Science No single ‘gay gene’ determines same-sex sexual behavior, DNA analysis finds

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A new study that analyzed the DNA of nearly half a million people has found that, while genetic differences play a significant role in sexual behavior, there is no single gene responsible.

The findings, which looked at behavior and not sexual identity, debunk the notion of a singular “gay gene.” Even when all tested genetic variants were taken into account, they collectively accounted for no more than a quarter of the same-sex behavior reported by the study participants.

Instead, the results published Thursday in the journal Science hint at the complex blend of factors that influence human sexuality, including society and the environment.

“The findings themselves reinforce this idea that diversity of sexual behavior across humanity is really a natural part of our overall diversity as a species,” said Benjamin Neale, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard and one of the study’s senior authors. “That’s a really meaningful and important result.”

Though estimates of same-sex experiences vary, a 2016 CDC study of U.S. adults found that 6.2% of men and 17.4% of women between the ages of 18 and 44 reported at least one same-sex experience in their lifetimes. A smaller portion, 1.3% of women and 1.9% of men, described themselves as lesbian or gay, and 5.5% of women and 2.0% of men said they were bisexual — underscoring the difference between sexual behavior and sexual identity.

Scientists have long probed the nature of same-sex behavior, finding some evidence in twin studies that genetics plays a role. But such research has typically involved small numbers of people and hasn’t used modern methods of genomic analysis, scientists said.

“I had seen some quite poor studies of small samples and false claims and things, so I was glad that finally this topic was examined in a very scientific way with a large sample,” said Melinda Mills, a social and molecular geneticist at the University of Oxford who was not involved in the work.

Neale and an international team of researchers performed what’s known as a genome-wide association study. That involves using statistical methods to search for connections between SNPs — single nucleotide polymorphisms, or individual differences in a single building block in the genetic code — and a particular trait.

Finding clear and verifiable patterns in genetic data requires a huge sample, and the scientists knew where to find it. They pulled 408,995 individual records from the UK Biobank as well as 68,527 records from the U.S.-based personal genomics company 23andMe. This gave them an overall sample size of 477,522 people, 26,827 of whom reported same-sex sexual behavior.

The researchers found two significant spots in the genome that were linked to same-sex behavior across people of both sexes. And when they analyzed male and female genomes separately, they found three more — two specifically for men and one specifically for women — bringing the total number of significant genetic markers up to five.

Nonetheless, when taken all together, these five locations on the genome could account for much less than 1% of same-sex sexual behavior on a population level, the researchers said.

Using a different analytical technique, the scientists found that, when taking into account all of the subtle influences of many, many markers across the genome that they did not specifically identify, genetics could potentially account for up to 8% to 25% of the population’s same-sex behavior. That’s because, in all likelihood, a huge and currently unknown number of genetic markers probably play infinitesimally tiny roles in shaping behavior, Neale said.

Another analysis in the paper, which did not focus on DNA but on familial relationships between 106,979 pairs of individuals, suggested that a slightly larger share of the variation in same-sex behavior, 32.4%, could be attributed to genetics. That number may take into account other complex genetic effects beyond SNPs, though it might also be influenced by some assumptions baked into the framework, the scientists said.

Among the five significant SNPs they found, the ones specific to men were linked to smell receptor genes, sensitivity to certain scents and regulation of sex hormones such as testosterone.

That finding “makes a certain amount of sense,” Neale said, “but again, we don’t have much more to say beyond that sort of high-level description.”

The incomplete overlap between the genetic markers linked to male and female same-sex behaviors is a sign that slightly different processes may be at work in men and women when it comes to sexual behavior. It may also speak to differing influences of gendered social norms, said Mills, who wrote a commentary on the results.

It certainly means that human sexuality is nowhere near as simplistic as some would like to believe, she added.

“There is an inclination to reduce sexuality to genetic determinism,” she wrote. In some cases, this view is intended to reduce the stigma associated with same-sex behavior; in others, it’s to classify it as pathological. But the findings show that while a host of genetic markers may help explain the underlying diversity of human sexual behavior, these markers are far too complex to either predict or prevent it.

If less than one-third of a population’s sexual behavior is linked to genetics, where does the rest come from? Environment, culture and other factors may play a significant role, Neale said.

It’s somewhat akin to traits like height, which have a certain genetic component but can also be influenced by a complex array of other factors, such as nutrition and environment.

Exactly which environmental and cultural factors play a role is unclear, because those are varied and complex and are much harder to pin down and study than specific genetic markers, the study authors said.

“The genome is a big place,” Neale said. Even so, he added, “we can systematically evaluate it like we do here. We have no comparable tool for thinking about the environment.”

The scientists also looked specifically at the “nonheterosexual” subjects in the study — those who had at least one same-sex experience — and asked them what proportion of their sexual partners were of the same sex. Responses varied across a six-point scale, from “other sex mostly” to “same sex only.”

In this respect, the researchers found, genetics had a stronger influence on same-sex behavior in men than in women.

They also saw that the genetic factors influencing the proportion of same-sex to other-sex partners a person had were different from the ones that separated those who had any same-sex experiences from those who had only other-sex experiences.

This means that the Kinsey scale and other frameworks for sexual behavior that assume that more same-sex attraction means less opposite-sex attraction are not accurate. They must be based on a misunderstanding or an oversimplification of the processes at work, the scientists said.

“From a genetic standpoint, there is no single [continuum] from opposite-sex to same-sex sexual behaviors,” said lead author Andrea Ganna, a human geneticist at the Institute of Molecular Medicine in Finland.

This confirmation of the wide diversity of sexual behavior echoes what the researchers said they heard in discussions of the results with representatives of the LGBTQ community.

“The LGBTQ-plus community has been arguing for a long time that there’s this range of sexualities; it’s not binary: zero and one,” Mills said. “I think that’s what those additional analyses show.”

The scientists were quick to point out that the findings were population-based and could not be applied on an individual level. They also warned that the work should not in any case be used to try to “convert” people who engage in same-sex behaviors, and that to consider doing so would be a gross misrepresentation of the study’s findings.

“Simply put, that is not an appropriate reflection or representation of the work that we’ve done,” Neale said.

Officials with GLAAD, an LGBTQ advocacy organization, praised the work.

“This new study provides even more evidence that that being gay or lesbian is a natural part of human life, a conclusion that has been drawn by researchers and scientists time and again,” GLAAD Chief Programs Officer Zeke Stokes said in a statement. The work “also reconfirms the long-established understanding that there is no conclusive degree to which nature or nurture influence how a gay or lesbian person behaves.”

Nancy Cox, a human geneticist at Vanderbilt University who was not involved in the study, praised the scientists for considering so many of the complexities inherent in the subject of sexual behavior.

“I hope we continue to think of this more the way we do many other kinds of behaviors that don’t have the drama and charge that these behaviors have often had,” Cox added.

The researchers acknowledged some limitations to the study. For example, the research focused mostly on individuals of European ancestry. It also did not include people whose biological sex and self-identified sex or gender did not match.

“The analyses do not include transgender persons, intersex persons, and other important persons and groups within the queer community,” the study authors wrote. “We hope that this limitation will be addressed in future work.”

Their findings are far from the final word on the unknown complexities of human sexuality, the researchers said.

“In a lot of ways, this work poses more questions than answers,” Neale said.
 
Anal sex is the term you're looking for. Something that heterosexuals engage in more frequently than homosexuals, given that half of all homosexuals don't have the needed parts to have anal sex in a way that transmits STIs.
AIDS couldn't have become a worldwide epidemic if people didn't bone so much, just like many other forms of STI. Guess we should ban all sex outside of marriage for health reasons, then.

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There’s a reason why AIDS originally broke out/was concentrated in the gay community.

You didn’t have hospital wards full of random whores dying of pneumonia. You did have gay men dropping like flies though.

And if you look at the scientific literature, almost 70% of homosexual men were recipients of anal sex within the past four weeks, according to this fairly typical study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4184502/

The corresponding rates of heterosexuals engaging in anal sex is around 30-40%. (As a lifetime occurrence, not in the past month!)


TLDR: Buttsex is nasty and can get you killed.
 
URL='https://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2/']Study upon study[/URL] conducted over several decades indicates that homosexual men are more inclined to molest children as well as experience (often homosexual) childhood sexual trauma. Heterosexual victims who are sexually abused tend to follow certain patterns that indicate arousal after trauma, or engage in hypersexual behavior to regain a sense of agency, which could help (partially) explain adult homosexuality influenced by childhood abuse. People are weird and crazy after getting diddled, who knew?

Not all homosexuality is caused by molestation, obviously, but it happens much more frequently per capita compared to hetero populations, even though the majority of child abuse is heterosexual because of the much larger population size. It's worth looking at the factors that contribute to this to mitigate future child abuse, just as it is crucial to examine markers for heterosexual abuse for patterns that lead to perpetrators.

Considering thousands of years of cultures and subcultures that allow pederasty to this day in some form or another, including the NAMBLA contingent that has coopted the gay rights movement after decades of lobbying, we can't pretend it's not an issue. Some parties clearly want to normalize and allow continued abuse of children under the guise of human rights advocacy and at the expense of law-abiding adults who happen to be homosexual.

I've found that most studies after around 2010, once social justice shit started really blowing up in academia, won't really examine this phenomenon anymore. Instead the authors contribute to a dishonest narrative that tries to sweep any LGBT-related scandal under the rug.

I'm sure we'll see more studies in the near future to indicate that homosexuality is a mix of nature and nurture, like most things seem to be. My guess is that these findings will likely be used to obfuscate controversial patterns in LGBT communities, like domestic violence among lesbians, mental health issues compared to the general population, autism diagnoses among trannies, and gay child molesters.
 
If we can figure out how to cure gay we'll be that much closer to eradicating AIDS. The other big leap will be figuring out how to cure melanin.

Are you sure you really want to “cure melanin”?

The upside: African Albinos will finally be safe from getting murdered by Black Africans. (Or they’ll all start killing each other to get that sweet gold that albinos have in their bones according to African folk beliefs.)

The downside: We’ll have a continent full of people looking like this:

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There’s a reason why AIDS originally broke out/was concentrated in the gay community.

You didn’t have hospital wards full of random whores dying of pneumonia. You did have gay men dropping like flies though.

And if you look at the scientific literature, almost 70% of homosexual men were recipients of anal sex within the past four weeks, according to this fairly typical study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4184502/

The corresponding rates of heterosexuals engaging in anal sex is around 30-40%. (As a lifetime occurrence, not in the past month!)


TLDR: Buttsex is nasty and can get you killed.
Thank you for attempting to correct me, but you will notice that I mentioned homosexuals, not homosexual men. I even explicitly pointed this out in the post you are responding to, and you seem to have missed it.
I'll move up a level: what business is it of yours what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes? That's where your pedo allegory falls apart: the vast majority of homosexuals are interested in adults, just like the vast majority of heterosexuals.
If you want to argue that the State should have the power to regulate homosexual behavior in the interest of the public's health, then it should be able to, for example, punish heterosexual couples for engaging in anal sex. If you want to argue that male homosexuals should be socially shamed and shunned for being a danger to the public health, then promiscuous or people who have an interest in "dangerous" sex (such as S&M and anal) should be shamed and shunned in general. And yet, when such laws were on the record, they were used almost exclusively against homosexuals.
 
twin studies have shown that there’s a moderate genetic factor as well.

Technically could just be environmental epigenetic factor, IE testosterone level in womb during pregnancy.

Anal sex is the term you're looking for. Something that heterosexuals engage in more frequently than homosexuals, given that half of all homosexuals don't have the needed parts to have anal sex in a way that transmits STIs.
AIDS couldn't have become a worldwide epidemic if people didn't bone so much, just like many other forms of STI. Guess we should ban all sex outside of marriage for health reasons, then.

The significant factor that you're not mentioning is the fact that homosexual men have vastly disproportionate amount of partners compared to heterosexuals and lesbians. The average number of sex partners in lifetime for gay men.

43% of homosexual men estimates that they have more than 500 sex partners
(28% of homosexual men estimates that they have more than 1000 sex partners)
(Note this is the Bell and Weinberg which didn't use the best sampling)

This means that the average lifetime partners of homosexual partners is north of 200 sex partners, whereas the average for heterosexual men and women in the same time period (80s) is somewhere around 8.

So it isn't just the method of sex, it's also the frequency of sex with different partners that contributes so significantly to STI's for gay men.
 
Gay is a serious mental disorder that needs fixin. These homos are spreading aids and causing the population to dwindle. If you push something enough people start to get involved. Gay was pushed so horrendously forceful that now everyone is "bi" and "i like boys and girls hehe". Its all a con by the deep state. Fight back!
 
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There’s a reason why AIDS originally broke out/was concentrated in the gay community.

You didn’t have hospital wards full of random whores dying of pneumonia. You did have gay men dropping like flies though.

And if you look at the scientific literature, almost 70% of homosexual men were recipients of anal sex within the past four weeks, according to this fairly typical study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4184502/

The corresponding rates of heterosexuals engaging in anal sex is around 30-40%. (As a lifetime occurrence, not in the past month!)


TLDR: Buttsex is nasty and can get you killed.
Let's be honest, it's not gays that are the disease-spreading degenerates. Remember where HIV originated from.

Africa
 
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Gay is a serious mental disorder that needs fixin. These homos are spreading aids and causing the population to dwindle. If you push something enough people start to get involved. Gay was pushed so horrendously forceful that now everyone is "bi" and "i like boys and girls hehe". Its all a con by the deep state. Fight back!

I seem to recall you saying you're pushing 300+ pounds. Perhaps we should ban fat fucks right along with faggotry. I don't want my tax dollars supporting your degenerate lifestyle and paying for your healthcare.
 
Isn't there some finger thing like gay men tend to have a short ring finger compared to straight men and lesbians tend to have a long ring finger compared to straight women so they theorize that it's how much testosterone the mother produces while pregnant.
 
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I seem to recall you saying you're pushing 300+ pounds. Perhaps we should ban fat fucks right along with faggotry. I don't want my tax dollars supporting your degenerate lifestyle and paying for your healthcare.
i fluctuate from 240-260. I was losing weight until an unfortunate tragedy struck my family.
 
I'm not fat! I'm big boned!

I'm not fat! I have a glandular problem!

I'm not fat! I retain water!

Am I missing any?
I am not making any excuses for my weight you faggot. I can and should get it under control.

Now pull the flaming dildo out of your gay ass and do something productive.
 
URL='https://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2/']Study upon study[/URL] conducted over several decades indicates that homosexual men are more inclined to molest children as well as experience (often homosexual) childhood sexual trauma. Heterosexual victims who are sexually abused tend to follow certain patterns that indicate arousal after trauma, or engage in hypersexual behavior to regain a sense of agency, which could help (partially) explain adult homosexuality influenced by childhood abuse. People are weird and crazy after getting diddled, who knew?

Not all homosexuality is caused by molestation, obviously, but it happens much more frequently per capita compared to hetero populations, even though the majority of child abuse is heterosexual because of the much larger population size. It's worth looking at the factors that contribute to this to mitigate future child abuse, just as it is crucial to examine markers for heterosexual abuse for patterns that lead to perpetrators.

Considering thousands of years of cultures and subcultures that allow pederasty to this day in some form or another, including the NAMBLA contingent that has coopted the gay rights movement after decades of lobbying, we can't pretend it's not an issue. Some parties clearly want to normalize and allow continued abuse of children under the guise of human rights advocacy and at the expense of law-abiding adults who happen to be homosexual.

I've found that most studies after around 2010, once social justice shit started really blowing up in academia, won't really examine this phenomenon anymore. Instead the authors contribute to a dishonest narrative that tries to sweep any LGBT-related scandal under the rug.

I'm sure we'll see more studies in the near future to indicate that homosexuality is a mix of nature and nurture, like most things seem to be. My guess is that these findings will likely be used to obfuscate controversial patterns in LGBT communities, like domestic violence among lesbians, mental health issues compared to the general population, autism diagnoses among trannies, and gay child molesters.

What do you think of the absolutely absurd argument I've heard more than once that men whose primary target of attraction is young boys are not properly called "homosexual" or "gay"? Have you heard these arguments? Basically, homosexual is redefined to include age appropriateness (thus being a No True Scotsman), or they say that they're actually straight except for their activities with minors; some quote statistics in the form of absolute numbers while forgetting that gay men make up like two percent of the population if that.
 
What do you think of the absolutely absurd argument I've heard more than once that men whose primary target of attraction is young boys are not properly called "homosexual" or "gay"? Have you heard these arguments? Basically, homosexual is redefined to include age appropriateness (thus being a No True Scotsman), or they say that they're actually straight except for their activities with minors; some quote statistics in the form of absolute numbers while forgetting that gay men make up like two percent of the population if that.
Yeah I hear that one all the time. "They aren't gay, they're pedos!" But yet pedos who consistently target the same sex, and also have adult same sex interests. 🤔 Interestingly no one makes the same kind of excuse for men who abuse little girls. "He's not straight, despite being married, he's a pedo!" I can't imagine anyone going to that trouble. Most curious.
 
We need to find a way to turn incels gay so that they finally have sex with each other and not be incel.

And if they all die of AIDS it's still a net gain.
 
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What do you think of the absolutely absurd argument I've heard more than once that men whose primary target of attraction is young boys are not properly called "homosexual" or "gay"? Have you heard these arguments? Basically, homosexual is redefined to include age appropriateness (thus being a No True Scotsman), or they say that they're actually straight except for their activities with minors; some quote statistics in the form of absolute numbers while forgetting that gay men make up like two percent of the population if that.

Yeah, I've seen studies, articles, etc. redefining homosexual pedophilia to be separate from adult homosexuality, while the same treatment isn't really given to heterosexual cases of pedophilia, or it's treated as assumed from a blanket statement about pedos maintaining adult relationships to get close to children. In my opinion, it obfuscates questions that could use answers.

For example, it's difficult to find conclusive information (at least in my experience) about how often pedophiles' victims vary in sex from their adult sexual activity (consensual or otherwise). If there are such studies, they would likely have to rely on self-reporting. If we use common sense, it's easy to say that pedos will obviously have spouses and families, if only to cover for their horrific paraphilias and provide plausible deniability, like many other types of violent criminals do. There are also quite a few single men who pursue pedophilia exclusively, but it's hard to say how much of the pedo population does this, and what the percentages are for that group abusing boys and girls.

While typing this up, something I've been wanting to find information on is the overlap between gay men in lavender marriages and married men who sexually abuse young boys. It's also hard to find solid stats about the overlap between celibacy (religious or otherwise), homosexuality, and pedophilia unless you want to get redirected to news articles about Catholic priests. More questions that could use scrutiny that is lost under blanket statements.

I see similar claims made about transgender people, mostly the women, if only because there are more MTFs. They're treated as "not really trans/LGBT" when one commits a violent or sexual crime a lot of the time but exonerated for their stunning bravery if they were creepy men who decided to "transition".

There's definitely a trend among LGBT activists to disown the bad apples and shift the goalposts to exclude them, while the same treatment isn't really given to the heterosexual population. After all, no one says "that guy's not really straight" when a man rapes a woman or girl. It's a weird double standard that doesn't get enough scrutiny and instead makes it more difficult to get accurate, useful information about demographics among sexual predators as a whole.
 
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