Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Manwithn0n0men]

JJ Abrams is a parasite with no creative vision who is only interested in accumulating wealth and power in Hollywood. Kathleen Kennedy is a menace, to be sure, but don't be naive when it comes to Abrams' motives.



They said the same thing about Game of Thrones. It wasn't true then and its not true now. Nobody's wasting hundreds of thousands of dollars and everybody's time filming alternate endings to throw off leakers. At most, Lucasfilm has insiders leaking fake spoilers to muddy the waters, which is why you should be wary of any leak which exists to "set the record straight."

"If" what my guy told me holds up its 3 sets of 3 alternate scenes. Which can be swapped out without changing the plot but they change the context of the movie substantially"

 

[PeeveTheSheev]

A rogue former Lucasfilm employee went to Reddit and spilled the beans about the internal politics.

Hmm, an elaborate post by an insider absolving Our Lord and Saviour JJ 'What's in the box' Abrams of any blame....

I wonder who could be behind this post.... but I've got two suspects both with about 50% probability

 

[CheezzyMach]

That tell all pretty much says to me that if IX bombs KK's getting shitcanned.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

You know, with all the executive meddling, the "story group", the Holocron or whatever they call their story bible, and all the continuity, as far as I can tell, being micromanaged as if it were actual university-level history books, it looks like it would be a nightmare to write for Star Wars.

That's why I suspect everyone just wants to branch out and do new characters instead of bothering with the skywalker mess.

All I am saying is, Lucas had no idea of how lucky he was with having a high profile universe and being able to just be creative without suits or pedantic nerds getting in the way. Pretty much every high profile franchise is controlled by a group which is only interested in squeezing as much money as possible.

I can only think of J.k Rowling as someone that created a money printing pop culture icon and didn't give up full control, and ownership to a multimillion-dollar dollar company. And Lucas did it willingly. I feel bad for him for doing this tremendously bad choice. And that's even before getting into the current mess we are with the sequels.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

The tell-all tale of "JJ did nothing wrong" is suspicious af, but still interesting for some of the background shenanigans... but I take it with a grain of salt.

Now, what's up with Snoke? I have a hunch they'll retcon him in IX, so I want to see what news we got today...

Tolkien is not perfect. He has his weird "I like this, and you'd better too" quirks. You can level a lot of criticisms against his stories.
There is one you cannot.
No one will ever be able to justifiably call Tolkien "lazy", a charge that most of his detractors are very, very guilty of.

Since a few people have criticised Tolkien for being a drag at times or boring to read when he goes into pointless details, I want to present the counterpoint that when I re-read the books a coupl years ago, at no point was I ever bored by anything.
Granted, when I first read them, I wanted to skip the talky bits to get to the epic fights (that never came), but once my tastes in literature had matured away from mere hack and slash, I found the whole book a lot more compelling and thoroughly entertaining... I was actually looking forward to those parts, since I really liked, how they flesh out the setting...
Of course, I'm not saying "If you dislike it, your tastes are immature", it's just that my personal tastes evolved in such a manner that I personnally enjoyed Tolkien's writing once I grew older. I just want to highlight that while there's people who justifiably are annoyed by Tolkien's writing style in some parts, there's people like me who just happen to have a taste for such a style - just to serve as a counterpoint to the already stated opinions.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Is anybody excited for this game? I remember seeing it got some positive press around the E3 reveal, but to me the gameplay looked boring as all fuck and should've been considered generic a decade ago. Everything else they have shown is 90% cut-scenes.and scripted sequences.

So yeah, this is probably an employee of either LFL or Bad Robot who's throwing everyone else under the bus for JJ.

I'm going with the second half, as i can't understand what this guy is trying to say with JJ's cock and balls in his mouth. It reeks of a desperate marketing push to hype his return and """saving""" the franchise.

 

[vertexwindi]

I'm going with the second half, as i can't understand what this guy is trying to say with JJ's cock and balls in his mouth. It reeks of a desperate marketing push to hype his return and """saving""" the franchise.

I dunno, would they really throw Rian underneath the bus? That'd mean they admit to fucking up, and I don't think Disney is possible of doing that.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I dunno, would they really throw Rian underneath the bus? That'd mean they admit to fucking up, and I don't think Disney is possible of doing that.

Well, they wouldn't be throwing him under the bus *officially*, so there's that. If they are every bit as unpleased with mopping up that fool's mess as they should be, then this would be a neat way to hype up JJ without *officially* throwing Ruin to the hounds.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Greedy CEO, incompetent chairman, and two hack filmmakers.

Who’s the worst?

 

[Tookie]

According to what I just found out, the reason they look so weird is because EA wanted the characters faces to be modeled after their actors... Would explain the horrifying uncanny valley effect. But I looked up the actors and they aren't even ugly, they just exaggerated their worst traits and uglie'd them out like they did Kelly M. Tran. Does Disney want all their new talent to look ugly now?

In fairness to Disney, that may be more EA's doing.

 

[Comicsgeist]

You know, with all the executive meddling, the "story group", the Holocron or whatever they call their story bible, and all the continuity, as far as I can tell, being micromanaged as if it were actual university-level history books, it looks like it would be a nightmare to write for Star Wars.

Oh you can feel the narrative crafting going on. Disney are good at one thing at least. Marketing.
First you have them handing angry fans a 'win' with the tacit admission that they done fucked up through Eiger's apology to George Lucas in his biography. This was carefully crafted in my opinion to placate pissed off fans and soften them up.
Then came the charm offensive. Look we brought back all your favorite characters! You like Kevin Feige and those Marvel movies don't you? Hey, he's doing a Starwars movie! Add a few rumors that George's ideas are back in play of Episode 9 and anonymous 'leaks' suggesting that even if JJ is directing, he dindonuffin'! The fuckups were everybody else's fault. ......and it all adds up to a carefully crafted, multi-platform marketing strategy to con the fans who've walked away into forgiving Disney and going to see their latest shitty offence to Starwars this Christmas.

That's why I suspect everyone just wants to branch out and do new characters instead of bothering with the skywalker mess.

All I am saying is, Lucas had no idea of how lucky he was with having a high profile universe and being able to just be creative without suits or pedantic nerds getting in the way. Pretty much every high profile franchise is controlled by a group which is only interested in squeezing as much money as possible.

I can only think of J.k Rowling as someone that created a money printing pop culture icon and didn't give up full control, and ownership to a mult-imillion dollar dollar company. And Lucas did it willingly. I feel bad for him for doing this tremendously bad choice. And that's even before getting into the current mess we are with the sequels.

Disney from the start wanted Starwars to be akin to the MCU, it's own universe rather then the self contained story of one family, the Skywalkers. You can see this in the sheer number of mystery boxes that J.J. tossed into the air in TFA.
"That's a story for another time.."
No, arsehole-faced yellow Yoda, how Luke's lightsaber ended up in your possesion is a story for right fucking now, because this is the point in the story that your main character receives a revelation or learns something that shapes both the character and the plot. You know, like when Ben hands Luke his fathers lightsaber?
Did this happen because of bad writing, or was it just another thread for a never ending series of movies and spin-offs? It seems to me that a lot of plot threads were set up and no clear outline for a trilogy written because the series was never going to end at 9.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

Oh you can feel the narrative crafting going on. seems to me that a lot of plot threads were set up and no clear outline for a trilogy...

Mmm there seem to be a misunderstanding.

To clarify I am not saying they planned the story. Which something I’ve been critical too. I am saying creativity is mostly dead under Disney.

Being controlling =\= planned.

I am saying that with all the executive meddling and micromanaging it seems like it would be a nightmare to try to be creative under Disney. And Lucas made a huge mistake by giving all that creative freedom.

Take for instance the solo directors that got fired... only to win an Oscar.

Not to mention dealing with the “story group” which must be as annoying as editing an article on a wiki that someone decided to claim as theirs...

 

[Antipathy]

The fact that it's been less than a day and we've already discarded that notice as anything but a psyop by some undercover Disney branch is honestly rather indicative of our trust in the brand by now. I totally think this is a deepfake, since it's all "JJ is amazing and a True Fan™ of Star Wars™" it focuses on the popular aspect of "Rian Jonson is a shithead", which is true, but JJ created Rey Sue, so honestly, at least some of the blame lies on his shoulders. Considering his record with Star Trek and Lost, I don't think he's some innocent, and I don't think he's a True Fan™ of anything except the almighty dollar.

I agree with Comicsgeist: the Star Wars sequels were never to end at 9. That's why VII's such a reboot, they'd have a totally blank slate to work with on building their nu-Wars, to construct a post-war after they did the war again. Disney's greedy and arrogant, but there was thought put into at least the opening moves here. They wanted to make their own, new Star Wars. The EU was tossed, and they got JJ up because he always makes a big first movie with tons of boxes of PLOT to open later. They thought they'd sucker in the veterans with blatant aping of the OT, and bring in the 'new woke crowd' with Rey Sue's total Suehood, and they'd add in a total 'shock' and placate Harrison Ford by axing Han. Then they were set to their next step: quietly discarding JJ and tossing some young, new director in to try and start making the opening of a quadrilogy at the least. Unfortunately for them Rian shit the bed and they went into damage control after their second spin-off (with its own sequel tease, you know they'd have made Solo 2 by now if it wasn't such a monster). So in desperation they grabbed JJ back and are hoping they'll be able to take the fans back with Palpatine and this deluge of memberberries, while still setting up enough stuff to perpetuate the franchise.

Had they succeeded, Disney could have gone two ways with their films: either made a Prequel trilogy to the Sequels, or gone further down their timeline. I think they would have done both and marched the setting until everyone was dead and dust, constantly spinning off new things. The MCU was probably never meant to end, but with Thanos and Iron Man gone there really isn't anywhere for it to go. Feige now was tossed into SW to try and recreate some of the money of the MCU, but by this point, the goodwill is gone and man behind the curtain's been revealed.

The TL;DR of this is that JJ's return is a desperation tactic, Feige's involvement is another, and they're doing their damned best to try and at least keep the Fandom Menace at bay for three months or so.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

On the risk of repeating myself, I will say this again, before the dog pile begins.

I am not saying Disney planned the trilogy.

I was just lamenting how lucky Lucas was with having creative freedom and rare it is, and now how now he regrets giving it away.

At this point I don’t think you can write, say a Darth Vader comic, withou having to deal with the “story group”, executives and marketing departments, and the story bible they have

Think of the MCU. They owe a big deal to to Ditko, Lee and Jack Kirby ( among others). Yet it’s not their states who is getting rich of that creativity. Nor they ever had a say on how their creations were used even when they were alive.

The ability of just being creative with your own creations is getting rarer each day, with more creators selling out, often by necessity, to a big corporation like Disney.

Say, Sponge Bob earned billions, you can bet Stephen Hillenburg never saw even 1/4 of it.

Lucas was more lucky than he realized.

 

[Creep3r]

I read through that "tell-all", and let me tell you, it's setting off my bullshit alarm bells all over. It reads like a thinly veiled puff piece for JJ of all people, and has a quite few "yeah this sounds like its pandering to internet preconceptions" LARP warning.

Now, it's possible that it's very true, since it's actually quite hard to fake the imgur evidence like that without some serious prep. But I feel that, if so, then a lot of it might just be truth mixed in with a few convenient lies of omission to make JJ look better than he actually is.

Hmm, an elaborate post by an insider absolving Our Lord and Saviour JJ 'What's in the box' Abrams of any blame....

I wonder who could be behind this post.... but I've got two suspects both with about 50% probability
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While it pretty much confirms Iger and Kennedy are legit idiots, this was nothing but JJ shilling. Sure he’s probably nice, but he had way more skewed priorities with the franchise than people are realizing.

I mean, the dude wanted to do his own thing when he got hired and gave weak set ups in TFA, which is why Rian proceed to ignore them.

Hence my point. The guy seems legit in his commentary about Kennedy, Iger and the rest, but its clearly JJ shilling, and his defense of IX doesn't seem to be for the sake of SW or Disney, but simply for JJ. Which makes me believe that he is in fact telling the truth about the others except JJ to save JJ's reputation, which makes me suspect that this guy is a LFL/Bat Robot employee and/or possibly JJ himself, JJ's wife, JJ's son or someone incredibly close to him who would be willing to take such a risk to badmouth JJ's superiors just to save JJ's sorry ass. So again, the JJ parts scream obvious bullshit, but the fact that someone in LFL and possibly JJ or someone connected to him went out of their way to do this just to save JJ's ass confirms, at least for me, that the rumors and gossip about tons of internal drama going on within Lucasfilm/Disney are true, especially if someone who is basically JJ's right hand was willing to throw everyone else under the bus just to save his own ass. For me, this also cements that JJ is almost as much of a slimy ass as the rest of his cohorts at Disney. I honestly hope someone is able to identify who the director "employee" is eventually since it will naturally result in all sorts of crazy and hilarious drama and even more infighting between Bad Robot, Lucasfilm and Disney. And we know this could be a Bad Robot employee or JJ himself too since they got the exclusive employee IX jacket and bag too. Only thing that we know for certain about him is that he has pale caucasoid skin, his hands are bigger than the little IX logo on the jacket and he owns a really crumpled employee IX bag.

Not many have a bag as crumpled as his...

Has anyone seen JJ's bag?

Anyway I'll do the info dumps in a bit.

 

[HeyYou]

Which makes me believe that he is in fact telling the truth about the others except JJ to save JJ's reputation, which makes me suspect that this guy is a LFL/Bat Robot employee and/or possibly JJ himself, JJ's wife, JJ's son or someone incredibly close to him who would be willing to take such a risk to badmouth JJ's superiors just to save JJ's sorry ass.

The JJ shilling does throw it off. If it was a fake disgruntled LF worker, they'd throw everyone under the bus, JJ included. I really think the entire thing is faked, though, as it goes a bit too far in claiming that it's a mess behind the scenes by having a spat between Iger and Kennedy over their golden boys.

 

[Creep3r]

The JJ shilling does throw it off. If it was a fake disgruntled LF worker, they'd throw everyone under the bus, JJ included. I really think the entire thing is faked, though, as it goes a bit too far in claiming that it's a mess behind the scenes by having a spat between Iger and Kennedy over their golden boys.

I wouldn't say its a "disgruntled" LF worker, he's doing this for a reason and he has the proof to back up his status, but his motivation and his spin are obviously sketchy. The real interesting thing is that someone wanted- no, NEEDED him to do this out of desperation to save someone's image. This basically shows that Lucasfilm/Bad Robot are in a mess and are willing to do this kind of bullshit tactic to try and appease people by throwing each other under the bus to save their own skin, like not-JJ just did to save JJ's ass. This also seems to suggest that Lucasfilm may really be behind the fake leaks going around online and causing drama to see what works and doesn't work. And if JJ or someone close to him was willing to do this kind of shit while throwing his superiors at the sacrificial alter, it shows that there's little love between them. And this may show that JJ or at least those closest to him may actually be worse than Kennedy. So maybe it is a bullshit sob story and its all faked, but this definitely came from someone inside LF/Disney/Bad Robot and to do something as stupid as this for pity points is nothing short of pathetic on their part to try and salvage their craptastic film.

Also this:

Oh you can feel the narrative crafting going on. Disney are good at one thing at least. Marketing.
First you have them handing angry fans a 'win' with the tacit admission that they done fucked up through Eiger's apology to George Lucas in his biography. This was carefully crafted in my opinion to placate pissed off fans and soften them up.
Then came the charm offensive. Look we brought back all your favorite characters! You like Kevin Feige and those Marvel movies don't you? Hey, he's doing a Starwars movie! Add a few rumors that George's ideas are back in play of Episode 9 and anonymous 'leaks' suggesting that even if JJ is directing, he dindonuffin'! The fuckups were everybody else's fault. ......and it all adds up to a carefully crafted, multi-platform marketing strategy to con the fans who've walked away into forgiving Disney and going to see their latest shitty offence to Starwars this Christmas.

Disney-Lucasfilm is full on desperate if they're pulling this kind of shit and are pulling every single stop to try and salvage IX before its even out.

 

[ZMOT]

I do wonder how much of this is growing pains of new technology and not necessarily politically motivated.

The faces in some recent Capcom games look a little weird for example and that's definitely not thanks to SJWs.

it's trying to go with full realism while making a game run on a console from 2013. throw in crappy devs like bioware and you got the perfect mix.
usually you go with the tools and target system you have, in cases like this it's the other way around. for example, lightning makes a huge difference (just look at the average photoshoot), but that's costly in terms of performance. but even then nip devs don't seem to have this problem or only to a lesser extent.

 

[Adamska]

I fully believe JJ did this via some help from some intermediaries, because I've seen similar BS tactics on his other turd movies and projects of his that were used to save his reputation. Remember how he threw Lindelof under the bus when he fucked up Lost? Howabout Kurtzman and Orsi for things like Into Darkness?

I sure as shit 'member. Sure, both people I listed suck shit, but JJ hired them for the task. JJ directed them and used their product and ideas. JJ is the mong that focuses on style and doesn't give a shit about writing the solution to any plot hole he shits out. Ergo, JJ is to blame, no matter how hard that weasel denies it.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Since he can't let his TCW characters go, he also ruined his waifu. She could have died as a hero in that sith temple but no...

Filoni seems to have attachment issues or separation anxiety when it comes to Ahsoka. Her death at the right time and in the right situation/circumstances could have been powerful. For example, her death at the hands of Count Dooku could have done much more to fuel Anakin's turn to the Dark Side and his desire for revenge in RotS when he executes Dooku at Palpatine's goading.

Instead, Filoni acts as if he has no idea what do next with Ahsoka's character and she ends up being shoehorned into stuff when it might not be the best fit for her. Worse, she's saved in Rebels via the infamous space/time anus yet her ending there remains ambiguous just so Filoni can forcibly insert her in something else if and when he wants. It'd be one thing if she had a role or purpose in future SW events and media, but this feels more like he just cant let go and wants to include her as gratuitously as possible.

Actually that was one of my ideas for Snoke. I sort of envisioned him as an evil version of The Wizard, meaning that he would ultimately revealed to be a fraud. He has no Sith connections or Force powers, but conveys an image of that kind of authority and gets followers to his side through the ruse.

If they started off making him like The Wizard, then they failed to follow that comparison to its natural conclusion by making him a con man.

I actaually like the idea, and I'd probably love it if it was pulled off successfully. Snoke definitely came across as a "literally who?" type of character, let alone a villain. If it was revealed he was actually a nobody that was being manipulated behind the scenes by someone far more powerful (other than Palpatine), that would be a powerful boost to the plot because then the question becomes "If Snoke wasn't the supreme villain, who is, and just how heinous are they?"

Snoke wasn't portrayed as a con man or anything else for that matter apart from being Kylo's supposed dark master and someone (rightfully) fed up with Hux's blundering personality. If Snoke was intended to be a con man or a pawn used by someone else, we certainly never saw it on screen.

Then again, I wasn't paid to write this shit and I think I put more thought into it than the people that did.

in this thread, various random Kiwis have come up with enough material that would make better SW content than everything Disney has given us so far and for the foreseeable future. How telling is it that we could probably cobble together a trillogy out of all of this and have it be much better what Disney has released?