Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Junk Dog]

@Junk Dog Just wanted to say I fucking love your avatar.

Thanks, man. Made it myself.

Here it is if you want to save it and spread it around.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

I've been thinking. Since the voice acting side in Texas is........rather shit and Vic has mentioned he turned down role in LA due to depression there is something I have to ask. Would LA let Vic continue to work? I've heard it so many times that the LA side of VA are very quiet about this but as we've seen from LA VA's like DC Douglas,Cristina Vee, and the pansy ass Neil Kaplan who are against him. Even some non Texas VA's like Michelle Ruff and Carrie Keranen who secretly like KV tweets. You could say Viz Media could keep him since they let him be Rohan in the Jojo Part 4 dub but that was a few months before this cluster fuck happened and would they and dubbing studios in LA hire him and risk getting attacked by the KickVic side because believe me they will and they will not stop until he's completely Chris Benoit from the voice acting community.

 

[TheClappening]

Thanks, man. Made it myself.

Here it is if you want to save it and spread it around.
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Slightly off topic, but does anyone remember the "Discovery" faux movie poster with Vic on it. Pure but who knows, we may be getting there in a month

 

[xyz741]

Yes, I only run a successful convention. Absolutely no idea what I'm talking about says the person who's literally never been staff before, and it shows.

If you run a convention that isn't one of the top 10 (AnimeExpo, Otakon, etc) then I'm curious how much you pull in sponsorship. Again, let's call the "aervage" for an anime convention 7,000 attendees, at $50/person (which is low) that's $350,000 from attendees. If you have more than 100 tables for a 7,000 person convention all your dealers will revolt after 1 yer from low sales, so let's say 125 vendors at $1,000/booth = $125,000 (which would be crazy high and overbooked, but whatever). That means, in order for attendees to just be HALF (you claimed it's a fraction, but let's pretend half fits your profile) that means you've gotta be pulling $225,000 in sponsorships. For 7k people that means sponsors are paying you over $32 per person, that's an insane waste of cash (or an incredible job by your sales team, which implies they'd be better used improving that 7k turnout)

Again, there are over 100 cons in the US (alone) annually, that means "sponsors" are spending in excess of $23 MILLION dollars funding anime cons, there is no way in HELL that is happening. If you're with AnimeExpo or ACen or something crazy like SDCC, then maybe you're pulling in good industry coin, but (as I said) for 90% of cons you might get a bunch of lanyards and some giveaways.

Here's the webpage for Kami-con in Birmingham AL. They had over 7,000 attendees in 2018.

Kami-Con | Alabama's Largest Anime & Gaming Comic Con! Jan 31 - Feb 2, 2020 in Birmingham, AL

Kami-Con is Alabama's Largest Anime & Gaming Comic Con! This year's conference will take place January 31 - February 2, 2020 in Birmingham, AL.

www.kamicon.net

I don't see a single sponsor logo on the entire page. Would you pay thousands of dollars to NOT have your name/logo front and center for a convention.

Tokyo in Tulsa (which is probably more in the 10k+ range) at least has "sponsor" logos on the homepage, there's about 20 and include the hotels they're using, the other facilities they're using and the local library. If they have more than $50,000 (and being REAL generous there) in CASH sponsorships I'll eat my hat.

NekoCon in Virginia is in less than 2 months, not a single sponsor on their website, no info anywhere on their website for how one CAN be a sponsor.

I could go on, but most importantly, let's just say this:
Attendees EASILY bring in 6 figures for "small" to medium sized cons (not even counting the really large ones). "Small" to medium sized conventions do NOT cost mid to high 7 figures to run (if you plan and budget well they're mid 6 figures at worst, possibly even 5 figures if you negotiate well) which means if attendees are NOT the large percentage of money for a convention, then how much money is someone putting in their pockets on the backs of oblivious fans and volunteers?

I ain't gonna power-level here, but if you wanna rip the band-aid off and stare at the ugly scab of the anime convention "industry" then we can do that.

 

[Narutaki]

If you run a convention that isn't one of the top 10 (AnimeExpo, Otakon, etc) then I'm curious how much you pull in sponsorship. Again, let's call the "aervage" for an anime convention 7,000 attendees, at $50/person (which is low) that's $350,000 from attendees. If you have more than 100 tables for a 7,000 person convention all your dealers will revolt after 1 yer from low sales, so let's say 125 vendors at $1,000/booth = $125,000 (which would be crazy high and overbooked, but whatever). That means, in order for attendees to just be HALF (you claimed it's a fraction, but let's pretend half fits your profile) that means you've gotta be pulling $225,000 in sponsorships. For 10k people that means sponsors are paying you $22.50 per person, that's an insane waste of cash

Again, there are over 100 cons in the US (alone) annually, that means "sponsors" are spending in excess of $23 MILLION dollars funding anime cons, there is no way in HELL that is happening. If you're with AnimeExpo or ACen or something crazy like SDCC, then maybe you're pulling in good industry coin, but (as I said) for 90% of cons you might get a bunch of lanyards and some giveaways.

Here's the webpage for Kami-con in Birmingham AL. They had over 7,000 attendees in 2018.

Kami-Con | Alabama's Largest Anime & Gaming Comic Con! Jan 31 - Feb 2, 2020 in Birmingham, AL

Kami-Con is Alabama's Largest Anime & Gaming Comic Con! This year's conference will take place January 31 - February 2, 2020 in Birmingham, AL.

www.kamicon.net

I don't see a single sponsor logo on the entire page. Would you pay thousands of dollars to NOT have your name/logo front and center for a convention.

Tokyo in Tulsa (which is probably more in the 10k+ range) at least has "sponsor" logos on the homepage, there's about 20 and include the hotels they're using, the other facilities they're using and the local library. If they have more than $50,000 (and being REAL generous there) in CASH sponsorships I'll eat my hat.

NekoCon in Virginia is in less than 2 months, not a single sponsor on their website, no info anywhere on their website for how one CAN be a sponsor.

I could go on, but most importantly, let's just say this:
Attendees EASILY bring in 6 figures for "small" to medium sized cons (not even counting the really large ones). "Small" to medium sized conventions do NOT cost mid to high 7 figures to run (if you plan and budget well they're mid 6 figures at worst, possibly even 5 figures if you negotiate well) which means if attendees are NOT the large percentage of money for a convention, then how much money is someone putting in their pockets on the backs of oblivious fans and volunteers?

I ain't gonna power-level here, but if you wanna rip the band-aid off and stare at the ugly scab of the anime convention "industry" then we can do that.

Not going to power-level myself(such as it is), but sponsorships aren't always listed on the website; usually, you might find them in the program book, along with ads for Series A from Company B, or Artist's Shop C posting their info and asking you to visit them in Artists' Alley that weekend.

Also, just because there's no email address that you could send theoretical sponsorship inquiries to, it doesn't necessarily mean you can't find out, either via their website, or asking on social media, etc.

Anyway, that's just my two cents. Can we launch Soye and company into a black hole now?

 

[xyz741]

Not going to power-level myself(such as it is), but sponsorships aren't always listed on the website; usually, you might find them in the program book, along with ads for Series A from Company B, or Artist's Shop C posting their info and asking you to visit them in Artists' Alley that weekend.

If you can show me any convention with less than 15,000 attendees that pulls 6 figures (hell, even high 5 figures) in Program Book ads, then I will retract my statement (whoever bought those ads are idiots, but I'll retract). Artists likewise aren't spending that kind of figures on "sponsorships", you can go look up artists talking about their revenue at cons at their gross profits for "great" cons barely break 5 figures, they usually just promote their table through their own twitter/instagram/etc.

And I say again, any convention that has banked mid to high 6 figures (at minimum) in gross profits without factoring a single attendee badge into the equation either doesn't give a shit about the attendees (because as was claimed, the sponsors are setting the budget) and/or is laughing at all the nerds while they're cashing checks. (or, absolute worst case, is hilarious inept at managing money)

EDIT: Also, if you make "sponsors" put effort into finding out how to sponsor you, then you ain't getting much in sponsorships. There's a reason donation driven businesses have people that put a lot of effort into "begging" for donations, your average anime con doesn't have companies just chomping at the bit to hand them money for promo.

 

[Moguro Fukuzou]

I've been thinking. Since the voice acting side in Texas is........rather shit and Vic has mentioned he turned down role in LA due to depression there is something I have to ask. Would LA let Vic continue to work? I've heard it so many times that the LA side of VA are very quiet about this but as we've seen from LA VA's like DC Douglas,Cristina Vee, and the pansy ass Neil Kaplan who are against him. Even some non Texas VA's like Michelle Ruff and Carrie Keranen who secretly like KV tweets. You could say Viz Media could keep him since they let him be Rohan in the Jojo Part 4 dub but that was a few months before this cluster fuck happened and would they and dubbing studios in LA hire him and risk getting attacked by the KickVic side because believe me they will and they will not stop until he's completely Chris Benoit from the voice acting community.

I'm not super informed on how the western anime industry runs so I'm largely basing this on how I personally would be looking at the situation if I was these companies, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I'm not accounting for any studios immediately bending the knee and with no knowledge as to where the people inside the companies lean.

I think it will depend mainly on how the case goes and gauging which side of the argument would be easier to not pay attention to so as to least affect their consumer base. If the community at large is very supportive of him then they might think they can see an increase in a shows sales simply for listing him as a VA, you see sale increases happen when a person might not care for the show yet want to show support for Vic. They may win good publicity for taking a clear stance that Vic still has a business relationship with them among Vic's strongest supports. Even if the anime community at large is just neutral towards Vic then they won't really have to worry about too much substantial backlash, besides those diehard KV types, since it's not enough to stop them from buying a show just because some guy is voicing someone. Summing up: Wait and see where common opinion is and see if that would influence the amount of sales if Vic was/wasn't included.

Die hard KV will always be there no matter what happens in the end, what matters for these companies is a) Are they our buyer base, b) If so, are they a substantial part, c) how much public pressure can they exert on us if we go against them. Questions like these are why I understand why these companies are keeping quiet and almost certainly are closely observing the situation to figure out those points. KV can cry all they want but if they have zero reach in comparison to Vic supporters then why should a company care what they think, if companies side with them they could face worse backlash. Customers don't take kindly to companies listening to a small minority and you can end up getting people to boycott. What's even worse is that those boycotting wouldn't just be Vic supporters but also general customers, you could end up with a net negative if KV doesn't have enough purchasing power to replace those lost. Would KV boycott have the same problem? Summing up: Capitalism ho! Which side brings in the most profit? Which side boycotting would hurt our profit the most?
Of course, companies could just quietly just never hire Vic to avoid any kind of backlash by never confirming or deny anything in regards to the situation. I can see this being the most likely to happen for the major companies sadly.

Also, speaking as someone who doesn't care about dubs I highly doubt that him voicing a character would upset most subbed watchers. I think many that are sub-only don't keep up at all with the Vic drama nor care and aren't going to switch on the dub anyway. Personally, I wouldn't care if Monica voiced a character from a show I want because I probably wouldn't know in the first place and also I have no intention of watching the dub.

 

[Jamestyalor4312]

Welp seems the allegation train keeps rolling. This is now the 2nd allegation Sean has racked up that I've seen. A bit shady the girl joined just today and grave dug a thread but I mean everyone one of these allegations are shady as fuck but they get used against Vic. But I assume this will just be dubbed "not important because not about Vic", and swept under the rug. I screenshotted because it's on ANN forums and they are very strong KV supporters so I have a feeling the mods might delete it as "gravedigging", just to oust the claim.

 

[SpiralStars]

Claptrap was the best part of Borderlands anyway.



So basically like I said it. If Vic decided on his own to start a PR campaign going to the press and whatnot to address the 'widespread rumors' and get everyone's attention on him and those rumors, and in return kickvic started, that would make him LPPF. It still wouldn't protect Monica, Marchi or Funimation, though, since they still knowingly lied. And likely not protect Ron, either. The LPPF argument is pretty dumb because in this case, Actual Malice is already there.

No only if there was a following defamation from the willful public exposure. For example, they've accused the push back as a harassment campaign. That would likely qualify as a LPPF if they tried to sue over it being called a harassment campaign.

 

[quickthrowaway]

Welp seems the allegation train keeps rolling. This is now the 2nd allegation Sean has racked up that I've seen. A bit shady the girl joined just today and grave dug a thread but I mean everyone one of these allegations are shady as fuck but they get used against Vic. But I assume this will just be dubbed "not important because not about Vic", and swept under the rug. I screenshotted because it's on ANN forums and they are very strong KV supporters so I have a feeling the mods might delete it as "gravedigging", just to oust the claim.

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There were accusations of plenty of other people before, during, and after the attack on Vic. One of the many reasons why I thought something was up with Vic's accusation because despite all of these accusations Vic was the only one these parasites had any interest in pursuing.

 

[Elric of Melnibone]

Jason Douglas voices Krieg

This physically hurts me, why Krieg, you were the conductor of the poop train. Like all of these woke VA's have voiced shit that were they really this sensative would cause them to die of a shock induced heart attack. Seriously a meat bicycle built for two. . .

Borderlands 2 - Krieg: A Meat Bicycle Built for Two

What goes on inside the mind of Krieg the Psycho? Why did he become a Vault Hunter in the first place? Do his pecs, in fact, have pecs? Find out the answers ...

www.youtube.com

Why cant more VA's be like Steven Ogg and just embrace the weird. (If I have missed Ogg being an SJW or something please dont break my conditioning, I literally can not handle the voice of Treavor Philips to be a sack of shit.)

 

[SpiralStars]

@SpiralStars
Dude. I kept it short for readability. I'm not infering a legal conclusion, I'm not a judge. Stop sperging.

I just said that Vic could be considered a LPPF because of the lawsuit, like in a later event that didn't and will probably never happen.
"Vic became a LPPF in the context of the lawsuit" means "Everything said about Vic in regard to the lawsuit falls under the TCPA (unless malice)".
For instance, he could be legit LPPF, therefore TCPA'd, if he were trying to sue any (unbiased) media outlet reporting on the lawsuit right now.

PS: My definition came from an online law dictionnary, proudly opposing the wiki definition was gay.

Sorry that online law dictionary is probably the cause of the different takes on what qualifies as LPPF, especially in this case. I recognized that definition and got spergy. It's horrically unclear for laymen.

It probably is the leading hit on Google because is can be taken both ways, so it's the answer people like he most and repeat the most. The other definitions that disappoint half the people where court drama with LPPF is a factor stay ranked lower.

 

[Mr. Sandwiches]

If Rooster Teeth was smart, they'd cull some of the many rampant, malignant, autistic growths festering deep within their company. Shannon McCormick would be a great place to start.

Rooster Teeth doesn't care; they're going to be assimilated into Warner anyway.

 

[A Watchful Ghost]

Rooster Teeth doesn't care; they're going to be assimilated into Warner anyway.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch just yet. We recently have seen Marchi get out of the suit by mere luck. If anything, I am interested to see how they are going to be doing during the RWBY season. Which is their most profitable time of the year, and the deals with Hasbro either going through or falling apart. The downsizing speaks a lot of what is going on, but until they file for bankruptcy. We have to keep our eyes open if something will come to save them

 

[SenutiSolidus]

This physically hurts me, why Krieg, you were the conductor of the poop train. Like all of these woke VA's have voiced shit that were they really this sensative would cause them to die of a shock induced heart attack. Seriously a meat bicycle built for two. . .

Borderlands 2 - Krieg: A Meat Bicycle Built for Two

What goes on inside the mind of Krieg the Psycho? Why did he become a Vault Hunter in the first place? Do his pecs, in fact, have pecs? Find out the answers ...

www.youtube.com

Why cant more VA's be like Steven Ogg and just embrace the weird. (If I have missed Ogg being an SJW or something please dont break my conditioning, I literally can not handle the voice of Treavor Philips to be a sack of shit.)
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With cancel culture my friend a *lot* of celebs need to at least show a face of SJW-ism. don't be surprised if he's done it. And he's done a lot more stuff than just GTAV so he can't just "go all out" and sit on his GTAV money if he ever wants to voice act again.

 

[Chudbacca]

Late reply, but I'll list a few more Borderlands voice actors on KickVic side.
SungWon Cho (Prozd) voices FL4K, his tweet on Vic, http://archive.fo/I4EtX.
Jason Liebrecht voices Mordecai, or people here know him as Qrow's replacement in RWBY.
Jason Douglas voices Krieg, he tweeted this, http://archive.fo/sE1T7
Brina Palencia voices Moxxi, Colleen Clickenbeard voices Lilith and Tannis. Kick Vic VAs list thanks to @OneHandClapping.
Marissa Lenti voices Moze, she tweeted Dallas Morning News and retweeted March's tweet victims not coming forward. http://archive.fo/asOnf.

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I was going to play the game in German anyway because the writing sounds stupid as hell. All of those people are r3tards and should nuke their Twitters.

Look at the one girl kissing Jamie and Monica's asses. I doubt they give a single shit.

Going to meet Vic tomorrow, folks! Will let you know how he seems to be doing.

 

[Foolish Samurai Warrior]

Why the heck does Borderlands have so many Funimation VAs anyway? Is it because they don't want unionized actors? I mean they let go of Nolan North and Troy Baker for crying out loud.

 

[Mister Y]

Sorry that online law dictionary is probably the cause of the different takes on what qualifies as LPPF, especially in this case. I recognized that definition and got spergy. It's horrically unclear for laymen.

Don't worry, and don't apologize. The line about being gay was nothing but a joke.
The wiki definition and the one I got from the online law dictionnary are pretty much the same.
It's more that you misconstructed my "in the context of the lawsuit" which is totally on me for being way too synthetic.

 

[quickthrowaway]

Why the heck does Borderlands have so many Funimation VAs anyway? Is it because they don't want unionized actors? I mean they let go of Nolan North and Troy Baker for crying out loud.

Cause Gearbox is in Texas and they like cheap labor.

 

[Son of Sparda 84]

If you didn't care about Vic then you known your role and shut your mouth months ago

http://archive.is/zlPaJ