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[VZ 467]

I thought it was odd that Chuck had to include his opinion of Vic having a lot of sex on his affidavit, calling it "shameful" and basically accusing him of manipulating women with his fame to fuck them. Also the comment about him cheating. I get it's Chuck's opinion, but it could only be detrimental to Vic, right? Especially the part about his "shameful" behavior. Never understood why he had to include that and Ty agreed to. Shouldn't have done that if he really wanted to help Vic.

I am not certain that'd be the case. I do however appriciate Chuck's honesty in his affadavit. It just shows he doesn't turn a blind eye to what he considers to be Vic's flaws. Even putting that aside, men and women attempting to get laid by using their social standing is nothing new. Heck, there are women and men who throw themselves at people with fame, because, well, fame.

Even then, both parties are consenting adults. Nothing about that is rape, sexual assault or pedophilia. It may be a poor decision, but that's pretty much it.

Edit to add: If Vic is getting laid as much as Chuck claims, well, then there he has no reason to force anyone now does he? He can just charm someone at the local pub, and they can go to his hotelroom and have some good ol' grown up fun. There is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Garm]

Sorry, Ty deserves to be mocked as much as J. Sean for his past week of fuckups. He is not a defamation lawyer, so he's out of his element from the start. Then got a wrong read on Judge Chupp from the start. He fixes this by dumping 1,200 pages of disorganized crap on the court docket half an hour after the due date, cobbling it together in the last day. It helps he fucks up the notarization too through either laziness, negligence, or who even knows, Ty hasn't said much about it. This filing was shit, on a scale of 1-10 with Landau being a 1, J. Sean's was a 2 and Ty's was a 3. And all the while he does this as tens of thousands of people are watching every move he and his firm make which makes this case disproportionately important from a business perspective.

Then when he gets to court it all comes crashing down because Judge Chupp isn't fucking around with this. He's sick of the idiocy in this case. And he has the TCPA on his side, which while its as disagreeable as New York's lax anti-SLAPP, is still the law. Ty had all the pieces needed to get most of this to stick, but he monumentally fucked up and the judge wasn't having it because he didn't construct the pieces into a good enough weapon to grind the utter scum that is the KickVic side into the dirt. Even if he had a more reasonable judge, he still would've got a similar if he didn't have an idiot like J. Sean as his opponent. Don't just blame Chupp as disagreeable and appealable as some of his takes are.

To Ty's credit, he had some good filings earlier in the case and seems like a good guy and is fantastic at PR. And he wasn't the one hyping himself up for six months as some elite wargamer playing 4D chess in the courtroom, that was everyone else, which set unreasonable expectations for what he'd get done, and being disappointed by his performance after all this hype left a horrible taste in my mouth about him. But let's be honest, right now he's shown himself to be almost all talk when it comes down to the critical moments. People didn't listen enough to Nick when he said that Law Twitter weren't just a bunch of blowhards and could have good insight on the case. And I hope Ty realizes that and has a painful learning experience from this because I want to see Vic win and I want to see as many awful people ground into the dirt as possible.

Ty wrote a TCPA motion that met the requirements of the law as worded. Chupp decided that he had his own standards that needed to be met. I don't think Ty can be held accountable if a judge goes off the rails.

I think the biggest concern in this case had been proving "actual Malice." The judge suddenly deciding he needed extra contracts and figures to back up Tortious interference was never an idea that crossed anyone's mind because everything stemmed from defamation.

From what I understand the affidavits were in, the judge just said "meh" and continued on his way.

LawTwitter got it wrong that defamation would be thrown out immediately. That and conspiracy are the things that are being considered right now. Their analysis seemingly being as off kilter as ours is right now.

 

[Allanon]

Ty wrote a TCPA motion that met the requirements of the law as worded. Chupp decided that he had his own standards that needed to be met. I don't think Ty can be held accountable if a judge goes off the rails.

I think the biggest concern in this case had been proving "actual Malice." The judge suddenly deciding he needed extra contracts and figures to back up Tortious interference was never an idea that crossed anyone's mind because everything stemmed from defamation.

From what I understand the affidavits were in, the judge just said "meh" and continued on his way.

LawTwitter got it wrong that defamation would be thrown out immediately. That and conspiracy are the things that are being considered right now. Their analysis seemingly being as off kilter as ours is right now.

That's one of the strange parts of his rulings. He could have just refused to recognize the affidavits and thus blamed Ty for failing to file them in such a way as to force him to consider them, but he didn't. He did look at the affidavits, including Chris', and then was like 'so?'

 

[Padoru]

Ty wrote a TCPA motion that met the requirements of the law as worded. Chupp decided that he had his own standards that needed to be met. I don't think Ty can be held accountable if a judge goes off the rails.

I think the biggest concern in this case had been proving "actual Malice." The judge suddenly deciding he needed extra contracts and figures to back up Tortious interference was never an idea that crossed anyone's mind because everything stemmed from defamation.

From what I understand the affidavits were in, the judge just said "meh" and continued on his way.

LawTwitter got it wrong that defamation would be thrown out immediately. That and conspiracy are the things that are being considered right now. Their analysis seemingly being as off kilter as ours is right now.

some of the things the judge asked for were things Ty could have went with but didn't. IANAL but imo Ty should've also not completely pussied out when Chupp just talked over him re: Kamehacon. Everything we heard suggested Ty was going to talk about that but Chupp just talked over him. This is literally where a layman like me would go "Hey Your honor but i'm literally presenting the evidence you ask for RIGHT NOW so if you would please listen for a second." though i don't know how that would fly in such a hearing.

 

[Allanon]

some of the things the judge asked for were things Ty could have went with but didn't. IANAL but imo Ty should've also not completely pussied out when Chupp just talked over him re: Kamehacon. Everything we heard suggested Ty was going to talk about that but Chupp just talked over him. This is literally where a layman like me would go "Hey Your honor but i'm literally presenting the evidence you ask for RIGHT NOW so if you would please listen for a second." though i don't know how that would fly in such a hearing.

Don't piss your judge off. He can throw your entire case out if he wants to, and you can do nothing except appeal it.

 

[Padoru]

Don't piss your judge off. He can throw your entire case out if he wants to, and you can do nothing except appeal it.

in that regard why was this hearing even held then? If telling a judge "Yo i'm doing as you ask right now please let me finish" is out then Ty could quite literally no-showed and NOTHING would be different now. In what kinda shitty world do we live where such a thing is even allowed...Wait i just answered my own question.

 

[Garm]

That's one of the strange parts of his rulings. He could have just refused to recognize the affidavits and thus blamed Ty for failing to file them in such a way as to force him to consider them, but he didn't. He did look at the affidavits, including Chris', and then was like 'so?'

Thinking about it, it looks like Ty and Chupp were coming at it from opposite approaches.

Ty figured "We have to prove defamation first, then conspiracy and TI would branch from that." That seems like the logical approach to such a case.

It looks like Chupp said "I want to know more about TI and I'll decide the defamation stuff for myself." No one expected that approach.

some of the things the judge asked for were things Ty could have went with but didn't. IANAL but imo Ty should've also not completely pussied out when Chupp just talked over him re: Kamehacon. Everything we heard suggested Ty was going to talk about that but Chupp just talked over him. This is literally where a layman like me would go "Hey Your honor but i'm literally presenting the evidence you ask for RIGHT NOW so if you would please listen for a second." though i don't know how that would fly in such a hearing.

Talking over a judge is never a good idea.

Edit: Cougared.

 

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some of the things the judge asked for were things Ty could have went with but didn't. IANAL but imo Ty should've also not completely pussied out when Chupp just talked over him re: Kamehacon. Everything we heard suggested Ty was going to talk about that but Chupp just talked over him. This is literally where a layman like me would go "Hey Your honor but i'm literally presenting the evidence you ask for RIGHT NOW so if you would please listen for a second." though i don't know how that would fly in such a hearing.

Not good.

Protesters' Lawyer ARRESTED when she tries to explain the LAW to a JUDGE

An attorney was held in contempt and held in the courthouse cells for trying to explain to a judge why the prosecutor has a right to null charges brought aga...

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[verissimus]

I still think Marchi shouldn't be let go of this since it leaves a hole open for her to slither and begin moving strings with Sabat's help. We might have uncovered the rabbit hole that is Funimation's working environment. But we still have the biggest player of this doing work behind the scenes. In a way, I worried they use Marchi to set the stage to screw any other VA that tries to come out after Sabat.

...who says she wouldn't have done that even if the court slapped her on the wrist? Besides, I happen to agree with Nick's overall assessment of her: i.e. she's just dumb. It's not like Sabat, Toye, et. al. needed her to rake over any VA who stepped out of line. In my opinion, I don't even get why they bothered suing her.

 

[Allanon]

in that regard why was this hearing even held then? If telling a judge "Yo i'm doing as you ask right now please let me finish" is out then Ty could quite literally no-showed and NOTHING would be different now. In what kinda shitty world do we live where such a thing is even allowed...Wait i just answered my own question.

Ideally your judge shouldn't be trying to speak over you and cut you off when you're just trying to respectfully argue your position exactly in the manner you're supposed to be. At least, that's what I gather.

...who says she wouldn't have done that even if the court slapped her on the wrist? Besides, I happen to agree with Nick's overall assessment : i.e. she's just dumb. It's not like Sabat, Toye, et. al. need her to rake over any or all VAs who step out of line. In my opinion, I don't even get why they bothered suing her.

The same reason you might sue Dominique. Aside from being annoying, they suspect she's involved in the conspiracy on the inside. They might even have inside information showing that, which they refrained from showing because they didn't want to tip their hand and it wasn't necessary yet.

 

[verissimus]

Ideally your judge shouldn't be trying to speak over you and cut you off when you're just trying to respectfully argue your position exactly in the manner you're supposed to be. At least, that's what I gather.



The same reason you might sue Dominique. Aside from being annoying, they suspect she's involved in the conspiracy on the inside. They might even have inside information showing that, which they refrained from showing because they didn't want to tip their hand and it wasn't necessary yet.

Maybe, but considering they (Ty and Vic) suggested bringing others to court at a later date, why not have brought Jamie afterwards if she really was in the con-job? I mean, maybe I missed it somewhere, but I don't recall Jamie being involved in almost anyway with TI as opposed to Toye.

 

[Foolish Samurai Warrior]

Man, the past couple of days have been pandemonium, huh?

 

[Allanon]

Maybe, but considering they (Ty and Vic) suggested bringing others to court at a later date, why not have brought Jamie afterwards if she really was in the con-job? I mean, maybe I missed it somewhere, but I don't recall Jamie being involved in almost anyway with TI as opposed to Toye.

I have always found that odd, which is why I theorized a few days back that Ty and co have more on Marchi than we realize. And that is entirely possible to be true. Her part in the case should have survived TCPA. It's entirely possible they have sources that they don't want to out (because it will cut them off) but would need to if they brought more evidence to the table. When that evidence was supposed to be needed, I'd expect they'd reveal it.

At least, that's my best guess. Otherwise I see no reason why they would have included Marchi in round 1 but not Sabat, as Ty said he was this close to including him, and already had prima facie evidence at the time. If he thought he had enough to survive TCPA for Sabat, why go for Marchi first? My conclusion: he had stronger evidence for Marchi than Sabat, and wanted to use her discovery to strengthen his attack on Sabat. I don't believe at all that he was expecting discovery from her, because it's been discussed at length that any sane person immediately files TCPA, they don't sit around and wait for discovery just so they can try to defame the person suing them for defamation.

 

[verissimus]

Man, the past couple of days have been pandemonium, huh?

Sort of. Still nowhere near as bad as the the couple of days before, during, and after the kickVic hastag, the bs Funimation internal investigation, and the subsequent "coincidental" firings and cancellations from Funimation, Rooster Teeth, and several conventions.

 

[SpiralStars]

Does anybody think possibly that nicks absence and not being able to talk is WV off the ledge might be a factor in is WVU's meltdown.

I thought it was odd that Chuck had to include his opinion of Vic having a lot of sex on his affidavit, calling it "shameful" and basically accusing him of manipulating women with his fame to fuck them. Also the comment about him cheating. I get it's Chuck's opinion, but it could only be detrimental to Vic, right? Especially the part about his "shameful" behavior. Never understood why he had to include that and Ty agreed to. Shouldn't have done that if he really wanted to help Vic.

I'm wondering if that was Chuck putting all the cards on the table like Vic did (although he was kind of forced). it prevents them from confronting Chuck with these things and making look like a liar. Although it was worded kind of harsh. Anyway I prettymuch assume that was written for him by BHBH or other lawyer after they spoke with him.

I have always found that odd, which is why I theorized a few days back that Ty and co have more on Marchi than we realize. And that is entirely possible to be true. Her part in the case should have survived TCPA. It's entirely possible they have sources that they don't want to out (because it will cut them off) but would need to if they brought more evidence to the table. When that evidence was supposed to be needed, I'd expect they'd reveal it.

At least, that's my best guess. Otherwise I see no reason why they would have included Marchi in round 1 but not Sabat, as Ty said he was this close to including him, and already had prima facie evidence at the time. If he thought he had enough to survive TCPA for Sabat, why go for Marchi first? My conclusion: he had stronger evidence for Marchi than Sabat, and wanted to use her discovery to strengthen his attack on Sabat. I don't believe at all that he was expecting discovery from her, because it's been discussed at length that any sane person immediately files TCPA, they don't sit around and wait for discovery just so they can try to defame the person suing them for defamation.

I'm going to theorize Marchi is personally tighter with Sabat and/or she is sloppier with her maneuvering or whatever reason she created a better link to Sabat

 

[Allanon]

It doesn't surprise me that someone like Chuck who considers Vic a friend but is somewhat cynical would be berating Vic about the hearing, because half the posters here seemed intent (or still do) on blaming Ty for the situation and expecting Vic to be furious with him. If Vic isn't mad, then someone who is opinionated and feels like the situation was fumbled would then turn their anger on Vic. It's dumb, but friends aren't just super positive rabbits who only have nice things to say and always know better than to say stupid and/or hurtful things to you.

Especially if you had a friend who maybe didn't support the idea of a lawsuit in the first place, but went along with it to support you, and then that friend decided 'well look, you wasted your time and money and now you look worse!'

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

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I'll think we'll hear more from this case in the not so far future. Looks like a real minefield.

Suffolk County District Attorney Rachael Rollins asks Supreme Judicial Court to weigh in on prosecution of Straight Pride protesters

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[German_DYNAMO]

Jfc I take a bit of a break to deal with college, approaching exam days and struggling with understanding anything in my Discrete Structures 2 class and what do I find?

• A judge not very well-liked by those who had to bear his boomer ass handling their cases
• people hating on Ty
• Chuck being an ass to Vic (apparently, that's what I've been reading thus far)
• KV celebrating a "win" with Marchi strutting her chunky walrus ass away like the pompous idiot that she is
• ...and even some morons from ISWV tryna dunk on the judge (who while I personally think is lazy and incompetent based on the long-standing complaints against him still shouldn't be dunked on given he's still the judge)

Not as bad as when all this started, but jeez. Seems like a somewhat rough start to the week.

 

[Laughing-Man]

Hopefully its not chupp or a left leaning bias judge who does the appeal.

From my understanding of the appeals process, and I am not a lawyer so grain of salt, an appeal goes before an an Bach panel of three other judges who rule on it. What do you think the chances of finding 2 out of 3 liberal judges in Texas is?

Now the issue of course is that appealing while a court case is still going on is the equivalent of telling a judge “I need to speak to your manager” and then expecting a pleasant continued process.

 

[Allanon]

From my understanding of the appeals process, and I am not a lawyer so grain of salt, an appeal goes before an an Bach panel of three other judges who rule on it. What do you think the chances of finding 2 out of 3 liberal judges in Texas is?

Now the issue of course is that appealing while a court case is still going on is the equivalent of telling a judge “I need to speak to your manager” and then expecting a pleasant continued process.

A liberal judge is still a judge, and if they behave as one, they're still going to follow the law. Particularly since any appeal at this point would be nothing more than on the matter of TCPA, not the conclusion of the trial/damages.