Unpopular Opinions About Western Animation

But if it's written well, then that's only going to encourage other writers to shoehorn in racial diversity for the sake of it, because they assume that's what makes the work so well-liked.

And also, the fact that you consider gender-swapping "harmless". I'm sorry to break this to you, but women are not a minority - they make up roughly 51% of the population, so it's disgustingly insulting to treat them the same way we would treat, say, black and LGBT people in fiction, by subjecting them to SJW-pandering diversity tokenism.

As an aspiring writer myself, I'm currently planning to write my own self-published comics about a young girl who aspires to become a professional musician, and how she goes about her daily life. I want to show that she's a unique individual in her own right, and not just a token female being used to pander to diversity quotas. But with stuff like Into the Spider-Verse doing the same thing for minorities, now suddenly I'm still writing my character as a token female, even when I'm trying to flesh her out as her own character, so then what's the point? Is it really so hard for people to understand that being female isn't the same as being black?

Just look at the show Hilda, for example - that show, and the comics it was based on, were not based off a pre-existing property with a male protagonist; the titular Hilda was female from the get-go, and she's written as just a normal kid who likes adventuring, not a token female protagonist meant to appeal to feminists and SJWs. And on top of that, she has a token black friend, showing that the writers view femaleness as separate from blackness. Hell, if anything, the show seems to paint boys as the "minority" gender, seeing how Hilda also has a token male friend.

Now, if every show/movie/book/etc. had a token male character in addition to the token black character, that would be a problem, since it would be painting men and boys as "special" and "other" even though we're roughly half the population - however, it seems to be split among the two sexes as far as media goes, so... eh, fair enough, I guess. My point is, neither one sex should be treated as a minority - either both should, or neither should.

So why can't we have more female characters like that, instead of remaking Ghostbusters with the genders swapped? Girls deserve better than to be painted as a "minority" group when they're not.
1-Nobody gives a shit about your comic or your aspirations to be a writer. If anything, your posts here have shown how unlikely that career will ever be for you.

2-The problem with ghostbusters wasn’t that it was an all women reboot. It was how they handled the marketing, which was to attack critics for alleged sexism even though the actual humor in the movie was shit. Generally speaking, if a talented group with passion for the project takes a gender/race swap on, it can work out really well.
Just because you don’t see the inherent value of a African American version of spider man taking place in Brooklyn instead of Queens dealing with a unique set of feelings and expectations(this also being a massive part of Spiderverse to the point that he paints it on the fucking wall) when compared to the original, shows how close minded you are.
Don’t get me wrong, there are bad examples of swaps. Many of them, but to just assume all are bad is the wrong way to look at it
 
The problem with ghostbusters wasn’t that it was an all women reboot.

Yes, it was. Treating women as a gimmick, and stifling them of their creativity, is a horribly disgusting way to treat them in the movie industry, or anywhere in general. If you ever have a daughter, will you be willing to tell her to her face that her mere existence is just a gimmick used to promote liberal propaganda and steal men's ideas?

It was how they handled the marketing, which was to attack critics for alleged sexism even though the actual humor in the movie was shit.

Unfortunately, there are still critics of the film who say they're "okay with female Ghostbusters", and those critics I can definitely say are sexist, because they're supporting the film, and are equally as bad as the feminists who sperg over it.

Generally speaking, if a talented group with passion for the project takes a gender/race swap on, it can work out really well.

No, it cannot. If anything, that makes it worse, since people end up praising the project, and thus audiences put up with gender-swapped reboots of stuff instead of supporting well-written, relatable, likable original female characters such as Hilda. I honestly don't see the problem with creating original female characters, to show that women are just as capable of being as unique as men can be.

Just because you don’t see the inherent value of a African American version of spider man taking place in Brooklyn instead of Queens dealing with a unique set of feelings and expectations(this also being a massive part of Spiderverse to the point that he paints it on the fucking wall) when compared to the original, shows how close minded you are.
Don’t get me wrong, there are bad examples of swaps. Many of them, but to just assume all are bad is the wrong way to look at it

My problem with the film is how it's going to affect how audiences will view female characters in the future. They'll hear about this character - let's call her Melissa Foxheart - who's deeply complex, has a tonne of character, is relatable to everyone who reads about her... and they'll just assume she's a token minority character meant to pander to hard leftists. Why? Because the same thing happens with black characters like Kilometres Eticales, and they hear people praising him for "not pandering", so they assume that any female character who is also "not pandering" is just pandering anyway. And now nobody takes Melissa Foxheart seriously as a result.

That's the state our society is in at the moment - that nobody, whether an SJW or an anti-SJW, is aware that women and blacks are not one and the same, and it is possible to write them differently. Even as far back as 1984, Punky Brewster had a white female protagonist with a token black friend, showing that it can be done. And nowadays we have Hilda, showing it can still be done, even in this age of political correctness and diversity pandering. So what's the big problem, then?

Anyway, that's all I have to say for now - if you have any questions, feel free to ask! :)
 
That doesn't change the fact that they made him black to pander to diversity quotas. Iron Man was also blackwashed in the comics - and on top of that, they made him a girl - and everyone hates that. So how come Spider-Man gets a free pass, then? If they were to make an Iron Heart movie, would it suddenly be cool to defend it because "she was black and female in the comics"?

Nah bruh. Spider-Verse wasn't trying to pull an agenda. Just because a black guy is the lead in a movie doesnt really mean it's trying to push any sort diversity quota, lol.

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I remember watching Brandy and Mr. Whiskers back in my youth; and rewatching it now, it's still pretty funny. Yes it's flawed as hell, but I do like the humor, creativity, and art style in the show. A very underrated Disney show.
 
Ok, now that that's over with, I really don't care Spinel like everyone does.
She would have worked better as a season villain not a movie one. Her hang ups were too big and deep to be resolved in an hour especially since she is for all extensive purposes an entirely different character for half that movie. There is no reason to believe the character introduced at the beginning could be redeemed that easily at the end. Perhaps if throughout the movie they had slowly had her come to the realization that Rose is gone. There is nothing that could be done about it anymore, and the past is in the past it would work, the movie instead feels like a brief series recap and mostly pointless.
That whole movie had wonky pacing, it basically introduces the characters, has them lose their memory, recaps what the audience knows about the characters so that they can get it back, and as a whole just wastes lot's of time that should be given to fleshing out the biggest threat of the movie. I'd say it was made as jumping in point for people who want to get into the series since apparently the show is going to continue. However, the film is counting on previous knowledge too. Like the part where Amethyst uncomfortably shape-shifts into Rose and Greg's reaction only works if you have seen Maximum Capacity where she harasses him with that same thing.
I'm blabbering, but I really wasn't impressed with the movie and I'm kinda shocked by it's rating. As far as CN cartoon movies go it's pretty mediocre.
 
I remember watching Brandy and Mr. Whiskers back in my youth; and rewatching it now, it's still pretty funny. Yes it's flawed as hell, but I do like the humor, creativity, and art style in the show. A very underrated Disney show.

Hey, I remember that show! I was legitimately surprised to find that most people hate that show. I mean, The Buzz on Maggie I can understand, since the main character could be a jerk at times, and the juxtaposition of a girly tween sitcom against a world of anthropomorphic insects (i.e. something most girly girls really do not like) may have been a bad choice, but Brandy & Mr. Whiskers? I'd have thought most would consider it "meh" at worst. But I guess it could just be another case of the critics and general audience having vastly different opinions, as they usually do. (Hence why the Disney "live-action" remakes are doing so well, despite the critics constantly lambasting them)
 
Nah bruh. Spider-Verse wasn't trying to pull an agenda. Just because a black guy is the lead in a movie doesnt really mean it's trying to push any sort diversity quota, lol.

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The difference is that they changed a previously-existing IP to force a black guy into the lead, rather than creating something new from the ground up with a black protagonist. Last I checked, The Proud Family wasn't based off a pre-existing show about a white family.
 
The difference is that they changed a previously-existing IP to force a black guy into the lead, rather than creating something new from the ground up with a black protagonist. Last I checked, The Proud Family wasn't based off a pre-existing show about a white family.

No....it's not.

Miles Morales is alternate universe black Spiderman created in 2011 under Marvel. They didnt purposely change Spiderman in the film, it's a Spiderman film about all the different Spidermen and women from the different universes, one of them being Miles. Miles wasn't created under a quota, he was created to be one of the many alternative Spidermen, where in this universe, Spiderman is a black teenager.
 
No....it's not.

Miles Morales is alternate universe black Spiderman created in 2011 under Marvel. They didnt purposely change Spiderman in the film, it's a Spiderman film about all the different Spidermen and women from the different universes, one of them being Miles.

It being from the comics doesn't make it any less pandering - hell, everyone has been criticising the comics for pandering to libtards for years now. Ever heard of #Comicsgate? If Miles Morales jumped off a cliff in the comics (and didn't use any of his spider powers to save himself), would you defend him doing it in the movie?
 
If Miles Morales jumped off a cliff in the comics (and didn't use any of his spider powers to save himself), would you defend him doing it in the movie?
What is your point here? What are you trying to say? Are you trying to ask if the movie adapted a scene in the comic where Miles does something like that? If you are, then no, no one would defend it because it's stupid.

This argument makes no sense.
 
What is your point here? What are you trying to say? Are you trying to ask if the movie adapted a scene in the comic where Miles does something like that? If you are, then no, no one would defend it because it's stupid.

This argument makes no sense.

My point is that just because something was done in the comics, that doesn't automatically make it good. The most common defense I hear for making the new Spider-Man black is, "Well, he was black in the comics!" Cool! That doesn't make it any less PC-pandering, especially when the Marvel constantly gets lambasted for pandering to PC libtards in their comics (case in point: Iron Heart). The way I phrased my argument was a play on the old "if X person jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?" that is often used to counter such whataboutisms.
 
My point is that just because something was done in the comics, that doesn't automatically make it good. The most common defense I hear for making the new Spider-Man black is, "Well, he was black in the comics!" Cool! That doesn't make it any less PC-pandering, especially when the Marvel constantly gets lambasted for pandering to PC libtards in their comics (case in point: Iron Heart). The way I phrased my argument was a play on the old "if X person jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?" that is often used to counter such whataboutisms.

Lol. Your literal reasoning for it is "oh, because it has a minority (at least in America) character in it that obviously means it's PC pandering. You're an idiot. Just because a character is a nigger or a spic or whatever doesnt mean it's PC pandering.

This is the type of reasoning that comes from idiots like No Bullshit.
 
My point is that just because something was done in the comics, that doesn't automatically make it good. The most common defense I hear for making the new Spider-Man black is, "Well, he was black in the comics!" Cool! That doesn't make it any less PC-pandering, especially when the Marvel constantly gets lambasted for pandering to PC libtards in their comics (case in point: Iron Heart). The way I phrased my argument was a play on the old "if X person jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?" that is often used to counter such whataboutisms.

Dude, could you, like, stop talking? You're only gonna make yourself look stupider.
 
I think Chicken Little is a good movie.
Regular show went bad in it's final seasons.
Also, I think most shows nowadays featuring teenagers as the main cast are shit.
They mostly share the same bad traits. (e.g. sex jokes, dumb melodrama, bland characters)
 
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