Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

Well...no. What fucked his end of the hearing was three things. First, the 8/30 Filing, which was awful and late and entirely his fault. Second, the way he tried to get around how much of a shitheap that was by filing the 2aP. Third, he didn't prepare for the possibility that the 2aP would get struck, and then he got stuck trying to argue his shitass 8/30 filing, what with its lack of clear and convincing evidence and missing arguments.

That's not gaming and Machiavellian plans. That's laziness and incompetence.
You and I view that late filing differently. He should have had those affidavits much earlier, he should have had the stronger case much earlier. The only LOGICAL reason he delayed those was to spring them on the defendants. He tried to trap them, and it backfired.
 
I think everyone agrees that was sloppy but texas caselaw has a strong suggestion that the 2aP should have been allowed and he did not need leave of the court to have it considered because a TCPA hearing is not a trial.

We know at least two of them cannot on the face of it even try to settle and that is Rial and Toye. They stated in their pleading that there would never be any agreement to settle, they wanted a trial, they should have a trial. Chupp F'd up and I believe he knows it, the day before he was chastised by the State Supreme Court on another matter and when he walked in we could see he was salty. Now Chupp has pulled them in, and yes Ms. Marchi your back in, your attorney has stated as much in his letter which let the judge know he would be out of town the 23rd to 30th. If your attorney is concerned he would miss something then your not free and clear. The only one who has even a bit of interest in settling would be Funimation. A nice, We're really sorry letter, a fee and a "we agree these VA's suck" and we'll give you their communications on agreement no further action can be addressed could be a way of unloading this mess going into a Sony buyout.
Why do people keep repeating this day before shit, thats not true, he got slapped down years before.
 
I think everyone agrees that was sloppy but texas caselaw has a strong suggestion that the 2aP should have been allowed and he did not need leave of the court to have it considered because a TCPA hearing is not a trial.


Why do people keep repeating this day before shit, thats not true, he got slapped down years before.
There is a case for it, which is why I understand how he thought the trap would work. But suggestion is not assured, and he should have made sure the case was strong enough to stand on its own before trying anything funny. He got clever, and it backfired. He sahould have made his case strong enough to stand on its own first, then got clever.
 
There is a case for it, which is why I understand how he thought the trap would work. But suggestion is not assured, and he should have made sure the case was strong enough to stand on its own before trying anything funny. He got clever, and it backfired. He sahould have made his case strong enough to stand on its own first, then got clever.
The suggestion is pretty strong, he absolutely messed up by not having the response in order, but he should have also been able to patch it under the rules.
 
So are we in agreement that defendants should try to settle now because even if Chupp rules in their favor, appeals will send Chupp to the shadow realm and discovery will destroy the 3tards?

They won't because there's no certainty in that and they are probably confident about winning. You're always at some advantage going into an appeal as the prevailing party below.
 
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The suggestion is pretty strong, he absolutely messed up by not having the response in order, but he should have also been able to patch it under the rules.
Nah, I do agree that the suggestion is strong, I can see the logical through line for all his tactics. There is a reason I have never accused him of being incompetent, he is by all means competent.

My point is and remains that he got to focused on his clever tricks that he lost complete sight of what he should have been doing. To use a military metaphor, he saw a point he could charge but completely forgot his flanks.
 
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They should but it would be royally stupid if they did. Why? You don't just "Pearl Harbor" a fucker then beg for forgiveness. Your ass is grass. "I'm Sowery" ain't gonna pay the bills and punitive damages. It's Unconditional Surrender or nothing now. I mean yeah Vic and Ty are VERY willing to settle (back in February) but the Defendants are HELL bent to damage them with impunity. They're willing to absolutely destroy their credit and financial futures to bring a tear to Vic's eye. Mediation is too fucking late. They capitulate to ANY of Vic's demands and they return to their followers ready to tear them limb from limb. Vic is merciful, but they are unapologetic. You don't grant mercy to the unapologetic.

"Do not cast pearls before swine"
If we look at the genesis of this whole affair the defendants, in the beginning, they thought they were dealing with teen agers and kids. Look at their first defensive tweets, homeland security, I am working with the cybercrimes unit etc etc. After the "we'll be in touch" contact the shit got real and it spiraled into the crap tornado it is now. These are people who live and act a fake life for a living (well kinda) and their maturity is stunted to age 14. I was at the hearing and will be attending all the others, Rial looked scared as hell walking in, Soye was hiding down the street, they're in over their heads and filled with a false illusion if they think the mediation order is a win.
 
You and I view that late filing differently. He should have had those affidavits much earlier, he should have had the stronger case much earlier. The only LOGICAL reason he delayed those was to spring them on the defendants. He tried to trap them, and it backfired.
I agree. Filing exactly at the filing deadline is a dirty trick, but it's a familiar one. Where he absolutely fucked up is that his filing was fucking awful, and he didn't even manage to have it in by the deadline.
I think everyone agrees that was sloppy but texas caselaw has a strong suggestion that the 2aP should have been allowed and he did not need leave of the court to have it considered because a TCPA hearing is not a trial.
Evidently the judge didn't agree. And god knows that it's not like he only violated the Rule 11 contract. Including new arguments and new evidence meant that the defense was always going to argue surprise, and Ty certainly didn't convince anybody at the hearing that there wasn't surprise.
 
I agree. Filing exactly at the filing deadline is a dirty trick, but it's a familiar one. Where he absolutely fucked up is that his filing was fucking awful, and he didn't even manage to have it in by the deadline.

Evidently the judge didn't agree. And god knows that it's not like he only violated the Rule 11 contract. Including new arguments and new evidence meant that the defense was always going to argue surprise, and Ty certainly didn't convince anybody at the hearing that there wasn't surprise.
People saying 'the judge didn't agree' is dumb, the caselaw says the judge was wrong, the judge can not agree all he wants on appeal that gets overturned.

If you have caselaw that disagrees, thats fine, but a Judge fucking up caselaw and people going 'WELL THE JUDGE DOESN'T AGREEEEE' just means the judge is fucking up.

I'm not even sure that shit violated the rule 11 agreement.
 
I don't think Chupp buys into the "healing the anime community" nonsense. He's just saying whatever he can to get the parties to settle, so the appeals court doesn't sodomise him.

The appeals court is going to run a train on him. Unless, of course, all those judges hit the bar the night prior like Chupp probably did.
 
I see no benefit to settling as a result of the mediation. I see reasons to before (cut costs that said mediation would bring), but during/after? You wait on the TCPA's result.

Marchii wins? She's out, doesn't nees to settle, gets reasonable fees awarded to her. When the appeal starts, she can now consider settling.

Marchi stays? Now's the tine to consider settling.

MoRon? Not even an option I'd consider. They're so far in trying to ruin Vic that setting would be admitting wrongdoings, and I fear it's beyond their capabilities. Especially Ron, who has been found to be abusive towards his Ex, and tweets towards Vic appears to retain the appearance of an abuser attempting to abuse a person weaker(heh) tham him. Strong language, threats, insults, etc. That's not the mentality of someone who can admit his wrongdoings (especially when you knwo he supposedly went in therapy for that).

Funimation? If after the TCPA they're still in, they will more than likely settle.

At least, those are my predictions.

Vic will want settlement. But not at any cost...
 
People saying 'the judge didn't agree' is dumb, the caselaw says the judge was wrong, the judge can not agree all he wants on appeal that gets overturned.

If you have caselaw that disagrees, thats fine, but a Judge fucking up caselaw and people going 'WELL THE JUDGE DOESN'T AGREEEEE' just means the judge is fucking up.

I'm not even sure that shit violated the rule 11 agreement.
Not even getting into the bit where judges have vast discretion as to what to admit, can you actually show that caselaw? Because you keep screeching about "the caselaw" and now I'm curious as to what it actually has to say.

And yes, it totally violated the Rule 11 agreement. The agreement was a 30 day extension to file, and a 7 day window after that for defendants to respond before the hearing.
 
I see no benefit to settling as a result of the mediation. I see reasons to before (cut costs that said mediation would bring), but during/after? You wait on the TCPA's result.

Marchii wins? She's out, doesn't nees to settle, gets reasonable fees awarded to her. When the appeal starts, she can now consider settling.

Marchi stays? Now's the tine to consider settling.

MoRon? Not even an option I'd consider. They're so far in trying to ruin Vic that setting would be admitting wrongdoings, and I fear it's beyond their capabilities. Especially Ron, who has been found to be abusive towards his Ex, and tweets towards Vic appears to retain the appearance of an abuser attempting to abuse a person weaker(heh) tham him. Strong language, threats, insults, etc. That's not the mentality of someone who can admit his wrongdoings (especially when you knwo he supposedly went in therapy for that).

Funimation? If after the TCPA they're still in, they will more than likely settle.

At least, those are my predictions.

Vic will want settlement. But not at any cost...
mostly agree except for on Funi's part. We know THEY think "lol we get out of this lolol" but realistically with the Judge ordering mediation they SHOULD think "Fuck we MIGHT NOT be out on everything let's cut our losses here and settle" because they can get out right now real easy and even be looked at as the good guys by many.
 
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mostly agree except for on Funi's part. We know THEY think "lol we get out of this lolol" but realistically with the Judge ordering mediation they SHOULD think "Fuck we MIGHT NOT be out on everything let's cut our losses here and settle" because they can get out right now real easy and even be looked at as the good guys by many.
Agree. It's either now, or after the TCPA gets rules on. I don't think that the mediator will be able to convince anyone by it's meeting. But it might push Funi after the TCPA drops.
 
If we look at the genesis of this whole affair the defendants, in the beginning, they thought they were dealing with teen agers and kids. Look at their first defensive tweets, homeland security, I am working with the cybercrimes unit etc etc. After the "we'll be in touch" contact the shit got real and it spiraled into the crap tornado it is now. These are people who live and act a fake life for a living (well kinda) and their maturity is stunted to age 14. I was at the hearing and will be attending all the others, Rial looked scared as hell walking in, Soye was hiding down the street, they're in over their heads and filled with a false illusion if they think the mediation order is a win.

They have made it this far and all of it would have been resolved with a simple retraction. They chose to fight so they deserve to be scared as hell. Prudence dictates they continue on this charade due to their image. If Rial is true about her rape during her teen years then it makes even more sense. She's damaged goods who tried to veil her damage with makeup and false smiles. Add the fact she's the fiance of a known domestic abuser and it all clicks. She's projecting her "rapist" onto Vic because she sensed weakness in his piety. She wouldn't DARE go after her real rapist because she's scared as shit to, if he exists. If it wasn't for Nick, Vic would have been destroyed. The bitch nearly got away with it. All it took was a fucking hashtag from a eldritch abomination of swastika arms. The worst part of all is it ALL sounds premeditated. She was just looking for a good window to strike.
 
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Not even getting into the bit where judges have vast discretion as to what to admit, can you actually show that caselaw? Because you keep screeching about "the caselaw" and now I'm curious as to what it actually has to say.

And yes, it totally violated the Rule 11 agreement. The agreement was a 30 day extension to file, and a 7 day window after that for defendants to respond before the hearing.
There's nothing in that rule 11 about amending pleadings.

Rule 63 basically says that you can file amendments freely except when it comes to trial. TCPA is not a trial. There's a squiggly bit in the middle of rule 63 that suggests that filings can be tossed if they surprise a party, but reading it in concert with related rules (66, and 166) suggests that that really only means amendments within 7 days at trial. Tossing an amended pleading for 'surprise' also requires some showing of surprise, which I don't think was really a thing. Almost nothing new was in the 2ap

Regardless Chupp allowed the affidavits.

Caselaw on rule 63 suggests its VERY permissive, so absent a trial date I think amended pleadings pretty much have to be accepted in texas.

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"We hold the same to be true under rule 63's requirement that leave of court be obtained before amended pleadings can be filed within seven days of trial or thereafter. The rule applies in instances where there is a trial on the merits of the case. It does not apply in the instance of a hearing on a plea to the jurisdiction, as such is preliminary to a trial on the merits. Therefore, we will consider appellant's amended pleadings as the "live" pleadings in this appeal. "

This has a STRONG suggestion that any hearing that is preliminary of a trial on the merits is permissible for the plaintiff to amend their petition as they please.
 
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There's nothing in that rule 11 about amending pleadings.

Rule 63 basically says that you can file amendments freely except when it comes to trial. TCPA is not a trial. There's a squiggly bit in the middle of rule 63 that suggests that filings can be tossed if they surprise a party, but reading it in concert with related rules (66, and 166) suggests that that really only means amendments within 7 days at trial. Tossing an amended pleading for 'surprise' also requires some showing of surprise, which I don't think was really a thing. Almost nothing new was in the 2ap

Regardless Chupp allowed the affidavits.

Caselaw on rule 63 suggests its VERY permissive, so absent a trial date I think amended pleadings pretty much have to be accepted in texas.

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"We hold the same to be true under rule 63's requirement that leave of court be obtained before amended pleadings can be filed within seven days of trial or thereafter. The rule applies in instances where there is a trial on the merits of the case. It does not apply in the instance of a hearing on a plea to the jurisdiction, as such is preliminary to a trial on the merits. Therefore, we will consider appellant's amended pleadings as the "live" pleadings in this appeal. "

This has a STRONG suggestion that any hearing that is preliminary of a trial on the merits is permissible for the plaintiff to amend their petition as they please.
Rule 63 of the Texas Code of Civil Procedure allows you to amend your pleadings so long as they are not amended within seven days of the trial date, as you stated. However, the case you cited implies the opposite of what you are saying it does.

It explicitly states that "[t]he rule applies in instances where there is a trial on the merits of the case." The next line states that it does not apply to a "hearing on a plea to the jurisdiction." The TCPA hearing is not a hearing about jurisdiction. It is a hearing on the whether the case has enough merits to go to an actual trial (or at least go to the summary judgment phase). Courts have repeatedly held that these summary judgment hearings (including TCPA hearings) count as a trial for the purposes of Rule 63.
 
Nigger are you seriously still arguing? I'm not telling you to admit defeat but you really should stop.
We spent 5 or so pages trying to get it to read. It never learned how to, but it just keeps on going. It like an autism power energizer bunny.

TCPA hearings are also not trials, since they don't have a jury btw.
 
Well...no. What fucked his end of the hearing was three things. First, the 8/30 Filing, which was awful and late and entirely his fault. Second, the way he tried to get around how much of a shitheap that was by filing the 2aP. Third, he didn't prepare for the possibility that the 2aP would get struck, and then he got stuck trying to argue his shitass 8/30 filing, what with its lack of clear and convincing evidence and missing arguments.

That's not gaming and Machiavellian plans. That's laziness and incompetence.

You’ve already been told that wouldn’t matter jack shit to the COA and here you are back at it again with the same bullshit
Are you one of the faggots also telling nick he’s “moving the goalposts” for telling you your retarded argument is wrong about how much Vic will have to put up for appeals too? Cuz correcting your stupidity isn’t moving a goal post FYI.

There is a case for it, which is why I understand how he thought the trap would work. But suggestion is not assured, and he should have made sure the case was strong enough to stand on its own before trying anything funny. He got clever, and it backfired. He sahould have made his case strong enough to stand on its own first, then got clever.

It was strong enough, that’s why it’s a strong appeal point he can use as leverage


Evidently the judge didn't agree. And god knows that it's not like he only violated the Rule 11 contract. Including new arguments and new evidence meant that the defense was always going to argue surprise, and Ty certainly didn't convince anybody at the hearing that there wasn't surprise.

Where’s the burden though? Cuz the bullshit volney pulled about violating rules that are meant for trial and not TCPA isn’t going to be sufficient burden, if anything that’s an actual sanction if the COA finds he misled the court intentionally.

Yet again the bullshit about the rule 11 agreement won’t hold water at COA either, so no matter how much you keep saying the 2aP is dead you already know that’s not gonna fly at COA. Shut up about it already or wait for you to be magically correct at the COA level if that’s still your only argument.

“OMG the judge can use discretion the law doesn’t matter”
That would be something people here would buy if it wasn’t for the fact el chuppo couldn’t even reassure Marchis counsel that his ruling was going to hold at COA.

That seriously sounds like a judge that is 100% correct and confident in the law and rules to you? :story:
 
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