Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

[Snes9x]

Yes.

It's still shit, but good god, it's substantially less shit. They routinely shit-talk ERA now.

Yeah it's still shit but at least it's more tolerable than ResetEra. And to think that I would see posts like this on NeoGaf brings me some hope to that god forsaken site.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Is it poor taste to say I didn't care for Night in the Woods on this thread?

No, but it's mildly off-topic.

 

[Egg Basket]

So boys, how long before Ms. Valkenburg decides to start posting death threats here to point at and say, "this is why I need money?"

As soon as she figures out a way to be the most dramatic about it.

 

[Man of the Sea]

No, it does not.
I do think she is morally responsible, to some degree, but she didn't try to assassinate him, asked people to go kill him, or manipulated him into killing himself (like Michelle Carter with her boyfriend, for example).
She technically didn't even encourage people to go harass him.
She made a post about him on social media. He killed himself.

If being a cunt on the internet was the same as hiring someone to kill a person, we'd all be in jail.

The thing is, I would agree with you if Zoe is not acquainted with Alec at all. The problem is it seems they at least had some kind of intimate history that leads me to believe that she at least knows the issues Alec has gone through. Us being cunts is just that: name-calling and gathering of information, but we at least as a collective agree that we won't actively encourage them to kill themselves.

Zoe knew Alec personally, was intimate with this person, probably fucked this person, and is involved with his social circle of game devs.She specifically named him and not the person who sexually assaulted her, which in my book tells me she sees Alec as either A) non-incriminating towards herself, or b) someone she wants to go after because of a previous vendetta she might had.

 

[ComedyEnjoyer]

So boys, how long before Ms. Valkenburg decides to start posting death threats here to point at and say, "this is why I need money?"

I don't know man, but let's just say Zoe better not put me in a self defense situation in Minecraft.

 

[Fapcop]

If Chelsea is smart, she’ll lay very low for a good six months or so, write a book or something, and then come back with “what she has learned”.

Her media buddies would interview her and give her thinkpieces to write: “From GamerGate to #Metoo. The politics of sex and violence.”

With lines like:

“The past six months have been very hard for me. I got accused of causing a mans death, and it inspired me to write a book. About the conversations we need in the age of #metoo, and how to have them.”

Fortunately Chelsea is a dumb cow who never had the skills to match her ambitions, and therefore always defaulted to whoring her way forwards.

I’d say she’ll most likely pull the victim card in a week or two: “I’m getting death threats you guys!”

Fortunately she might not weasel her way out of this one.

 

[Maggots on a Train v2]

Jesus fucking Christ, the people on twitter blaming Alec for being selfish in his suicide. These are the same kind of people who then sperg out at you for "victim blaming"

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Also, fuck me it really hit me how much Zoe and her ilk are just people who have never managed to mature past a high school mentality. I think this is a curse that a lot of millennials have to deal with now. Being people in 30+ year old bodies with the minds of high schoolers. Thinking in simplistic terms and talking like idiots. Social media has truly destroyed society.

It's true. Part of growing up is learning that it's embarrassing to spill your relationship spaghetti everywhere, because you probably fucked up as well, and it reflects badly on you if you really did date a psycho or fuckup. Everybody is supposed to bury this shit as an adult.

This will sound demented but it's almost as if these mentally unwell women get raped but stay with these guys and put the "he raped me" card in their back pocket for when they're done with whatever they want/need out of the relationship, and then whip it out to destroy them. Hell, the guy might not even know they raped her, the concept that a woman could be not consenting in her head but feel too scared to vocalize it actually exists in those circles of people.

As societies liberalise sexually more and more I think we will truly be exposed to the depths of sadism and power-wielding that women have at their disposal.

I think the problem is that any dumb, self-centered asshole can turn a failed relationship into "abuse" or "my girl/boyfriend was crazy" after it's over. We all compromise on things as long as we're getting fucked, but as soon as the benefits gravy train is over, it's easy to rescind all those compromises that were acceptable at the time. Sane people go through the process a few times and learn to STFU.

 

[Fapcop]

me she sees Alec as either A) non-incriminating towards herself, or b) someone she wants to go after because of a previous vendetta she might had.

You forget C: Use the callout to get attention and reestablish her position as the game industry’s preeminent brave and courageous victim.

 

[bbfx]

Zoe knew Alec personally, was intimate with this person, probably fucked this person, and is involved with his social circle of game devs.She specifically named him and not the person who sexually assaulted her, which in my book tells me she sees Alec as either A) non-incriminating towards herself, or b) someone she wants to go after because of a previous vendetta she might had.

I think what she did to him is immoral, and she is in part responsible for his death. I believe she should have thought about the ramifications of going on social media and saying to her army of furries "this guy is an evil rapist and a meanie!". But she's not legally responsible for his death to any degree.
She sacrificed him to gain social media clout. It's despicable. But making a critical post on social media is not a crime, even if someone kills himself out of it.
He's the only one responsible for his death, legally.

 

[Trans Fat 41g]

Wow, I let life slow me down and I miss this much? Holy fuck, I always saw Zoe as purely a coward but just another thing to convince me that cursed people do truly exist.

 

[Jack Awful]

I think what she did to him is immoral, and she is in part responsible for his death. I believe she should have thought about the ramifications of going on social media and saying to her army of furries "this guy is an evil rapist and a meanie!". But she's not legally responsible for his death to any degree.
She sacrificed him to gain social media clout. It's despicable. Making a critical post on social media is not a crime, even if someone kills himself out of it.
He's the only one responsible for his death, legally.

Plus, it's not like his family would testify against Zoe.

 

[blackboots]

Actually, instead of the "she knew him personally" route, I wonder if her so-called "expertise and experience" in mental health could lead to her having higher standards of culpability. SJWs always say "leaders" have to be more careful what they say or else they magically sic mobs on their foes. That's supposedly the entire theory behind "Gamergate misogynists harass women and take marching orders from Milo and the alt-right."

Inasmuch as better help was shit because they just took money without much if any vetting (and ditto all the YouTubers promoting it) there's a reason states and Canada certify even basic psych workers.

You could make a strong case that because she projects herself as a virtuous vanguard and advocate; that means she has to be held to higher standards than a normal person, and can't say things recklessly without consideration for full consequences. Just as there is legal standing that if someone reaches out to you on crisis, you are supposed to do your best to help. In the case of girlfriend/boyfriend, it's much more difficult to say the woman wasn't at her own ropes' end. But since Chelsea unprovoked brought up something 6 years old, that is certainly not the case, nor could she feel it was self defense or that of another, even by her own words.

 

[Man of the Sea]

I think what she did to him is immoral, and she is in part responsible for his death. I believe she should have thought about the ramifications of going on social media and saying to her army of furries "this guy is an evil rapist and a meanie!". But she's not legally responsible for his death to any degree.
She sacrificed him to gain social media clout. It's despicable. But making a critical post on social media is not a crime, even if someone kills himself out of it.
He's the only one responsible for his death, legally.

I agree in the end Alec took his own life, however, I would use the analogy of a drunk person hitting someone with a car. The intent might not be to kill someone, but Zoe sure as hell set up the situation that might happen without thinking about the possible ramifications of her own actions.

 

[bbfx]

Plus, it's not like his family would testify against Zoe.

Yeah.
Even if his family liked him (which doesn't seem to be the case for this poor Canadian bastard), it'd be hard to prove that Zoe was lying when she accused him, and that he killed himself because of those false accusations.

 

[Davis O'Shaughnessy]

So, will this get memoryholed, or will it blow up in the press? On one hand, Zoe is (literally) in bed with a lot of tabloid writers, on the other hand... man, this is the MOTHERLOAD of all clickbait articles. If the lefty crowd is really cannibalizing itself like it seems, what are the chances that Zoe will be sacrificed next?

 

[AnAccount]

Yeah it's still shit but at least it's more tolerable than ResetEra. And to think that I would see posts like this on NeoGaf brings me some hope to that god forsaken site.

What's honestly happening with these 'sjws' nowadays. They seem to be throwing larger and larger public fits over random stuff on twitter, and getting just this general support vibe in mainstream outlets, but, I just don't 'see' your average 'sjw' anywhere online except for twitter when there's a controversy, or their random online dens. I'm not the type that restricts myself to places like Kiwi farms, i'll browse lots of different places, but as far as I can tell, anywhere that supports a 'general' forum of posters, and doesn't pander to a very very small amount of 'sjw's is just full of mostly normal people.

In other words, it seems that sjw influence is growing, but general public perception and voices just seem to be shrinking, everywhere, REALLY REALLY FAST, to the point that any sort of public SJW takes tend to get absolutely PILED on by the general public then to by followed by the 'SJW' (Not a fan of the term) to deny what happened and yell 'bots' as if to some how pretend they hold a majority anywhere online.

 

[CamelCursive]

I agree in the end Alec took his own life, however, I would use the analogy of a drunk person hitting someone with a car. The intent might not be to kill someone, but they sure as hell set up the situation that that might be the case.

There was no person making the final decision in the analogy, other than the drunk.

Like, if I tell you that you're worthless and dirty and poor- no matter how depressed or insecure or bipolar you are- I'm not responsible if you go and shoplift a bunch of expensive clothes.

 

[Thirteenfifty]

Fortunately she might not weasel her way out of this one.

She will weasel her way out, you underestimate how much of a sacred cow she is to the mainstream media. You also underestimate how much these people despise GG and the feats of mental gymnastics and spin they will push out to save her.

(Not necessarily defending or insulting GG just mentioning how it is a favorite boogeyman for leftwing types. GG got boring after it stopped being about how some insane whore fucked incel game devs for favors and started being a youtube video essay event that E-celebs milked to death)

 

[bbfx]

I agree in the end Alec took his own life, however, I would use the analogy of a drunk person hitting someone with a car. The intent might not be to kill someone, but they sure as hell set up the situation that that might be the case.

It isn't, tho. Driving a car while drunk is illegal, talking shit about your ex boyfriend on social media is not (if you're not lying, obviously).
She could do what she did. I personally wouldn't have, knowing his mental state, and I consider her morally responsible for his death, as I said, to some degree.
But legally she hasn't done anything wrong.

It's like saying that if your boyfriend tells you he'll kill himself if you break up with him, you break up with him and then he kills himself you should go to jail.

 

[Jack Awful]

So, will this get memoryholed, or will it blow up in the press? On one hand, Zoe is (literally) in bed with a lot of tabloid writers, on the other hand... man, this is the MOTHERLOAD of all clickbait articles. If the lefty crowd is really cannibalizing itself like it seems, what are the chances that Zoe will be sacrificed next?

They're probably gonna mention Alec's "tragic decision to end his own life due to mental illness" but also dedicate a large chunk of the article about how brave Zoe is, how it isn't her fault, and that Alec still deserved to be called out.