Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Glad I couldn't help said:
First, the suits in change in Hollywood have gone deep with franchises, trying to bank on the nerd crowd and their autism (cf. the video game industry and the whales). So they make film after film, which will enviably destroy the original's qualities no matter how talented and well-meaning any of the crew actually are (and, of course, they are often not talented or well-meaning). Secondly, the directors and writers are also want to be seen as serious, deep and highly relevant to our era, so often push in a lot of woke SJW ideology into their works, which makes them feel like they are deep intellectuals with new and important to say, all while pushing the same copy-paste ideas that have been around since the 60's and is jarring with the original's established lore and tone.
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M;lking the fandom because they have no other personality than consuming our media was a tactic that worked for a long time. They seem to have finally pushed things to far and the fanbases, finally, aren't having it.



Uranus Pink said:
George Lucas himself got that ball rolling in RotJ with the rebel fleet hilariously outnumbered and yet still win a "knife fight in a phonebooth" brawl against the Imperial fleet. And later the lighting storm in Dark Empire which RotS seems to cribbing from.

Afaik only the Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers, and Exosquad avoided using deus ex machina to defeat the superior villian fleets at the end of their series.
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TBF Lucas at least addressed that. The Star Destroyers were just there to keep the Rebels from escaping, the Death Star 2.0 was supposed to finish them off, because the Empire wanted Luke feeling as much rage as he could watching the Alliance Fleet getting picked off one by one. Ackbar moved the Fleet to be too close to target. Once the Executor and the DS 2.0 went boom, it wouldn't be the only example of a superior force falling apart for want of command.
It also seemed implied to me from the films that the MCCs were superior to ISD, they just didn't have as many of them and could be overwhelmed.

Which is one the things I didn't like from the "special" editions. OG release had them yub-yubbing on Endor, but very easy to imply the Rebels had won the day but a hard fight still awaited them; they were almost assured to prevail now that the evil emperor was gone, but lots of work lay ahead. The special editions showed revolts on other worlds, implying the Empire was completely imploding within hours of Emperor's death.

I mean there are other plot holes - like why the fleet sat and waited for their special forces team instead of immediately trying to punch a hole and get whatever ships they could out of the system (half the imperial navy is there waiting for you, your single company of infantry - that you can't contact - may have some unexpected opposition. You've got a galaxy-sized army, just have storm troopers link arms and form a human chain around the generator) - that I'm willing to over look because 'we're going to wait and hope they don't know about our ground assault force' keeps the action moving.

Also Exosquad was a better show than it had any right to be.
 
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First time a toy of Rey looks like a bigger goblino than Driver

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Notice the gaudy enlarged eyes on R2 and BB8

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I don't get these stupid 'treadspeeders' - one part track, one park repulsorlift. Surely the tread is useful if you had to go up a steep slope, but we see them do nothing of the sort. Definite form over functionality design this

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Pokemonquistador2 said:
Although I do like E;R's stuff too, he doesn't go into as much detail about the SW Sequels as hackfraudmedia does...
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I think E;R said one time that he isn't really a Star Wars fan but as a casual viewer he didn't like what Disney was doing.

Uranus Pink said:
Stargate franchise got ruined by wokeness and anti-U.S. militarism (FU Canada) years before Legend of Korra aired.
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I liked SGU because the production didn't have ties with the Air Force anymore. That allowed them to finally tell a morally grey Stargate world instead of the black and white "USAF good, civilians bad" that plagued SG-1 and Atlantis. The SGU episode "Seizure" couldn't have been made during SG-1 or Atlantis for example, it was a black op mission gone wrong and I bet that the Air Force would've put their veto in the writing room.

CheezzyMach said:
Shitty pop culture flicks aren't killing Western Civilization.
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They're modern myths.
 
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Miller said:
I liked SGU because the production didn't have ties with the Air Force anymore. That allowed them to finally tell a morally grey Stargate world instead of the black and white "USAF good, civilians bad" that plagued SG-1 and Atlantis. The SGU episode "Seizure" couldn't have been made during SG-1 or Atlantis for example, it was a black op mission gone wrong and I bet that the Air Force would've put their veto in the writing room.
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Seeing how the second half of SG-1 and entirely of SG:A with the civilian leadership being frakking retarded in the middle of two existential wars. So U.S. and Russian militaries running the SG programs was vastly better than the multinational multicultural bureaucratic shitshow that came afterward. Still I agree 100% the producers of SG-1 were sucking way too much USAF dick for comfort.

SGU got cancelled way too soon and right after it got good. :'(
 
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The Reaper said:
Has anyone updated the SCP thread on site? Last I checked I don't think it had the 2018 drama and shakeup explained.


I'm trying to justify the Palpatine is Rey's relative issue. Palpatine could just be lying to her. Make her think she's related so she turns because she thinks she should, or maybe Palpatine did weird force ghost stuff with her parents to make her connection to the force stronger. There are a lot of ways it could go that would make that part of the leaks somewhat true.
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If they are refrencing a 'seed' from the saga. It starts from episode 3. The opera scene between Anakin and Palpatine. That implication that Anakin is a product of 'sith alchemy'....

So, so this would be the idea: after the Sith were defeated a melennium before the prequel trilogy. They retreated into the shadows. They had one objective: destroy the Jedi Order. But, their numbers were small. Their plans required deception and a being, powerful enough, to aid them. This powerful weapon would also factor into other plans for them(I have no idea what)..

They implanted a phony myth into Jedi texts about a 'Chosen One' and 'Balance of the Force'. Then, they spent centuries trying to figure out to create a vessel(conjured from the darkside) that would act as a 'sleeper agent' for them. They passed this knowledge down, covertly, by only allowing two Sith to build on this plan(rule of two)....

Finally, Darth Plageius figured out how to manipulate the force to create their herald. Sidious then killed Plageius, impregnated a peasant woman on a backwater.

When pieces were in place, he was easily able to convert his 'sleeper agent'(because of being created from the darkside).

Then his powerful weapon(Vader) was neutered. With no way of exploiting his powerful blood(he didn't know of his children yet), plus needing an inevitable replacement:

Sidious started over with another bloodline at some point(with Sith Alchemy) Then, when the time was right, he would 'pluck from the crop'. But, Luke emerged and Sidious was killed.

The adjacent family(Rey's), lived on, oblivious to this....

Thats pretty much the idea. With some tightening up, and economical dialogue: you can convey this with a scene chewer like McDiarmid.

Grandfather for both Skywalkers/Rey from "a point of view."

Someone brought up Alien 3:

The movie was, actually, pretty damn good with Fincher's original cut. That movie became a mess when the studio recut it, without his supervision. Fincher's cut, still had the glaring 'egg/sulaco' problem, but it developed the prisoners/plot lines. Plus, worked in some really interesting subtext....

To add to the comments on culture:

I don't think the issue are 'pop culture brands' existing. That's not the problem. It's the oversaturation of them. It's infantilizing, too much 'fast food'...

The only 'things' our culture seems to care about(that gains public/media attention); did the gritty, violent character study/social commentary, have to be a fucking 'Joker' movie?

It's perfectly fine, every few years, to revist Star Wars(or insert whatever); but the 'franchise barrage' is exhausting and probably unsustainable.....

This will collapse at some point, I think. But, Star Wars and comic book stuff, will reemerge, hopefully, with more restraint....

Society needs to start taking 'it's thumb out of it's mouth'...
 
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Pokemonquistador2 said:
Korra 2.0. If I disdained that abortion of a series before, I now retroactively hate it with all my guts. Fuck Korra, and fuck JJ for being this much of a hack.

The only good thing to come out of this now is the inevitable E;R hackfraudmedia video and boy that's going to be cathartic.

FTFY.
Although I do like E;R's stuff too, he doesn't go into as much detail about the SW Sequels as hackfraudmedia does...
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E;R hackfraudmedia MauLer. I love the others's content, but in terms of sheer, point by point, line by line annihilation of the films, nothing compares to his utter demolition of TLJ.
Either way, there is going to be a bountiful harvest of reviews. So tell anyone who's curious just to wait for the FREE online reviews made by real fans, they'll get the movie, an analysis of the movie, and they'll get it all for free.
 
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Pixy Misa said:
Thank you for mentioning Korra, I feel like it should be added to the list. I think Korra was the first time I personally noticed a franchise I loved being ruined by going woke/or just simply being bad with it being an inferior successor to Avatar The Last Airbender.

And it's been downhill ever since.
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I think I dodged a landmine then, since I didn't like the setting's change to a more modern one (seeing a modern skyline just killed the magic to me).

As for the downfall of all our IP, this is what happens when you feel the need to flood the markets with shit, do so and scream that you don't need to write a good story, and only aim for billion dollar profits for each movie. We don't have that mid-tier of film anymore where you can take a few risks with new ideas and still potentially hit off well.

It's just microbudget, low budget, and megabudget nowadays.

And honestly, this just reminds me of the end of the studio system more than anything else... that or the Crash of '83 in terms of vidya.
 
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Pokemonquistador2 said:
Korra 2.0. If I disdained that abortion of a series before, I now retroactively hate it with all my guts. Fuck Korra, and fuck JJ for being this much of a hack.

The only good thing to come out of this now is the inevitable E;R hackfraudmedia video and boy that's going to be cathartic.

FTFY.






Although I do like E;R's stuff too, he doesn't go into as much detail about the SW Sequels as hackfraudmedia does...
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I'm sorry for being dumb but I've never seen Korra, Last Airbender was great though, so could you or anyone in this thread tell what makes Ep9 "Korra 2.0"?
I've already seen the leaks so you don't have to explain those to me.
Just where the Korra comparisons are coming from.
 
BR55 said:
I'm sorry for being dumb but I've never seen Korra, Last Airbender was great though, so could you or anyone in this thread tell what makes Ep9 "Korra 2.0"?
I've already seen the leaks so you don't have to explain those to me.
Just where the Korra comparisons are coming from.
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I'd link you E;R teardown of the first season for that, but I can summarise it for you.

You know how Aang spent like 3/4 of the TLA learning how to master the other elements? Korra was able to waterbend, firebend and earthbend at the ripe age of six.
You know how Aang actively needed to deal with his pacifistic ways and how the world don't quite operate by his ideals? Korra remains her bitchy self throughout and gets rewarded for it.
You know how Aang needed to grow and learn throughout the series into his avatar role? Nah, Korra don't need all that. Problems solved themselves for her. She's so right that people would go out of their way to solve her problems for her.

Reminds you of a certain MaRey Sue now, yes?

EDIT: Holy shit, the LoK parallels just got more stark.

Destroy the past? Check. Korra losing all her avatar incarnations BECAUSE REASONS. Also magic spirits that retroactively destroy the mysticism.
Shitty worldbuilding? Hella coincidences? Convenient characters showing up at the right time? Triple check. Everything revolves around Republic City. Everything happens IN Republic City for some reason. Why? Fuck knows why. Nothing outside of Republic City was important to the plot, except maybe that Earth Empire shit.
 
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Kane Lives said:
I'd link you E;R teardown of the first season for that, but I can summarise it for you.

You know how Aang spent like 3/4 of the TLA learning how to master the other elements? Korra was able to waterbend, firebend and earthbend at the ripe age of six.
You know how Aang actively needed to deal with his pacifistic ways and how the world don't quite operate by his ideals? Korra remains her bitchy self throughout and gets rewarded for it.
You know how Aang needed to grow and learn throughout the series into his avatar role? Nah, Korra don't need all that. Problems solved themselves for her. She's so right that people would go out of their way to solve her problems for her.

Reminds you of a certain MaRey Sue now, yes?
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I'm quite hyped for his video about IX if they go the Korra route.
 
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Dr W said:
We're more hyped for the negative reviews than the actual movie.
Holy shit. Just imagine how you'd respond in 2012 if someone told you in seven years you'd be cheering not for Star Wars, but for people who blast it.
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This is just the state of affairs that we're at now, culturally. I've had to learn to de-invest myself from everything I love, and used to love, because I knew that sooner or later, it would be run into the ground and turned into shit...just like all the nice things I grew up with.
 
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