Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

[Marissa Moira]

Did I miss something here? Since when do we accuse people of murder because some weak-willed moron killed himself over internet shit? Isn't that the same kind of ridiculous disingenuous accusation that we usually laugh at anytime a tranny hangs herself and we get blamed?

Also what kind of circlejerking MRA clubhouse has this become when any rape allegation is automatically dismissed as "LOL COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE HAPPENED, CLEARLY A LIE TO DESTROY A MAN'S LIFE". I mean, I think it's wrong to blindly accept accusations as the truth but y'all are pretty much doing the opposite by blindly dismissing them. It's entirely plausible that this guy tried to rape her and it should be taken seriously. Hell it's more than plausible ; she's an attractive woman and he was a male feminist.

Whole lotta feels over reals going on in this thread. You're acting no better than a socjus twitter mob.

I feel that this is a boy who cried wolf situation.

We don't know if Alec really did rape someone but the people saying he did are known liars so people don't believe them after the umpteenth time that they lied.

 

[HG 400]

Alec belongs in a mental hospital for treatment.
Zoe belongs in prison.

We don't put people in prison for opening up about somebody abusing them. If he got driven to suicide it was because his friends and family abandoned him and a lynchmob of outraged twitter faggots hounded him into it (and probably his guilty conscience). Zoe Quinn is not responsible for people behaving like this. All she did was speak out.

It's grossly hypocritical that we were the first people to laugh at the idea that we should be blamed for Chloe Sagal or Julie Terryberry or Elizabeth Waite's suicides just for talking about them, yet as soon as the shoe is on the other foot we're going to treat Zoe like a murderess just for making a tweet about the abuse she suffered.

You sound like an incel, tbh. Victims aren't obligated to cover up their abusers crimes to protect them from people getting mad about it.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

Pardon, WHAT?

It's Dynastia, no sources are needed

 

[Useless Idiot]

Sure, she has a history of lying. And Alec has a history of sexually assaulting other feminists. It's plausible that he raped her and it's plausible that she lied. Why are people so invested in deciding this case instead of just accepting 'I guess either is possible'.

What other feminists did he sexually assault? I haven't heard anything about this. Is there some other source?

 

[HG 400]

If I do believe her, it won't put an innocent man in prison.

Then it won't put him in a coffin either and everyone should calm down lol.

 

[Zaragoza]

Obviously the guy wasn't a saint, but it's no surprise if he was mentally ill and volatile that getting called an abuser to the entire internet would cause this.

Yup, the idea of losing your entire career, friends, everything you worked hard for and the possibility of going to jail would fuck anybody over mentally, especially for people with past mental disorders. Zoe knew this and worked it out flawlessly on this kid.

 

[CamelCursive]

Then it won't put him in a coffin either and everyone should calm down lol.

Everyone is calm. You're just begging people to stop deriding you.

 

[FallOfGrumps]

We don't put people in prison for opening up about somebody abusing them. If he got driven to suicide it was because his friends and family abandoned him and a lynchmob of outraged twitter faggots hounded him into it (and probably his guilty conscience). Zoe Quinn is not responsible for people behaving like this. All she did was speak out.

It's grossly hypocritical that we were the first people to laugh at the idea that we should be blamed for Chloe Sagal or Julie Terryberry or Elizabeth Waite's suicides just for talking about them, yet as soon as the shoe is on the other foot we're going to treat Zoe like a murderess just for making a tweet about the abuse she suffered.

You sound like an incel, tbh. Victims aren't obligated to cover up their abusers crimes to protect them from people getting mad about it.

She knew exactly what would happen when she came out in public. If she wanted a support system their were other options that didn't involve destroying a man's life to the point of suicide. She ran out of money, and needed the attention. There is no other reason to do this on twitter.

 

[ElAbominacion]

Everything is made clear

 

[HG 400]

Everything is made clear

No it was already pretty clear that y'all don't respect women.

 

[CamelCursive]

She knew exactly what would happen when she came out in public. If she wanted a support system their were other options that didn't involve destroying a man's life to the point of suicide. She ran out of money, and needed the attention. There is no other reason to do this on twitter.

There's also this thing that bothers me.

Let's just say "Bob" is a rapist.

Are you going to call Bob out on Twitter, or have police investigate Bob? Because only one of those things ensures Bob won't be free to rape again.

If you chose "Twitter", then sympathy from the internet is more important to you than other girls not getting raped.

 

[Jaimas]

Untrustworthy women also get raped. There's nothing wrong with taking her claims with a grain of salt but automatically dismissing them as false is no different from being part of a mindless socjus mob that 'believes all women'.

Highlighting this one for the newcomers.

There's an important lesson in here: That the larger context of this is bigger than Quinn herself.

Alec did, after all, have more than his share of skeletons in his closet as well. His issues were, as they say, something of a known commodity, as evidenced by the huge number of people in his circle of friends willing to go on about how awful he always was. That sort of shit happens a lot in these groups, as we learned from Randi Harper, who revealed that several of them were keeping these massive logbooks on one another so they were fully prepared in the event someone got excommunicated for wrongthink.

In this particular case, evidence suggests Alec had problems with allegations long before Quinn voiced her little MeToo analogue. She just took advantage of what was there. And that's an important distinction to make, honestly. Quinn is absolutely a piece of shit. The huge number of harassment campaigns she's known to have engaged in, the fucking ridiculous amount of times she's done the exact shit she's complained about to other people, the way she's used (and will continue to use) people, and fuck them over for her own amusement are all things that deserve derision and ridicule. But while one can certainly argue that she has culpability in this case, one cannot make the argument that Quinn herself intentionally killed Alec - all she did was point a finger.

Her supporters, Alec's so-called friends, and Alec's own issues did the rest from there.

 

[PlasticOwls]

We don't put people in prison for opening up about somebody abusing them. If he got driven to suicide it was because his friends and family abandoned him and a lynchmob of outraged twitter faggots hounded him into it (and probably his guilty conscience). Zoe Quinn is not responsible for people behaving like this. All she did was speak out.

It's grossly hypocritical that we were the first people to laugh at the idea that we should be blamed for Chloe Sagal or Julie Terryberry or Elizabeth Waite's suicides just for talking about them, yet as soon as the shoe is on the other foot we're going to treat Zoe like a murderess just for making a tweet about the abuse she suffered.

You sound like an incel, tbh. Victims aren't obligated to cover up their abusers crimes to protect them from people getting mad about it.

Im not denying the hypocrisy of our condemnation of Zoe Quinn. What I am going to say is that the circumstances and timing surrounding her call out makes everything seem pretty disingenuous.

 

[CamelCursive]

No it was already pretty clear that y'all don't respect women.

I don't respect anyone based on their anatomy. I respect them based on their actions.

Now give me one reason to respect her.

 

[ElAbominacion]

No it was already pretty clear that y'all don't respect women.

I respect women. Thankfully, Zoe Quinn is not a woman.

So they can get ass-fucked on Satan's trident for all I fucking care.

 

[Duke-Diggler]

We don't put people in prison for opening up about somebody abusing them. If he got driven to suicide it was because his friends and family abandoned him and a lynchmob of outraged twitter faggots hounded him into it (and probably his guilty conscience). Zoe Quinn is not responsible for people behaving like this. All she did was speak out.

It's grossly hypocritical that we were the first people to laugh at the idea that we should be blamed for Chloe Sagal or Julie Terryberry or Elizabeth Waite's suicides just for talking about them, yet as soon as the shoe is on the other foot we're going to treat Zoe like a murderess just for making a tweet about the abuse she suffered.

You sound like an incel, tbh. Victims aren't obligated to cover up their abusers crimes to protect them from people getting mad about it.

Again, all of her accounts of "abuse" turned out to be false and she has been shown to be a complete sociopath time and time again, with her literally getting away with it. No one is suggesting KF should throw people in jail. I am basically suggesting what she truly deserves because of her nature of being callous and having no sympathy to people she's affected. She's not speaking out, she's literally stirring shit up so she could ruin people she doesn't like. If that's the case, the person who was sexually assaulted by Zoe must be believed as well, right?

The difference from what I see between KF and Zoe, is that KF laughs at people while also providing actual proof of either their exceptionalism or scumbag behavior. The other difference is that KF only laughs at people. Her opposition is just people criticizing her. Zoe's goal is to ruin every person's life that opposes her and will stop at nothing but to get a person fired and have their monetary prospects tank. KF will laugh at you for being stupid, but from what I see, they NEVER try to ruin your life.

The same could be said with you sounding like a white knight who will instantly believe what a person says despite many instances where people like Zoe lie for their own personal gains. If you know anything from the internet, is that people lie all the time. Some are little lies but others are huge.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I feel that this is a boy who cried wolf situation.

We don't know if Alec really did rape someone but the people saying he did are known liars so people don't believe them after the umpteenth time that they lied.

If you unzoefy her claims, it's likely that she just lived at his place while he paid for it, like a couple. They had sex like couples do, and perhaps some arguments as well, charged ones even, they might've been mutually abusive. Eventually she hopped to another dick and left him behind, after which he got psychological help he needed.
It's obvious that Alec was mentally vulnerable. Recently this whore decided to tell the world that he raped her, in the usual for her manner - for clout. Alec gets slandered as a rapist, probably knowing what that means in today's world, while his employee fires him, affirming his fears. So he ends himself.

I knew that "Zoe Quinn" was a despicable, vile cunt, but this is next level.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

No it was already pretty clear that y'all don't respect women.

Hey I drink 8 cups of respect women juices each day.

Zoe is not a woman so I don't have to respect her.

 

[CamelCursive]

In this particular case, evidence suggests Alec had problems with allegations long before Quinn voiced her little MeToo analogue. She just took advantage of what was there.

Ever wonder why everyone who claims to be abducted by aliens always describes them as looking similar?

Either it's A- because those aliens are real, or B- Because they already have something familiar to work with when creating their narrative and give them some degree of "cred"...

Kinda like the old Camel Spider stories from Iraq, where guys claimed they were bigger than a dinner plate because they saw a picture of one held close to the camera to look large- when in fact, they're only about the size of a man's hand in the largest cases.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

We don't put people in prison for opening up about somebody abusing them.

It's called slander and while it doesn't put you in jail, it's punished by law.