Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

I think the section everyone is looking for is this part of the decision:

Range's vice president averred in general terms that Lipsky's statements caused Range to suffer "direct pecuniary and economic losses and costs, lost profits, loss of its reputation, and loss of goodwill in the communities in which it operates . . . in excess of three million dollars."12 The court of appeals concluded that the affidavit, "by stating that Range had suffered direct economic losses and `lost profits,'" was sufficient "to raise a rational inference. . . that Range lost `trade or other dealings' as a result of statements made by Steven Lipsky." Id. (quoting Hurlbut, 749 S.W.2d at 767).

Lipsky argues, however, that the affidavit is conclusory and therefore insufficient to satisfy the TCPA's requirement of "clear and specific evidence," and we agree. Bare, baseless opinions do not create fact questions, and neither are they a sufficient substitute for the clear and specific evidence required to establish a prima facie case under the TCPA. See Elizondo
[460 S.W.3d 593]

v. Krist, 415 S.W.3d 259, 264 (Tex.2013) ("Conclusory statement. . .[are] insufficient to create a question of fact to defeat summary judgment."); City of San Antonio v. Pollock, 284 S.W.3d 809, 816 (Tex. 2009) (holding conclusory, baseless testimony to be no evidence). Opinions must be based on demonstrable facts and a reasoned basis. Elizondo, 415 S.W.3d at 265. We accordingly disagree with the court of appeals that general averments of direct economic losses and lost profits, without more, satisfy the minimum requirements of the TCPA. Although the affidavit states that Range "suffered direct pecuniary and economic losses," it is devoid of any specific facts illustrating how Lipsky's alleged remarks about Range's activities actually caused such losses. See, e.g., Burbage, 447 S.W.3d at 262 (noting that a jury could not reasonably infer that cancellations for a funeral home business were caused by defamation when any number of reasons could have caused the cancellations).

So Range's VP said in an affidavit essentially that "hey we lost more than 3 million dollars in business because of this" but because he didn't specify HOW he got to that number, it doesn't qualify as clear and specific. Slatoch and Vic clearly enumerated how they got the damages via 18 -

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I think the section everyone is looking for is this part of the decision:



So Range's VP said in an affidavit essentially that "hey we lost more than 3 million dollars in business because of this" but because he didn't specify HOW he got to that number, it doesn't qualify as clear and specific. Slatoch and Vic clearly enumerated how they got the damages via 18 -

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Aaaah, so it would seem it requires some basis of how damages occurred.

Like, for instance, saying how the conditions of a contract, materially changed. Or one side of that contract explaining additional costs.
I am all open to hearing how Beard fucked up, but this definitely does not count in the Mignona case since we have both a breakdown of what Vic regularly gets AND the con owner saying specific changes to the contract which would cost Mignona. Either would be sufficient according to the Texas SC ruling.
 
I think the section everyone is looking for is this part of the decision:



So Range's VP said in an affidavit essentially that "hey we lost more than 3 million dollars in business because of this" but because he didn't specify HOW he got to that number, it doesn't qualify as clear and specific. Slatoch and Vic clearly enumerated how they got the damages via 18 -

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Did Vic have contracts with those groups, or just prospective contracts with them?

For Kamehacon, Ty just did the opposite, asserting how he got the damages but not what they are.

It's almost like you need clear and specific evidence of both.
 
Did Vic have contracts with those groups, or just prospective contracts with them?

For Kamehacon, Ty just did the opposite, asserting how he got the damages but not what they are.

It's almost like you need clear and specific evidence of both.

For the business model that the conventions apparently use, them having to notify him that they are cancelling his appearance would be proof of a contract. The details of the contracts are not generally necessary at this stage, since there's not yet a dispute about the contents, just that they were cancelled. They all stated that the allegations were the cause of the cancellation. Vic also provided an estimated amount for each convention based on facts and reasoning (amounts based on size, previous convention amounts, etc).

For Kamehacon, I don't see how you can't assert how he got the damages without implying what they are. Can you please elaborate on your statement there?
 
Did Vic have contracts with those groups, or just prospective contracts with them?

For Kamehacon, Ty just did the opposite, asserting how he got the damages but not what they are.

It's almost like you need clear and specific evidence of both.
Stop misusing the term "Clear and Specific Evidence". If your intent is to actually convince anyone, then your constant misuse of the term will defeat your purpose. The term means evidence that A: Can be directly cited as meeting the criteria (Clear) and B: Is meant to answer a specific criteria of the charge (Specific).

The elements of TI in Texas are:
1: An existing contract subject to interference;
2: A willful and intentional act of interference with the contract;
3: That proximately caused the plaintiff's injury; and
4: Caused actual damages or loss

Notice, the requirements for TI is not a specific number of damages, only that damages did occur. Additionally, the TCPA requires only that a reasonable, rational inference can be made. This means that Clear and Specific Evidence means that you must provide direct proof that A: There was some form of damages (Clear) and B: That these damages can be linked to defendants actions (Specific, and why it says Proximatly caused)

You do not need to say "I had exactly $30,000 of damages done with the specific breeches in the contract, through this means, and the cost was incurred by this", you need to say "I did incur damages, as can be inferred from the fact I would have received money from this, and the prior sections prove the plaintiff is responsible"

In this case, Vic has what he would normally receive at a convention AND has substantively changed aspects of a contract that both sides of siad contract say cost more. Either is proof that some damages did occur. That is Clear in that it provides what the damages were AND how they occurred, and it is Specific in that it can be clearly linked to Defendant's actions and are specific damages that have occurred, specific in that they can be pointed to as damages caused by defendant.
 
specific in that they can be pointed to as damages caused by defendant.

In Lipsky, the 3 million dollar damage number didn't provide any basis for that value. It was a baseless opinion. This case it's properly enumerated, but it appears the judge cherry picked what he wanted to view - he took the first petition (on time), and then he took the withdrawing of the affidavits(late), but not the second petition(late). If he was going to be consistent, then everything in the first petition should have been on the table, and ANY late filing should have been discarded for the purpose of that hearing.
 
In Lipsky, the 3 million dollar damage number didn't provide any basis for that value. It was a baseless opinion. This case it's properly enumerated, but it appears the judge cherry picked what he wanted to view - he took the first petition (on time), and then he took the withdrawing of the affidavits(late), but not the second petition(late). If he was going to be consistent, then everything in the first petition should have been on the table, and ANY late filing should have been discarded for the purpose of that hearing.
Exactly, comparing Lipsky and this case has some very clear differences. The Lipsky case had a number... effectively pulled special damages from thin air, without the Plaintiff able to point to anything that would form even a rational inference that they should exist. This case asks for normal damages, and provides not one but two ways to provide a rational inference of damages.

Mind, I STILL hold that Beard should have stated specific damages anyway. But my growing distaste of Beard is well documented at this point.

Edit: To be a bit more verbose. From my understanding, the reason that the TCPA hearing allows rational inference and accepts such a low bar of evidence is because it puts a stay on discovery. This, at least in theory, allows a plaintiff to make a minimal case to overcome the lack of discovery, while still providing defendants the ability to have meritless cases thrown out.

I thus hold that if you HAVE the stronger evidence, you should still present it at the TCPA. The purpose the TCPA isn't to provide the minimal amount possible, it allows the minimal amount possible to make up for the extra strain it puts on a plaintiff.
 
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@Gehenna - I fully agree with you.

I want to compare this TCPA hearing to the opening scene of Cars. Way out in front for so long, they got arrogant and lazy, and eventually crashed, burned and ended in a tie. If Lemwah and his team were anywhere near competent, I think this would have been thrown out entirely.

Every single charge of this case didn't even require discovery. For Monica, Ron and Funi, it was all clear as day what was going on, the people that BHBH needed to cooperate were already doing so, and they left such a huge paper trail that a first grader with down syndrome could follow it. Anything less than completely and utterly destroying them in front of the judge is a failure. Now they have a glimmer of hope, and IMO based on what I've seen evidence wise, there's not a single reason other than incompetence for it.

Discovery was to find out what other things they did that we don't know about, who else needed to be dragged into this, and so on.
 
@Gehenna - I fully agree with you.

I want to compare this TCPA hearing to the opening scene of Cars. Way out in front for so long, they got arrogant and lazy, and eventually crashed, burned and ended in a tie. If Lemwah and his team were anywhere near competent, I think this would have been thrown out entirely.

Every single charge of this case didn't even require discovery. For Monica, Ron and Funi, it was all clear as day what was going on, the people that BHBH needed to cooperate were already doing so, and they left such a huge paper trail that a first grader with down syndrome could follow it. Anything less than completely and utterly destroying them in front of the judge is a failure. Now they have a glimmer of hope, and IMO based on what I've seen evidence wise, there's not a single reason other than incompetence for it.

Discovery was to find out what other things they did that we don't know about, who else needed to be dragged into this, and so on.
The last minute affidavits were... questionable. I get why the former funimation actors one was held back so long, it minimized risk to him. But the other two had absolutely no reason to not be in earlier other than Beard trying to spring that on the defense. That and the incredibly sloppy filing, the attempts to drip feed information, etc. I get what they were trying to do, they were trying to inflict maximum damage back onto #KickVic to win the PR war, but they should have first nailed down the LEGAL one before opening up a second front.

Quite frankly, while I am defending the case itself here, it is against my better taste as I feel that if not for the fact it would screw over an innocent man, Beard himself deserved to lose this.
 
Edit: To be a bit more verbose. From my understanding, the reason that the TCPA hearing allows rational inference and accepts such a low bar of evidence is because it puts a stay on discovery. This, at least in theory, allows a plaintiff to make a minimal case to overcome the lack of discovery, while still providing defendants the ability to have meritless cases thrown out.
I think that may be that and the fact that a judge is not supposed to be a finder of fact (if the TPCA allowed the judge to do that, it would violate the 7th amendment). So long as you can prove you have some evidence that you were damaged by the contract being terminated and some evidence that the plaintiff attempted to terminate the plaintiff, you can make a rational inference that the plaintiff was the one who caused at least some of the damage. That way the judge doesn't have to make a decision of fact as to how related the two things are. Later on the Jury would get to decide how much of the linkage the plaintiff is responsible for.

My contention is that we don't really have citations for the idea that the plaintiff doesn't need to put forward any estimation of damages and documents supporting them. The contention of others in this thread seems to be that we don't have citations for the opposite, that the plaintiff needs to put forward estimations of damages and documents supporting them. The only citations we really have are that everyone who made it past TCPA did put forward estimations of costs and documents supporting them, but nothing stating that they were required to. Of course there was one case where original contract and affidavit were enough, but the plaintiff had not been potentially made whole in that case by the creation of a new contract.

The last minute affidavits were... questionable. I get why the former funimation actors one was held back so long, it minimized risk to him. But the other two had absolutely no reason to not be in earlier other than Beard trying to spring that on the defense. That and the incredibly sloppy filing, the attempts to drip feed information, etc. I get what they were trying to do, they were trying to inflict maximum damage back onto #KickVic to win the PR war, but they should have first nailed down the LEGAL one before opening up a second front.

Quite frankly, while I am defending the case itself here, it is against my better taste as I feel that if not for the fact it would screw over an innocent man, Beard himself deserved to lose this.
This may be on the Judge's mind as well. Assuming he only hates Ty at this point and not Vic, it wouldn't be surprising for him to only force Vic to pay back the costs related to TCPA and not any additional sanctions. I don't know what power Texan judges have to sanction lawyers, might be worth looking into.
 
My contention is that we don't really have citations for the idea that the plaintiff doesn't need to put forward any estimation of damages and documents supporting them. The contention of others in this thread seems to be that we don't have citations for the opposite, that the plaintiff needs to put forward estimations of damages and documents supporting them. The only citations we really have are that everyone who made it past TCPA did put forward estimations of costs and documents supporting them, but nothing stating that they were required to. Of course there was one case where original contract and affidavit were enough, but the plaintiff had not been potentially made whole in that case by the creation of a new contract.

This may be on the Judge's mind as well. Assuming he only hates Ty at this point and not Vic, it wouldn't be surprising for him to only force Vic to pay back the costs related to TCPA and not any additional sanctions. I don't know what power Texan judges have to sanction lawyers, might be worth looking into.

To the first, the nature of a prime facie case is what nudges it over. Effectively, a prime facie case is a case requiring an even lower evidence bar than a preponderance of evidence. Furthermore, specifically for the TCPA, all disputes of fact are assumed for the plaintiff for the TCPA only. So, stating "I have damages, here is why, here is the contract, here is how it changed" would assume the fact that the contract and changes inccurred damages, and would then be sufficient for a prima facie case.
I'd agree that no sensible law should allow someone to simply claim damages, that would be... idiotic. But that isn't the situation we have here, and is why I say Chupp done goofed.

Also, I don't think Chupp hates Ty. I think Chupp was fed up by everyone involved and wanted this shit off his docket. I doubt he maliciously went after Ty (The fact anything is still on the board is proof against that). I do think he wants every lawyer but Marchi's to go away and rethink their lives.
 
The last minute affidavits were... questionable. I get why the former funimation actors one was held back so long, it minimized risk to him. But the other two had absolutely no reason to not be in earlier other than Beard trying to spring that on the defense. That and the incredibly sloppy filing, the attempts to drip feed information, etc. I get what they were trying to do, they were trying to inflict maximum damage back onto #KickVic to win the PR war, but they should have first nailed down the LEGAL one before opening up a second front.

Quite frankly, while I am defending the case itself here, it is against my better taste as I feel that if not for the fact it would screw over an innocent man, Beard himself deserved to lose this.

So looking at this case from the defense's point of view here, there's a ton of issues they would need to deal with. It's clear as day to anyone without their blinders on that the defendants have done what they're being accused of, and they'll potentially have to deal with 12 of those individuals if this gets to a trial. So what would be a solid plan of attacking that?

  1. Get the court on your side
  2. Use up as many resources of the plaintiff as possible
  3. Attack their mistakes
So far, we've seen various avenues of all three of these. Court filings that are clearly slandering Vic, attempting to attack the GoFundMe, huge filings that clearly eat up time and resources, and motions that are there clearly to cause BHBH trouble. Ultimately this completely unorthodox approach to a civil case has resulted in BHBH starting to sling poo back, and like they always say in school, the teacher doesn't see the first punch, just the retaliation.

If this is true, and was Lemwah/Casey/Andrea's plan all along, then Ty the wargamer lawyer was completely outplayed once he started playing their game.

He should have immediately denied the TCPA filing extension the second they started playing games, and then continued to systematically take them apart, like what was happening originally. Somewhere along the line, that stopped.

EDIT: Even Ron's twitter diarrhea can be considered as part of this - he left paper trails EVERYWHERE. Why not take 300 tweets and make it 600 so the key ones are more difficult for the judge to find?
 
So looking at this case from the defense's point of view here, there's a ton of issues they would need to deal with. It's clear as day to anyone without their blinders on that the defendants have done what they're being accused of, and they'll potentially have to deal with 12 of those individuals if this gets to a trial. So what would be a solid plan of attacking that?

  1. Get the court on your side
  2. Use up as many resources of the plaintiff as possible
  3. Attack their mistakes
So far, we've seen various avenues of all three of these. Court filings that are clearly slandering Vic, attempting to attack the GoFundMe, huge filings that clearly eat up time and resources, and motions that are there clearly to cause BHBH trouble. Ultimately this completely unorthodox approach to a civil case has resulted in BHBH starting to sling poo back, and like they always say in school, the teacher doesn't see the first punch, just the retaliation.

If this is true, and was Lemwah/Casey/Andrea's plan all along, then Ty the wargamer lawyer was completely outplayed once he started playing their game.

He should have immediately denied the TCPA filing extension the second they started playing games, and then continued to systematically take them apart, like what was happening originally. Somewhere along the line, that stopped.

EDIT: Even Ron's twitter diarrhea can be considered as part of this - he left paper trails EVERYWHERE. Why not take 300 tweets and make it 600 so the key ones are more difficult for the judge to find?
That is a fault with Beard, I don't 100% agree that there was any strategy about that, I seriously doubt Ron could play along, more likely it was a very happy coincidence.

At least from my view, it looked like the defense was trying to bait out a reply from Mignona, trying to get under his skin. That it was beard who cracked is just... pathetic.
 
That is a fault with Beard, I don't 100% agree that there was any strategy about that, I seriously doubt Ron could play along, more likely it was a very happy coincidence.

At least from my view, it looked like the defense was trying to bait out a reply from Mignona, trying to get under his skin. That it was beard who cracked is just... pathetic.

I'm not so sure it was Beard that cracked. My guess is that he passed the TCPA motions off to a junior lawyer, who after becoming familiar with the case lost his shit. He said it himself that the filing was sloppy, but he didn't go into any more detail.
 
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I'm not so sure it was Beard that cracked. My guess is that he passed the TCPA motions off to a junior lawyer, who after becoming familiar with the case lost his shit. He said it himself that the filing was sloppy, but he didn't go into any more detail.
Possibly, and it is a sad truth we probably never will know exactly what clusterfuck occurred to make this all possible. Every single person (Except Marchi's lawyer) dropped every ball in the gym and now we have a sheer clusterfuck that even our resident lawyer kiwis can't fully untangle.
 
To the first, the nature of a prime facie case is what nudges it over. Effectively, a prime facie case is a case requiring an even lower evidence bar than a preponderance of evidence. Furthermore, specifically for the TCPA, all disputes of fact are assumed for the plaintiff for the TCPA only. So, stating "I have damages, here is why, here is the contract, here is how it changed" would assume the fact that the contract and changes inccurred damages, and would then be sufficient for a prima facie case.
I'd agree that no sensible law should allow someone to simply claim damages, that would be... idiotic. But that isn't the situation we have here, and is why I say Chupp done goofed.

Also, I don't think Chupp hates Ty. I think Chupp was fed up by everyone involved and wanted this shit off his docket. I doubt he maliciously went after Ty (The fact anything is still on the board is proof against that). I do think he wants every lawyer but Marchi's to go away and rethink their lives.
Yeah I think it inches closer (especially because the other party is the other party of the contract), but I'm not sure it toes over the line.

I for the life of me just cannot come up with a reason for not including the second contract and documents supporting termination of the first contract other than 1) incompetence from Ty, 2) there was no second contract and they just agreed to reinstate the first contract, or 3) some fact in the second contract would hurt Vic's case (like Slatosch felt bad about abandoning Vic and paid more to in order to cover the additional requirements).
 
Yeah I think it inches closer (especially because the other party is the other party of the contract), but I'm not sure it toes over the line.

I for the life of me just cannot come up with a reason for not including the second contract and documents supporting termination of the first contract other than 1) incompetence from Ty, 2) there was no second contract and they just agreed to reinstate the first contract, or 3) some fact in the second contract would hurt Vic's case (like Slatosch felt bad about abandoning Vic and paid more to in order to cover the additional requirements).

Your point about a second contract is moot in texas. Verbal contracts are fully enforced and both parties to said contract acknowledge it and its contents. Thus, there is legit no need to provide one. What is more, they do provide it (It is heavily implied to be verbal) and they say what the contents were in both Vics and Slatosch's affidavits soooo... what are you on about?

Also, your 3 wouldn't hurt Vic. Being paid more in apology doesn't nullify the breech of the contract, nor nullify any additional expenses related to it, like Vic having to pay for extra security, move to a new location, etc. All elements of the second contract that both parties attest to.

Both parties also attest that the first contract was terminated, again that is entirely sufficient. In fact, both of these are SO sufficient that they are admissible as evidence in the trial itself. As in, their worth goes beyond prima facie.

Edit: The contract itself is fine, the issue at its core that you brought up is whether damages occurred. That is a fact question, but one sufficiently pleaded and proved for a prime facie case in a TCPA. But, the contents of the contract itself are not in dispute and more than sufficiently evidenced. As far as the court is concerned, there was a contract, it was breached, and now there is a new contract. Where Chupp messed up was demanding evidence outside of what the TCPA allows related to the damages. The amount of damages and whether the defendants committed TI is a fact question to be determined later.
 
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He should have immediately denied the TCPA filing extension the second they started playing games, and then continued to systematically take them apart, like what was happening originally. Somewhere along the line, that stopped.

It wasn't a mistake to extend the TCPA filing deadline. Who benefited the most from the case continuing long after it could have ended? Vic. Think about how different the case would have looked if the TCPA was filed on Day 1 and the hearing was scheduled 3 days later. That's what Law Twitter says should have happened, but it didn't because the defendants really wanted to depose Vic.
 
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