to tell him I think Trump makes a decent president). He mentioned that lame shitshow where there were proud boys or whatever and some shenanigans in Eaton Centre and how he was an organizer. (My bona fides are pretty good in those circles... I was one of those faggots for far too long, and I have a sort of famous socialist grandfather, so I can regurgitate that nonsense and I'm considered knowledgeable.)

I really think we're far past the point that anyone understands economics at all on the left. It's just a religious ideology which has not become any more concise or accurate since Marx's writings. It's just been drenched in loaded-term jargon that demands an end to all rational thought and demands a kneejerk acceptance.

Actually arguing economics with socialists is an exercise in futility.

It's a religion, and the same way an SJW looks foolish flinging what is actually said in the Bible to a hypocrite believer, flinging Marxist thought at a leftist is equally ineffectual, since in neither case do they understand what they are actually identifying with.

Bit of a powerlevel, but meh. I'm off to a bar now.

 

[SmallTalk201]

The collapse of post-modern civilization is a really funny idea but we would probably all die tbh

SHit happens and when it happens won't be something folks can stop

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

I wonder how these fuckers feel that even one protester from Hong Kong has more courage and legitimacy than this entire """ideology""" of theirs?

 

[Memento Malum]

I wonder how these fuckers feel that even one protester from Hong Kong has more courage and legitimacy than this entire """ideology""" of theirs?

I think you are overestimating their introspective abilities there.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

I few years ago, I would have been best described as a tankie. HArdcore leftist. Organizing WTO protest shit and all that.

What brought you away from that, if I may ask?

 

[SmallTalk201]

Remember when cracked was good? Pepperidge Farms remembers. Woke poison.

Yep.

I few years ago, I would have been best described as a tankie. HArdcore leftist. Organizing WTO protest shit and all that.

Sounds like ya need a talk with ashey.

My problem with the current left is various ideas have been hijacked by capitalists as a means to oppress lower economic classes.

Issues such as race, sex, gender, ect as used to distract from class issues or used to divided lower economic classes along lines of race and sex.

Progress on social issues while ignoring class issues isn't progress. It's a setup for reversing it via appeasement. It's called give an inch take a mile.

There are more non whites, lgbt, females, ect in the lower class then the upper economic classes. The rich want all the wealth and all the power and only they will get it by taking it from others not of their class. Eventually there will be nothing to take. That when the rich's former "pets" (pocs, lbgt, ect) will get uppity and rebel. The rich (such as macron) will then respond with over whelming force and cease being benign to these people.

So in a way these people always being about isms and ists and talking about ending systematic bigotry (while ignoring class issues) are set to g up genocide for they very folk they claim to speak for

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

Sounds like ya need a talk with ashey.

My problem with the current left is various ideas have been hijacked by capitalists as a means to oppress lower economic classes.

Issues such as race, sex, gender, ect as used to distract from class issues or used to divided lower economic classes along lines of race and sex.

Progress on social issues while ignoring class issues isn't progress. It's a setup for reversing it via appeasement. It's called give an inch take a mile.

There are more non whites, lgbt, females, ect in the lower class then the upper economic classes. The rich want all the wealth and all the power and only they will get it by taking it from others not of their class. Eventually there will be nothing to take. That when the rich's former "pets" (pocs, lbgt, ect) will get uppity and rebel. The rich (such as macron) will then respond with over whelming force and cease being benign to these people.

So in a way these people always being about isms and ists and talking about ending systematic bigotry (while ignoring class issues) are set to g up genocide for they very folk they claim to speak for

And in a srange reversal of political fortune, the primary "pets" of those powers are now the media, serving themselves, but couched in the robes of leftism.

 

[SmallTalk201]

And in a srange reversal of political fortune, the primary "pets" of those powers are now the media, serving themselves, but couched in the robes of leftism.

when pets I meant minorities such as pocs, lbgt, so forth.

What I'm getting at is focus on class issues only would do far more for So called oppressed then focus only on social issues

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

What brought you away from that, if I may ask?

Weirdly, Trump. I don't actually like him at all, except as political entertainment. On election day, I still would have voted Clinton if I were American. Now, I respect his preternatural ability to direct his detractors, though. There were a lot of things over the years, really, and it started with affirmative action in IIRC 83, but up until early 2016 i still considered myself a hardcore Bakunin-esque anarcho-syndicalist. The vitriol of the left, the sadistic delight in dehumanizing anyone who didn't ideologically conform during Trump making his run for president reminded me of the exact things the Bolsheviks did to the democrats, intelligensia, middle class, Mensheviks, social democrats, anarchists, Muslims, pacifists, Christians etc. and they had done that, crushing all of them, before 1917 even rolled around. There is nothing more ugly or potentially dangerous we've seen as humans than that mentality.

The current left is behaving EXACTLY the same as the Bolsheviks. The left turned it's back on everything it believed in during even the sixties (really the 1880s). The colour of one's skin, one's gender, one's heritage should be irrelevant. Segregation is wrong. Free speech, free of moralizing is sacrosanct, government is subservient to the collective of individuals not the other way around, the rule of law, audited by the democracy of people is inviolable etc etc etc etc And yet, all these betrayals are embraced by the left, and many more besides.

I still largely consider myself leftist, but think the danger is too apparent, so like a guy like David Horowitz, I will support virtually any right wing movement (within reason) over the left. WE have ample evidence of what this mentality leads to.

As retarded as it sounds, it sounds like "no true scotsman", but it's not leftism what they do. The left is entirely subsumed by Bolshevist ideology. Still, it seems people can't incorporate the potentially good aspects of socialism without descending into that nightmare.

Orwell called it perfectly in the title of Goldstein's Book, imo: The Theory and Practice of Oligarchal Collectivism. Every leftist I hear about nowadays is the equivalent of Parsons from 1984, and they don't even have enough self awareness to see it. Betrayal of all compassion, decency and humanity, willing subjugation for an ideology and dehumanization of anyone...self, friends, family, community, nation... for the sake of that ideology.. It's uglier than anything western religion has done for over a thousand years imo.

Apologies for being a faggot and posting this anecdotal, personal shit. Disregard me, I suck cock.

 

[SmallTalk201]

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I still largely consider myself leftist, but think the danger is too apparent, so like a guy like David Horowitz, I will support virtually any right wing movement (within reason) over the left. WE have ample evidence of what this mentality leads to.

As exceptional as it sounds, it sounds like "no true scotsman", but it's not leftism what they do. The left is entirely subsumed by Bolshevist ideology. Still, it seems people can't incorporate the potentially good aspects of socialism without descending into that nightmare.

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I don't support the so called right. Why? Four reasons. The Bush jr era. Lots of stuff pulled during that time is a no go. Second the right is changing. It no longer has an identity beyond make libtards cry (and antifa look bad). Third they are propped up by the same rich folks who prop up the democrats and the left. Koch w and Goldman Sachs. It obvious they no longer care about common folks. The fourth and final reason is cause the left can only hold and gain power as long there is someone opposing them.

If all white people were to vanish (due to I do nt know space alien abduction) right now these fucks won't have any one to scare their pocs with. With no boogieman, they can't control folks.

they troll white people so they will lash out at non whites so they can say "see! See!? I told you they were whacked. You need me!" . It the same shit a malignant narcissist pulls on their victims.

That's why there needs be a third option and destruction of the current left vs dichotomy. Replace black and white worldview with orange and blue morality sort of deal.
Without left vs right dichotomy these people won't have the cohesion needed to keep their side together.

The only way I can see that being done is splitting g up the chess board into 4 by 4 squares. Instead of folks being concerned if ya a Democrat or Republican, have folks care more if you from California or Nevada.
have political identity and rivalry be based on location and not by group (such as sex, race ect)

one way to achieve this is make it a law where parties can operate only their county and no where else. There are 3424 counties in America. such a law would create 3424 political parties. This would shift the public's world view from federal to regional (as it should be). ITs one idea to achieve this.

By doing such fragmentation one can drive a wedge between Democratic strongholds. If you can get l.a to hate NYC (and vice versa) as much as antfa hates white people you would put an end to democrats power and their bullshittery.

As for giving everything up for an ideology? I've been there. It's a case of having an imaginary friend for adults. It's not healthy