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Saw this on the big texas comiccon instagram.

Whatcha thinkin' about Todd?
Sabat: You still thinking about keeping Ty
 
This was shared by someone on my private Twitter. I can't find the account now but damn I've been laughing for quite a bit after reading this.

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Of course these fetish creeps will go all #believewomen all over twitter. That just means they could hide their heinous perversions or normalize them while appearing virtuous.

Alright, here's the archive of the tweet I posted earlier.
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Then he claims he got that information second hand 🤔
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CoachZac also claims the story is true and implies that he witnessed it. Can't prove it tho 🤔
They say it must've been around '10 '11. Makes even less sense. Why would the fricking Navys know/care about some chinese cartoon voice actor who hugs his fans?

Are there any (former) Navys in this thread that could comment on this? I salute you btw :semperfidelis:

Another thing (and I am in no way claiming that this is a dox or that this is really the same Kathryn Twenson)


Here's a lawtwitter orbiter. Just unbearably smug for not knowing shit, but harmless compared to others. "Harmless" in the sense of: hasn't outright called Vic a pedophile. Still supports people that do, like Greg. More under the spoiler.



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Googled her and came across this. It'd match since she says she lives outside of Seattle. Sings in some choir. If that's her, she looks exactly like you'd expect her to.

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Also has a ravelry account. Not surprising and not interesting.


Her instagram.

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Has to be at least the same person from the choir.
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Also an "artist" and her artstyle matches her twitter profile picture..
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Likes to make her kid cosplay. At least this one isn't sexualised like Dominique's kid.
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Also apparently has a medium and her one of her "claps" matches quite well.
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Also, I am so fucking dumb, I only just realised she's selling threadnought merch on redbubble.


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Sorry if this was a mess. If anyone wants to find some tweets that could be exemplary to her character, I'd be thankful. I am done for now.
Of course it's the "I heard from someone who heard from someone" crap. Here say is all they really know.
 
My personnal analysis: RT were amateurish.
But they had one very valuable asset : Monty Oum.
Monty Oum was creative, he designed the RWBY concept and worked hard on his own to make it happen.
RWBY quickly become popular despite a very limited budget, because cool characters, cool action scenes, cool musics.
Then Monty Oum passed, and RWBY writing quicly went downhill, because RT never really understood what made it popular.
Since then, RT tried to do other things, but because they lacks talent beside the tech side, they never managed to do anything as efficient as RWBY.

Vic wasn't the trigger, it was Monty Oum's death.
Had Monty Oum never worked for them, not so many people would have ever known RT's existence.

EDIT: "Monty", not "Mounty", dammit.
 
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I call the Twitter story from Doc BULLSHIT, he claims he was a SAPR in the Navy.
Problem is:
17. SAPR Officers will be, at a minimum, O-3 and above personnel assigned to designated echelon 2 commands, regional commands, and echelon 3 type commands to oversee SAPR program execution and initiatives within the respective AOR.
Quoted from OPNAVINST 1752.1C, Page 2-27, 13 Aug 2015
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/Di... Community and Religious Services/1752.1C.pdf

O-3, huh? Produce a DD-214 or shut the fuck up.
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His facebook states he's/was corpsman stationed in San Diego. So what now O-3 or Corps Man? Fucking Dumbass
https://www.facebook.com/daniel.greenwell1
https://archive.li/2MFpG

His LinkedIn also states Corps Man

Could that be the same guy?
Found it here, third row, third picture from the right.
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Alright, here's the archive of the tweet I posted earlier.
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Then he claims he got that information second hand 🤔
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CoachZac also claims the story is true and implies that he witnessed it. Can't prove it tho 🤔
They say it must've been around '10 '11. Makes even less sense. Why would the fricking Navys know/care about some chinese cartoon voice actor who hugs his fans?

Are there any (former) Navys in this thread that could comment on this? I salute you btw :semperfidelis:

Another thing (and I am in no way claiming that this is a dox or that this is really the same Kathryn Twenson)


Here's a lawtwitter orbiter. Just unbearably smug for not knowing shit, but harmless compared to others. "Harmless" in the sense of: hasn't outright called Vic a pedophile. Still supports people that do, like Greg. More under the spoiler.



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Googled her and came across this. It'd match since she says she lives outside of Seattle. Sings in some choir. If that's her, she looks exactly like you'd expect her to.

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Also has a ravelry account. Not surprising and not interesting.


Her instagram.

(Don't know how to archive)
Has to be at least the same person from the choir.
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Also an "artist" and her artstyle matches her twitter profile picture..
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Likes to make her kid cosplay. At least this one isn't sexualised like Dominique's kid.
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Also apparently has a medium and her one of her "claps" matches quite well.
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Also, I am so fucking dumb, I only just realised she's selling threadnought merch on redbubble.


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Sorry if this was a mess. If anyone wants to find some tweets that could be exemplary to her character, I'd be thankful. I am done for now.

See, I could believe this if the guy claimed it happened post-Kickvic. He can't, though, because that would prove damages. Instead, he's claiming it happened back in '10-11, when NO ONE thought Vic was a predator. All we had were Sabat spreading lies and Jennifer being insane. This absolutely didn't happen. Navy SEALs don't care about some random VA for animoo when the con scene was still 'the wild west' and SJWs hadn't taken as much control.

Tewson is one of those 'tee hee I'm just a neutral observer - now let me spew all the t. greg lines and move goal posts' types, right? I seem to remember Nick mocking her at some point.

Well, so far, God has seemingly been on Vic's side, so he may have sent a plague upon the house of Rooster Teeth. Whether what we are seeing karma or a coincidence can be debated.

Personally, it would be easier to.. digest these happenings at Rooster Teeth if Vic was still employed there. If Vic was still there I would be like "they're good people trying to compete." With Vic gone it's more like "ehh.. Rooster Teeth is either full of fascists that fired an innocent man or bent the knee to Sabat in some attempt to stave off trouble. Either way they need to be broken."

RT has been on a crash course for failure probably since Monty's death, as nothing they would do could come out of the shadow of 'Monty would have done it better', and they slammed on the accelerator when they pulled 'don't like, don't watch' (fans always call that bluff). Vic has just magnified the effect of all of this by stripping public sympathy. It takes away opportunities to spin it or rebound.
 
My personnal analysis: RT were amateurish.
But they had one very valuable asset : Mounty Oum.
Mounty Oum was creative, he designed the RWBY concept and worked hard on his own to make it happen.
RWBY quickly become popular despite a very limited budget, cool characters, cool action scenes, cool musics.
Then Mounty Oum passed, and RWBY writing quicly when downhill, because RT never really understood what made it popular.
Since then, RT tried to do other things, but because they lacks talent beside the tech side, they never managed to do anything as efficient as RWBY.

Vic wasn't the trigger, it was Mounty Oum's death.
Had Mounty Oum never worked for them, not so many people would have ever known RT's existence.
One thing I’ve heard: the conditions were something Monty thrived in.

For the purposes of defamation, it would make Vic a public figure, needing to prove actual malice instead of mere negligence.
Does that mean that the defendants are fucked by way of citing PULL, Tumblr, and Hanleia misquoting someone with actual brain damage?
 
Does that mean that the defendants are fucked by way of citing PULL, Tumblr, and Hanleia misquoting someone with actual brain damage?
Depends on the "actual malice", but if Ty can prove they use the rumor masses being used to bar Vic from cons alongside FUNimation's virtue signaling statement from February, they might win.

Chupp still confuses the hell out of me though.
 
RT has been on a crash course for failure probably since Monty's death, as nothing they would do could come out of the shadow of 'Monty would have done it better', and they slammed on the accelerator when they pulled 'don't like, don't watch' (fans always call that bluff). Vic has just magnified the effect of all of this by stripping public sympathy. It takes away opportunities to spin it or rebound.

I avoided most of the drama RT produced on Twitter or online outside of watching their shows.

I had figured that taking the L on Vic after the subscription increases would be a good step towards rebuilding goodwill. But now this? The company is clearly in deeper trouble than we thought and the rot is a lot deeper than expected.
 
What’s so special about “limited” anyway? Seems a bit technical.
Limited is basically saying Vic inserted himself into the drama and therefor doesn't have the protections of a private citizen, but more than a public figure.
They had hard evidence of Tortious Interference with regard to Kamehacon, and somehow that one got dismissed, so your optimism on defamation definitely exceeds mine, which just seems like a much more subjective call.
Judge can change his mind after Ty ask him too or 3 different judges can tell him to change his mind. In reality TI and Limited are chump change compared to FUNI defamation charge.

Most likely Ty will just ask nice about TI. Then get 95% of the money for defamation and not appealing for the 5% TI case.
 
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Alright, here's the archive of the tweet I posted earlier.
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Then he claims he got that information second hand 🤔
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CoachZac also claims the story is true and implies that he witnessed it. Can't prove it tho 🤔
They say it must've been around '10 '11. Makes even less sense. Why would the fricking Navys know/care about some chinese cartoon voice actor who hugs his fans?

Are there any (former) Navys in this thread that could comment on this? I salute you btw :semperfidelis:

Another thing (and I am in no way claiming that this is a dox or that this is really the same Kathryn Twenson)


Here's a lawtwitter orbiter. Just unbearably smug for not knowing shit, but harmless compared to others. "Harmless" in the sense of: hasn't outright called Vic a pedophile. Still supports people that do, like Greg. More under the spoiler.



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Googled her and came across this. It'd match since she says she lives outside of Seattle. Sings in some choir. If that's her, she looks exactly like you'd expect her to.

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Also has a ravelry account. Not surprising and not interesting.


Her instagram.

(Don't know how to archive)
Has to be at least the same person from the choir.
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Also an "artist" and her artstyle matches her twitter profile picture..
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Likes to make her kid cosplay. At least this one isn't sexualised like Dominique's kid.
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Also apparently has a medium and her one of her "claps" matches quite well.
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Also, I am so fucking dumb, I only just realised she's selling threadnought merch on redbubble.


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Sorry if this was a mess. If anyone wants to find some tweets that could be exemplary to her character, I'd be thankful. I am done for now.
The American armed forces is the only organization on the planet that can outpace the Vatican for sexual assault cover ups, and these two dude bros think vic is the one recruits should be lectured on?
 
The argument for Vic being a public figure is that within 'the anime community' he's a known figure and qualifies as a public figure specifically in that realm.

This of course, only matters to defamation within that realm.

However, I would argue that Vic's public figure status is restricted to actually something much narrower, which is the north american dubbed anime community, and comments directed outside of that community would not have public figure protection
 
Limited is basically saying Vic inserted himself into the drama and therefor doesn't have the protections of a private citizen, but more than a public figure.
Limited more or less means something to the effect in the circles he is concerned with in the case he is a public figure. It has nothing to do with his status post-defaming. The Judge was either making a joke or screwed up when he made the public figure comment.
 
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That doesn't make any sense. How was Vic inserting himself? By being him? Doing more appearances after filing his lawsuit?
He isn't a limited public figure, but the judge kind of called him a public figure. The judge cited the number of people in the court room as a reason Vic was a public figure. He didn't really rule on it, but left that as his impression.

Yeah the judge fucked up a lot of shit. Lemoine was talking about Vic's roles, fans, and twitter followers to claim Vic is a public figure. He didn't even get started when the judge just said, yeah he is lets move on.

The argument for Vic being a public figure is that within 'the anime community' he's a known figure and qualifies as a public figure specifically in that realm.

This of course, only matters to defamation within that realm.

However, I would argue that Vic's public figure status is restricted to actually something much narrower, which is the north american dubbed anime community, and comments directed outside of that community would not have public figure protection

I would argue that by making it a niche that any public figure status would be void. If you have to narrow down the public to a small percentage of themselves, then it shouldn't be the same standard for those that apply it to all of the public.

Limited more or less means something to the effect in the circles he is concerned with in the case he is a public figure. It has nothing to do with his status post-defaming. The Judge was either making a joke or screwed up when he made the public figure comment.
a person who voluntarily and prominently participates in a public controversy for the purpose of influencing its outcome and who is thus required as a public figure to prove actual malice in a defamation suit called also limited public figure compare

:edit: posting this so others can see it if they want

Although the Trotter/Waldbaum test does not distinguish between plaintiffs who have voluntarily injected themselves into a controversy and those who are involuntarily drawn into a controversy, some courts have held that plaintiffs who are drawn into a controversy cannot be categorized as limited-purpose public figures.1  Because, as we explain below, McLemore clearly voluntarily injected himself into the controversy at issue, we need not decide in this case whether “voluntariness” is a requirement under the limited-purpose public-figure test we apply.   Nevertheless, the Trotter/Waldbaum elements provide a “generally accepted test” to determine limited-purpose public-figure status.   See, e.g., Little v. Breland, 93 F.3d 755, 757 (11th Cir.1996);  Harris v. Quadracci, 48 F.3d 247, 251 (7th Cir.1995);  Silvester v. American Broad. Co., 839 F.2d 1491, 1494 (11th Cir.1988);  Faigin v. Kelly, 978 F.Supp. 420, 427 (D.N.H.1997);  Russo v. Conde Nast Pub., 806 F.Supp. 603, 609 (E.D.La.1992);  Brueggemeyer v. American Broad. Co., 684 F.Supp. 452, 455, 457-58 (N.D.Tex.1988).
 
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The argument for Vic being a public figure is that within 'the anime community' he's a known figure and qualifies as a public figure specifically in that realm.

This of course, only matters to defamation within that realm.

However, I would argue that Vic's public figure status is restricted to actually something much narrower, which is the north american dubbed anime community, and comments directed outside of that community would not have public figure protection

Do defamation claims typically go through that degree of scoping? Or just in the case of LPP in order to establish the scope of the 'limited' part?
 
a person who voluntarily and prominently participates in a public controversy for the purpose of influencing its outcome and who is thus required as a public figure to prove actual malice in a defamation suit called also limited public figure compare
I don't think the lawsuit drama is applicable here. If he did stuff publically before he pursued legal actions , his status would change. But if his fame is a byproduct of the suit, I would need a more in depth authority on that specific point. Seems to defy logic.
 
I don't think the lawsuit drama is applicable here. If he did stuff publically before he pursued legal actions , his status would change. But if his fame is a byproduct of the suit, I would need a more in depth authority on that specific point. Seems to defy logic.
Here is the supreme court of Texas.

WFAA TV INC v. McLEMORE

WFAA-TV, INC., Petitioner, v. John McLEMORE, Respondent.
No. 97-0868.
Decided: September 24, 1998

Paul C. Walter,Rachel Elizabeth Boehm, Dallas, R. Matt Dawson, Corsicana, for petitioner. Aubrey R. Williams, Greg White, John Alonzo Montez, Felipe Reyna, Waco, for respondent.
In this defamation suit arising out of the 1993 Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) raid on the Branch Davidian compound at Mount Carmel, we decide whether a media plaintiff, one of only a few journalists to report live from the scene of the raid, whose reports were rebroadcast worldwide, and who willingly gave numerous interviews about his role in the failed raid, is a public figure.   The plaintiff sued WFAA-TV Channel 8 in Dallas alleging that its news reports concerning his role in the failed raid damaged his reputation in the community.   The trial court denied WFAA's motion for summary judgment, and the court of appeals affirmed.  979 S.W.2d 337.   Because we conclude that the plaintiff in this case became a limited-purpose public figure after thrusting himself to the forefront of the controversy surrounding the failed ATF assault, we reverse the court of appeals' judgment and render judgment that the plaintiff take nothing.

On February 28, 1993, ATF agents approached the Mount Carmel compound occupied by the Branch Davidians, a small religious sect that had amassed an arsenal of illegal weaponry.   Two local media outlets, KWTX-TV Channel 10 in Waco and the Waco Tribune-Herald, learned from various sources that a major law enforcement operation would proceed at Mount Carmel that morning.   KWTX-TV dispatched reporter John McLemore and cameraman Dan Mullony to report on the event.

When the ATF agents attempted to enter one of the buildings on the compound, they became involved in a gunfight with the Davidians.   During the battle, four ATF agents and three Davidians were killed, and twenty ATF agents were wounded.   McLemore and Mullony, the only media representatives to follow the agents onto the compound, reported live from the midst of the firefight.

Two days after the gunfight, media reports began to focus on why the ATF raid had failed and what sparked the gunfight.   On March 2, 1998, Kathy Fair, a Houston Chronicle reporter, appeared on Nightline, an ABC news show anchored by Ted Koppel.   During the show, Koppel and Fair discussed the media's role in the botched ATF raid.   Koppel asked what went wrong with the media's coverage, and Fair initially responded that it was too early to determine.   She then suggested ATF agents believed they were set up:

I think many officers will tell you that they blame the media, particularly the local media, for the tragedy that occurred here.   They think the fact that both the newspaper and the local television station, who were already at the compound, some of whom were reporters for, I believe, the TV station, allegedly were already hiding in the trees when federal agents arrived.   And that was the first indication that many of them had that they had been set up, and that's a strong belief I think they have that they have not shared publicly yet, is that they think they were set up.

As soon as the Nightline broadcast ended, KWTX-TV began to receive calls critical of McLemore's role in the raid, even though Fair had not identified him by name.

WFAA picked up the story the next day and began to broadcast reports by Valerie Williams, a WFAA reporter, who repeated Fair's report that ATF agents saw local media hiding in trees at the compound before the attack began.   WFAA then broadcast video footage of McLemore while apparently on the compound grounds.   Williams then continued her report:

The only reporters at the scene Sunday morning were Steve [sic] McLemore and a television photographer from KWTX-TV in Waco and one or two reporters from the local newspaper.   McLemore's news unit was used to transport some of the wounded agents.   Currently his bosses are consulting with attorneys before issuing a statement.

Later that evening, WFAA broadcast a similar piece, again repeating excerpts from Nightline, followed by commentary from Williams:

[T]he only reporters at the scene Sunday morning were John McLemore and a photographer․   Wednesday night McLemore's station ․ demanded a retraction from Nightline saying, “[T]he rumor that a Waco reporter had tipped the cult about the raid in exchange for permission to be on the compound grounds was completely false.   No reporter or photographer from local media was on the compound grounds prior to the raid.”

Soon after the reports aired, McLemore sued WFAA-TV, Valerie Williams, A.H. Belo Corporation, Belo Productions, Inc., the Houston Chronicle, and Kathy Fair for defamation, alleging that their news reports of his role in the failed raid damaged his reputation in the community.   WFAA moved for summary judgment on six grounds:  (1) no defamatory meaning;  (2) fair report privilege;  (3) fair comment privilege;  (4) truth;  (5) no actual malice;  and (6) neutral reporting privilege.   After McLemore nonsuited Williams and the two Belo corporations, the trial court granted summary judgment in favor of the Chronicle and Fair, but denied WFAA's motion for summary judgment.

Affirming the trial court's judgment, the court of appeals concluded that McLemore was a private individual, and as such, he had to prove negligence, not actual malice, in his defamation case.   Because WFAA did not move for summary judgment on the grounds that it acted without negligence, the court of appeals determined that the issue was not before it and remanded the defamation action to the trial court for further proceedings consistent with its opinion.  979 S.W.2d at 343.

WFAA now appeals under section 22.225(d) of the Texas Government Code, which provides this Court with jurisdiction to hear a petition for review from an interlocutory order denying a media party's motion for summary judgment in a defamation case.   Tex. Gov't Code § 22.225(d);  tex. Civ. Prac. & Rem.Code § 51.014(6).   Specifically, WFAA argues that summary judgment is proper because McLemore is a public figure, and as a matter of law, it did not broadcast its reports with actual malice.

To maintain a defamation cause of action, the plaintiff must prove that the defendant:  (1) published a statement;  (2) that was defamatory concerning the plaintiff;  (3) while acting with either actual malice, if the plaintiff was a public official or public figure, or negligence, if the plaintiff was a private individual, regarding the truth of the statement.   See Carr v. Brasher, 776 S.W.2d 567, 569 (Tex.1989)(citing New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254, 279-80, 84 S.Ct. 710, 11 L.Ed.2d 686 (1964)).   To have prevailed on its motion for summary judgment, WFAA must have disproved at least one essential element of McLemore's defamation claim.   See Doe v. Boys Clubs of Greater Dallas, 907 S.W.2d 472, 476-77 (Tex.1995).

Fault is a constitutional prerequisite for defamation liability.   See Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 418 U.S. 323, 347, 94 S.Ct. 2997, 41 L.Ed.2d 789 (1974).   Private plaintiffs must prove that the defendant was at least negligent.   See Foster v. Laredo Newspapers, Inc., 541 S.W.2d 809, 819 (Tex.1976) (holding that “a private individual may recover damages from a publisher or broadcaster of a defamatory falsehood as compensation for actual injury upon a showing that the publisher or broadcaster knew or should have known that the defamatory statement was false”);  see also Gertz, 418 U.S. at 347, 94 S.Ct. 2997 (holding that states may define for themselves the appropriate standard of liability for a publisher of a defamatory falsehood injurious to a private individual “so long as they do not impose liability without fault”).   Public officials and public figures must establish a higher degree of fault.   They must prove that the defendant published a defamatory falsehood with actual malice, that is, with “knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.”  New York Times, 376 U.S. at 279-80, 84 S.Ct. 710 (defining the actual malice standard and applying it to public officials);  see also Curtis Pub. Co. v. Butts, 388 U.S. 130, 87 S.Ct. 1975, 18 L.Ed.2d 1094 (1967) (applying the New York Times actual malice standard to public figures).

Because a defamation plaintiff's status dictates the degree of fault he or she must prove to render the defendant liable, the principal issue in this case is whether McLemore is a public figure.   The question of public-figure status is one of constitutional law for courts to decide.   See Rosenblatt v. Baer, 383 U.S. 75, 88, 86 S.Ct. 669, 15 L.Ed.2d 597 (1966);  Trotter v. Jack Anderson Enters., Inc., 818 F.2d 431, 433 (5th Cir.1987).   Public figures fall into two categories:  (1) all-purpose, or general-purpose, public figures, and (2) limited-purpose public figures.   General-purpose public figures are those individuals who have achieved such pervasive fame or notoriety that they become public figures for all purposes and in all contexts.   See Gertz, 418 U.S. at 351, 94 S.Ct. 2997.   Limited-purpose public figures, on the other hand, are only public figures for a limited range of issues surrounding a particular public controversy.   See id.

To determine whether an individual is a limited-purpose public figure, the Fifth Circuit has adopted a three-part test:

(1) the controversy at issue must be public both in the sense that people are discussing it and people other than the immediate participants in the controversy are likely to feel the impact of its resolution;

(2) the plaintiff must have more than a trivial or tangential role in the controversy;  and

(3) the alleged defamation must be germane to the plaintiff's participation in the controversy.

Trotter, 818 F.2d at 433 (citing Tavoulareas v. Piro, 817 F.2d 762, 772-73 (D.C.Cir.1987) (en banc));  see also Waldbaum v. Fairchild Pub., Inc. 627 F.2d 1287, 1296-98 (D.C.Cir.1980).   Although the Trotter/Waldbaum test does not distinguish between plaintiffs who have voluntarily injected themselves into a controversy and those who are involuntarily drawn into a controversy, some courts have held that plaintiffs who are drawn into a controversy cannot be categorized as limited-purpose public figures.1  Because, as we explain below, McLemore clearly voluntarily injected himself into the controversy at issue, we need not decide in this case whether “voluntariness” is a requirement under the limited-purpose public-figure test we apply.   Nevertheless, the Trotter/Waldbaum elements provide a “generally accepted test” to determine limited-purpose public-figure status.   See, e.g., Little v. Breland, 93 F.3d 755, 757 (11th Cir.1996);  Harris v. Quadracci, 48 F.3d 247, 251 (7th Cir.1995);  Silvester v. American Broad. Co., 839 F.2d 1491, 1494 (11th Cir.1988);  Faigin v. Kelly, 978 F.Supp. 420, 427 (D.N.H.1997);  Russo v. Conde Nast Pub., 806 F.Supp. 603, 609 (E.D.La.1992);  Brueggemeyer v. American Broad. Co., 684 F.Supp. 452, 455, 457-58 (N.D.Tex.198

Applying the Trotter/Waldbaum limited-purpose public-figure elements to this case, we must first determine the controversy at issue.   Trotter, 818 F.2d at 433-34;  Waldbaum, 627 F.2d at 1296.   In Waldbaum, the D.C. Circuit elaborated on how to determine the existence and scope of a public controversy:

To determine whether a controversy indeed existed and, if so, to define its contours, the judge must examine whether persons actually were discussing some specific question.   A general concern or interest will not suffice.   The court can see if the press was covering the debate, reporting what people were saying and uncovering facts and theories to help the public formulate some judgment.

627 F.2d at 1297.   In this case, numerous commentators, analysts, journalists, and public officials were discussing the raid and the reasons why the ATF raid failed.   As evidenced by Fair's comments during the Nightline broadcast, as well as reports by The Dallas Morning News and the Fort Worth Star Telegram, the press was actively covering the debate over why the ATF raid failed.   Many such discussions focused on the role of the local media in the ATF's failure to capture the Davidian compound.   The controversy surrounding the Branch Davidian raid was public, both in the sense that people were discussing it and people other than the immediate participants in the controversy were likely to feel the impact of its resolution.   See Trotter, 818 F.2d at 433;  Waldbaum, 627 F.2d at 1297;  see also Einhorn v. LaChance, 823 S.W.2d 405, 413 (Tex.App.-Houston [1st Dist.] 1992, writ dism'd w.o.j.).   While the court of appeals defined the controversy as limited to “McLemore's personal ethical standards as a journalist,” we do not view it so narrowly.   Based on the facts outlined above, we conclude that the public controversy at issue is the broader question of why the ATF agents failed to accomplish their mission.

To determine that an individual is a public figure for purposes of the public controversy at issue, the second Trotter/Waldbaum element requires the plaintiff to have had more than a trivial or tangential role in the controversy.  Trotter, 818 F.2d at 433;  Waldbaum, 627 F.2d at 1297.   In considering a libel plaintiff's role in a public controversy, several inquiries are relevant and instructive:  (1) whether the plaintiff actually sought publicity surrounding the controversy, Brewer v. Memphis Pub. Co., 626 F.2d 1238, 1254 (5th Cir.1980);  (2) whether the plaintiff had access to the media, see, e.g., Gertz, 418 U.S. at 344, 94 S.Ct. 2997;  Curtis, 388 U.S. at 155, 87 S.Ct. 1975;  and (3) whether the plaintiff “voluntarily engag[ed] in activities that necessarily involve[d] the risk of increased exposure and injury to reputation,” see Brewer, 626 F.2d at 1254;  Waldbaum, 627 F.2d at 1294-95;  see also Kassel v. Gannett Co., Inc., 875 F.2d 935, 939-40 (1st Cir.1989);  Dombey v. Phoenix Newspapers, Inc., 150 Ariz. 476, 724 P.2d 562, 571 (Ariz.1986).  “By publishing your views you invite public criticism and rebuttal;  you enter voluntarily into one of the submarkets of ideas and opinions and consent therefore to the rough competition in the marketplace.”   Dilworth v. Dudley, 75 F.3d 307, 309 (7th Cir.1996).

The record reflects that McLemore acted voluntarily to invite public attention and scrutiny on several occasions and in several different ways during the course of the public debate on the failed ATF raid.   For example, McLemore was the only journalist to go onto the grounds of the compound, while other reporters assigned to cover the raid did not.   By reporting live from the heart of the controversial raid, McLemore assumed a risk that his involvement in the event would be subject to public debate.   Following the battle, McLemore spoke to other members of the press about the attempted raid, conveying his pride in his coverage from the midst of the gunfight, and portraying himself as a hero in assisting wounded ATF agents when he remarked that his role in the raid was “at considerable personal risk” and in contrast to other journalists who “were pinned down in a ditch” outside the compound.   As a journalist, McLemore had ready, continual access to the various media sources.   To one group of reporters, he explained that “as a journalist, I was ․ pleased to see that my coverage of this story was being broadcast to a wide audience.”   Thus, by choosing to engage in activities that necessarily involved increased public exposure and media scrutiny, McLemore played more than a trivial or tangential role in the controversy and, therefore, bore the risk of injury to his reputation.   See Brewer, 626 F.2d at 1254.

The third and final element we consider-that the alleged defamation is germane to the plaintiff's participation in the controversy-is also satisfied in this case.   See Trotter, 818 F.2d at 433;  Waldbaum, 627 F.2d at 1298.   McLemore alleges that WFAA defamed him by displaying footage of his coverage from the scene of the compound during the raid, while reporting that federal officials believed a member of the local media informed the Branch Davidians about the ATF raid.   Therefore, the alleged defamation directly relates to McLemore's participation in the controversy.   He was on the scene in his role as a journalist, as conveyed by the footage WFAA broadcast, and WFAA's alleged defamatory comments are indeed germane to McLemore's participation in the controversy over the media's role in the failed attack.   See Waldbaum, 627 F.2d at 1298-1300 (explaining that a public figure's talents, education, experience, and motives were relevant to the public's decision to listen to him).   Accordingly, McLemore reached limited-purpose public-figure status through his employment-related activities when he voluntarily injected himself into the Branch Davidian raid.

We now turn to the fault standard McLemore must meet in order to sustain his defamation claim against WFAA. As a public figure, McLemore must prove that WFAA acted with actual malice in allegedly defaming him.   See Curtis, 388 U.S. at 162, 87 S.Ct. 1975 (Warren, C.J., concurring);  New York Times, 376 U.S. at 283, 84 S.Ct. 710;  see also Bose Corp. v. Consumers Union of the U.S., Inc., 466 U.S. 485, 510-11, 104 S.Ct. 1949, 80 L.Ed.2d 502 (1984).   Actual malice is a term of art, focusing on the defamation defendant's attitude toward the truth of what it reported.   See McCoy v. Hearst Corp., 42 Cal.3d 835, 231 Cal.Rptr. 518, 727 P.2d 711, 736 (Cal.1986).   Actual malice is defined as the publication of a statement “with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.”  New York Times, 376 U.S. at 279-80, 84 S.Ct. 710.   Reckless disregard is also a term of art.   To establish constitutional recklessness, a defamation plaintiff must prove that the publisher “entertained serious doubts as to the truth of his publication.”  St. Amant v. Thompson, 390 U.S. 727, 731, 88 S.Ct. 1323, 20 L.Ed.2d 262 (1968).

A libel defendant is entitled to summary judgment under Texas law if it can negate actual malice as a matter of law.   See Randall's Food Mkts., Inc. v. Johnson, 891 S.W.2d 640, 646-47 (Tex.1995);  Casso v. Brand, 776 S.W.2d 551, 555 (Tex.1989).   A libel defendant can negate actual malice by presenting evidence that shows he or she did not publish the alleged defamatory statement with actual knowledge of any falsity or with reckless disregard for the truth.   See Casso, 776 S.W.2d at 559.   To negate actual malice in this case, in her affidavit, WFAA reporter Valerie Williams detailed her belief that all of the reports she made were true and set forth the basis of those reports.   Specifically, she swore that “[she] believed [her] reports accurately reflected public allegations by responsible, respected and well-informed journalists and news organizations, regarding a highly newsworthy matter and concerned an official investigation by law enforcement officers of a suspected tip-off of the Branch Davidian cult.”   She explained in detail the foundation of her belief by providing a chronology of the actions she took and the materials she reviewed in preparing her report.   This testimony as to Williams' beliefs and the basis for them was sufficient for WFAA to meet its burden of negating actual malice.   See Randall's Food Mkts., Inc., 891 S.W.2d at 646-47;  Casso, 776 S.W.2d at 559;  Carr v. Brasher, 776 S.W.2d 567, 571 (Tex.1989).   As McLemore presented no proof controverting these specific assertions, WFAA established as a matter of law that it did not act with actual malice in reporting the ATF's investigation into why the Branch Davidian raid failed, and therefore WFAA was entitled to summary judgment on McLemore's defamation claim.

Accordingly, we reverse the court of appeals' judgment and render judgment that McLemore take nothing.

FOOTNOTES

1.  See, e.g., Lerman v. Flynt Distrib. Co., Inc., 745 F.2d 123, 136-37 (2nd Cir.1984) (adopting four-part limited public-figure test, requiring defendant to prove plaintiff:  (1) “successfully invited public attention to his views in an effort to influence others prior to the incident that is the subject of litigation;  (2) voluntarily injected himself into a public controversy related to the subject of the litigation;  (3) assumed a position of prominence in the public controversy;  and (4) maintained regular and continuing access to the media”);  Fitzgerald v. Penthouse Intern'l, Ltd., 691 F.2d 666, 668 (4th Cir.1982) (adopting five-part limited public figure test, requiring defendant to prove:  “(1) the plaintiff had access to channels of effective communication;  (2) the plaintiff voluntarily assumed a role of special prominence in a public controversy;  (3) the plaintiff sought to influence the resolution or outcome of the controversy;  (4) the controversy existed prior to the publication of the defamatory statements;  and (5) the plaintiff retained public figure status at the time of the alleged defamation”);  Clark v. American Broad. Co., Inc., 684 F.2d 1208, 1218 (6th Cir.1982) (considering three elements to determine if plaintiff is limited public figure:  “first, the extent to which participation in the controversy is voluntary;  second, the extent to which there is access to channels of effective communication in order to counteract false statements;  and third, the prominence of the role played in the public controversy”);  But cf.  Gertz, 418 U.S. at 351, 94 S.Ct. 2997 (“More commonly, an individual voluntarily injects himself or is drawn into a particular public controversy and thereby becomes a public figure for a limited range of issues.”).

HANKINSON, Justice, delivered the opinion for a unanimous Court.
 
Do defamation claims typically go through that degree of scoping? Or just in the case of LPP in order to establish the scope of the 'limited' part?
Its just in LPP stuff, obviously.

For example, someone may be a limited public figure on say, a college campus in their role as Dean, but that doesn't mean they're a public figure when defamed otherwise.
 
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