Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

The discord stuff is coming off as way too weird. That's definitely not the font for discord (although you can get screwy with the browser version and change the font), the screen capped message is extremely specific and damning, and the timing for the leak is extremely suspect. I want to believe Jamie is dumb enough to have said something like that, but at the same time I dont want to run this story to the press only to find out it's a gayop and I'm now dumber than Shane.

Until anything more concrete comes from this (can ty subpoena discord for messages from a closed server?) this is likely a dead end not worth going down.

how fucking stupid do you have to be to confirm your own dox
But muh victim points
 
That discord post feels way fake on one count alone. The guy doesn't know who Ron is. A fourth of the defendants and no dice. FIANCE of world renown Whonica rial. No but seriously if you are interested in this case you know Ron. There's no way you can avoid that

From the sound of it they were only on the discord a few days. Though that raises the question of their member selection process if you can go from "nobody" to "secret discord server" in a matter of days.

My point being if this person followed Marchi or Shane their exposure to Ron would be limited. Also how quickly they rose through the ranks to avoid seeing Ron.
 
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That discord post feels way fake on one count alone. The guy doesn't know who Ron is. A fourth of the defendants and no dice. FIANCE of world renown Whonica rial. No but seriously if you are interested in this case you know Ron. There's no way you can avoid that
I thought the same at first, but with the way the whole thing is worded to begin with, Jess doesn't really strike me as someone who is interested in this case.
At this point, "please stop fighting guys" doesn't sounds as something coming from someone who is following the weeb wars, from either side, even in a gayops.
Still, it doesn't make it more legit in any way.

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About the discord:

1 - it's not actually a problem if Jamie's face + name is different from what it was then, assuming she later changed it to that one when the screenshot was taken. Like with Twitter, discord updates your previous messages to the newer one. However, that image being used is her current Twitter avatar. According to her story, the discord shut down in June. Was Jamie using that icon in Twitter during June?

2 - Jamie isn't likely to discuss faking Monica's story in public, of all stories, because Monica's story is the backbone of Kickvic. Even in a kickvic conspiracy discord, they're essentially together because they believe Vic really is a predator. She wouldn't risk that by admitting Monica's story is faked, even to them. (Remember, Monica uses this story to evict Vic from Funimation and from Rooster Teeth, and very likely used it on cons, too)

3 - There's only one screencap. Where are the others? Why did this person only take one orphaned screencap of one message? Where's Monica's response, or the through-traffic of chat between their discussion?

4 - For one single grab, it's too convenient. Jamie's basically explaining her super villain plot with an 'as you know...' conveniently in the one message that was recorded and posted. It's not unreasonable if a whole chunk of text was grabbed, like with Emmett Plant flouncing after the Discord didn't treat him as important enough - in that one, we see someone else is trying to plot something while Emmett is obviously trying to craft his story, but they're stepping on each other, so we get nothing definitive from either of them.

5 - They indicate they didn't know the server was going to shut down, so they didn't pre-emptively grab screenshots. What motivated them to grab that one? Why wait two or three months to show it, particularly after a TCPA hearing that Ty would have loved to have that for, if it were real? But they also mention that silence was assured by bribery/threats involving the ability to personally talk with the VAs in the server. If so, what VAs were this person speaking to? Show logs of those, as those don't vanish.

6 - It might be entertaining to see people run with it anyway, just to see how kickvic reacts. It's probably fake, but that doesn't mean the reactions to it from kickvic might not provide something interesting.
 
One thing: I thought the reason Vic was thrust in was because ANN didn’t want to be caught being a little too cozy with Dylan.
Yes, from my understanding ANN and others tried to make Vic the focus to distract from the issue with Dylan. It’s a pretty obvious case of wagging the dog. My personal theory of this whole thing is that there are two “conspiracies” that have been going after Vic. The first is the Funimation clique, Sabbat, Monica, that whole gang. The second is ANN and some of their affiliates on social media, people like Marzgirl and all the Channel Awesome alumni that seem to keep popping up. There may be some communication and overlap, but mostly they are two separate entities.
 
Yes, from my understanding ANN and others tried to make Vic the focus to distract from the issue with Dylan. It’s a pretty obvious case of wagging the dog. My personal theory of this whole thing is that there are two “conspiracies” that have been going after Vic. The first is the Funimation clique, Sabbat, Monica, that whole gang. The second is ANN and some of their affiliates on social media, people like Marzgirl and all the Channel Awesome alumni that seem to keep popping up. There may be some communication and overlap, but mostly they are two separate entities.
didn't ann start writing their hit pieces on vic to distract that their freind hazukari was a sex pest.
 
From the sound of it they were only on the discord a few days. Though that raises the question of their member selection process if you can go from "nobody" to "secret discord server" in a matter of days.

My point being if this person followed Marchi or Shane their exposure to Ron would be limited. Also how quickly they rose through the ranks to avoid seeing Ron.
Except that would only work on the server. On Twitter rn? No way Jose
 
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2 - Jamie isn't likely to discuss faking Monica's story in public, of all stories, because Monica's story is the backbone of Kickvic. Even in a kickvic conspiracy discord, they're essentially together because they believe Vic really is a predator. She wouldn't risk that by admitting Monica's story is faked, even to them. (Remember, Monica uses this story to evict Vic from Funimation and from Rooster Teeth, and very likely used it on cons, too)
Agree with everything you said but that. They're SJWs, they see themselve a genius masterminds while thinking everyone else is dumb as fuck.

They put names in their affidavits, thinking no one would reach a Stan Dahlin because he's no longer part of the con scene or a EriMin because she's in japan.
They used pictures of random girls, not even thinking those girls could ever come foward to challenge their made up stories.
They used a frame from a video, thinking that no one would ever find the original video that disproves their narrative.
They used a photoshoped picture, not thinking that there was ways to debunk it.
 
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@Mister Y is right tho if you keep lying and lying over and over. it will get to a point where no one will believe you

so i don't get how that is misogyny.

when did we say that we stand with vic.
 
didn't ann start writing their hit pieces on vic to distract that their freind hazukari was a sex pest.
Yup that’s what I said, Hazukari’s real name is Dylan. This is also why I’m not sure how much the people spearheading KV has to do with the Broken Staircase List, because before the intervention by ANN it was going to Target them more than it was going to target Vic.

Remember these people always project, when they accuse someone of doing something without proof it’s because they are actually doing it.
 
when did we say that we stand with vic.
I think I might need to get this out the way because we always make fun of kv that claim to be neutrals, so it is only fair to do that here. Many of us do stand with vic though. Maybe not because he is some guy who voices anime characters, but because they were driving a good man to suicide with their bullshit. I think many of us had gotten to liking vic, while still knowing he is a flawed man.
 
I think I might need to get this out the way because we always make fun of kv that claim to be neutrals, so it is only fair to do that here. Many of us do stand with vic though. Maybe not because he is some guy who voices anime characters, but because they were driving a good man to suicide with their bullshit. I think many of us had gotten to liking vic, while still knowing he is a flawed man.
The important part isn't that people take his side. The important part is that as a whole we don't because we are individual people not a hivemind
 
Agree with everything you said but that. They're SJWs, they see themselve a genius masterminds while thinking everyone else is dumb as fuck.

They put names in their affidavits, thinking no one would reach a Stan Dahlin because he's no longer part of the con scene or a EriMin because she's in japan.
They used pictures of random girls, not even thinking those girls could ever come foward to challenge their made up stories.
They used a frame from a video, thinking that no one would ever find the original video that disproves their narrative.
They used a photoshoped picture, not thinking that there was a way to debunk it.

A few notes:

Apparently they did contact Dahlin, expecting him to agree with them. He did not.

They blocked EriMin in the hope that she wouldn't be able to contact them and wouldn't be willing to step out and say something if she happened to hear about it. Likely they didn't realize @EriMin actually kept in contact with Vic on friendly terms.

Exhibits 3+ are accurate, but to be fair those are basically the outer orbiters of kickvic. Lemoine couldn't even be bothered to question Vic about Michelle's story, that one kickvic youtuber girl I can't even remember the name of, and ANN - while more important than the others - is still pretty incompetent and lazy with their journalism.

Comparatively, Monica's story is what she used to guilt Tammi Denbow into getting Vic fired, and then to pressure Funimation into making their defamatory tweets against him. She used that story to get Vic fired from RT, as well, and Ron's tweets to KC indicate she probably used it on cons, too. Personally, I think the reason why Tammi's story doesn't add up is because she's hiding the fact that Monica's story is the one that actually triggered the investigation and the firing - which she is hiding because it would absolutely strengthen the conspiracy angle. Especially if Tammi didn't question Vic about it, because she just believed Monica.

My point is, some of the key links in the real damage done by Monica likely rely on people believing Monica because 'she's such a good and personable woman, she'd never lie about something like this' (Even Chuck, who is Vic's personal friend thought that Monica and Marchi had some kind of experience with Vic that they were misconstruing/blowing out of proportion for good intentions) - Marchi openly discussing that the story is fake with Monica as late as May is extremely unlikely.

Marchi secretly discussing that the story is fake with Monica as late as May - like say in DMs in Twitter or Discord - though, that one is totally possible. Because she's stupid.

I think I might need to get this out the way because we always make fun of kv that claim to be neutrals, so it is only fair to do that here. Many of us do stand with vic though. Maybe not because he is some guy who voices anime characters, but because they were driving a good man to suicide with their bullshit. I think many of us had gotten to liking vic, while still knowing he is a flawed man.

Kickvic conflates 'standing with' Vic and 'blindly fanboying' Vic. Plenty of people stand with or are otherwise functionally on the same side of #istandwithvic simply because, upon looking at the evidence, they conclude that Vic isn't guilty of the accusations. They're not necessarily his fans, some might not even like him (because they have no soul and don't smile at puppies) and would be happy to pile on him if he were in the wrong...he just isn't.
 
The important part isn't that people take his side. The important part is that as a whole we don't because we are individual people not a hivemind
the point is, we document and laugh at the fucking retards involved. thankfully, the tcpa hearing has flushed out plenty of iswv people to mock, was getting worried only one side had retards
 
Kickvic conflates 'standing with' Vic and 'blindly fanboying' Vic. Plenty of people stand with or are otherwise functionally on the same side of #istandwithvic simply because, upon looking at the evidence, they conclude that Vic isn't guilty of the accusations. They're not necessarily his fans, some might not even like him (because they have no soul and don't smile at puppies) and would be happy to pile on him if he were in the wrong...he just isn't.
Yeah I did not know how to phrase it, but that is roughly what I meant. I mean obviously many of us do side with vic, but only because evidence favors him.
 
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Good lord, somebody shoot me in the ears

Way to burn Cruel Angel Thesis even more


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Not only is that a terrible attempt at a meme but it's also dragging eva into it. Gives me the same feeling I get when I see some KV twit using an anime I actually like for their profile pictures, those shows don't deserve to be linked with them.

Nice palate cleanser for anyone that needs it.
Yeah I did not know how to phrase it, but that is roughly what I meant. I mean obviously many of us do side with vic, but only because evidence favors him.
Besides being a fan of Vic I find just the behavior of a lot of the big KV players make me side more with ISWV, they really aren't giving off a good first impression to be perfectly honest. Even while saying that, I don't care for most of the ISWV side and all the people that have attached themselves to it for clicks. I will laugh at ISWV just as much as I laugh at KV should they deserve it, them being on the "same side" as me won't stop that.
 
Yay, I got quoted by a KV moron! Achievement unlocked!
Look at those disingenuous asshole, halfassedly hiding my username and trying to pretend that they're not the kind to point fingers while doing exactly that with a obviously willingfuly bad editing. So much exceptionnalism.

PS: Must said I'm impressed by the lack of culture those people are able to demonstrate... Peter and the wolf, never heard of it? That's a tale advocating for wolf attacks, apparently.
 
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