Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Uranus Pink]

I'm guessing it's because he's greedy.
Ethan Van Sciver has said on his comicartistpro secrets channel that he got a cheque for something like 90k because the DCEU movies made a reference to Iron Heights prison, which he created in the comic books.
My guess would be that as the creator of the character, Feloni owns a slice of the IP and gets a fat wad of cash every time the character appears. So of course he's eager for her to be in as much product as possible.

EVS also mentioned in one of his earlier videos he got a nice five figure check for character Atrocitus he co-created appearing in one of the DC fighting games iirc.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I'm guessing it's because he's greedy.
Ethan Van Sciver has said on his comicartistpro secrets channel that he got a cheque for something like 90k because the DCEU movies made a reference to Iron Heights prison, which he created in the comic books.
My guess would be that as the creator of the character, Feloni owns a slice of the IP and gets a fat wad of cash every time the character appears. So of course he's eager for her to be in as much product as possible.

I think this also ties into why Disney pretty much remade A New Hope with The Force Awakens but with a bunch of name changes for otherwise identical characters. Less money to Lucas.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I think this also ties into why Disney pretty much remade A New Hope with The Force Awakens but with a bunch of name changes for otherwise identical characters. Less money to Lucas.

But they also want to tell a "Classic Story" but in a way that appeals to a "new generation" so they will become "Lifetime loyal brand consumers"

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

But they also want to tell a "Classic Story" but in a way that appeals to a "new generation" so they will become "Lifetime loyal brand consumers"

From what I've read of new leaks(from reddit), it sounds like they will appeal to noone...

Movie is sounding like a utterly confused trainwreck, at the moment....

 

[RumblyTumbly]

A friend of mine said before VII came out that he would love to see what Lucas' plan was for the ST just so he could have a good laugh.

Well, here we are at the end and I think we can all agree that Lucas' ideas would have been better because, fuck it, he at least had a plan.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

From what I've read of new leaks(from reddit), it sounds like they will appeal to noone...

Movie is sounding like a utterly confused trainwreck, at the moment....

Yes because you have JJ with ideas , george lucas with ideas (as a consultant), Bob Iger with ideas, KK with ideas, the Lucas story group with ideas, Rian Johnson with ideas , D and D with ideas, Kevin Feige with ideas, John Favreau and Dave Filoni with ideas....and you have to make something to satisfy most of these people

 

[Optimus Prime]

But they also want to tell a "Classic Story" but in a way that appeals to a "new generation" so they will become "Lifetime loyal brand consumers"

I think that's the biggest mistake that many big companies are making - not limited to Disney, but their attempt to make older franchises appeal to a younger generation and losing sight of why these properties were popular to begin with.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I think that's the biggest mistake that many big companies are making - not limited to Disney, but their attempt to make older franchises appeal to a younger generation and losing sight of why these properties were popular to begin with.

FUNDEMENTALS

I mean its true (for stories) very little is new. You just focus on what the fundementals were and change out any that dont work. then fluff it for the n00bs

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

I guess he wants her around in each of his projects because for some reason his furfaggotry isn't enough. We know that 3/4 of the 7th and final season of TCW will be about Ahsoka. People are saying that she might appear in The Mandalorian.

I wouldn't be surprised if she gets a cameo in Resistance's final season just so she can star in the latest animated show and be shown to be living through the ST era.

Appearing in something live action wouldn't surprise me, either, but if it wasn't her voice actress -- Ashley Eckstein -- that portrayed her, I'd expect some fan backlash. To give credit where credit is due, Ahsoka was very popular with younger fans during TCW and many have followed her on-screen life ever since.

With the decision to scrap her relationship with a guy for one with Lesbian speeder babes, however, we now see how eager everyone involved is to use her to tick check boxes and pander to those wanting her to be a lesbian or otherwise part of the LGBTetc alphabet soup ever since the Ahsoka novel came out. Godbear forbid that popular characters can't remain popular unless they're part of the alphabet.

I'm guessing it's because he's greedy.

It's probably a combination of having her appear as much as possible for fan service combined with whatever substantial residuals Filoni gets for her appearances in said media.

I think that's the biggest mistake that many big companies are making - not limited to Disney, but their attempt to make older franchises appeal to a younger generation and losing sight of why these properties were popular to begin with.

There's nothing inherently wrong with appealing to the next generation. However, many companies choose to do so in a way that alienates the old fans instead of choosing to find a middle ground that bridges the generations and keeps the franchise interesting for both old and new fans together.

The same thing has happened with the She-Ra reboot that's also being discussed here. Despite having many of the same characters from the original, they've been remade to be more Tumblr-esque in terms of physical appearances, attractions, and identities that there's very little in common with the original version that old fans would be able to relate to or otherwise enjoy.

Any franchise choosing to ignore the old-school fans that made them popular in the first place can't be too surprised when interest fades, especially if they take it further and shit on the long-times fans and what kept them interested in the franchise.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I mean, yeah, why the fuck would JK outsource fucking up Harry Potter to an outside source when she’s proven perfectly capable of doing it herself?

She is no above doing George Lucas level of mistakes. Fantastic Beasts 2 and the cursed child weren't received that well by the fandom. Not to mention all the things she does on twitter.

Still, that's not my point. I wasn't arguing against delegation but willingly giving up creative freedom to someone that will treat your creations like trash, and Lucas realized too late it was a mistake that now he regrets.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

She is no above doing George Lucas level of mistakes. Fantastic Beasts 2 and the cursed child weren't received that well by the fandom. Not to mention all the things she does on twitter.

Still, that's not my point. I wasn't arguing against delegation but willingly giving up creative freedom to someone that will treat your creatins like trash, and Lucas realized too late it was a mistake that now he regrets.

And when he did the deal he and Bob Iger had a LONG professional working relationship. So when he said "Now I would have to keep creative control george" George viewed it within the broader context of not just THEIR working relationship but how Bob treated Pixar and Marvel (at the time)

 

[Antipathy]

FUNDEMENTALS

I mean its true (for stories) very little is new. You just focus on what the fundementals were and change out any that dont work. then fluff it for the n00bs

In literally every single thing I have ever pursued, no matter WHAT it was or how divorced from my other hobbies or actions it was, the thing I have learned is that the fundamentals are so essential that without them, you will fail every single time, no matter what. Lucasfilm has forgotten the fundamentals of storytelling, and that is the biggest reason they fail. Their ideology just takes a piss on the shit sandwich that is their series, which is broken at the most fundamental and essential level.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

In literally every single thing I have ever pursued, no matter WHAT it was or how divorced from my other hobbies or actions it was, the thing I have learned is that the fundamentals are so essential that without them, you will fail every single time, no matter what. Lucasfilm has forgotten the fundamentals of storytelling, and that is the biggest reason they fail. Their ideology just takes a piss on the shit sandwich that is their series, which is broken at the most fundamental and essential level.

They think stringing along tropes and memberberries is equal to writing a plot. All the funnier that someone like Wendig would whine about Tolkien's plot writing, when current year Star Wars can't even make two consecutive movies follow the same plot, without one wandering off and becoming some weird gambler-heist-movie, without committing to that, either.

 

[ZMOT]

someone (rightfully) fed up with Hux's blundering personality.

while at the same time being in the FO high command, an organization that managed to do what even sheev and vader couldn't.
for me there wasn't anything rightful because he was written as a literal idiot, can't have a villain be competent in [current year] (otoh modern western writing is basically two opposites trying to out-tard each other, so the good guys don't fare much better)

I don't think there will be the raw visceral thrills of driving down the highway with "SNAPE KILLS DUMBLEDORE" in your back window to be found in spoiling this.

because that only works if you have characters people actually care about. in nuwars there is literally no one anyone gives a fuck about and the old cast has either been killed of or degraded already so even a CHEWIE DIES will be perceived more like a mercy killing.

 

[verissimus]

I guess they didn't want to call her a thief, raider or robber...

They could have used Collector or even Treasure-hunter.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

while at the same time being in the FO high command, an organization that managed to do what even sheev and vader couldn't.
for me there wasn't anything rightful because he was written as a literal idiot, can't have a villain be competent in [current year] (otoh modern western writing is basically two opposites trying to out-tard each other, so the good guys don't fare much better)

That's kind of that "string tropes along" thing in motion. Hollywood writers nowadays will type up a plot and get to a point where usually some conflict or problem arises, but their writing is so terrible, they give their characters a lobotomy for a few minutes of screentime, so they do something ungodly stupid, that the writer needs to move the plot along.
You can almost hear the writer mumbling to himself as he continues "This is the point where there's a misunderstanding between the two love interests and the guy will act absolutely ridiculous and stubborn, so I get a good conflict going!"
And annoyingly, this uncharacteristic moment of retardation will be sold off as a character flaw that showcases how DEEP the character is, no matter how unbelievable it is for such a character to act such a way.

 

[Captain Hastings Official]

There's been a bit of discussion about Tolkien's merits, or lack thereof, as a storyteller in this thread. One complaint that occasionally gets leveled at him is that he gets too focused on world-building, that he just vomits up huge masses of explanation about the incredibly detailed world of Middle Earth he's made. But any actual engagement with the text of The Lord of the Rings shows this to be pretty false. By the time he wrote it, he already had several decades of unpublished writings about the First Age under his belt, and had made several lengthy treatments of the 'Great Tales' of Beren & Luthien and the Children of Húrin (including some sadly unfinished versions in verse). But in The Lord of the Rings he shows frankly incredible restraint, just having Aragorn give the briefest summary of the tale of Beren & Luthien, and no more than name-dropping Túrin Turambar. Other stories from the First and Second Ages are treated similarly, only mentioned in passing with no in-depth explanation given. Again, considering that he actually had extremely in-depth explanations for many of these things, the amount of restraint he showed in not blabbing everything out about the awesome world he'd built is frankly amazing.

Similarly, while the 'Star Wars' universe is today famous for the great mass of obsessively documented details built into the EU, the OT, taken by itself, is very restrained and suggestive in its world-building. The 'Galactic Empire' has a 'Senate'? Once upon a time there was a 'Galactic Republic,' 'Jedi Knights,' and some 'Clone Wars'? The Jedi are followers of a 'hokey religion'? Etc., etc. Yes, all of these things have since been explained, but they weren't in those original films. They were just suggested and hinted it.

My point - aside from wanting to talk about Tolkien - is that this seems to be a mistake that was made in the Prequels, and even more so in the Sequels. They look at these incredibly successful stories that appeal to nerds, see that there's giant masses of autistic world-building there behind them, and think that what's appealing is the autistic world-building. So they shoot out huge wads of promotional details with the backstory of this background character or that alien race, make sure the drinks served at their tie-in theme park have a precise in-universe explanation, and so on. But it was never the details that captured the imagination in the classic, really popular stories. The stories came first, and the details only became known (or were made up) once the stories had already won over millions of fans.

 

[Antipathy]

There's been a bit of discussion about Tolkien's merits, or lack thereof, as a storyteller in this thread. One complaint that occasionally gets leveled at him is that he gets too focused on world-building, that he just vomits up huge masses of explanation about the incredibly detailed world of Middle Earth he's made. But any actual engagement with the text of The Lord of the Rings shows this to be pretty false. By the time he wrote it, he already had several decades of unpublished writings about the First Age under his belt, and had made several lengthy treatments of the 'Great Tales' of Beren & Luthien and the Children of Húrin (including some sadly unfinished versions in verse). But in The Lord of the Rings he shows frankly incredible restraint, just having Aragorn give the briefest summary of the tale of Beren & Luthien, and no more than name-dropping Túrin Turambar. Other stories from the First and Second Ages are treated similarly, only mentioned in passing with no in-depth explanation given. Again, considering that he actually had extremely in-depth explanations for many of these things, the amount of restraint he showed in not blabbing everything out about the awesome world he'd built is frankly amazing.

Similarly, while the 'Star Wars' universe is today famous for the great mass of obsessively documented details built into the EU, the OT, taken by itself, is very restrained and suggestive in its world-building. The 'Galactic Empire' has a 'Senate'? Once upon a time there was a 'Galactic Republic,' 'Jedi Knights,' and some 'Clone Wars'? The Jedi are followers of a 'hokey religion'? Etc., etc. Yes, all of these things have since been explained, but they weren't in those original films. They were just suggested and hinted it.

My point - aside from wanting to talk about Tolkien - is that this seems to be a mistake that was made in the Prequels, and even more so in the Sequels. They look at these incredibly successful stories that appeal to nerds, see that there's giant masses of autistic world-building there behind them, and think that what's appealing is the autistic world-building. So they shoot out huge wads of promotional details with the backstory of this background character or that alien race, make sure the drinks served at their tie-in theme park have a precise in-universe explanation, and so on. But it was never the details that captured the imagination in the classic, really popular stories. The stories came first, and the details only became known (or were made up) once the stories had already won over millions of fans.

I think the fundamental difference between Tolkien and Lucas, as compared to Wendig and Galaxy's Edge, is that the extra material is there, but you don't have to see it. Even the Prequels were somewhat subdued in comparison to the ST in how hard it shoved the lore in your face, to say nothing of the OT, which has only sparse references here and there in order to make it feel more like a world.

What's happened with the ST is that this background information isn't isolated from the main story. Instead of being handed a drink with a weird name at a theme park, you're told "THIS IS COCA COLA IT WAS FOUND BY X AT Y AND IS THE BEST Z IN THE GALAXY" and so on and so forth. The material is a nonstop deluge of background fluff with a few pieces of the 'present' thrown in by comparison. Yellow Yoda, for instance, is fucking everywhere at all times and knew Anakin and gave him some shit and is a supersoldier and etc. etc. etc. That would just be horribly Mary Sue if it weren't rubbed in everyone's face at all times. Instead of just being a massive Sue, she's also an insufferable one.

 

[The Nothingness]

Having her survive in Rebels was just terrible, though. She absolutely should have been killed by Vader. It's a poignant and bittersweet ending that she accepts her death if it means that Vader is just a bit closer to redeeming himself, and it's probably one of the only episodes of Rebels that I would say is outright good. That she came back because of time travel bullshit just makes it worse.

Even before the reveal of the space anus, you had this vague scene in the Season 2 finale that implied Ahsoka survived but without explaining how. A logical conclusion could be made that the Sith temple exploding separate her and Vader from the their duel.

 

[HeyYou]

Even before the reveal of the space anus, you had this vague scene in the Season 2 finale implied Ahsoka survived but without explaining how. A logical conclusion could be made that the Sith temple exploding separate her and Vader from the their duel.

I always thought her walking into the temple and disappearing was a good representation of becoming one with the Force, and they didn't want to show a brutal death on screen. I was way too optimistic regarding Filoni and killing people off for good at the time, because I thought the show was about to get way darker like the Clone Wars did.