Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

[Done]

Same. I've been excited about this game since forever and now it feels like there are subtle changes being put in place to capitulate to the twenty troon cunts that whine and clamor. They really seemed above that pandering bullshit. They've got more money than god - why apologize, ever?

I don't really care about that tbh, I care more about how the gameplay etc looks/feels, this is where I felt kinda disappointed.

 

[SofondaCox]

I don't really care about that tbh, I care more about how the gameplay etc looks/feels, this is where I felt kinda disappointed.

Devs in fear of accusations of offensive material in a cyberpunk setting could absolutely ruin the ambiance of the game. The art will be crippled.

 

[Ashy the Angel]

I don't see what's so bad about there not being an gender option. It's not too far-fetched for the line between genders to thin out in a world where cybernetic augmentation is a common occurrence, but you can still customize the character to look obviously male or female anyway.

Having more character creation choices and freedom is good unless trans people are happy about it, then its "SJW pandering".

 

[Ginger Piglet]

See, I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, it's just a slight alteration and it's not like they've replaced body type with some sort of slider for gender non-conformingness or allowed you to pick a fancy pronoun. But on the other hand, it's the canary in the coalmine. Does this mean that there's going to be more woke pandering in the final game?

I'm still giving it the benefit of the doubt myself. As long as the line "clean as a cunt in a convent" stays in, I'll be happy.

 

[ND 719]

Having more character creation choices and freedom is good unless trans people are happy about it, then its "SJW pandering".

You completely miss the point. Previously i mentioned Saints Row where you could give a man tits and a woman a dick. The thing about that game is that those decision to add that was made completely unprompted by anything. The developers wanted to put that option there because they found it entertaining.

In the case of cyberpunk this option came after a shit ton of accusations about CDPR being transphobic so it's unlikely said accusations had nothing to do with that decision.
TL;DR
Decisions made out of a devs own free will = Good
Decisions made because of controversy = Bad

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Same. I've been excited about this game since forever and now it feels like there are subtle changes being put in place to capitulate to the twenty troon cunts that whine and clamor. They really seemed above that pandering bullshit. They've got more money than god - why apologize, ever?

They hired a bunch of western employees who are infected with west coast culture.

Having more character creation choices and freedom is good unless trans people are happy about it, then its "SJW pandering".

If everyone can do everything, there are no meaningful choices.

 

[SofondaCox]

Having more character creation choices and freedom is good unless trans people are happy about it, then its "SJW pandering".

No. Stop making this about your pet cause, nobody gives a fuck.

Having a work environment where an overseeing entity is breathing down your neck while you create, making woke "suggestions" and pressuring artists invariably turns out shitty results. World building requires freedom.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I can't shake the feeling that something weird is going on with this game.

Like I have a better feeling about Death Stranding than Cyberpunk. After watching the Cyberpunk demo it feels like this could be a bait and switch.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Supposedly there are older games in the RPG/cyberpunk genre that let you play a man with a woman's voice, or something like that, so what they're doing now is okay too. It sounds like a what-about-ism that misses the point, but then again, my exposure to dystopian cyberpunk content is limited to Akira, The Matrix, Blade Runner & Deus Ex.

Changing "Birth Record" to "Body Type" seems like a subtle concession to modern transgender ideology, using the cyberpunk genre as a shield. "Cyberpunk has always been about transhumanism and body mods," is the argument I've seen on the YongYea video covering this. Nevermind that the transhumanism in cyberpunk probably has more to do with transplanting your brain into a robot body or uploading it to the internet, and less about sex changes and the gender spectrum. Basically it's more about the relationship between humanity and technology, and what the singularity between the two will look like.

Maybe men with breasts, a cunt, and a female voice is part of what that's supposed to look like, along with cyborg hybrids and techno lizard people, but I doubt if that's what William Gibson had in mind. I wouldn't know, I've only heard references to how his work contributed to the genre.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

They may not have needed anyone breathing down their neck for this. One of their current narrative and quest designers used to spend his time on Somethingawful talking about how pre-Nazi Poland was full of black people that have since been whitewashed away by historians.

I'm fine with troon mods in it as part of the transhumanist angle but it sounds like they took out the potentially "offensive" bits, when transgression is kind of core to the genre.

 

[ND 719]

I'm honestly happy this controversy happened because it goes to show you how "pro-consumer" screwballs like YongYea will always take corporate ass pats and E3 privileges over the things they constantly proclaim they're all about. (Their autistic gamer audience)
Even the quartering ended up going for a middle of the road type bullshit take.

They just needed to neutrally report on it but instead they had to try and defend CDPR or try and explain themselves for having haram opinions like disliking anything CDPR does.

 

[Ruin]

Am I the only one who thinks everything except for the heavily scripted cinematic trailers looks awful and low quality?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

CDPR has built up autist gamer good will. It'll take a decade of straight disasters while pandering to their new captive Bioware audience before they start to lose it. I'd be surprised if they're capable of a complete disaster yet.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

I don't see what the big deal is; the game is pretty far from release (as far as i can tell) but what we've seen has some promise. CDPR has, sometimes, responded well and reasonably to consumer feedback. Who cares about putting trans shit in the game? It's a way to connect the contemporary zeitgeist to the cyperpunk vision of the future or it's virtue signaling; I don't think we will know until we can play it, but my gut tells me that at least they aimed for the former rather than the latter. Why all the sudden hate on them?

 

[Recoil]

I don't see what the big deal is; the game is pretty far from release (as far as i can tell) but what we've seen has some promise. CDPR has, sometimes, responded well and reasonably to consumer feedback. Who cares about putting trans shit in the game? It's a way to connect the contemporary zeitgeist to the cyperpunk vision of the future or it's virtue signaling; I don't think we will know until we can play it, but my gut tells me that at least they aimed for the former rather than the latter. Why all the sudden hate on them?

because the gameplay demo looked stilted and the graphics were [allegedly] downgraded from E3 (as usual)

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Remember how Witcher 2's graphics were actually upgraded during development instead of downgraded?

Consoles were a mistake.

I don't see what the big deal is; the game is pretty far from release (as far as i can tell) but what we've seen has some promise. CDPR has, sometimes, responded well and reasonably to consumer feedback. Who cares about putting trans shit in the game? It's a way to connect the contemporary zeitgeist to the cyperpunk vision of the future or it's virtue signaling; I don't think we will know until we can play it, but my gut tells me that at least they aimed for the former rather than the latter. Why all the sudden hate on them?

The game still looking far from release after so much development time in and of itself is generally a bad sign.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

I'm honestly happy this controversy happened because it goes to show you how "pro-consumer" screwballs like YongYea will always take corporate ass pats and E3 privileges over the things they constantly proclaim they're all about. (Their autistic gamer audience)
Even the quartering ended up going for a middle of the road type bullshit take.

They just needed to neutrally report on it but instead they had to try and defend CDPR or try and explain themselves for having haram opinions like disliking anything CDPR does.

I guess CDPR's a special case. I remember when Yong had that interview with Jason Schreier over Fallout 76 (IIRC), specifically him reeling back in disbelief at something stupid Jason said while trying to defend Bethesda. His stance on the Epic Games store also seems to be pretty pro-consumer when he covered the DARQ story, so I'd chalk this up to Yong being partial to Cyberpunk 2077 and CDPR in particular. He's had that cyberpunk waifu statue in the background of his video for what feels like a good long while.

With CDPR being the owner of a consumer-friendly digital storefront like GOG and a successful AAA franchise like The Witcher, I'm sure folks like Yong and his audience would be devoted to such a positive industry darling for the example they set, and they see this issue as a misunderstood bump on the road. The issues with the impressions of the game from E3 to now is the latest wrinkle starting to show.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

Eh, I'd rather a game take its time in development rather than come out half-baked, but I generally never buy any new games anyways since it's all a dumb clusterfuck of bullshit and misinformation

 

[Ruin]

I don't see what the big deal is; the game is pretty far from release (as far as i can tell) but what we've seen has some promise. CDPR has, sometimes, responded well and reasonably to consumer feedback. Who cares about putting trans shit in the game? It's a way to connect the contemporary zeitgeist to the cyperpunk vision of the future or it's virtue signaling; I don't think we will know until we can play it, but my gut tells me that at least they aimed for the former rather than the latter. Why all the sudden hate on them?

I guess my main concern is that outside of heavily scripted trade show videos everything we've been shown looks like an extremely generic FPS. Less than a year until release and we've seen very little if any of the "deep storytelling" and RPG elements we've been promised for years now.

 

[Recoil]

Maybe men with breasts, a cunt, and a female voice is part of what that's supposed to look like, along with cyborg hybrids and techno lizard people, but I doubt if that's what William Gibson had in mind. I wouldn't know, I've only heard references to how his work contributed to the genre.

It's not what he had in mind.