ANTIFA / Antifascist Action / Antifaschistische Aktion - The anti-fascist gang with fascist tendencies

Even onision and yaviv?
Keeping on track many thing antifa wants can be achieved by collapsing civilization.
A post collapse world would have:
No more borders.
Communism (except at a tribal level but still)
All systems of oppression will cease to function.
No money and no class.
Less white people (ok less people over all but still many white people will die)

What's not to love?

also in a post collapse society folks on the right will experience:
a world with all gun control laws repealed.
the surveillance state (nsa) being undone.
suddenly return of free spech.
no longer have their hard earned money go to welfare leeches.
no more federal income or sales tax.
A post collapse America would cease having a strong economy and this remove the the incentive for illegals to come here. So collapsing civilization would help secure the border

so both left and right could get their ideal society if technology and civilization were cease to be. Who says bipartisanship is dead?
Except none of your rights (including free speech) will be respected, because you'd be kow-towing to whoever has the most military force in the region and probably rendering them tribute too. But at least the warlords won't have enough time on their hands to embark on idealistic projects like welfare states and troon acceptance, and you can defect to a sane one if your current one goes mad.
 
Has any of these far left environmental groups ever talked about the overpopulation issue and its effect on the environment and where most of the population growth comes from? It sounds pretty stupid if you're reducing emissions while the total world population is marching towards 10 billion in this century. If you then factor in that all of the developing countries too are supposed to get the western lifestyle of consumerism I don't get how anyone believes the leftist environmentalism is anything but a farce.

Because enviromentalism plans to bilk them for cash
 
Except none of your rights (including free speech) will be respected, because you'd be kow-towing to whoever has the most military force in the region and probably rendering them tribute too. But at least the warlords won't have enough time on their hands to embark on idealistic projects like welfare states and troon acceptance, and you can defect to a sane one if your current one goes mad.
exactly it's all about choice!

As for tribute? How that versus current system of taxes?

As for kowotwing. How that any different vs now? Like europe. If you defend your self against a migrant attack you will get legal charges. Not other way around.



At least if you say something about the next village over about gearing up for a raid your local war lord might take what you say seriously vs dismissing you as some ist, ism or phobic.

As for free speech issue? How it different then now? Only difference is a warlord won't have the nsa and Google style and sized surveillance system to track your every word and action. Warlords would find it more difficult to squelch what folks say in secret. a battle of Athens type scenario to deal with sh it leaders is more possible in post collapse situation vs now in our hi tech society.


To keep stuff on topic this current crop of antifa and sjws exist because of technology. I remember life before the internet. The leftists tried get uppity during the 1990s and they were shut down because they lacked their current digital echo chambers. They had to learn how to vibe with normal people or else.
 
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exactly it's all about choice!

As for tribute? How that versus current system of taxes?

As for kowotwing. How that any different vs now? Like europe. If you defend your self against a migrant attack you will get legal charges. Not other way around.



At least if you say something about the next village over about gearing up for a raid your local war lord might take what you say seriously vs dismissing you as some ist, ism or phobic.

As for free speech issue? How it different then now? Only difference is a warlord won't have the nsa and Google style and sized to track your every word. Warlords would find it more difficult to squelch what folks say in secret. a battle of Athens type scenario to deal with sh it leaders is more possible in post collapse situation vs now in our hi tech society.


To keep stuff on topic this current crop of antifa and sjws exist because of technology. I remember life before the internet. The leftists tried get uppity during the 1990s and they were shut down because they lacked their current digital echo chambers. They had to learn how to vibe with normal people or else.
The difference is that the warlord can say "Fuck you, you're dead!" & have it carried out while the extent to which modern Western society can fuck with you for wrongthink is much more limited (until we turn into full China-esque commies then you get the worst of both worlds).
 
(until we turn into full China-esque commies then you get the worst of both worlds).
Where do you think world actually heading? ever heard of black sites? where government kidnap your ass and send you to some middle eastern allied country to torture you? What about assassination lists and drone strikes? Warrantless wire tapping? Who do you think is making the Chinese tech for social credit and surveillance? It's the americans. Guess where it's getting deployed after its tested and perfected in china?

Liberty isn't possible in a hi tech society. You want to fight antifa, the left and their rich shadowbrokers? Then you going have give up the comforts of technology. Technology what gives these folks the advantage
 
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Where do you think world actually heading? ever heard of black sites? where government kidnap your ass and send you to some middle eastern allied country to torture you? What about assassination lists and drone strikes? Warrantless wire tapping? Who do you think is making the Chinese tech for social credit and surveillance? It's the americans. Guess where it's getting deployed after its tested and perfected in china?

Liberty isn't possible in a hi tech society. You want to fight antifa, the left and their rich shadowbrokers? Then you going have give up the comforts of technology. Technology what gives these folks the advantage
This probably explains why the only other people AnComs love to make fun of more than anyone else are AnPrims
 
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OWS was the tipping point where the modern left became unrecoverable.... it was where intersectional IDPOL took over and any reform movement from the left became overrun with troons and ANTIFA and EVERY protest, regardless of original intent, became an SJW playground.

Not really. The only real commonality is that OWS was the point at which anarchists started increasingly dominating everything. They refuse to make any kind of formal organization, party, or structure of any kind and claim to be championing direct democracy. In reality, all those OWS camps and the like were run by a self-appointed clique of activists, usually from a wealthier background. Those anarchists call it Democracy, but Bakunin had a better word for it: the invisible dictatorship.

8 years ago, Antifa were mostly seen as lunatics by most of the far left since the reality that there was no "Fascist threat" was so self evidence that only a mentally ill 'tard would make the claim. The Anti-Germans come to mind, that's a lulzy rabbit hole to go down. Think German Antifa, but fanatically pro-Israel.

Identity politics really only started becoming king around the time of Gamergate. There were a few groups, mostly Trotskyists and Anarchists that were going full 'tard on it. Groups like the ISO(which no longer exist) and the British SWP were claiming that to criticize Erdogan, the right-wing strongman of Turkey is "Islamophobic". Otherwise, it really only came to a head after Trump's election.

The rise of Chapo Trap House and the DSA created a whole new thing. The vast majority of today's leftists weren't leftists back in 2011. There's some continuity with the insanity of groups like Antifa today with some of the shit that was going on earlier, but a lot of it is just brand new nonsense. It's appropriate that the beacons of intersectional feminism like Krenshaw came from the "new left" that emerged in the 1960's with things like the SDS. A lot of them became Maoists, then later just morphed into the SJW nonsense you see today, but that was largely confined to academia. It took Trump's election to unleash it on the mainstream.
 
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Not really. The only real commonality is that OWS was the point at which anarchists started increasingly dominating everything. They refuse to make any kind of formal organization, party, or structure of any kind and claim to be championing direct democracy. In reality, all those OWS camps and the like were run by a self-appointed clique of activists, usually from a wealthier background. Those anarchists call it Democracy, but Bakunin had a better word for it: the invisible dictatorship.

8 years ago, Antifa were mostly seen as lunatics by most of the far left since the reality that there was no "Fascist threat" was so self evidence that only a mentally ill 'tard would make the claim. The Anti-Germans come to mind, that's a lulzy rabbit hole to go down. Think German Antifa, but fanatically pro-Israel.

Identity politics really only started becoming king around the time of Gamergate. There were a few groups, mostly Trotskyists and Anarchists that were going full 'tard on it. Groups like the ISO(which no longer exist) and the British SWP were claiming that to criticize Erdogan, the right-wing strongman of Turkey is "Islamophobic". Otherwise, it really only came to a head after Trump's election.

The rise of Chapo Trap House and the DSA created a whole new thing. The vast majority of today's leftists weren't leftists back in 2011. There's some continuity with the insanity of groups like Antifa today with some of the shit that was going on earlier, but a lot of it is just brand new nonsense. It's appropriate that the beacons of intersectional feminism like Krenshaw came from the "new left" that emerged in the 1960's with things like the SDS. A lot of them became Maoists, then later just morphed into the SJW nonsense you see today, but that was largely confined to academia. It took Trump's election to unleash it on the mainstream.
Bolded the interesting part, because that was precisely what the Weather Underground tried to do back in the day with their Prairie Fire Organizing Committee; bring all the disparate radical groups under one umbrella, and under their control.

I guess people figured out how to do it better, because when the Weather Underground did it, it blew up in their faces and they got kicked out of their own conference.
 
The vast majority of today's leftists weren't leftists back in 2011.
This part resonated with me the most because I've noticed that too. A lot of the friends I made online in highschool back then we're pretty deep in the Chan culture of putting fag and nigger in just about everything they said but after about 2014 was when they all got Tumblr accounts then just about every one of the trooned out at the exact same time and became full out antifa sympathisers at best with one or two actually being part of it

Christ, what the fuck happened? I always knew that people changed but I didn't think they'd change that much
 
This part resonated with me the most because I've noticed that too. A lot of the friends I made online in highschool back then we're pretty deep in the Chan culture of putting fag and nigger in just about everything they said but after about 2014 was when they all got Tumblr accounts then just about every one of the trooned out at the exact same time and became full out antifa sympathisers at best with one or two actually being part of it

Christ, what the fuck happened? I always knew that people changed but I didn't think they'd change that much

The Incel-Troon pipeline is like KF 101 lore.
 
Not really. The only real commonality is that OWS was the point at which anarchists started increasingly dominating everything. They refuse to make any kind of formal organization, party, or structure of any kind and claim to be championing direct democracy. In reality, all those OWS camps and the like were run by a self-appointed clique of activists, usually from a wealthier background. Those anarchists call it Democracy, but Bakunin had a better word for it: the invisible dictatorship.

8 years ago, Antifa were mostly seen as lunatics by most of the far left since the reality that there was no "Fascist threat" was so self evidence that only a mentally ill 'tard would make the claim. The Anti-Germans come to mind, that's a lulzy rabbit hole to go down. Think German Antifa, but fanatically pro-Israel.

Identity politics really only started becoming king around the time of Gamergate. There were a few groups, mostly Trotskyists and Anarchists that were going full 'tard on it. Groups like the ISO(which no longer exist) and the British SWP were claiming that to criticize Erdogan, the right-wing strongman of Turkey is "Islamophobic". Otherwise, it really only came to a head after Trump's election.

The rise of Chapo Trap House and the DSA created a whole new thing. The vast majority of today's leftists weren't leftists back in 2011. There's some continuity with the insanity of groups like Antifa today with some of the shit that was going on earlier, but a lot of it is just brand new nonsense. It's appropriate that the beacons of intersectional feminism like Krenshaw came from the "new left" that emerged in the 1960's with things like the SDS. A lot of them became Maoists, then later just morphed into the SJW nonsense you see today, but that was largely confined to academia. It took Trump's election to unleash it on the mainstream.
Progressive stacking made its appearance at OWS though (along with creep call/response chanting that I'd only seen in weird christian cults up to then), which I'd pin as the genesis of the current iteration of IdPol bullshit. GG and its contemporaries are an emergent effect rather than a source.
 
Progressive stacking made its appearance at OWS though (along with creep call/response chanting that I'd only seen in weird christian cults up to then), which I'd pin as the genesis of the current iteration of IdPol bullshit. GG and its contemporaries are an emergent effect rather than a source.

It didn't first make it's appearance there, though.

This is the exact same thing as the Maoist tradition of "self-criticism" or "Speaking bitterness" essentially where "privileged" people(in the case of the former" would self-flaggelate and "oppressed" would condemn the privileged. This was cynically exploited by Chinese bureaucrats to execute people they found politically inconvenient or who stood in the way of their ambitions. This was really the whole purpose, as this entire thing was the bureaucrats' idea to begin with. "Cancelling" today is just a less lethal version of this, but it is the same thing in essence.

Arguably it has its genesis even earlier than that. At the 7th Congress of the Comintern in 1935, Georgi Dimitrov, the head of the organization, delivered a speech signaling the adoption of the "popular front". The essence of this policy was that communist parties in the west would stop trying to gain power and instead work with a coalition of feminist, liberal, worker, and anti-racist groups as part of a broad coalition against "fascism". It did not matter that there was no fascist movement in the US; then, just as Antifa is doing now, the CPUSA declared that the Republicans and their supporters were fascists who threatened "the gains of bougeois liberal-democratic liberty".

“The communists attack us,” say others. But listen, we have repeatedly declared: we shall not attack anyone, whether persons, organisations or parties, standing for the united front of the working class against the class enemy. But at the same time it is our duty, in the interests of the proletariat and its cause, to criticise those persons, organisations and parties that hinder unity of action by the workers.

The essence of the quote is essentially that one isn't allowed to criticize anyone who is "marginalized" or "oppressed" no matter how self-defeating and exceptional they are, since this would be 'letting the fascists win'. It was even CPUSA policy that in the fantasy scenario of them coming to power that they would balkanize the United States along racial lines and create a new black nation in the south.

Still, a good chunk, probably a majority of the American far left took its politics more from an early splinter of the CPUSA, the SWP(and its splinters) and weren't heavy into the identity politics. It took Maoism, the SDS, and the New Left of the 1960's for identity politics as we see it today to really start. Many of the grad students who embraced Maoism later abandoned it and jettisoned the Marxist aspect of it in favor of a pure identity politics, this was the background of the intersectional theorists like Krenshaw who created the theory that people like Antifa base their politics on. It was mostly a thing in Academia, however, until just recent years. To give you an idea of just how tiny and insignificant the old Marxist left was in the US, a decade ago the largest revolutionary Marxist organization in the country was the ISO, which had(it claimed) 2,000 members. In total, adding up all the sects there probably weren't much beyond about 10,000 self identified communists in the US as of 2009.

In comparison, something like the DSA, which has a heavy crossover with Antifa, has over 40,000 members. The old left is pretty much extinct, even the ISO just disbanded quite recently. They're all jumping ship to the likes of Antifa and the DSA, an organization so autistic that they banned clapping as "ableism" since it would be "upsetting to deaf or autistic comrades". All of this shit we're seeing today is based on the intersectional theorists who came out of the New Left, but as I said earlier intersectional theorists themselves are genealogically derived from Maoism, and from there, Soviet style Marxism-Leninism. This is why SJW's behave so similarly to how you'd expect Soviet bureaucrats to react to dissent and disagreement, it's not a coincidence, but the cult-like thing is a distinctly Maoist thing in origin. Look up Bob Avakian and the Revolutionary Communist Party, there's some lulzy stuff but you'll see that what we have now is just a rehash of shit like that.

I was present at a few OWS events in 2011, and frankly I did not see anything that really resembled the identity politics we see today. Neither did anyone else I know who went to different events elsewhere. I don't deny that some of that shit was present in some places, but I'm skeptical it was as prevalent as you seem to think it was. It wasn't until a few years later, 2013, or so, that I first started hearing about whacky idpol as a regular thing. I heard from some guy I knew in the Spartacist League that they had gone to a BLM rally somewhere in Michigan, but the group of people that went included both whites and blacks. The BLM organizers told them that they had to segregate themselves based on race and that they couldn't march together, at which point they were told to go fuck themselves.

I'm not really seeing a connection here between OWS and GG either. OWS was a handful of actual workers, mostly students, some wealthy liberals, hobos, junkies, and a random assortment of others across the entire country. GG just involved a handful of exceptional individuals, con artists, and neckbeards who bickered almost exclusively online. Any similarities are just incidental IMO. The obsession with weaponizing troon degeneracy also isn't something that really happened before GG either. The far left before the rise of Antifa and the election of Trump(or GG, at the earliest) didn't really give a shit about trannies, and when they did bother noticing them it was usually negative. Revleft, the main online hub of the far left before Reddit became popular only had one active troon on it. I know of a few of the 'old' generation leftists who trooned out, and each of them trooned out after Trump's election. Every single one. Not a coincidence.

TL; DR of it is that Antifa is just a highly autistic replay of things we've already seen play out multiple times, going back as far as to the 1930's in some cases.

I think the real question with Antifa is how long they will be tolerated before they become a liability to the Democrats. So long as they direct their energies exclusively against "fascists"(IE anyone to the right of Alexandria Ocasio Cortez), they're useful to the Dems. That changes if street violence starts spiraling out of control. Plus the whole thing with Black Bloc tactics is that any cop can just dress up in black and start trashing shit and instigate violence giving the police a pretext to crack down on them. Apparently Antifa's supporters are too exceptional to even think about this.

It will probably happen sooner or later, but in the meantime their incredible levels of autism give us plenty of fodder to laugh at.
 
What godforsaken class have you signed up for to have to read this and have a teacher like him?
It’s called Why History Matters. It’s a required course, the topics taught depend on the professor, and there was a single professor with an open slot for that class.

The moral here is to not wait until the last minute to pick classes.
 
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