Tencent (chinese government) political oppression in gaming

Idk how much I'll listen to someone who can't capitalize the letter I when they're writing a post specifically about spelling and grammar, but...


Still interesting.
 
Idk how much I'll listen to someone who can't capitalize the letter I when they're writing a post specifically about spelling and grammar, but...


Still interesting.

Anyone versed in Mandarin will go out of their way to tell you how hellish working with the Chinese will be so I see some truth in it. Bringing attention to the odd/foreign structuring would normally seem odd but it's a very good point - also notice how Blizzard's apology post was published on the 12th; it was still October 11th in California at that time, but it was October 12 in China.

EDIT: Also grabbed an archive of the other tweets for posterity.
 
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Is Tencent just the name of the company or how much they pay their employees hourly as well?


Tencent pays its employees an average of $110,939 a year. Tencent employees with the job title Corporate Controller make the most with an average annual salary of $168,976, while employees with the title Solutions Engineer make the least with an average annual salary of $81,871.
 
People working for the ESL have been told by the CEO that under absolutely no circumstances are they to talk about the Hong Kong protests over fear of making their game “too political... especially on social media”.
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I’d also like to point out that one of their largest sponsors for the league currently just so happens to be Tencent.

Really makes you :thinking:
 
I know that the ESA leak had dox from some Tencent employees. One lives in California.
 
I know that the ESA leak had dox from some Tencent employees. One lives in California.
California has been infested with Chinese commies since forever; Dianne Feinstein even has one working as her driver. The KMT veterans did a good job of making them disappear but they died off so now the reds just buy their way into everything. They are one of the reasons California became a shithole.
 
At least the Chinese are still allowing tits in their games.
Oh wait they're banning those too.

I wonder how that will work out given nearly everything popular has tits.
Like Chinese ripoff, Azur Lane, I haven't actually paid much attention to it's official content but
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MANY SUCH EXAMPLES
But apparently they're going to move to Japan (who already spends more money on their shit than china)
 
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this isnt a "china bad" or "fuck china" thread. It's about trying to highlight corporate hegemony and their practices that are becoming unavoidable.
my main gripe is simply are you a platform, a publisher or a service?
Corporate entities have been keen to enforce "codes of conduct" and the like but the reality is they should be the roads that media travel across not the toll booths that regulate what can be transmitted.
at this point if things continue down the path we're on we will be given prescription media quotas to unlock content we've already paid for.
Just let me fucking play video games and shit post.
 
I'd like to make an addition that while small or even laughable in the West, is big in the East. Tencent manages Dungeon and Fighter aka DFO for us in China and that version is in large part the bread winner for that game, even beating out it's South Korean home. They're the Chinese distributor and money maker for one of the biggest MMO's in the East. That's some shit
 
my main gripe is simply are you a platform, a publisher or a service?
Yeah, I've reached the point where I want this shit to be settled by the courts (at least until the FCC starts actually enforcing the CDA safe harbor requirements or Congress can unfuck itself to pass a law to protect free speech more adequately).

When I say "this shit," I'm referring to the quote above. All three of the above have acted like content curators and guardians of the Moral Good(tm), but they shouldn't be. In the U.S. there are specific legal protections for online providers against criminal and civil liability stemming from the actions of their users under certain conditions. It's in the Communications Decency Act, and it's called the "safe harbor" provision.

What conditions? You can't fucking curate and everybody gets a chance to speak. The whole point of the CDA was to censor people (god dammit), but the silver lining within was that you couldn't be punished for the dumb shit your users say and do if you aren't gatekeeping what people can post.

We don't punish the telephone companies for the things people say over the telephone. Even if they're ordering a hit, or giving advice on how to commit a crime, or describing where the bodies are buried. It's ludicrous to do so, just as it's ludicrous to expect the telecoms to monitor and censor all their customers if they say naughty things. In fact, we'd be outraged if they tried. They have "common carrier" status -- they let everything go through and in return they don't get punished for the sewage.

It's supposed to be the same way for internet companies. "Platforms" are where people go to talk. They're supposedly open for all. Nobody should be banned from them except under extraordinary circumstances. Allow individuals to mute or block others they don't like? Sure. But only for themselves -- people shouldn't get to mute others completely so they can't be heard by anyone else. Bans should be rare -- spamming, and things that actually break the law (child porn, specific death threats, i.e. things the government will act on), but nothing else. In exchange for being required to allow as broad a range of topics as possible, you don't get nailed by the balls if a user misbehaves and gets the law on his ass.

The minute you start curating (a.k.a. censoring) platform content based on your delicate sensibilities ("hate speech," "racism," "sexism," "conservativism," etc.), you're a publisher, and that legal protection should be immediately revoked since you've taken it upon yourself to be responsible for everything everyone posts. If you ban someone for saying "nigger," then surely you should also ban people who post magnet links to TV show torrents and the fact that you didn't is evidence enough to hang you from the rafters when the copyright cartel notices the infringement.

Services (like online games with text or voice chat) should be treated just like platforms, with the proviso that access can be conditional on being a paying customer (i.e. maintaining a subscription for World of Warcraft or Xbox Live) and banning users is acceptable for legitimate service-disrupting activities. But the latter needs careful control: banning someone for DDoS'ing the service or hacking into other accounts is acceptable, but banning someone for shouting "nigger" on voice chat isn't. That's what the mute/block button is for. Everyone has one, so everyone gets to go press it themselves.

Right now there's not much real distinction between "platform," "publisher" and "service." They all curate and ban at will for arbitrary reasons. If the damned FCC or FTC would get off their asses and start actually enforcing the requirements of the CDA's safe harbor provisions, we'd be in better shape. There'd be more focus on teaching users how to sanitize their own feeds and far less focus on banning the undesirables. There'd be a lot more whining too (at least temporarily) from the idiots who love their deplatforming trick, but that salt is always tasty.

I don't really know what Congress could actually do to protect citizens' freedom of speech on these privately-owned "public squares." Not with the "innovation" the U.S. came up with that decided "corporations are people too." It seems like the safe harbor stuff gets about as close as you can to mandating full access for all without running afoul of a corporation's "right" to choose who to do business with and who to refuse. Otherwise you start running into the "bake the cake, bigot!" situation which reminded us that yes, businesses should be able to refuse service in certain circumstances.
 
At least the Chinese are still allowing tits in their games.
Oh wait they're banning those too.

I wonder how that will work out given nearly everything popular has tits.
Like Chinese ripoff, Azur Lane, I haven't actually paid much attention to it's official content but
But apparently they're going to move to Japan (who already spends more money on their shit than china)
It's probably their latest birth control scheme: Can't overbreed if the weebs weren't attracted to women in the first place.
 
Am I the only one who finds it amusing that the largest shareholder in Tencent (30-40%) is Naspers? Naspers as in "Die Nationale Pers Beperkt" of South Africa.

It just cracks me up that this third-rate publishing company originally founded by a bunch of dusty old Boer-Afrikaner nationalists as their propaganda mouthpiece a century ago managed to hit the jackpot and invest big in Tencent before they blew up, to the point that the dollar value on Naspers's share in Tencent now exceeds the rest of the Naspers's assets several times over.
 
At least the Chinese are still allowing tits in their games.
Oh wait they're banning those too.

I wonder how that will work out given nearly everything popular has tits.
Like Chinese ripoff, Azur Lane, I haven't actually paid much attention to it's official content but
But apparently they're going to move to Japan (who already spends more money on their shit than china)

Actually it's very funny; prior to the government cracking down on it, China very clearly understood the power of Waifu, and as the government got more anal-retentive, a lot of works that were originally Chinese are trying to break out of that market.

There's something ironically hilarious about that.
 
Actually it's very funny; prior to the government cracking down on it, China very clearly understood the power of Waifu, and as the government got more anal-retentive, a lot of works that were originally Chinese are trying to break out of that market.

There's something ironically hilarious about that.

I'm just blaming this on Winnie the Poo. Like I've said previously (We should, fuck these rat bastards and their shit, censorious authoritarian culture of hypocrites and liars. They can be racist as they want. But don't you fuck with my freedom), I've hated China for a LONG time. They were censorous of course, but I've never remembered it being this bad before Xi. Its like having a perpetual Boomer for a dictator.
 
I'm just blaming this on Winnie the Poo. Like I've said previously (We should, fuck these rat bastards and their shit, censorious authoritarian culture of hypocrites and liars. They can be racist as they want. But don't you fuck with my freedom), I've hated China for a LONG time. They were censorous of course, but I've never remembered it being this bad before Xi. Its like having a perpetual Boomer for a dictator.
Before Xi Jinping, China was ruled by a ten-man Politburo, with the technocrat-president (usually a Party man with a practical engineering/science background) as just their collective spokesman and PR face.

They had learned from Mao's mistake of centralizing power in the person of an authoritarian dictator with a cult of personality at his back.

Unfortunately, Xi Jinping is a power-hungry, ambitious bastard who wanted to return to the Chinese state to the centralized dictator model so he could be the big man in charge. He's a career politician, not a technocrat like his predecessors, and through his past decade of ruthless political intrigue and scheming, he has basically defanged the formerly all-powerful Politburo and reduced it to a yes-man rubber stamp committee
 
Unfortunately, Xi Jinping is a power-hungry, ambitious bastard who wanted to return to the Chinese state to the centralized dictator model so he could be the big man in charge. He's a career politician, not a technocrat like his predecessors, and through his past decade of ruthless political intrigue and scheming, he has basically defanged the formerly all-powerful Politburo and reduced it to a yes-man rubber stamp committee

Doesn't China have a history of falling apart when one of these big guy type politicians croaks?
 
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Before Xi Jinping, China was ruled by a ten-man Politburo, with the technocrat-president (usually a Party man with a practical engineering/science background) as just their collective spokesman and PR face.

They had learned from Mao's mistake of centralizing power in the person of an authoritarian dictator with a cult of personality at his back.

Unfortunately, Xi Jinping is a power-hungry, ambitious bastard who wanted to return to the Chinese state to the centralized dictator model so he could be the big man in charge. He's a career politician, not a technocrat like his predecessors, and through his past decade of ruthless political intrigue and scheming, he has basically defanged the formerly all-powerful Politburo and reduced it to a yes-man rubber stamp committee

Yeah, I remember that. Which is why I was extremely shocked when he declared himself 'President for Life' and I was like, 'The CCP is ok with this? Wut?' Then I realized he fucking murdered and subdued everyone who could stop him. I don't think its going to end well.

Doesn't China have a history of falling apart when one of these big guy type politicians croaks?

Yes. Especially with Xi who has disappeared all opposition. There's really no successor in place.

There are the same fears about Russia because Putin did the exact same thing. If Putin croaks, Russia basically has a major power vacuum. Only China is way fucking worse because there's really no mechanisms in place to stop a free-fall. At least in a semi-democracy like Russia you have people who can step forward and be voted in. In China, its not really an option as once he dies, its all out chaos as they either reform the system to be back to the way it was or do the whole dictator successor thing, which has never worked for a prosperous nation before ever. The dictator after dictator model is basically just a cascade failure as they rush to kill everyone competent and eventually the country ends up in collapse.
 
Doesn't China have a history of falling apart when one of these big guy type politicians croaks?
It's not exactly a super-dramatic "apres moi, le deluge" situation like with Putin or the OG Louis XIV, but it's a model of government the Chinese should be hesitant to revert to. Historically the competent emperors usually build the empire and fix the damage done by the bad emperors, but after you get an unbroken succession of bad emperors, there's too much damage done to the underlying infrastructure that holds up the economy/society/state, and even a good emperor can't save the situation. Then the dynasty falls, and that's the terrible deluge.

Of course, with the current Chinese model of reckless economic development and concomitant acceleration of societal stresses and strains, it might take just one "bad emperor" to bring the whole thing crashing down. I guess it depends on whether you believe the Chinese economic miracle is built on a foundation of paper houses. If so, then the historical model probably doesn't apply so much, as in the old days the sheer inertia of the extensive Chinese civilizational infrastructure was enough to keep a dynasty going even through a long string of bad emperors.
 
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