Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

[Jaimas]

Alec killing himself was a fucking tragedy. But do you know what was just as bad? Him being surrounded by "friends" that, rather than take his side, immediately threw him under the bus so they wouldn't be caught in the crossfire. A family that wouldn't stand up for him and publicly condemned him as guilty. All while a legion of shrieking autists called for his head and demanded he kill himself (go look at the ResetERA thread if you want to see that shit in real time), and all without so much as a scrap of evidence was dropped beyond a few anecdotes.

For all I know, he was completely innocent. If I'm wrong about that and there's evidence on that one, please, correct me, I'm not too proud to admit that's a possibility. What I do know is that between the offensives he was facing down and whatever went on in his own life, Alec found something he decided he couldn't live with.

I will reiterate what I said: While she is absolutely culpable, and fully deserves any and all contempt one can leverage, Quinn did not kill this man. She merely gave the word and the outrage mob, Alec's own friends, and Alec himself did the rest.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

anyone know why Quinn would try to cancel alec in the first place?

People were getting attention and she wanted some. The end.

She didn't know (or lets be real care...) what happened next, she just needed the hit of attention and then whatever happened happened.

 

[Stielhandgranate]

anyone know why Quinn would try to cancel alec in the first place?

There are multiple answers to this. The one you should focus on is that some people only care about making more publicity for themselves no matter the cost.

edit: nevermind someone wrote the same response at the exact same time

People were getting attention and she wanted some. The end.

She didn't know (or lets be real care...) what happened next, she just needed the hit of attention and then whatever happened happened.

 

[babaGAReeb]

did this guy actually do anything?

its a little difficult to believe his entire family turned against him just cause of one accusation but his sister does seem like a huge cunt

 

[YourMommasBackstory]

so Zoe got alec because he was a weak man. If Alec were stronger he could probably go Fullmetal on his game company and Zoe for defamation right?

He couldn't win in this game in any possible way.

You are silent - thats because you know you are guilty.
You try to sue people for accusations - thats because you are powerful white man, who making survivers to be silent by police.
You off yourself - because you couldn't live with your guilt.
You go on twitter and talk about this - nah, we believe woman, sorry.

They have a strict power dynamic in their mind - woman can't abuse man, man can't be a victim of abusive woman. They doesn't care what a law will say - they believe police will defend only priveleged people.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

Did I miss something here? Since when do we accuse people of murder because some weak-willed moron killed himself over internet shit? Isn't that the same kind of ridiculous disingenuous accusation that we usually laugh at anytime a tranny hangs herself and we get blamed?

Also what kind of circlejerking MRA clubhouse has this become when any rape allegation is automatically dismissed as "LOL COULDN'T POSSIBLY HAVE HAPPENED, CLEARLY A LIE TO DESTROY A MAN'S LIFE". I mean, I think it's wrong to blindly accept accusations as the truth but y'all are pretty much doing the opposite by blindly dismissing them. It's entirely plausible that this guy tried to rape her and it should be taken seriously. Hell it's more than plausible ; she's an attractive woman and he was a male feminist.

Whole lotta feels over reals going on in this thread. You're acting no better than a socjus twitter mob.

There seems to be enough to suggest this guy tried to improve his life, get help and work towards moving on from any mistakes he may have made. You can still laugh at any shit he did in his life, but most of the time the farms seems to back off people who try to change or better themselves.

I haven't been on the farms for as long as most, but often it seems mockery, laughing and documenting the hysteria of many who actively engage in grifting, stealing, lying, manipulating and abusing their audiences acts as education or a wake up call for those targetted. Not simply a suicide request. Many lolcows have a rainbow of mental illnesses but how many of these lolcows actually try and get help and/or stay off the fucking internet with their exceptionalism instead of broadcasting themselves to millions?

Sure, maybe some have ended their own lives and people here have laughed, but chances are those people went out assholes with no self-reflection or listening to anyone who tried to tell them to stop being lolcows. If it wasn't this dude, it'll be someone else. Quinn is a drama wrecking-ball, not simply the victim everyone says she always is.

There's layers to this and I believe even autists and assburgers can have empathy. When it's deserved/worthy of.

 

[FuckingWhiteMale]

I believe he was guilty.

However.

Quinn is an industry-protected abuser, and has caused no end of suffering. The Zoe Post was a MeToo moment before MeToo was a thing, and the gaming journalist cabal attacked the victim in a way they'd decry today. They are hypocrites, through and through, and until Quinn is torn from their pedestal and cast aside as the abuser they are, nothing they say can ever be taken with even an ounce of merit.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

did this guy actually do anything?

its a little difficult to believe his entire family turned against him just cause of one accusation but his sister does seem like a huge cunt

tbh probably, I'll be fed shit for this again but the reality of the situation is that the majority of these "indies" tend to be freaks and creeps to varying degrees and they all know about it, covering for each other until the time comes to stop. While a decent case could be made that literally everyone who was in contact with him, including family members, are so brainwashed by feminism, social justice and the worldview celebrity that is Zoe Quinn, the truth was he probably was someone who, if not did do something, behaved enough like someone who would where it didn't strike most of the people around him as a surprise.

 

[bbfx]

did this guy actually do anything?

He was accused of being a bad boyfriend. He probably was some level of bad boyfriend, as Zoe was a bad, abusive and toxic girlfriend. Even if he was a bad boyfriend, he didn't deserve to die because of it.
I had my share of bad boyfriends, and even if I'm happy I don't spend my time with them anymore I also don't want their life to be ruined, and I don't go out of my way to make sure they kill themselves.

 

[thejackal]

Alec killing himself was a fucking tragedy. But do you know what was just as bad? Him being surrounded by "friends" that, rather than take his side, immediately threw him under the bus so they wouldn't be caught in the crossfire. A family that wouldn't stand up for him and publicly condemned him as guilty. All while a legion of shrieking autists called for his head and demanded he kill himself (go look at the ResetERA thread if you want to see that shit in real time), and all without so much as a scrap of evidence was dropped beyond a few anecdotes.

For all I know, he was completely innocent. If I'm wrong about that and there's evidence on that one, please, correct me, I'm not too proud to admit that's a possibility. What I do know is that between the offensives he was facing down and whatever went on in his own life, Alec found something he decided he couldn't live with.

I will reiterate what I said: While she is absolutely culpable, and fully deserves any and all contempt one can leverage, Quinn did not kill this man. She merely gave the word and the outrage mob, Alec's own friends, and Alec himself did the rest.

I mean was it really? Dude is a weak willed person in many ways. He associated with Quinn in the 1st place then rather than stand up for himself he just offs himself?

I don't really see this as a tragedy. I see this as really fucked up moronic people playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes. This isn't some grand morality tale it's more a cautionary tale about being careful about who you associate with and checking yourself out is the weak man's way out. Yea he was going to be ostracised from the industry -- boo hoo. There's a million other reasons to continue living. Including that now he's given Zoe the satisfaction of another notch on her belt.

@KillThemCrackasBabies -- right, and knowing that, the dude still wasn't prepared in any way or didn't check himself at any point? Come on.

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

The reality of the situation is that if you believe Zoe you must also believe the Zoe Post, but the latter is dismissed as trolling from a jilted ex.

Even if Alec hadn't killed himself Zoe's fandom has shown they never have a shit about standing up to abuse, only about kissing ass.

 

[Irwin M. Felcher]

It's basically the same as the accusations against the Cultist Simulator and Sunless Sea dev.

wait the what

Jesus fucking Christ. Bad day's gotten worse.

 

[Jaimas]

anyone know why Quinn would try to cancel alec in the first place?

Short version? Money.

Quinn's been on a long decline for a while, and while she's always historically had someone willing to catch her, even cursory examination of her Patreon shows she's been on a long, gradual decline. With Feminist Frequency going under (they went bankrupt this year) and multiple game journalism outlets collapsing, Quinn's been seeing both her economic and social power vanish - not because her followers are any less devoted to her, but because the world is changing all around them, and the power structure they were relying upon to maintain this is slowly fading away.

The Metoo angle was one of the few avenues left that she could use to bolster her profile without harm because she still has enough clout to pull it off and all her followers will cheerfully bite into her victim narratives, evidence notwithstanding.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

We don't need to be reminded of what Chelsea actually said because it doesn't matter. Remember why babe.net magazine died? They ran and published an article about a woman who was "raped" by a known comedian. Turns out, no raped happened, it was just a bad date in which the woman in question felt used after the consensual sex they had. And it's not remotely the only case of women claiming anything can be rape. They're moved the definition of rape so everybody can be a "survivor".

Aria Argento, the latter of which had relations with an underage kid and then paid him hush money.

There are some rumours and one article discussing how the abused she caused to Bourdain could have been a factor in his death. Of course, nobody talks about it because she's a "victim".

It wasn't just that he gave them the opportunity to fuck him for advancement, he also tried to destroy their lives if they refused.

That ain't a crime though. If destroying the life of a bitch who won't comply is a crime, every woman would be in jail.

I'm more referring to your implication that the general public knows or gives a fuck about GG.

The general public doesn't know, but when they find out through people like us, they side with GG.

"almost killed myself"

There is anything this bitch will finish? smh

 

[ZehnBoat]

'member how the indie scene was a bit more friendly and everyone sort of got along
lol that's done for

if i was an indie dev i wouldn't associate with any other dev, who knows what abuse cunt you'll end up with with
time to let it all burn

 

[FuckingWhiteMale]

The reality of the situation is that if you believe Zoe you must also believe the Zoe Post, but the latter is dismissed as trolling from a jilted ex.

Even if Alec hadn't killed himself Zoe's fandom has shown they never have a shit about standing up to abuse, only about kissing ass.

This. This is what you turn against the insidious shits. Either you believe ALL abuse survivors, or you're a hack that doesn't give a damn about 'social justice'.

Oh, and Quinn's economic exploitation and emotional abuse of transgender abuse survivors.

 

[Frosted Snowflakes]

Quarter Pounder The Third

 

[babaGAReeb]

tbh probably, I'll be fed shit for this again but the reality of the situation is that the majority of these "indies" tend to be freaks and creeps to varying degrees and they all know about it, covering for each other until the time comes to stop. While a decent case could be made that literally everyone who was in contact with him, including family members, are so brainwashed by feminism, social justice and the worldview celebrity that is Zoe Quinn, the truth was he probably was someone who, if not did do something, behaved enough like someone who would where it didn't strike most of the people around him as a surprise.

can anyone be that brainwashed, to turn on your own kin instantly just cause some pink haired bitch said he was a rapist

yeah i too think he probably did something to make people believe the accusations were true but its still too stupid to just believe with zero evidence

He was accused of being a bad boyfriend. He probably was some level of bad boyfriend, as Zoe was a bad, abusive and toxic girlfriend. Even if he was a bad boyfriend, he didn't deserve to die because of it.
I had my share of bad boyfriends, and even if I'm happy I don't spend my time with them anymore I also don't want their life to be ruined, and I don't go out of my way to make sure they kill themselves.

bad boyfriend wtf? i thought it was rape or something

they all turned on him for something like this?

 

[Buer]

If Alec's friends were parasties like Zoe I can get them abandoning him based on accusations alone but what about his family? I've known family to defend/forgive family members for heinous shit so I have to wonder if his family is that heartless or if he really was that awful of a person that his own family isn't even on his side.