Unpopular Opinions About Western Animation

[The Pink Panther]

I have a weird fascination for the Tom and Jerry cartoons made by Gene Deitch, but I don't understand why.

Because it's Gene Deitch and we're supposed to love him because "he saved MUH Terrytoons".

 

[Trilby]

Because it's Gene Deitch and we're supposed to love him because "he saved MUH Terrytoons".

Can't argue there!

 

[Pina Colada]

I have a weird fascination for the Tom and Jerry cartoons made by Gene Deitch, but I don't understand why.

Same, but for me it’s Chuck Jones’ Tom and Jerry.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

Adventure Time was overrated garbage, IMO. I prefer Gumball and Regular Show.

 

[Shokew]

Adventure Time was overrated garbage, IMO. I prefer Gumball and Regular Show.

Only SJWs think Adventure Time >>>>> either Gumball (i.e.: the actually funniest show CN has produced in a long time.) or Regular Show (i.e.: the most actually down-to-earth and relatable show CN has produced in a long time), especially after looking at the later seasons of the former and how they treat its main characters (Finn and Jake) like such trash.

Regular Show and Gumball succeeded (at least IMHO), overall, by being both actually funny and relatable to a major extent - and not completely treating their MCs like, again - trash.

It's clear by the later seasons, AT wanted the Gay Space Rocks crowd, which didn't help matters from there - as that show is much worse than AT, in terms of what matters in making a cartoon actually good.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

Only SJWs think Adventure Time >>>>> either Gumball (i.e.: the actually funniest show CN has produced in a long time.) or Regular Show (i.e.: the most actually down-to-earth and relatable show CN has produced in a long time), especially after looking at the later seasons of the former and how they treat its main characters (Finn and Jake) like such trash.

I always thought Adventure Time was trying to appeal more to the hipster crowd and the lol random crowd than the SJW crowd, to be honest. From what I've seen of it, the first few seasons were basically a bunch of butt and fart jokes, and the rest of it was such petty romance that just take away from any redeeming qualities of the show. Plus, am I the only one that just doesn't like the art style?

 

[PopRocks]

I always thought Adventure Time was trying to appeal more to the hipster crowd and the lol random crowd than the SJW crowd, to be honest. From what I've seen of it, the first few seasons were basically a bunch of butt and fart jokes, and the rest of it was such petty romance that just take away from any redeeming qualities of the show. Plus, am I the only one that just doesn't like the art style?

I blame it for modern show thing it needs some season spanning storyline to be "good".

Anyway, Avatar is a generic action show that does not deserve the amount of praise that it does.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

I blame it for modern show thing it needs some season spanning storyline to be "good".

There were shows before AT that have done that. I remember KND had something like that in its 6th season. AT just happened to be far more popular than most other cartoons at the time due to its admittedly unique art style and comedy (doesn't mean I like it personally, though).

 

[PopRocks]

There were shows before AT that have done that. I remember KND had something like that in its 6th season. AT just happened to be far more popular than most other cartoons at the time due to its admittedly unique art style and comedy (doesn't mean I like it personally, though).

At least the other show looked like they were meant for serious storytelling, but with AT art style, it really hard to take it seriously.

 

[Sayon]

Hey Arnold was better when Arnold was just a weird kid instead of the messiah.

 

[The Pink Panther]

Hey Arnold was better when Arnold was just a weird kid instead of the messiah.

So much so that one of my favorite episodes of the show came from around the time where Arnold really started to become the God of his universe (Season 4), Deconstructing Arnold, where it was a semi-meta episode where the kids just say fuck off to Arnold's advice for the whole episode and shit kind of goes crazy.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

At least the other show looked like they were meant for serious storytelling, but with AT art style, it really hard to take it seriously.

I think the main difference is that KND was starting to develop its characters during the second half of season 1 instead of 2 years after the show had aired. Even the seasons that didn't have a continuing story were able to put in something interesting or touching for each episode. I kind of like the idea that kids and adults in that universe are essentially two different races.

 

[NNewt84]

The Buzz on Maggie was actually my favourite show as a kid - I could relate to Maggie, with her creativity, rebelliousness and love for music, and still watch it every now and then for the nostalgia. I will admit, the show isn't without its faults, but I still acknowledge how important the show was in shaping my childhood, and inspiring me to become an animator.

Also, is it me, or does the character of Maria Monarch seem a bit... austistic? She clearly shows signs of social awkwardness, sensory overload and even has a bit of a funny-sounding voice. I wonder how Enter feels about that?

 

[FaceOfTrueHorror]

Adults that watch kids cartoons without having kids need to grow up.

 

[NNewt84]

Also, I oppose the Into the Spider-Verse movie. Remember when we used to bash on movies and TV shows that switched the main character's race to force a political agenda? But apparently it's cool when it happens to Spider-Man for whatever reason - you gotta love double standards.

And yes, I realise the new Spider-Man is technically a different character, but it's so painfully obvious they introduced him and that Asian girl just to force racial diversity into a franchise that never needed it. I really don't get why they couldn't just create a new superhero franchise with a new, original black superhero - how hard would that have been?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Also, I oppose the Into the Spider-Verse movie. Remember when we used to bash on movies and TV shows that switched the main character's race to force a political agenda? But apparently it's cool when it happens to Spider-Man for whatever reason - you gotta love double standards.

And yes, I realise the new Spider-Man is technically a different character, but it's so painfully obvious they introduced him and that Asian girl just to force racial diversity into a franchise that never needed it. I really don't get why they couldn't just create a new superhero franchise with a new, original black superhero - how hard would that have been?

Like, he's been around for years. They didn't create him for the movie.

 

[NNewt84]

Like, he's been around for years. They didn't create him for the movie.

That doesn't change the fact that they made him black to pander to diversity quotas. Iron Man was also blackwashed in the comics - and on top of that, they made him a girl - and everyone hates that. So how come Spider-Man gets a free pass, then? If they were to make an Iron Heart movie, would it suddenly be cool to defend it because "she was black and female in the comics"?

 

[howyadoin]

That doesn't change the fact that they made him black to pander to diversity quotas. Iron Man was also blackwashed in the comics - and on top of that, they made him a girl - and everyone hates that. So how come Spider-Man gets a free pass, then? If they were to make an Iron Heart movie, would it suddenly be cool to defend it because "she was black and female in the comics"?

Keep in mind that the movie takes place in a multiverse, so Miles has his own justification to exist in his own world. And while changing an existing character's race/gender/sexuality/whatever for diversity points isn't ideal, it's mostly harmless if it's backed up by good writing, which is the case in Into the Spider-Verse.

 

[LiquidKid]

That doesn't change the fact that they made him black to pander to diversity quotas. Iron Man was also blackwashed in the comics - and on top of that, they made him a girl - and everyone hates that. So how come Spider-Man gets a free pass, then? If they were to make an Iron Heart movie, would it suddenly be cool to defend it because "she was black and female in the comics"?

Did you even watch the movie? The big character arc for Miles was that he wasn’t the real Spider-Man. The film knew that Miles wasn’t a particularly liked character in the comics and they went out of their way to amend that(a feat I think they accomplished exceedingly well). Case in point, he’s wearing a Spider-Man Halloween costume for a majority of the movie to symbolize that he’s pretending to be Spider-Man. It’s only after he stops pretending and finds his own confidence and his own identity that he is given a real Spider suit and becomes his universe’s “one and only Spider-Man.”
It’s okay to not like Miles, or Iron Heart, I still hate him in the comics, but you expressed an extreme misunderstanding of the movie you’re criticizing

 

[NNewt84]

Keep in mind that the movie takes place in a multiverse, so Miles has his own justification to exist in his own world. And while changing an existing character's race/gender/sexuality/whatever for diversity points isn't ideal, it's mostly harmless if it's backed up by good writing, which is the case in Into the Spider-Verse.

But if it's written well, then that's only going to encourage other writers to shoehorn in racial diversity for the sake of it, because they assume that's what makes the work so well-liked.

And also, the fact that you consider gender-swapping "harmless". I'm sorry to break this to you, but women are not a minority - they make up roughly 51% of the population, so it's disgustingly insulting to treat them the same way we would treat, say, black and LGBT people in fiction, by subjecting them to SJW-pandering diversity tokenism.

As an aspiring writer myself, I'm currently planning to write my own self-published comics about a young girl who aspires to become a professional musician, and how she goes about her daily life. I want to show that she's a unique individual in her own right, and not just a token female being used to pander to diversity quotas. But with stuff like Into the Spider-Verse doing the same thing for minorities, now suddenly I'm still writing my character as a token female, even when I'm trying to flesh her out as her own character, so then what's the point? Is it really so hard for people to understand that being female isn't the same as being black?

Just look at the show Hilda, for example - that show, and the comics it was based on, were not based off a pre-existing property with a male protagonist; the titular Hilda was female from the get-go, and she's written as just a normal kid who likes adventuring, not a token female protagonist meant to appeal to feminists and SJWs. And on top of that, she has a token black friend, showing that the writers view femaleness as separate from blackness. Hell, if anything, the show seems to paint boys as the "minority" gender, seeing how Hilda also has a token male friend.

Now, if every show/movie/book/etc. had a token male character in addition to the token black character, that would be a problem, since it would be painting men and boys as "special" and "other" even though we're roughly half the population - however, it seems to be split among the two sexes as far as media goes, so... eh, fair enough, I guess. My point is, neither one sex should be treated as a minority - either both should, or neither should.

So why can't we have more female characters like that, instead of remaking Ghostbusters with the genders swapped? Girls deserve better than to be painted as a "minority" group when they're not.