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"maybe I can't give a straight answer, but you're just like Vox haha"
lol okay then.
Debate Alt-Right Retards
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1: Oh no! I accidentally a typo the name of a mass shooter! I am undone!
2: Yes he certainly succeeded in fucking things up a bit. Congratulations. When you're whole goal is to fuck things up, it's not hard to do. He also didn't get his race war or really an kind of increase in ethnic tensions. A bunch of Kiwis kept their guns on the downlow and there was a big Muslim love fest across the country. Oh yeah, everything went according to keikaku. And now he gets to die in prison.
3: I can't buy a machine gun either, and that's been the law for a long time while bump stocks didn't exist until fairly recently. I'm not saying I support those laws, but America is still one of the freest countries on Earth when it comes to private firearm ownership. We also have less federal gun restrictions now than we did in the 90's, which refutes you're whole world concept that change always goes to the left.
Look, you're not American so it's obvious that you can't quite wrap your head around the idea that a big part of American conservatism has always been about smaller government and more individual rights. It's been that way since George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. That's fluctuating constantly and we're certainly doing worse at it now than 200 years ago, but compared to ten years ago, or 20 or 30 years ago, we're not doing too badly.
Meanwhile you're still not promoting any kind of alternative or taking any kind of solid stance because then you'd have to defend it from criticism.
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I didn't claim you getting his name wrong undermined your argument, I just think it's important to remember a hero's name correctly. And I understand the American conservative love affair with small government, I just regard it with contempt. Are you seriously suggesting that American society and the West at large hasn't shifted more in favour of the left than the right over the past 40 years? And your justification for suggesting this is that they haven't managed to take all of your "rights", and haven't managed to get all the changes they want, when the scoreboard quite clearly favours the left?
As for not promoting any kind of alternative:
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Okay, so you're an accelerationist smoothbrain or a shitposter pretending to be one. Either way, you don't have an actual argument against the alt-right fucking things up because the "making things worse for everyone" is a feature, not a bug in your mind. Back to your containment thread.
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Things will get worse no matter what the "Alt-Right" does, pretending otherwise is delusional.
"I can't refute the fact that conservatism is cowardice masquerading as a political principle, so you must be in Atomwaffen"
lmfao you're really struggling
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I'd be struggling if I was actually making an argument instead of taking the piss out of you. Also:
>Posts shitty "READ SIEGE" meme
>I-I'm not Atomwaffen guise!
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I only have to cite a single example to refute your silly Fox News talking points.
Dumb conservatives are literally having the guns that they claim they'd used against government oppression stolen by the pig agents of Trump's government for saying that if attacked by antifa, they'd defend themselves.
Note the most important word in that sentence. 'Claim'. This man was subject to the sort of unconstitutional seizure of firearms that III%ers and dumb conservatives in general claim they would resist with their oh-so-important range plinking guns, and he did nothing. Nothing.
This is something that was not occurring in the 90s under the oh-so-evil Bill Clinton. But conservativism is totally winning guise!!
This dumb conservative will do nothing to the FBI pigs who stole his guns, and neither will any of his dumb conservative buddies, because they are pussies who get off on losing gracefully. Your 'gun rights' mean absolutely nothing if they are only applicable for shooting targets on a range.
Just get that single-shot .22LR already, and save yourself the grief of rationalizing the loss of your right to own an AR that will never be used for what it was intended for over the next few decades.
Compare the superficially 'free' nature of the US in this respect to a serious nation like the Islamic Republic. It is difficult to procure guns because they could be diverted to Mossad/CIA backed terror groups. But no man must live in fear because the well-armed arms of the State are the legitimate expression of the will of the Iranian people, and they will not abuse the citizenry and force them to engage in unnatural acts as the governments in America will. Other governments that represent the people's will in other countries have been able to loosen up restrictions on owning guns after taking power, as happened in Germany in the 30s, because they could trust their relatively homogenous populations. In the case of America, what gun rights remain remain because as Vox (for once) correctly identifies, conservatives are enormous pussies who won't use their guns.
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So you admit you've got no arguments left, okay then
>The only people who read Siege are Atomwaffen
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>Calls Brenton Tarrant a hero
>Says his political alternative is the book Atomwaffen is based off of
>"LoL why would you call me an Atomwaffen member, ridiculous!"
You whine about losing our rights, but you're just another clown who wants a dictatorship that will take away all of everyone's rights because you think you'll be a member of the protected elite who gets their rights generously handed back to them by the dictator (subject to be taken away again at any time for any reason, of course) instead of getting Night of Long Knives'd.
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I'm saying there wasn't an argument to begin with, genius. In my view, "Just burn everything down and kill all the minorities" is not a position worth having an argument about. Have fun being totally irrelevant.
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I don't care about your "rights" and I've made no pretence of caring about them. As for the Atomwaffen accusation and this:
that's simply you attacking strawmen because it's easier than refuting my central premise - conservatism is cowardice and it's conserved nothing.
So because you can't refute that conservatism is ineffective and cowardly, there was never an argument at all (besides the many posts you've made, you know, arguing your case? lmao
Funny, that's exactly what I'd say to a conservative
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The title is wildly inaccurate, really. The idea of a 'alt right' vs. 'conservative' paradigm is ridiculous. Anyone who wouldn't take Stalinism over Ammurrican 'conservatism' is broken in the head.
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Yeah, the title should technically be "practical efficiency vs hurrrrrrrrr muh ryts n smol gubmint"
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It's conserved the central form of the government, the First Amendment, and curtailed Federal overreach, but of course you think that's all bad and doesn't count.
Conservatism has conserved a lot and works as intended in the American political system, but you don't see that because your ideology is completely orthogonal to the basis of the entire American political spectrum at any point in the country's history. You may as well criticize the American conservative movement for not promoting the Rectification of Names in alignment with the Will of Heaven; your axioms and the axioms of the entire American political system are in violent and irreconcilable disagreement.
Man is not an ant and efficiency is not the highest good that can be strived for. The ideal society should not resemble an unthinking machine.
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Alt-right is a reactionary (in multiple senses of the term) thing. The quirk of reactionary movements is that they generally forfeit initiative and are effectively boxed into being "NOT THE OTHER GUY". People don't care what you're not as much as what you are, and finding a coherent statement on what the Alt-right IS is like sticking your head up a hog's ass to find a ham sandwich.
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Tell that to Randy Weaver
Tell that to Tom Metzger
Yeah you're right, it works exactly as intended - it disguises cowardice and inertia as principles, as I've stated.
We're not comparing societies, we're comparing ideologies/methodologies.
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A tragic miscarriage of justice, but tell me: have you ever heard of the "Nirvana fallacy?" Probably not, because fallacies are Jewish/cucked/whatever.
You mean the man so utterly incompetent that he threw out his civil judge because he thought he was a kike only to find out the new judge was a nig, and who openly admitted that he instructed members of his organization to carry out attacks on minorities while on trial for inciting members of his organization to carry out attacks on minorities? I know that you think minorities shouldn't have rights, but trying to ignore the incitement clause is a bitch move.
The freedom of the individual to pursue his own happiness, balanced against the health of the community, is only a false principle if you already take axiomatically that individuals do not matter, which brings us back to orthogonality.
The world your ideology builds is one where men exist to serve the State, which owes them nothing, and the State exists only to be the State. It is an unthinking machine and profoundly antisocial, because Society is a thing that is not the State.
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So, conservatism/'liberalism' (indistinguishable 'ideologies') killed Randy's dog. It murdered his son.
The next day, after a cool off period, conservatism/liberalism murdered Randy's wife.
Ten days later, he was forced to surrender, and subjected to further persecution by conservatism/liberalism.
An actual brave founding-stock American prosecutor attempted to charge the murderer, Lon Horiuchi, for his murder of Randy's wife.
He was unseated by a conservative. The murderer Horiuchi got off scot free. He is believed to have killed again at the siege on the church in Waco.
Please, tell us more about how conservatism is like, 99.9% fine.
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So giving you an example of Federal overreach that conservatism did nothing to prevent is a fallacy? There are plenty more examples of private citizens being harrassed, detained and murdered for their political beliefs, are all of them fallacies too? At least I admit freely that an ideal National Socialist state would crack down with brute force on its enemies, and don't try to dress up politically motivated state violence as a "miscarriage of justice" to try and defend a poorly conceived argument.
His competence is irrelevant, fact of the matter is he was targeted multiple times by the state, as are countless other white advocates, because the views he expresses aren't in line with the government's wishes. So your "First Amendment", in actual reality, is pick-and-choose, according to who submits to the government agenda and who doesn't. And conservatives are fine with that because, as I said, they're cowards who don't want to enact real change - as long as censorship and state harassment aren't on their doorstep they don't actually care about it.
No, in my ideology the State exists to serve the race. That you think this only shows your poor grasp of National Socialism. And that ideal State would conserve more tradition than conservatism has - demonstrably, since as I've shown, the liberties you're afforded are given to you by the government, and it can choose to revoke them and use countless measures, legal or otherwise, as soon as you go against its wishes. This is how America has slid into the drain, because conservatism is incapable of actually conserving anything beyond abstract principles, and even those will be lost as the West declines. As I said before, conservatism is a conciliatory position.
Just as an aside, I find it pretty funny that you've conceded defeat, claimed there never was an argument, and then come back to argue some more, in this supposedly nonexistent argument lol. Seems you're pretty angry that some of us see through the conservative charade, and you can say "b-but muh individual rights" but it doesn't change the fundamental fact that conservatism is cowardice and inertia masquerading as a principle.
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Ashkenazim Jews are our superiors and nothing less than a master race. I've seen many compelling arguments about this on /pol/, and frankly their higher IQs, level of literacy, focus on education, understanding of finance, self sufficiency, and incredible social intelligence and in-group preference are clear and objective proof that they deserve to run the world. Why do people hate them again, besides jealousy?