Horrorcow Zoe Quinn / Chelsea Van Valkenburg / Locke Valentine / @UnburntWitch / @Primeape / CrashOverride / Hat Box / Old Uncle Anime - Con Artist, Abuser, Sexual Harasser, Drove Alec Holowka to Suicide.

[AnOminous]

I found a white knight of Zoe Quinn!
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This guy needs to fucking kill himself.

 

[MirrorNoir]

At what point is she going to cross the line where even her SJW acolytes stop defending her and censoring anyone that tries to report on her? Apart from using them as pay pigs I don't understand why Reset era finds her so enduring.

Is she going to play the "waaa people posting naked photos of me online" card again since not a single journalist seems to be able to do a shred of research and find out she posted the pics herself to pron sites.

I think it would take a Weinstein level convergence of events to take down Zoe and get her thrown to the wolves and destroyed.

Someone in the media, with credentials that make them relatively untouchable or at the very least, someone who is snow white enough to get past the lunatic left's bubble, will have to have the fucking balls to do an in-depth story with names being named, of all of Zoe's sins and all of the people (and I mean ALL of them) in the media who have lied and slandered and blood libeled to protect her.

And then, that person would require help from the right wing media, as far as using the right wing media to put behind the scenes pressure on the left wing media by threatening to not only publish the story nailing Zoe to the fucking wall, but also NAME FUCKING NAMES of the people in the media who tried to spike that story and explain in graphic detail how Zoe has a history of having her media cronies do so. To basically force the left wing media to run the story and finally publicly denounce Zoe as a monster by threatening to reveal the web of corrupt journalists that is protecting and enabling Zoe and covering up her murder of an innocent man she falsely accused of rape.

And even then, like Weinstein, you'd need extra variables to further make sure Zoe and her cronies don't blood libel their way out of it.

Like having Alex's parents publicly denounce Zoe as a monster/call on Canadian authorities to have Zoe arrested. Or have someone produce irrefutable videotape/audio evidence of Zoe admitting to shit (like manipulating the media to cover up her crimes or having lied about being raped); as recorded proof of Weinstein's crimes was critical in bringing him down in terms of being a cornerstone of Ferrell's investigation. Either because they want insurance to use against Zoe in the event she betrays them or because they do a warped version of calculus in their head that convinces them that the fame they get bringing Zoe Quinn and her enablers down, will be well worth the risk.

Matt Taibbi would be the best person to spearhead this, since he's probably one of the few people on the left not part of the cult of SJW politics anymore after he refused to worship at the alter of Russiagate. Given the longstanding implications that Gamergate played a role in Trump's ascension, having him go after Zoe and exposing her sins and her enablers would fit right in with his current works which are primarily focused upon exposing left wing corruption in the media and the government. And since he's outside the pop culture media bubble, most of Zoe's protectors wouldn't be able to touch him directly in terms of threats. And those who could, probably would not want to go after someone like Taibbi, who is still relatively popular even after his excommunication from the left and would only make people more likely wanting to bring Zoe down given her status as a nobody who somehow thinks the media is her very own personal army to harm anyone who gets in her way.

 

[Tsusaba109]

Trying to look at the bright side, I can't find any publications even attempting to defend her after Anna's bombshell, most articles about Zoe Quinn on google news stem from Anna's.I know N4G is very relevant, but they initially censored the new revelations about Zoe, but brought the article back after backlash.

Also Resettera never even attempted to reopen the thread about her, they must know she's either indefensible or think they will have to ban a lot of people if they try to open discussion. Even on twitter, most comments about her are negative and 95% of her support is the twitter pronoun mafia.

She might keep her head above water, but I can't see things going back to the way they were for her.

 

[Maamtis]

Trying to look at the bright side, I can't find any publications even attempting to defend her after Anna's bombshell, most articles about Zoe Quinn on google news stem from Anna's.I know N4G is very relevant, but they initially censored the new revelations about Zoe, but brought the article back after backlash.

Also Resettera never even attempted to reopen the thread about her, they must know she's either indefensible or think they will have to ban a lot of people if they try to open discussion. Even on twitter, most comments about her are negative and 95% of her support is the twitter pronoun mafia.

She might keep her head above water, but I can't see things going back to the way they were for her.

If her circle had an IQ point to share among them they'd realise that she's doing their side more harm than good at this point. They should start gathering evidence and make their move soon.

*Edit* What I mean to say is Zoe Quinn is over. She doesn't need to be your mascot anymore.

 

[George Cuckzunian]

Weird, now that all the awful people left to found ResetERA, NeoGAF seems OK.
It's like it was exercised of its demons or something.

...And who said sexual assault never lead to anything positive...

The Jaffrey thing weirds me out. He is willing to admit that Zoe may be lying but defends her because he doesn't want people hunting her down. I remember he fence rode GG but when presented with real evidence switched to the anti side. Honestly this guy is a so pathetic because it's not that he is misinformed or refuses too ideologically entrenched to accept facts, its that he is consciously choosing to make these dumb decisions but pretends to be a reasonable fence rider that actively goes through the proof and makes an educated decision.

You think Zoe banged him like she banged so many others? I mean she seems like the kinda slut you'd wanna keep in your back pocket for an occasional 3some.

Why the fuck is she still getting work from DC?

Comics are still big, just in other forms. Manga, manhwa, and webtoons. Granted, there is woke shit in each of these too but I think there is less of it than in the DC and Marvel comic series.

You guys are thinking of this Comic shit all wrong. How much do you think Comic companies are paying these fags as compared to industry vets? How much do you think they are still spending for physical copy production? How much PR do they get from stirring up controversy before pushing out the major money maker IP movies?

They are hiring people who accept "exposure" as payment, to handle crap that doesn't make them much money, to stir controversy and guage what not to do with their IP movies while getting free promo, placing them in throw away one shot creations that normally no one would of gave a shit about.

So what happened to comics? They stopped being about sales and became a wing of their marketing department for the movies and figured they had a monopoly in Comics so they can atleast cover variable costs via units sold.

Why is Manga picking up? Well the stories are unique and there was a lul in good anime that has lead to a rediscovery of what flew under the main stream radar, good stuff comming out now, people are tired of the same stories being retredded with super hero crap and the non super stuff being SJW garbage.

Monica Lewinsky.

I swear to fucking god, why the hell is Zoe Quinn so goddamned connected‽

Durring GG she was tied to SilverString media (Unsure if they are still around or named that). Also when GG got shut down in media was when people dug up how the DOD was funding PR companies for this kind of coverage and contracting PR stuff. People learned Zoe was super connected to PR companies. What does Lewinsky do now other than PR whore for sucking off a sitting president?

Woah. This is fucked up even for Twitter.

ALL of the negative comments on her comeback tweet are gone, and now it's been flooded with loving and supportive comments. I saw at least 25 comments blaming her for Alec when I first checked it, and now ALL of them are gone. There is literally not a single negative comment in the thread now. What kind of connections does she still have at Twitter?

You must be new here. Look at who went to speak at the Twitter trust and safety council in 2013, and you'll see Randi Harper, Zoe, Anita, etc. Randi Harper who is still close to Zoe is still active on Twitter trust and safety council.

No, it's fake but it keeps turning up every few days.

It's almost like it was intentionally created as an easily disprovable fake "proof" in order to discredit people calling Zoe out, and when someone stops bringing up its fake durring one of those weeks it will be thrown back in everyones faces.[/QUOTE]

 

[Dickens Cider]

It returning every day or two is a minor distraction probably about 90% of the people asking about it by now are actually her shills. The reason I figure it is a safe bet is simply that everyone that even knows who the fuck she is, which isn't that high a number outside the fucksticks she knows, already KNOW its fake. Also I think her dog should call CON. Look into its eyes. Thats a dog that has seen the horrors, and its eyes seem to beg for euthanasia in its kibble. The horror...

 

[TheGuntMobile99]

...And who said sexual assault never lead to anything positive...

The Jaffrey thing weirds me out. He is willing to admit that Zoe may be lying but defends her because he doesn't want people hunting her down. I remember he fence rode GG but when presented with real evidence switched to the anti side. Honestly this guy is a so pathetic because it's not that he is misinformed or refuses too ideologically entrenched to accept facts, its that he is consciously choosing to make these dumb decisions but pretends to be a reasonable fence rider that actively goes through the proof and makes an educated decision.

You think Zoe banged him like she banged so many others? I mean she seems like the kinda slut you'd wanna keep in your back pocket for an occasional 3some.







You guys are thinking of this Comic shit all wrong. How much do you think Comic companies are paying these fags as compared to industry vets? How much do you think they are still spending for physical copy production? How much PR do they get from stirring up controversy before pushing out the major money maker IP movies?

They are hiring people who accept "exposure" as payment, to handle crap that doesn't make them much money, to stir controversy and guage what not to do with their IP movies while getting free promo, placing them in throw away one shot creations that normally no one would of gave a shit about.

So what happened to comics? They stopped being about sales and became a wing of their marketing department for the movies and figured they had a monopoly in Comics so they can atleast cover variable costs via units sold.

Why is Manga picking up? Well the stories are unique and there was a lul in good anime that has lead to a rediscovery of what flew under the main stream radar, good stuff comming out now, people are tired of the same stories being retredded with super hero crap and the non super stuff being SJW garbage.



Durring GG she was tied to SilverString media (Unsure if they are still around or named that). Also when GG got shut down in media was when people dug up how the DOD was funding PR companies for this kind of coverage and contracting PR stuff. People learned Zoe was super connected to PR companies. What does Lewinsky do now other than PR whore for sucking off a sitting president?



You must be new here. Look at who went to speak at the Twitter trust and safety council in 2013, and you'll see Randi Harper, Zoe, Anita, etc. Randi Harper who is still close to Zoe is still active on Twitter trust and safety council.



It's almost like it was intentionally created as an easily disprovable fake "proof" in order to discredit people calling Zoe out, and when someone stops bringing up its fake durring one of those weeks it will be thrown back in everyones faces.

[/QUOTE]
The infamous Captain America nazi reveal was a perfect example of comics working as outrage marketing, though driving someone to blow their brains out is the kind of controversy that tends to be bad across the board, Sure most people will still consume but murder is something you don't want to touch regardless from a pr stand point

 

[Count groudon]

I found a white knight of Zoe Quinn!
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Sorry man, I think Zoe’s proven that she’s more than capable of killing a guy without a sword.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Matt Taibbi would be the best person to spearhead this, since he's probably one of the few people on the left not part of the cult of SJW politics anymore after he refused to worship at the alter of Russiagate. Given the longstanding implications that Gamergate played a role in Trump's ascension, having him go after Zoe and exposing her sins and her enablers would fit right in with his current works which are primarily focused upon exposing left wing corruption in the media and the government. And since he's outside the pop culture media bubble, most of Zoe's protectors wouldn't be able to touch him directly in terms of threats. And those who could, probably would not want to go after someone like Taibbi, who is still relatively popular even after his excommunication from the left and would only make people more likely wanting to bring Zoe down given her status as a nobody who somehow thinks the media is her very own personal army to harm anyone who gets in her way.

As much as I hate Zoe and her personal army I think it needs saying that the vast majority of the public has no idea who she is, doesn't care and thinks video games are for children/manchildren. I'm not saying I agree with it but that's reality. There's no verifiable proof that she's part of some government op or she planned to drive Alec to suicide. If there is then maybe but even then I doubt anyone outside video games or /pol/ cares.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

As much as I hate Zoe and her personal army I think it needs saying that the vast majority of the public has no idea who she is, doesn't care and thinks video games are for children/manchildren. I'm not saying I agree with it but that's reality. There's no verifiable proof that she's part of some government op or she planned to drive Alec to suicide. If there is then maybe but even then I doubt anyone outside video games or /pol/ cares.

This. At the absolute best, you'll get some minor write up about "shitty art community is shit". Nothing short of them having been an actual, intentional conspiracy to have him kill himself is going to peak any mainstream interest.

 

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This. At the absolute best, you'll get some minor write up about "shitty art community is shit". Nothing short of them having been an actual, intentional conspiracy to have him kill himself is going to peak any mainstream interest.

The only time anyone in the mainstream will ever care about Cancel Culture is if Cernovich actually successfully uses it against the left again.

Then it will be the worst thing ever™ and a serious problem that needs addressing immediately, at least to stop the "alt-right russian troll fascist neo-nazi capitalists® " from doing it. Once they're stopped, then it'll be ok again.

 

[SlimyCuntStain]

The only time anyone in the mainstream will ever care about Cancel Culture is if Cernovich actually successfully uses it against the left again.

Then it will be the worst thing ever™ and a serious problem that needs addressing immediately, at least to stop the "alt-right russian troll fascist neo-nazi capitalists® " from doing it. Once they're stopped, then it'll be ok again.

Who did Mike Cernovich cancel, out of curiosity?

Quite a few of my dyke and faggot friends are talking about the woes of cancel culture these days. Bill Burr's and Dave Chappelle's latest specials too. Even though the hard left continue their whining, I feel like with most regular people, the narrative from media on the left is losing a lot of its credibility.

Maybe I'm just being hopeful though.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Who did Mike Cernovich cancel, out of curiosity?

The mad lad forced JAMES GUNN of all people underground for a while. He most likely wasnt actually canceled though (he was welcomed back to just so happen to direct GOTG 3 later and after a "hiatus" of just a few months). It would be very difficult either way to get this shit done again though since the memory holes have gotten so much bigger and it's causing people to forget everything now. Plus, while Zoe is well within strike range of anybody with a spine, she's mastered being a cuck magnet. You'd need one of the fucks she manipulated to fight back and be smart and neither are things she will ever approach for more than a night.

 

[TheGuntMobile99]

check this Zoe supporter out, hes mental https://twitter.com/sadk0v

 

[AnOminous]

There's no verifiable proof that she's part of some government op or she planned to drive Alec to suicide.

She didn't plan on Alec killing himself. That does absolutely no good for her. If anything, his suicide will ultimately hole her reputation below the waterline, even if she seems to have support now. So did Requires Hate and other cancerous toxic people who are now only white knighted by scummy, bottom tier people like Jake Alley and Nora Reed. Her clout is permanently damaged.

If she actually had deliberately driven him to suicide because she hated her ex that badly, that would actually be more human and normal than what she actually is. She's a reptile who went after him because he was weak and wouldn't hit back. She just didn't know she could actually kill him, or care, and like most sociopaths, really has no understanding of the long term consequences of her actions. When those consequences come, she is never at fault.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

check this Zoe supporter out, hes mental https://twitter.com/sadk0v

That's some Alex Jones shit, right there -

 

[Dickens Cider]

check this Zoe supporter out, hes mental https://twitter.com/sadk0v

Wow. This guy went down the rabbit hole, pulled the hole over his head along with the rabbit, and dug for Russia. I am sure he has a wall with string attached to everything in the late 20th century, which shows that JFK and RFK were killed by the CIA and KGB to hide the moon base from which aliens were working on Alienware products in the late 50s along with all the software needed to spread misogyny via user agreements with the SOLE purpose of raping Zoe Quinns nappy dugout in the early 21st century. Of course only HE has figured it out and as soon as Anderson Cooper lets the restraining order lapse He will TOTALLY be able to use the statue of liberty as a radio beacon to spread the word that ZOE QUINN SAYS OBEY AND LISTEN AND OBEY AND LISTEN (ad infinitum) etc etc etc send money.

 

[Jack Awful]

That's some Alex Jones shit, right there -
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Is he implying that if it was a car accident it would be Zoe's fault?

 

[Dork Of Ages]

Spoiler: sadk0v's spicy ass take

https://twitter.com/sadk0v/status/1172832892214530048 (archive.is, WayBack Machine)

Checking in on Commie Benson:

Spoiler: retweet of nitw content

Funny how he's fine with retweeting stuff from a game which he worked on for an ABUSER which gave him PTSD, along with working 7 HOUR DAYS. Weird! It's almost like that it will be his only cash cow, so he has to retweet stuff about it.

Spoiler: Evidence of being friends with Bethanny Hockenberry for a decade + past poorfag adventures

https://twitter.com/bombsfall/status/1172626658832080896 (archive.is, WayBack Machine)

lol poorfag. But seriously, no wonder that he and his waifu ended up betraying Alec. They have been friends for more than a decade and are probably dug in on their "woe is me" shit, and probably couldn't stand that someone like Alec could have been sucessful and talented (and probably at least financially healthy) despite having crippling mental problems, while they have nothing to justify their failures other than just being grifty shmucks.

While Chelsea is on partial radio silence, let's revisit some of her old posts, shall we?

Spoiler: Answering a reddit dating question

https://www.reddit.com/r/dating/com...tell_if_she_wants_me_to_chase_her_or/dapro4x/ (archive.is)

Wonder if Chelsea ever communicated her intentions and boundaries to Alec...

Spoiler: Tumblr post talking about the value of shutting the fuck up (lol)

https://thezoequinn.tumblr.com/post/166412730503/the-value-of-just-shutting-the-fuck-up-sometimes (archive.is, WayBack Machine)

Spoiler

The Value Of Just Shutting The Fuck Up Sometimes

A few weeks ago, I was doing an interview with a reporter and she was asking about almost every weird GamerGate conspiracy theory that had come up about me in the last few years. I’ve honestly forgotten more of them than I remembered at this point. She didn’t seem to understand why I’d never addressed most of the accusations which had ranged from whose dick I touched to literally murdering people. She said in researching me for the piece, she’d only ever found the weirdo accusations but not my version of events, and seemed to not understand why I wouldn’t just say what actually did or didn’t happen.

I can’t blame her for being curious. I think whenever we hear something wild, especially about someone or something we care about, we want to know answers. Lord knows if you’re the one being lied about, it’s a natural impulse to want to set the record straight or give your side of anything.

Sadly, that’s extremely short sighted. No one thinks about what might happen next.

It’s been over three years of being accused of all kinds of shit from all kinds of people, and if I’ve learned nothing else, I’ve learned the importance of restraint and the responsibility that comes with having a large platform and gigantic visibility. It makes me feel like a kaiju where any small movement could potentially tip over a building. I’ve written a bunch in my book about how engaging with bad-faith accusations and signal boosting them just to refute them can easily backfire and ingrain false information in people’s minds even further. That can sometimes just come down to a math problem - if someone with an audience of 50 makes up a rumor about you, if you respond to it with your audience of 500, more people are going to see the false stuff than would otherwise. To complicate matters, there are enough people out there who think that even refuting something at all makes you look guilty. There are people who want you to be guilty because they already don’t like you. Frequently, bad-faith accusations will not be addressed by proof to the contrary, because you can’t reason someone out of something they didn’t reason themselves into in the first place. People are complicated.

But when you put your side of anything out there, the thing that comes next isn’t usually “oh, okay”. The thing that comes next is usually escalation. It’s people digging into shit trying to prove you wrong. It’s invasive, and it can have so much collateral damage.

For example, when people ask me why I didn’t address my ex’s claims about who I did and didn’t sleep with, even when I had the floor, I get why they’d ask. My own desire to keep some remaining shred of my privacy aside, those claims aren’t just about me. I’ve been accused of sleeping with people I haven’t ever really talked to, people who are pretty private in general who just want to be left the hell alone. I don’t have the right to drag them back into a messy situation that involves probably getting stalked and yelled at by nazis just to try and save my own skin, especially since it’s more likely than not that people are just going to believe whatever they want to anyway. Or maybe that’s me being cynical after watching years of people claiming that I fucked someone for a review I never got from a website I already had written for in the past. I honestly have, I think understandably, lost a bit of perspective on that particular point.

This is especially complicated by situations like mine, because I am under constant surveillance by people who hate my guts who are looking for people to hurt, and people looking to feed on “drama”, and people looking for new targets. If you think that’s being dramatic, there are places I know of that have threads specifically about stalking me *to this day* with literally thousands of posts in them. Bad faith actors aside, my audience is in the hundreds of thousands. The responsibility that comes with that is something I take extremely seriously.
It’s something that I encourage everyone else with big online platforms to take extremely seriously too. I think a lot of us internet famous folks ended up here without really trying to, and it’s easy to feel like “well I didn’t ask for this and it’s not my fault if something happens” and while, yeah, sure, you can’t take responsibility for the actions of other people (especially people who are super out there and just looking to hurt someone regardless of whatever you’re doing), I see no reason to not try to minimize harm. A power dynamic doesn’t cease to exist just because you didn’t explicitly seek that power out, or maybe didn’t even want it in the first place. People who have less resources than you will still have less resources than you regardless of how you feel about it.

When there’s a significant power differential at play, there’s harm algebra to be done when it comes to addressing disinformation. It’s not as simple as “just setting the record straight” in public, because once you make something public you give up a certain degree of control that you cannot get back. It might mean putting someone who is already hurting or has so much less than me in more harm than I’d ever face by just taking the reputation hit.

Sometimes there’s situations where I just have to take it on the chin, because nothing happens in a vacuum. Sometimes I just have to let it go, no matter how much it fucking sucks to have people out there tearing into you for reasons that really have very little to do with you, because the collateral damage is too much on too many people to justify any potential repairs to my reputation.

Honestly, it’s really not worth it to me to escalate a situation just to make a frequently pointless attempt at getting people to be more critical of the wild shit they read about me online, especially when it means probably hurting someone else. It’s been years and I still don’t know how to navigate a lot of this. I’ve tried so much already - talking about bigger stuff, proving what actually happened, attempting to prove negatives, responding only with screenshots of fighting game win screens. It’s not like people making shit up about me, regardless of motivation, is a novel occurrence in my life. It’s not like I’ve made the right call all the time - I’ve arrived at this method of dealing with shit after making a lot of *wrong* calls. I’ve been pretty open about being a bad fit for being a public figure of any sort - I was (and still feel) vastly unprepared to handle being a weird symbol to so many people who want all kinds of things from me regardless of if they need a villain or a hero or a symbol of whatever the fuck.

Frankly I can’t live my life around playing whack a mole with whatever new horseshit slithers out of the corners of the internet on any given day that ends in Y, because when I was trying to do that it really almost cost me my life.

A fun side effect of being a survivor of domestic violence is how easy it is to slip back into doubting your own life and experiences to a hyperbolic degree. A fun side effect of depression is feeling like everything you say and do is bad and wrong and that you’re worthless on a regular basis. A fun side effect of my PTSD is flashing back to being in that fucking elevator shaft when GamerGate started and I couldn’t sleep or eat and was convinced everyone would turn on me and I’d be alone forever any time some conspiracy comes up that hits me at just the right angle that it gets under my armor.

But I know that’s squarely out of my control. All I can do is manage what I do with that. I don’t know what else to do other than seek external advice from people smarter than me when something comes up that really gets under my skin or makes me doubt my own version of events even when I damn well know something didn’t happen to help counter the trashbrain filter that the disinformation comes in through because having those issues doesn’t let me off of any hooks. I don’t want to use any of that, or even my status as someone who is frequently targeted with shit that I’m too exhausted to type out so just picture me gesturing vaguely at everything to absolve me of anything. I don’t ever want to think I’m above reproach, so I check in with people around me who will be honest and call me on my shit. When I do fuck up, and I do because I’m a human in an extremely weird fucking situation, I do whatever seems like the right thing to do, not the face-saving thing to do. Sometimes, this is shit that’s done in private. I don’t know why people assume everything has to be handled extremely online. But overwhelmingly more often than not, shit is maliciously made up, and more often than not the only right move that will de-escalate shit and hurt the least amount of people is just letting it go and praying that people will see through it, or they’ll actually talk to me if they see some wild accusation. And if people wanted to look for reasons to think the worst and get the knives out immediately, honestly, I feel extremely done with anyone looking to build people up only to gleefully tear them back down. I’m tired and I’ve watched too many communities devour themselves to want any part of that, and am only interested in working toward a future that’s centered on restorative justice instead of exclusively punitive systems in different settings. I’m tired of enthusiastic disposibility masquerading as community. All that behavior says to me is that I was never safe around you in the first place.

I know I’m taking a gigantic risk in even posting this to begin with because I know it’s an uncomfortable subject, but it feels like a bigger, longer-term risk to watch my comrades, siblings, and friends all scared and lost on either side of the power dynamic - both as people who have grievances with people with gigantic platforms, and as people who have gained both visibility and the jealousy and hatefollows that come with it. I’m tired of talking about this stuff in dms with other scared people who don’t know what to do. And by no means do I think this is the only way to deal with any of this - this is just how I feel, and how I approach being someone who went from being some random weirdo to being a cultural football. Your mileage may vary. Hopefully I figure out a way that’s less dehumanizing, and if I do, I’ll be sure and let you know. But again, I’m a random weirdo game developer. I’m figuring this shit out as I go, and I lean into my skids and wear my heart on my sleeve and if y'all want to throw me in the trash over being aggressively vulnerable and human at you, that’s ok. You don’t have to like me or support me, and I like trash anyway.

Shit’s pretty fucked up in the world right now (duh), but the very least we can do is really interrogate how and what we use our varying degrees of reach and visibility for. We have to see ourselves as part of something larger and look at our impact instead of just our intentions. For me, sometimes that means that being right doesn’t mean a damn thing and is unrelated to doing the right thing. Sometimes, for me, that means knowing when to just shut the fuck up and let people think what they’re gonna think. And if nothing else, I’ve seen that on a long enough timeline, people tend to figure out who makes shit up without my involvement.

So I’m only gonna say all of this once, here, so that I never have to say it again and I can point at it any time I’m asked to weigh in on something someone said about me on the internet, because god damn I’m tired and I’d rather spend my time and effort trying to help people and make dope shit than fuss about what people think they know about me.

I’ve learned the importance of restraint and the responsibility that comes with having a large platform and gigantic visibility. It makes me feel like a kaiju where any small movement could potentially tip over a building.

Bad faith actors aside, my audience is in the hundreds of thousands. The responsibility that comes with that is something I take extremely seriously. It’s something that I encourage everyone else with big online platforms to take extremely seriously too.

It’s not as simple as “just setting the record straight” in public, because once you make something public you give up a certain degree of control that you cannot get back. It might mean putting someone who is already hurting or has so much less than me in more harm than I’d ever face by just taking the reputation hit.

Honestly, it’s really not worth it to me to escalate a situation just to make a frequently pointless attempt at getting people to be more critical of the wild shit they read about me online, especially when it means probably hurting someone else.

Shit’s pretty fucked up in the world right now (duh), but the very least we can do is really interrogate how and what we use our varying degrees of reach and visibility for. We have to see ourselves as part of something larger and look at our impact instead of just our intentions. For me, sometimes that means that being right doesn’t mean a damn thing and is unrelated to doing the right thing.

Very valid arguments. If only she thought of them before doing the Alecpost!
Also:

I don’t ever want to think I’m above reproach, so I check in with people around me who will be honest and call me on my shit.

lol sure chelsea

 

[TheGuntMobile99]

Spoiler: sadk0v's spicy ass take

https://twitter.com/sadk0v/status/1172832892214530048 (archive.li, WayBack Machine)

Checking in on Commie Benson:

Spoiler: retweet of nitw content

Funny how he's fine with retweeting stuff from a game which he worked on for an ABUSER which gave him PTSD, along with working 7 HOUR DAYS. Weird! It's almost like that it will be his only cash cow, so he has to retweet stuff about it.

Spoiler: Evidence of being friends with Bethanny Hockenberry for a decade + past poorfag adventures

https://twitter.com/bombsfall/status/1172626658832080896 (archive.li, WayBack Machine)

lol poorfag. But seriously, no wonder that he and his waifu ended up betraying Alec. They have been friends for more than a decade and are probably dug in on their "woe is me" shit, and proably couldn't stand that someone like Alec could have been sucessful and talented (and probably at least financially healthy) despite having crippling mental problems, while they have nothing to justify their failures other than just being grifty shmucks.

While Chelsea is on partial radio silence, let's revisit some of her old posts, shall we?

Spoiler: Answering a reddit dating question

https://www.reddit.com/r/dating/com...tell_if_she_wants_me_to_chase_her_or/dapro4x/ (archive.li)

Wonder if Chelsea ever communicated her intentions and boundaries to Alec...

Spoiler: Tumblr post talking about the value of shutting the fuck up (lol)

https://thezoequinn.tumblr.com/post/166412730503/the-value-of-just-shutting-the-fuck-up-sometimes (archive.li, WayBack Machine)

Spoiler

The Value Of Just Shutting The Fuck Up Sometimes

A few weeks ago, I was doing an interview with a reporter and she was asking about almost every weird GamerGate conspiracy theory that had come up about me in the last few years. I’ve honestly forgotten more of them than I remembered at this point. She didn’t seem to understand why I’d never addressed most of the accusations which had ranged from whose dick I touched to literally murdering people. She said in researching me for the piece, she’d only ever found the weirdo accusations but not my version of events, and seemed to not understand why I wouldn’t just say what actually did or didn’t happen.

I can’t blame her for being curious. I think whenever we hear something wild, especially about someone or something we care about, we want to know answers. Lord knows if you’re the one being lied about, it’s a natural impulse to want to set the record straight or give your side of anything.

Sadly, that’s extremely short sighted. No one thinks about what might happen next.

It’s been over three years of being accused of all kinds of shit from all kinds of people, and if I’ve learned nothing else, I’ve learned the importance of restraint and the responsibility that comes with having a large platform and gigantic visibility. It makes me feel like a kaiju where any small movement could potentially tip over a building. I’ve written a bunch in my book about how engaging with bad-faith accusations and signal boosting them just to refute them can easily backfire and ingrain false information in people’s minds even further. That can sometimes just come down to a math problem - if someone with an audience of 50 makes up a rumor about you, if you respond to it with your audience of 500, more people are going to see the false stuff than would otherwise. To complicate matters, there are enough people out there who think that even refuting something at all makes you look guilty. There are people who want you to be guilty because they already don’t like you. Frequently, bad-faith accusations will not be addressed by proof to the contrary, because you can’t reason someone out of something they didn’t reason themselves into in the first place. People are complicated.

But when you put your side of anything out there, the thing that comes next isn’t usually “oh, okay”. The thing that comes next is usually escalation. It’s people digging into shit trying to prove you wrong. It’s invasive, and it can have so much collateral damage.

For example, when people ask me why I didn’t address my ex’s claims about who I did and didn’t sleep with, even when I had the floor, I get why they’d ask. My own desire to keep some remaining shred of my privacy aside, those claims aren’t just about me. I’ve been accused of sleeping with people I haven’t ever really talked to, people who are pretty private in general who just want to be left the hell alone. I don’t have the right to drag them back into a messy situation that involves probably getting stalked and yelled at by nazis just to try and save my own skin, especially since it’s more likely than not that people are just going to believe whatever they want to anyway. Or maybe that’s me being cynical after watching years of people claiming that I fucked someone for a review I never got from a website I already had written for in the past. I honestly have, I think understandably, lost a bit of perspective on that particular point.

This is especially complicated by situations like mine, because I am under constant surveillance by people who hate my guts who are looking for people to hurt, and people looking to feed on “drama”, and people looking for new targets. If you think that’s being dramatic, there are places I know of that have threads specifically about stalking me *to this day* with literally thousands of posts in them. Bad faith actors aside, my audience is in the hundreds of thousands. The responsibility that comes with that is something I take extremely seriously.
It’s something that I encourage everyone else with big online platforms to take extremely seriously too. I think a lot of us internet famous folks ended up here without really trying to, and it’s easy to feel like “well I didn’t ask for this and it’s not my fault if something happens” and while, yeah, sure, you can’t take responsibility for the actions of other people (especially people who are super out there and just looking to hurt someone regardless of whatever you’re doing), I see no reason to not try to minimize harm. A power dynamic doesn’t cease to exist just because you didn’t explicitly seek that power out, or maybe didn’t even want it in the first place. People who have less resources than you will still have less resources than you regardless of how you feel about it.

When there’s a significant power differential at play, there’s harm algebra to be done when it comes to addressing disinformation. It’s not as simple as “just setting the record straight” in public, because once you make something public you give up a certain degree of control that you cannot get back. It might mean putting someone who is already hurting or has so much less than me in more harm than I’d ever face by just taking the reputation hit.

Sometimes there’s situations where I just have to take it on the chin, because nothing happens in a vacuum. Sometimes I just have to let it go, no matter how much it fucking sucks to have people out there tearing into you for reasons that really have very little to do with you, because the collateral damage is too much on too many people to justify any potential repairs to my reputation.

Honestly, it’s really not worth it to me to escalate a situation just to make a frequently pointless attempt at getting people to be more critical of the wild shit they read about me online, especially when it means probably hurting someone else. It’s been years and I still don’t know how to navigate a lot of this. I’ve tried so much already - talking about bigger stuff, proving what actually happened, attempting to prove negatives, responding only with screenshots of fighting game win screens. It’s not like people making shit up about me, regardless of motivation, is a novel occurrence in my life. It’s not like I’ve made the right call all the time - I’ve arrived at this method of dealing with shit after making a lot of *wrong* calls. I’ve been pretty open about being a bad fit for being a public figure of any sort - I was (and still feel) vastly unprepared to handle being a weird symbol to so many people who want all kinds of things from me regardless of if they need a villain or a hero or a symbol of whatever the fuck.

Frankly I can’t live my life around playing whack a mole with whatever new horseshit slithers out of the corners of the internet on any given day that ends in Y, because when I was trying to do that it really almost cost me my life.

A fun side effect of being a survivor of domestic violence is how easy it is to slip back into doubting your own life and experiences to a hyperbolic degree. A fun side effect of depression is feeling like everything you say and do is bad and wrong and that you’re worthless on a regular basis. A fun side effect of my PTSD is flashing back to being in that fucking elevator shaft when GamerGate started and I couldn’t sleep or eat and was convinced everyone would turn on me and I’d be alone forever any time some conspiracy comes up that hits me at just the right angle that it gets under my armor.

But I know that’s squarely out of my control. All I can do is manage what I do with that. I don’t know what else to do other than seek external advice from people smarter than me when something comes up that really gets under my skin or makes me doubt my own version of events even when I damn well know something didn’t happen to help counter the trashbrain filter that the disinformation comes in through because having those issues doesn’t let me off of any hooks. I don’t want to use any of that, or even my status as someone who is frequently targeted with shit that I’m too exhausted to type out so just picture me gesturing vaguely at everything to absolve me of anything. I don’t ever want to think I’m above reproach, so I check in with people around me who will be honest and call me on my shit. When I do fuck up, and I do because I’m a human in an extremely weird fucking situation, I do whatever seems like the right thing to do, not the face-saving thing to do. Sometimes, this is shit that’s done in private. I don’t know why people assume everything has to be handled extremely online. But overwhelmingly more often than not, shit is maliciously made up, and more often than not the only right move that will de-escalate shit and hurt the least amount of people is just letting it go and praying that people will see through it, or they’ll actually talk to me if they see some wild accusation. And if people wanted to look for reasons to think the worst and get the knives out immediately, honestly, I feel extremely done with anyone looking to build people up only to gleefully tear them back down. I’m tired and I’ve watched too many communities devour themselves to want any part of that, and am only interested in working toward a future that’s centered on restorative justice instead of exclusively punitive systems in different settings. I’m tired of enthusiastic disposibility masquerading as community. All that behavior says to me is that I was never safe around you in the first place.

I know I’m taking a gigantic risk in even posting this to begin with because I know it’s an uncomfortable subject, but it feels like a bigger, longer-term risk to watch my comrades, siblings, and friends all scared and lost on either side of the power dynamic - both as people who have grievances with people with gigantic platforms, and as people who have gained both visibility and the jealousy and hatefollows that come with it. I’m tired of talking about this stuff in dms with other scared people who don’t know what to do. And by no means do I think this is the only way to deal with any of this - this is just how I feel, and how I approach being someone who went from being some random weirdo to being a cultural football. Your mileage may vary. Hopefully I figure out a way that’s less dehumanizing, and if I do, I’ll be sure and let you know. But again, I’m a random weirdo game developer. I’m figuring this shit out as I go, and I lean into my skids and wear my heart on my sleeve and if y'all want to throw me in the trash over being aggressively vulnerable and human at you, that’s ok. You don’t have to like me or support me, and I like trash anyway.

Shit’s pretty fucked up in the world right now (duh), but the very least we can do is really interrogate how and what we use our varying degrees of reach and visibility for. We have to see ourselves as part of something larger and look at our impact instead of just our intentions. For me, sometimes that means that being right doesn’t mean a damn thing and is unrelated to doing the right thing. Sometimes, for me, that means knowing when to just shut the fuck up and let people think what they’re gonna think. And if nothing else, I’ve seen that on a long enough timeline, people tend to figure out who makes shit up without my involvement.

So I’m only gonna say all of this once, here, so that I never have to say it again and I can point at it any time I’m asked to weigh in on something someone said about me on the internet, because god damn I’m tired and I’d rather spend my time and effort trying to help people and make dope shit than fuss about what people think they know about me.

Very valid arguments. If only she thought of them before doing the Alecpost!
Also: lol sure chelsea

The dating advice is actually disturbing, not because it's bad but because it goes counter to her every action we know of in her own life. I wonder if this is how she lures her more inner circle, telling them in one ear actual self improvement and self esteem building advice while whispering in the other that this all hinges on how well they please her